the risk of covid-19 are available, including they are beauty particulars and a safe and effective vaccine. that goes back to the gps tracking. now, we all want a vaccine. this ship, all hands on-deck, we're praying for a vaccine. these hospitals being built, brilliant people are working on amazing people we have in this that right now, but anthony country, let not your heart be fauci told us that would be at troubled. laura, have you seen it? it's unbelievable. least 12 months from now, if not >> laura: it's a beautiful thing 18 months. that's how long the process and wonderful people on-deck and it was incredible to see the takes. today, johnson&johnson announced expertise, sean, and the plans for a clinical trial of a patriotism of people who are stepping up and answering the covid-19 vaccine in september. call of duty with optimism and that's when the trial would we've got to keep people hopeful begin. but let me be clear. because this is going to get really hard for a lot of people. if gottlieb's metrics are going we're going to try to speak for to be the ones the white house them tonight. >> sean: the next three to four uses, in thinking about this and weeks will be very hard but if talking to a lot of other really smart people today congress needs to come back into session the pattern holds, and it goes down, but the next three or four like tomorrow, okay? weeks especially because we're if all of our scientific testing more than any other resources are needed to get this country. listen, we're the united states vaccine tested, done, designed, of america, and we will find the and ready to go as soon as

solution as always. >> laura: sean, thanks so much. possible, so we can go back to great show tonight. being a free country, if that's great to see you. the metric, then we all need to >> sean: have a good show. know that now. it's not like at the end of >> laura: i'm laura ingraham. april, we're told another two months. no. if we need to know the hard we're jam packed. in a moment you'll hear from a news, i think people need to nobel prize winning biophysicist know this news tonight. and he's predicting things could get better a lot sooner when it and congress has to be here to help figure this out. comes to the coronavirus's now, americans, i think, are spread. he'll tell us why, and also, extremely understanding. they want to do their part. another coronavirus patient we all do, but, in just talking makes what he says is a miraculous recovery after taking to a lot of folks today from all a drug combination that we've different walks of life, people's patience is not going been telling you about, well, to last forever. two weeks tonight. you can't blame them. we mentioned it for the first they are under an enormous time. amount of stress and they don't he's going to tell his story. you do not want to miss it. plus the coronavirus and our have jobs. congress needs to get involved, response to it are wreaking get actual specific metrics that the administration is using, to havoc on the economy and xra-- determine when we can have our frankly so many people like you. country back. in every one of the states, also joe biden, he continues to prove now under a stay in place order, there should be an urgent how completely ill-equipped he is to be commander-in-chief and meeting of the state legislatures.

the governor should be required especially running things during a crisis and how are churches to explain, in every state in detail, the factual and legal trying to keep the faithful basis for his or her actions. they might be perfectly valid. they might be based on all the engaged? while so many people feel locked down and locked away. perfect projections and data, a special edition of and if the projections are even "seen-unseen" with raymond worse than we thought, we, the arroyo. that's coming up, but first, people, have a right to know. it's only fair. america in shutdown day 14. give us the facts. give us the metrics for i want to start with the raw restarting the country, then we numbers. let's keep it up here, guys. can decide whether they are more than 160,000 americans have tested positive for the achievable in a reasonable coronavirus. amount of time. some people are going to lose that's out of 944,000 who have their homes. been tested just in the last many are going to lose their businesses, and others, they are month. nearly 3,000 people have died. going to lose everything they worked their entire life for. of course, new york is still a they deserve to have a complete hot zone although the state's rate of new infections understanding of the actions being taken by the government. thankfully is beginning to level one of my favorite emails of the day came from an old high school off. it's a very good sign, and we're going to bring you new details friend. i haven't heard from him i don't think in maybe 17 or 18 years. on this as the show continues. now, let's look at the numbers. laura, just as scared as anyone about coronavirus, but we don't could the infections there be have much of a democracy if nearing a peak? every difficult decision is made maybe. let's keep going here.

colorado maybe showing a similar by techcrats and the media and sense of promise. people have no say in the we'll talk about this tonight as matter. i thought a lot about that i well but l.a. and parts of south guess i couldn't blame them. florida are spiking as more are protect your health and that of tested and more are others. wash your hands a lot. hospitalized. those numbers look very use a glove to touch outside disturbing. now, the fda fast track, this is surfaces. socially distance. great news, they fast tract it's appropriate, right thing to do. help those around you who are approval for the emergency use homebound or just depressed. of a drug that we just mentioned there are a lot of lonely people throughout as well. first two weeks ago tonight, to let's also remember that the cable tv audience in the united states. capitalism will and is, frankly, you had never heard of delivering the therapies and we hydroxychloroquine before we hope in the future the cures for mentioned it. this wretched virus. this is terrific news. so let's not kill the free market in the process of killing the virus. >> the pharmaceutical company every time a company closes, the has been working with us very flood gate of anxiety and pain closely, and as alex mentioned a is opened for its workers. little bit, 30 million doses of we want to stay safe and free. the hydroxychloroquine to the and those are my thoughts on the united states government has end of shutdown day 14. been given, and bayers doted --

a nobel prize winning biophysicist is predicting a downturn sooner than most models have predicted. donated some. michael levitt is a physicist at another donated the drug to u.s. stanford and he says there are cleared signs of slowed growth hospitals. >> laura: we have promising news and he joins us tonight from israel. regarding immunity testing as i know it's in the middle of the night there. well which would give us critical information. professor, thank you so much for getting up for this show mainly, who among us won't get tonight. it's so important. covid-19 because of a natural or i want to ask you, what numbers developed immunity to it. are you looking at, and what that's incredible. now, those folks, people who have that immunity could obviously go back to work. that would be good for all of might we be missing in the us. but of course, many of you, and analysis? >> it's great to be on your show. i'm not a television person, so i know you are, because i've heard from you, were crest fallen to hear the president's it was interesting hearing your decision last night to extend introduction. as soon as i get off the line i'm not going to go to sleep, this national shutdown to at least april 30, and virginia i'm going to pick up gottlieb's report. it seems to be filled of a lot governor ralph northam announced of common sense. he's closing down the state also, i would probably agree with every single word you said. until june 10, acknowledging today that this would have a again, common sense. the numbers we use really go devastating impact on the state's economy. he said it will be really hard, back historically to what was available in china at the end of you think?

yes, it is. january. essentially the number of cases really hard. maryland is closed indefinitely. and the number of deaths. governor hogan's stay at home cases are obviously complicated order doesn't specify any end date there so people are wondering when will life ever get back to normal? at the daily briefing today, a because it's very hard -- different from a case in israel few moments stood out. or perhaps italy. >> scott gotley, your former fda cases are not normally defined technically. they are defined by the presence commissioner wrote a road map of the virus on the person who after the recovery virus. gets sick. when we got involved in china on >> president trump: i saw it. >> the road map suggested that the 28th of january, they everybody wear a mask in public. already had a few hundred is that something that the task deaths, so this is really quite force thinks is a good idea? >> president trump: we haven't advanced. we're not doing any modeling. discussed it to that extent but it's certainly we could discuss. we're just looking at the we're not going to be wearing numbers and trying to understand masks forever but it could be what the numbers are telling us. for a short period of time after we get back into gear. >> and professor, how do we judge the seriousness of the >> laura: wait a second. didn't they tell us not to use disease? by the number of positive tests? masks or buy masks? that's a lot of positive tests, that's completely changed. or the seriousness of the i guess we're learning new symptoms of the disease, and things all the time. everyone is going to have to obviously, ultimate death? wear a mask for the foreseeable how do you judge the seriousness

future. of it? we need clear guidelines there. >> i would, again, i'm not a now the former fda commissioner has the president's ear. he's highly respected by many physician, i'm out of medical including dr. anthony fauci. school but i'm not a physician, he sits on a number of big pharma boards, nothing wrong it seems to me one problem with with that, and he works at a the tests, and this is actually very promising think tank the american enterprise in maybe not a problem, is that they are very sensitive, and washington. now, every american especially this means that very small those who are interested in amounts of virus can be making plans for the future, detected. this means that if we look towards the future where the should carefully read what scott virus is more spread, almost gottlieb is advocating vis-a-vis everyone who dies will die with the coronavirus. one of the things he said, he breaks it down into four phases. coronavirus. if you're in a car accident and it's kind of interesting but one they test you, they might find of the things he says, right now coronavirus on you, but you we're in phase one and phase one probably didn't die because of is essentially trying to contain coronavirus. this is an important distinction this, mitigate this, do what that i've been trying to make in we're doing now. phase two would be more stepped israel. up, you know, social distancing, in some ways, although israel is but maybe we could slowly pull back in a few states. we'll see where that goes. very small country -- it also mentions the tracking of u.s. citizens. [inaudible] on this, so i think i would go now, this was actually brought

from, essentially, think the up in the briefing today. where the government, i guess, most important thing is what physicians see, in many ways, would use gps trackers. again, i'm not a physician but from what i've read, symptoms again, this isn't gottlieb's list of proposals to get us back that a patient with symptoms of to normal. what do you think of that? coronavirus have, are fairly gps tracking of u.s. citizens to advanced influenza, and enforce the stay at home or the influenza has been studied a social distancing orders. now, we expected that from great deal by the u.-- u.s. cdc. russia and china. would the united states use those measures? the president, when he responded today said, well, that's pretty some years have bad influenza. severe. but he also said, you know, they essentially, a lot of people get understand he's heard about this the disease. a smaller number show symptoms. report. maybe he's read the report. a smaller number see a physician. a smaller number go to hospital. we all understand, as this is and the smaller number die. going forward, that the president has a lot of and i think those are the balancing. he's getting a lot of input from stages. the trouble is, i think, a lot of people, smart people, and we understand he needs to protect the lives of americans. coronavirus is still new and that strain. doctors don't necessarily realize where things are. we've seen them on television. i think one trouble that i'm

that's real. in many parts of the country, not all parts but many parts, stress, anxiety, the worry, the seeing is that it's really a personal protective gear, some very hard problem. i don't think we should of them still don't have enough, underestimate the problem. i would say this problem is, and some are getting sick say, on a parallel of designing themselves. that's really, really terrifying. can't break the system. nuclear weapons in the second we all get that. world war. and tonight, we also know that the sad thing is, this problem the economic carnage is piling is being solved on the internet, up as well. nothing top secrecy by the now, it's already being felt smartest people in the world. it makes it very, very hashed, coast-to-coast having an impact on working men and women. on the children, the elderly, on media has become -- it's not the at risk and low-income easy to get the ideas across. families, they are especially, especially in harm's way. it's a very tough problem. now, again, gottlieb breaks down all the policies raised are our recovery into those three valid. the trade-off between all these different aspects. phases. i talked about earlier. let me give you an example of a right now we're in phase one. in phase two we would be able to number i asked my friend and get on a modified track. group recently. if a person is hospitalized with phase two have the outbreak under control, could slowly coronavirus, what then, is his start to reopen schools and chance of surviving? businesses. and parks. but would still have to practice is it with influenza, he would have a 90% chance of surviving? some social distancing.

it willing large gatherings, keeping the elderly and that's not actually very good. once you're hospitalized with vulnerable somewhat isolated. now in this phase, test wooing also need to be more routine and influenza, and dealing with widespread than it is today. uknown yeah as a result you have about a 10% chance of not it seems kind of reasonable, but surviving. that's high. who knows how long that would much higher than we're seeing. take. we're testing more than any what is that number for other country in the world now. coronavirus? not by per capital standards but very important, is how important are preexisting conditions? we've just jacked that up. one thing i think -- so these the white house has stepped in. but is this goal to get even to are difficult issues, and they phase two? is it achievable by april 30? are not just decided by experts, is it achievable by june 30? they are decided by common there are a lot of things in sense. we need to have dialogue to this document. so what would it take for distill the common sense from america, you might ask, if phase this. two is not even clear to get >> laura: dr. levitt, we're back to normal life, the life going to try to get you back on you had before all of this? because, these are big issues those days when kids went to and big problems, but we're school and people went to finding that a lot of people, sporting events and weddings, especially in the italian studies, died with coronavirus restaurant and church. but then a lot of the physicians okay. here's during phase three. are saying, we're not even this is from the gottlieb saying necessarily they are digs of it but with it because they recommendations. physical distancing restrictions

and other phase twos mitigating had so many underlying conditions which complicates the analysis. professor levitt, thanks so much for joining us in the middle of the night from israel. we really appreciate it. a week and a half ago jim -- was hospitalized after contracting covid-19. despite the help he got, medical help, his condition only worsened. he thought he was at death's door. then his doctors put him on hydroxychloroquine and erythromycin. he's here tonight to tell us his story. what changed once you got on that drug combination? >> thank you, lara, for having me. i went into the hospital on wednesday, march 18, due to severe -- sudden onset of severe respiratory and cardiac issues. what was interesting is i was being treated over a number of days through -- receiving albuterol as well as a steroid. my condition continued to worsen until saturday. saturday was really the point that changed everything.

that morning i was having severe difficulty breathing. i was gasping for air. i was feeling like i was slowly drowning and i remember at that point thinking, am i going to live to see midnight or the next day? the physician had come in that morning, they did a chest x-ray, and he stated that i had a lot of structural issues going on, in my lungs, including some collapsing. he at that point told me they had pretty much exhausted all options and recommend they bring in an infectious disease physician. that physician arrived shortly after and that's when he recommended trying the hydroxychloroquine as well as the azithromycin. >> laura: jim, your condition turned around completely. you had -- i mean, you described it as a miraculous recovery and yet people are just blowing it off and saying, oh, as if azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine, they are not proven. ja jim, stay right there, we'll bring you back right after the

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you and it worked pretty well, right, jim? >> it sure did. actually within a few hours after receiving the first dose, i had a drastic improvement. my breathing improved significantly. my vitals improved and i felt a hundred times better. i actually had hope at that point. >> laura: jim, what do you say to people who are saying you need a controlled study. it has to go on for some period of time. this is a trump administration, just playing wild west. do you feel that way? >> i've got to say this. it's absolutely ridiculous, and it's worked on me and other people as we've seen around the country and around the world. even the physicians said they were having positive results in china and south korea. but for any person not want this to work simply because president trump mentioned it, it's truly unamerican and they should be ashamed of themselves. this is about saving lives, stopping the suffering and getting through this together as

a nation. covid-19, it's not a partisan issue. >> laura: jim, i could not have said it better myself. i'm so glad, you look great. you look healthy, and thank god for medicine that's been around for 60 or 70 years. we really appreciate you joining us tonight. thanks so much. >> thank you so much. >> laura: texas governor greg abbott mandated a 14-day quarantine for travelers coming from coronavirus hot spots like louisiana, california, and washington. washington state. and this comes as other states crack down on out-of-staters especially those coming from new york. joining me now is texas lieutenant governor dan patrick. dan, what do you think about, i mean, the people who are still saying that drugs that are working right now, they don't work on everybody, especially super, super advanced people but they are working now, are still throwing cold water on therapies

that seem like they could be really promising? >> well, laura, for people who are dying, or in critical condition, and since we don't have a vaccine and since we don't have a cure, compassionate use is the go-to. try. and we pass laws like that in texas and the united states. i don't think should you throw cold water on something that's saved a life. i'm not a doctor or a scientist but i don't think we should just brush it aside, so i think the president is right to say, let's push this out to the best of our ability, and let's face it, some of our trials that we normally go through, a long process with the fda, are happening in real-time to people like jim in the hospital. >> laura: lieutenant governor, the energy industry is hurting. the hospitality and the conference industry. pretty much every industry except groceries and pharmaceutical companies, amazon

is obviously doing really well. but what about your state, as we see the oil prices countri -- d down by saudi arabia and massive loss of jobs. your thoughts? >> we're getting hit with a double hit as is everyone but particularly here in texas. the saudis, we give them military cover. we give them a lot of aid. we give them a lot of support. at the end of the day we're probably the ones that saved them from a lot of people who would like to take them out of power and they need to help us. they need to stop dumping oil on the market. it's not good for texas and it's not good for america so that needs to stop, laura, and i hope the president and this administration will be very clear to saudi arabia, it's the number one thing i hear from every person in the oil industry. saudi arabia needs to stop dumping oil on the markets. otherwise, it only complicates our recovery even more in texas and in america. >> laura: dan, nancy pelosi over

the weekend, after saying party politics shouldn't be involved here, pelosi comes out and says this. watch. >> the president, his denial at the beginning, was deadly. i don't know what the scientists are saying to him. i don't know what the scientists said to him. when did this president know about this and what did he know? as the president -- people are dying. >> what did the president know and when did he know knit it's disgusting, i have no word for nancy pelosi. >> no, she's absolutely shameless, and it's ditti-- disturbing to me. as americans we need to pull together. number one, we need to protect every life and that's been the president's focus and the second thing is we need to get our economy moving as soon as we can. and the left loves to criticize the economy. the media really likes to try to

divide us on that issue but the economy what is the economy? that's people who own a business. that's people who have jab and love going to work. that's a stock market that has retirement for school teachers and everyone else and for young parents -- >> laura: it's everybody's life. >> everybody's life. we can do two things at once. life is most important but we have to get this economy rolling again. i know the president wants to. as i said before, i trust the president. i think he's done a terrific job managing this so far. no one has ever had to take on what he's had to take on literally over 21 days. he's on the right path. he wants to put life first, and then we have to get this economy back together. people in america are born to work, laura. they want to work. they love what they do and we have to get back to work as soon as we can. >> laura: they want safety and freedom. without freedom, safety, you know, for a lot of people, they are saying what does that even

mean anymore? >> laura, thank you. >> laura: you take care. we're crossing over. we'll have you back on next week. millions of americans have lost their -- job because of the coronavirus. how much worse could it get and what could we do to turn things around? steve, numbers today were brutal. we're just beginning to see the real economic carnage from shutting this nation down now for another month, and from what i'm hearing, this could go on until june. the metrics, are they change something are they right? i have no idea, but a lot of people have a lot of questions tonight. your thoughts on where we are, given the numbers that are just rolling in. >> well, laura, we have about 30% of our economy that's virtually shut down right now and that's going to increase as more states, including virginia and maryland, move to a total

lockdown on their economy except for essential businesses. so it's a scary situation. wie never seen anything quite like this before in terms of the economic damage. and one of the points that i've been making, and, by the way, lieutenant governor made a very smart point, that this isn't the economy versus health and safety. we can do both. we can have a functioning economy and use really smart public health measures to try and make sure we don't go into june or july or august with our economy shut down because if that happens, laura, i think you're going to be looking at millions of small businesses failing. you're going to see potentially not three million unemployed as we saw last week but that number could go to 10 to 20 to 30 million. we've never seen that at any other time in this country's history. >> laura: that's a depression. let's be honest about what that is, so when people want to be honest about this horrific virus that we're dealing with and the

numbers, you know, they are horrible, and when they peak or when they don't peak but the numbers here, these are people. these -- these are the lives of small businesses and their employees and their mothers and fathers and kids, and at risk kids who are home, and not able to go to school. i mean, i want -- i'll read this. this is a federal reserve jacks from st. louis. coronavirus -- projection from st. louis. total job loss could total 47 million. the unemployment rate could hit 32%, that's what they are estimating right now based on this shutdown going on until the end of april and perhaps, if we're following some of these new metrics, maybe june or later as you said. maybe the fall. heck, let's call off christmas. >> look, my feeling is, i think the president has made a smart declaration that we've got a date that we want to try to get the economy up and running again. at least in certain places of

the country. you can -- certainly new york city will be shut down for a while given how fast the virus has spread there but there are parts of the country that really are fairly up affected by this and it doesn't make sense to have a universal standard for the whole country. in my estimation, laura, if the president sticks with this april 30 deadline and then we start opening up things i think we can get past this. my worry is that when you start talking about may, june, july, the economic damage cascades at a very fast pace. i talked to an executive from one of the airlines today and they were saying, look, even if we started opening up in may, he said they are not going to have flights full by any time in late fall. so every week that goes by, the damage gets worse. but can i make another point that i think is important. >> real quick. >> we have businesses that are operating. we have fedex. we have tracking companies, we have super markets and it's interesting, they are not seeing

widespread -- the virus because they are taking very sound health measures, even though people are work. why don't we do that? for all businesses? >> laura: steve, i could not agree with you more. keep people safe. a distance. wash hands. face shields, whatever you have to do. but try to keep people safe and send as many people as you can back to work. it's heartbreak stories. i've been inundated. it's hard to hear them because you want to cry for people. we really appreciate your thoughts, all the people working tonight in hospitals across this country putting their lives on the line. those who lost their lives. others who certainly will. our prayers and thoughts are always with them and those who are struggling with loneliness. a lot of people out there are struggling tonight. correspondent raymond arroyo is going to be with us up next. we have a special edition of what joe is doing. some of the latest stumbles, no, there are none. can you believe that? seen and unseen next. - do you have a box of video tapes, film reels, or photos,

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>> laura: it's time for our seen and unseen segment. when we resteel stories behind the headlines. joining us with all the details, raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. joe biden's lead over president trump is slipping in the national polls, but he's still broadcasting from his basement. pray tell what happened today? >> laura, biden appeared on msnbc. now, this is the presumed democratic presidential nominee. listen closely to his first answer about what he believes president trump should be doing as he consults his script. >> we have to depend on what the president is going to do right now, and first of all, he has to tell -- wait until the cases before anything happens -- look, whole idea is he's got to get in place things that were shortages of.

>> oh, laura, he also proposed that the president invoke the defense production act which he already signed. the cognitive decline is so blatant it's bordering on the tragic. how long can this campaign be allowed to continue, broadcasting from the basement? >> laura: what's interesting is i saw the shad de of a hand on the side. was that the visiting angel? i wasn't quite sure who that was. he's an affable. >> the strategist are urging him to try new platforms. he appeared on the jimmy kimmel show also from his basement and it was a rambling mess. >> we now have a raid of escalation of those who are acquiring the coronavirus, that's exceeded now china and exceeded other countries at their peak. i mean, it's just --

>> laura, it's pitiful watching him. has at the point now where he apologizes for his mistakes as he makes them. it's a little bit like one of our teenagers down in the basement on snap chat. there is a point where you have to go down and take the device from them. pull him off the air. that's what you've got to do. >> laura: my goodness. he's certainly making the midwest of his self-quarantine or whatever he's doing. confinement. he should just keep confining. what happened with this kennedy center brouhaha because they got $25 million for all the fancy people to go to the kennedy center. pelosi made sure to put that in there, what's going on? >> nancy pelosi gave them $25 million, and then the kennedy center's director deborah told the institution's musicians, the national symphony, that they will not be paid after this week and their healthcare is going to lapse at the end of the movement

it's unbelievable -- at the end of may, rather. what the hell was the $25 million of taxpayer for if not to help the workers? by the way, this is a group, they have a hundred million dollar endowment, taxpayers give them $43 million each year and they are cutting their employees off in a pandemic. it's a disgrace and i'm glad there is a congressman who is proposing to revoke the grant. that should happen. >> laura: all sorts of multibillionaires who donate an enormous grant, which is great. it's great to have the kennedy center. what's going on with our inability or our lack of church services, raymond. we don't get to go to mass and now nothing else. >> right. yesterday, a pastor in tampa, florida, held services at a church. he defied the stay at home orders. this is the sheriff of hillsboro, chad. watch. >> i made a decision to seek an arrest warrant for the pastor of

a local church who intentionally and repeatedly chose to disregard the orders set in place by our president, our governor, the cdc. >> no, we need it. they arrested the pastor, rodney howard brown, he posted bail today. he said, look, groceries are considered essential services why, not god? and though violating public health orders is not something we would advertise or advise people it does beg the question, how do you practice the free exercise of religion during this time of quarantine, and what cherished rights might you be sacrificing? people are getting very createtive. legacy childrristian church in georgia, they are doing pre-packaged sanitized communion kit for each car. in oklahoma, a church is conducting parking lot masses as well. i love this idea. >> start playing around with the idea of what about mass outside?

people could still stay in their cars. my hope is, that that provides some comfort in a strange time. >> laura: that's pretty nice. they come together. >> at least they are together. >> laura: and again, we have to live life and faith is the most important next to family for most people. >> it's a cherished american right. we should not so easily give it away. pastors need to be creative. we can come together in a parking lot and not infect anybody. >> laura: six feet away. no sneezing and wash your hands. great to see you. we know that we can't trust china when it comes to the coronavirus, but what about the w.h.o.? surely we can trust the w.h.o.? robert spalding and steve react to the shocking video that has everyone questioning the world health organization's independence. next. nowadays you do more from home than ever before.

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>> laura: shocking new video tonight. the doctor who led the w.h.o. team in wuhan, china is caught dodging questions. >> the w.h.o. considers one's

membership --- -- hello? >> i couldn't hear your question. >> let me repeat the question. >> that's okay. let's move to another one, then. >> i'm actually curious, i'm talking about taiwan as well, on taiwan's case. >> laura: can't hear you, water is running. after that exchange the doctor went on to praise china. joining me now is robert spalding, retired u.s. air force brigadier general and official. stephen moser, author of "bullet asia." they responded tonight and said we'll talk with and work with anybody on this virus. that was an odd exchange, though. >> taiwan who? laura, this is ridiculous. these guys, in addition to the w.h.o., you have the u.n. human rights counsel, world bank, name an institution that the chinese

party hasn't taken over. >> laura: i want to talk to moser about this because china is coming into europe like a white knight. lots of medical supplies, ventilators. they make a lot of stuff and these eurozone countries are welcoming them with open arms. not thinking there is any strings attached because they are in crisis. >> yeah. and then they are finding out that the protective gear doesn't protect as spain has had to return test kits. the czech republic has to. holland is turning around tons of supplies it bought from china. this is garbage. a lot of junk coming from china is literally junk. it will not heal people. it will kill people. by the way, the world health organization refusing to mention taiwan, when taiwan is a model, a model of how to deal with the wuhan flu. they shut down travel from wuhan earlier than any country. they did it even three days before president trump. they put 168 different measures in place in taiwan. they have very low rate of

infections, almost no deaths. they are a model for the rest of the world to follow and yet you have the world health organization, let's call it the china health organization, refusing even to hold up taiwan as a model when it could save lives. what does a health association do if it doesn't save lives. >> laura: let's think about this, general spalding. we've talked about this for so long but china has grown more powerful. they have gotten pretty much on the other side of this virus, we guess. so now they are being held up by u.s. media outlets. they are the model, and we even have people in the united states who are recommending surveillance of americans to trace whether they are doing social distancing. scott gottlieb has that in a document and he's a smart guy. he did a good job at the fda. he said maybe we could do these surveillance, to make sure people are not traveling during their phase two or whatever we're calling it, phase three.

>> we have to be very careful because that's exactly what the chinese communist party wants. in fact, they went to india to try and sell them 5-g because they said they could use the temperature sensors to track their population. this is creeping authoritarianism. this $2 trillion stimulus could turn out to be good. i'm not happy with it but we ought to invest in manufacturing, infrastructure and cut ourselves loose from the chinese. if anything came out of this, it's that we realize what's going on and we can separate ourselves now. >> laura: all right. well, i certainly hope, steve moser, that's part of the after action memo here, is that we're slowly going to de couple, but there are a lot of people, they want that chinese market and they want to sell our goods to china and my question is, don't you think the trillions and trillions we're spending now is kind of a sign that it's time to decouple? gentlemen, it's good to see you. we'll be right back with my final thoughts here on "the

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♪ >> laura: it's time for the last bite. cnn's chris cuomo had his brother, governor andrew cuomo, on tonight to get to the bottom of what can only be called an extremely pressing question. >> mom shares her secrets about how to make sauce with very few people. you shouldn't criticize yourself that you're not one of the people that mom saw as worthy to teach you how to cook and make tomato sauce. >> well look, i'm sure she would -- you spent so much more time in the kitchen, chris, then i did. >> laura: well, it looks kind of like one of those time-lapse things where you can age yourself on the app. that i don't want to do. but you should, this is what you're going to look like in a few years, right? that's all the time we have to and shannon bream and the

fantastic "fox news @ night" team take it all from here. shannon. spill it all right, laura, thank you so much new tonight, we're looking for answers as we start off tonight on personal protective quit for health care providers. we are told that up reports that are prominently or hospital is down to just one mask, for example, totally false. we're trying to separate fact from fiction. if the president calling on americans to rally, acknowledging the weeks ahead will be tough but that said that he believes in her ability to weather the storm. according to new data, the u.s. just saw its first day over day drop in the increase of the number of deaths. albeit slightly, in more than a week. is this a minor blip or could it be the start of a encouraging trend? it could be encouraging is also from new york state