>> sean: i've got to tell you, this ship, all hands on-deck, these hospitals being built, amazing people we have in this country, let not your heart be troubled. laura, have you seen it? it's unbelievable. >> laura: it's a beautiful thing and wonderful people on-deck and it was incredible to see the expertise, sean, and the patriotism of people who are stepping up and answering the call of duty with optimism and we've got to keep people hopeful because this is going to get really hard for a lot of people. we're going to try to speak for them tonight. h >> sean: the next three to four weeks will be very hard but if the pattern holds, and it goes down, but the next three or four weeks especially because we're testing more than any other country. listen, we're the united states of america, and we will find the

solution as always. >> laura: sean, thanks so much. great show tonight. great to see you. >> sean: have a good show. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham. we're jam packed. in a moment you'll hear from a nobel prize winning biophysicist and he's predicting things could get better a lot sooner when it comes to the coronavirus's spread. he'll tell us why, and also, another coronavirus patient makes what he says is a miraculous recovery after taking a drug combination that we've been telling you about, well, two weeks tonight. we mentioned it for the first time. he's going to tell his story. you do not want to miss it. plus the coronavirus and our response to it are wreakinghe havoc on the economy and -- frankly so many people like you. joe biden, he continues to prove how completely ill-equipped he is to be commander-in-chief and especially running things during

a crisis and how are churches trying to keep theaithl people d down and locked away. a special edition of "seen-unseen" with raymond arroyo. that's coming up, but first, america in shutdown day 14. i want to start with the raw numbers. let's keep it up here, guys. moreit than 160,000 americans he tested positivee for the coronavirus. that's out of 944,000 who have been tested just in the last month. nearly 3,000 people have died. of course, new york is still a hot zonene although the state's rate of new infections thankfully is beginning to level off. it's a very good sign, and we're going to bring you new details on this as the show continues.

now, let's look at the numbers. could the infections there be nearing a peak? maybe. let's keep going here. colorado maybe showing a similar sense of promise. we'll talk about this tonight as well but l.a. and parts of south florida are spiking as more are tested and more are hospitalized. those numbers look very disturbing. now, the fda fast track, this is great news, they fast tract approval for the emergency use of a drug that we just mentioned first two weeks ago tonight, to the cable tv audience in the united states. you had never heard of hydroxychloroquine before we mentioned it. this is terrific news. >> the pharmaceutical company has been working with us very closely, and as alex mentioned a little bit, 30 million doses of the hydroxychloroquine to the united states government has been given, and bayer donated some. another donated the drug to u.s.

hospitals. >> laura: we have promising news regarding immunity testing as well which would give us critical information. mainly, who among us won't get covid-19 because of a natural or developed immunity to it. that's incredible. now, those folks, people who have that immunity couldat obviously go back to work. that would be good for all of us. but of course, many of you, and i know you are, because i've heard from you, were crest fallen to hear the president's decision last night to extend this national shutdown to at least april 30,he and virginia governor ralph northam announced he's closing down the state until june 10, acknowledging today that this would have a devastating impact on the state's economy. he said it will be really hard, you think?

yes, it is. really hard. maryland is closed indefinitely. governor hogan's stay at home order doesn't specify any end date there so people are wondering when will life ever get back to normal? at the daily briefing today, ag few moments stood out. >> scott gottlieb, your former fda commissioner, wrote a road map after the recovery virus. >> president trump: i saw it. >> the road map suggested that everybody wear a mask in public. is that something that the task force thinks is a good idea? >> president trump: we haven't discussed it to that extent but it's certainly we could discuss. we're not going to be wearing masks forever but it could be for a short period of time after we get back into gear.r. cs. >> laura: wait a second. didn't they tell us not to use masks or buy masks? that's completely changed. i guess we're learning new things all the time. everyone is going to have to

wear a mask for the foreseeable future. we need clear guidelines there. now the former fda cner has the president's ear. he's highly respected by many including dr. anthony fauci. he sits on a number of big pharma boards, nothing wrong with that, and he works at a very promising think tank the american enterprise in washington. now, every american especially those who are interested in making plans for the future, should carefully read what scott gottlieb is advocating vis-a-vis the coronavirus. one of the things he said, he breaks it down into four phases. it's kind of interesting but one of the things he says, right now we're in phase one and phase one is essentially trying to contain this, mitigate this, do what we're doing now. phase two would be more stepped up, you know, social distancing, but maybe we could slowly pull back in a few states. we'll see where that goes. it also mentions the tracking of u.s. citizens. now, this was actually brought up in the briefing today. where the government, i guess,

would use gps trackers. again, this isn't gottlieb's list of proposals to get us back to normal. what do you think of that? gps tracking of u.s. citizens to enforce the stay at home or the social distancing orders. now, we expected that from russia and china. would the united states use those measures? the president, when he responded today said, well, that's pretty severe. but he also said, you know, they understand he's heard about this report. maybe he's read the report. we all understand, as this is going forward, that the president has a lot of balancing. he's getting a lot of input from a lot of people, smart people, and we understand he needs to protect the lives of americans. that's critically important. healthcare workers. think about them. they are feeling the strain. we've seen them on television. that's real.

in many parts of the country, not all parts but many parts, stress, anxiety, the worry, the personal protective gear, some of them still don't have enough, rod some are getting sick themselves. that's really, really terrifying. can't break the system. we all get that. and tonight, we also know that the economic carnage is piling up as well. now, it's already being felt coast-to-coast having an impact n working men and women. the at risk and low-income families, they are especially, especially in harm's way. now, again, gottlieb breaks down our recovery into those three phases. i talked about earlier. right now we're in phase one. in phase two we would be able to get on a modified track. phase two have the outbreak under control, could slowly start to reopen schools and businesses. and parks. but would still have to practice

some social distancing. it willing large gatherings, keeping the elderly and vulnerable somewhat isolated. now in this phase, test wooing also need to be more routine and widespread than it is today. it seems kind of reasonable, but who knows how long that would take. k're testing more than any other country in the world now. not by per capital standards but we've just jacked that up. the white house has stepped in. but is this goal to get even to phase two? is it achievable by april 30? is it achievable by june 30? there are a lot of things in this document. so what would it take for america, you might ask, if phase two is not even clear to get back to normal life, the life you had before all of this? those days when kids went to school and people went to sporting events and weddings, restaurant and church. okay. here's during phase three.s this is from the gottlieb recommendations.th

physical distancing restrictions and other phase two measures can be lifted when safe and effective tools for mitigating the risk of covid-19 are available, including they are broad surveillance and a safe and effective vaccine. that goes back to the gps tracking. now, we all want a vaccine. we're praying for a vaccine. brilliant people are working on that right now, but anthony fauci told us that would be at least 12 months from now, if not 18 months. that's how long the process takes. f today, johnson&johnson announced plans for a clinical trial of a covid-19 vaccine in september. that's when the trial would begin. but let me be clear. if gottlieb's metrics are going to be the ones the whitete house uses, in thinking about this and talking to a lot of other really smart people today congress needs to come back into sessiona like tomorrow, okay?

if all of our scientific resources are needed to get this vaccine tested, done, designed, and ready to go as soon as possible, so we can go back to being a free country, if that's the metric, then we all need to know that now. it's not like at the end of april, we're told another two months. no. if we need to know the hard news, i think people need to know this news tonight. and congress has to be here to help figure this out. now, americans, i think, are extremely understanding. they want to do their part. we all do, but, in just talking to a lot of folks today from all different walks of life, people's patience is not going to last forever. you can't blame them. they are under an enormous amount of stress and they don't have jobs. congress needs to get involved,y get actual specific metrics that the administration is using, to determine when we can have our country back.

in every one of the states, also now under a stay in place order, there should be an urgent meeting of the state legislatures. the governor should be required to explain, in every state in detail, the factual and legal basis for his or her actions. they might be perfectly valid. they might be based on all the perfect projections and data, and if the projections are even worse than we thought, we, the people, havero a right to know. it's only fair. give us the facts. give us the metrics for restarting the country, then we can decide whether they are achievable in a reasonable amount of time. some people are going to lose their homes. many are going to lose their businesses, and others, they are going to lose everything theyy worked their entire life for. they deserve to have a complete understanding of the actions being taken by the government. one of my favorite emails of the day came from an old high school friend. i haven't heard from him i don't think in maybe 17 or 18 years.in laura, just as scared as anyone about coronavirus, but we don't

have much of a democracy if every difficult decision is made by technocrats and the media and people have no say in the matter. i thought a lot about that i guess i couldn't blame them. protect your health and that of others. wash your hands a lot. use a glove to touch outside surfaces. socially distance. it's appropriate,pr right thingo do. help those around you who are homebound or just depressed. there are a lot of lonely people throughout as well. let's also remember that capitalism will and is, frankly, delivering the therapies and we hope in the future the cures for this wretched virus. so let's not kill the free market in the process of killing the virus. every time a company closes, the flood gate of anxiety and pain is opened for its workers. we want to stay safe and free. and those are my thoughts on the end of shutdown day 14. a nobel prize winning

biophysicist is predicting a downturn sooner than most models have predicted. michael levitt is a physicist at stanford and he says there are cleared signs of slowed growth and he joins us tonight from israel. i know it's in the middle of the night there. professor, thank you so much for getting up for this show tonight. it's so important. i want to ask you, what numbers are you looking at, and what might we be missing in the analysis? >> it's great to be on your tshow. i'm not a television person, sog it was interesting hearing your introduction. as soon as i get off the line i'm not going to go to sleep, i'm going to pick up gottlieb's report. it seems to be filled of a lot

of common sense.ag also, i would probably agree with every single word you said. again, common sense. ithe numbers we use really go back historically to what was available in china at the end of january. essentially the number of cases and the number of deaths. cases are obviously complicated because it's very hard -- different from a case in israel or perhaps italy. cases are not normally defined technically. theyey are defined by the presee of the virus on the person who gets sick. when we got involved in china on the 28th of january, they already had a few hundred deaths, so this is really quite advanced. we're not doing any modeling. we're just looking at the numbers and trying to understand what the numbers are telling us. >> and professor, how doe we judge the seriousness of the disease? by the number of positive tests? that's a lot of positive tests,

or the seriousness of the symptoms of the disease, and obviously, ultimate death? how do you judge the seriousness of it? >> i would, again, i'm not a physician, i'm out of medical school but i'm not a physician, it seems to me one problem with the tests, and this is actually maybe not a problem, is that they are very sensitive, and this means that very small amounts of virus can be detected. this means that if we look towards the future where the virus is more spread, almost everyone who dies will die with coronavirus. if you're in a car accident and they test you, they might findab coronavirus on you, but you probably didn't die because of coronavirus. this is an important distinction

that i've been trying to make in israel. in some ways, although israel is very small country -- [inaudible] on this, so i think i would go from, essentially, i think the most important thing is what physicians see, in many ways, again, i'm not a physician but from what i've read, symptoms that a patient with symptoms of coronavirus have, are fairly advanced influenza, and influenza has beens studied a great deal by the -- u.s. cdc. some years have bad influenza. essentially, a lot of people get the disease. a smaller number show symptoms. a smaller number see a physician. a smaller number go to hospital. and the smaller number die. and i think those are the

stages. the trouble is, i think, coronavirus is still new and doctors don't necessarily realize where things are. i think one trouble that i'm seeing is that it's really a very hard problem. i don't think we should underestimate the problem. i would say this problem is, say, on a parallel of designing nuclear weapons in the second world war. the sad thing is, this problem is being solved on the internet nothing top secrecy by the smartest people in the world. it makes it very, very hashed, media has become -- it's not easy to get the ideas across. it's a very tough problem. all the policies raised are valid. the trade-off between all these different aspects. let me give you an example of a number i asked my friend and

group recently. if a person is hospitalized with coronavirus, what then, is his chance of surviving?re is it with influenza, he would have a 90% chance of surviving? that's not actually very good. once you're hospitalized with influenza, and dealing with pneumonia. as a result you have about a 10% chance of not surviving. that's high. much higher than we're seeing. what is that number for coronavirus? very important, is how important are preexisting conditions? one thing i think -- so these are difficult issues, and they are not just decided by experts, they are decided by common sense. we need to have dialogue to distill the common sense from this. >> laura: dr. levitt, we're going to try to get you back on because, these are big issuess and big problems, but we're finding thatusig a lot of peopl, especially in the italian studies, died with coronavirus

but then a lot of the physicians aree saying, we're not even saying necessarily they are dying of it but with it because they had so many underlying conditions which complicates the analysis. professor levitt, thanks so w mh for joining us in the middle of the night from israel. we really appreciate it. a week and a half ago jim -- was hospitalized after contracting covid-19. despite the help he got, medical help, his condition only worsened.ac he thought he was aty death's door. then his doctors put him on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. he's here tonight to tell us his story. what changed once you got on that drug combination? >> thank you, laura, for having me. i went into theisis hospital on wednesday, march 18, due to severe -- sudden onset of severe respiratory and cardiac issues. what was interesting is i was being treated over a number of days receiving albuterol as well as a steroid. my condition continued to worsen

until saturday. saturday was really the point that changed everything. that morning i was having severe difficulty breathing. i was gasping for air. i was feeling like i was slowly drowning and i remember at that point thinking, am i going to live to see midnight or the next day? the physician had come in that morning, they did a chest x-rays and he stated that i had a lot of structural issues going on, in my lungs, including some collapsing. he at that point told me they had pretty much exhausted all options and recommend they bring in an infectious diseasett physician. that physician arrived shortly after and that's when he recommended d trying the hydroxychloroquine as well as the azithromycin. >> laura: jim, your condition turned around completely. you had -- i mean, you described it as a miraculous recovery and yet people are just blowing it off and saying, oh, as if azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine, they are not

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>> laura: jim rejoins me now. jim, i was thinking about you as i was reading all of these headlines saying, you know, hydroxychloroquine, untested. yet the fda gives it emergency approval. well, i guess it was tested on you and it worked pretty well, right, jim? >> it sure did. actually within a few hours after gtwe receiving the first , i had a drastic improvement. my breathing improved significantly.y. my vitals improved and i felt a hundred times better. i actually had hope at that point. >> laura: jim, what do you say to people who are saying you need a controlled study. it has to go on for some period of time. this is a trump administration, just playing wild west. do you feel that way? >> i've got to say this. it's absolutely ridiculous, and it's worked on me and other people as we've seen around the country and around the world. even the physicians said they were having positive results in china and south korea. but for any personhe not want ts to work simply because president trump mentioned it, it's truly

unamerican and they should be p ashamed of themselves. this is about saving lives, stopping the suffering and getting through this together as a nation. covid-19, it's not a partisan issue. >> laura: jim, i could not have said it better myself. i'm so glad, you look great. you look healthy, and thank god for medicine that's been around for 60 or 70 years. we really appreciate you joining us tonight. thanks so much. >> thank you so much. >> laura: texas governor greg abbott mandated a 14-day quarantine for travelers coming from coronavirus hot spots like louisiana, california, and washington. washington state. and this comes as other states crack down on out-of-staters especially those coming from ner york. joining me now is texas lieutenant governor dan patrick. dan, what do you think about, i

mean, the people who are still saying that drugs that are working right now, they don't work on everybody, especially super, super advanced people but they are working now, are still throwing cold water on therapies that seem like they could be really promising? >> well, laura, for people who are dying, orr in critical condition, and since we don't have a vaccine and since we don't have a cure, compassionate use is the go-to. try. and we pass laws like that in texas and the united states. i don't think should you throw cold water on something that's saved a life. i'm not a doctor or a scientist but i don't think we should just brush it aside, so i think the president is right to say, let's push this out to the best of our ability, and let's face it, some of our trials that we normally go through, a long process with the fda, are happening in real-time to people like jim in the hospital. o >> laura: lieutenant governor, the energy industry is hurting.

the hospitality and the conference industry. pretty much every industry except groceries and pharmaceutical companies, amazon is obviously doing really well. but what about your state, as we see the oil prices -- driven down by saudi arabia and o masse loss of jobs. your thoughts? >> we're getting hit with a double hit as is everyone but particularly here in texas. the saudis, we give them military cover. we give them a lot of aid. we give them a lot of support. at the end of the day we're probably the ones that saved thememo from a lot of people who would like to take them out of power and they need to help us. they need to stop dumping oil on the market. it's not good for texas and it's not good for america so that needs to stop, laura, and i hope the president and this administration will be very clear to saudi arabia, it's the number one thing i hear from every person in the oil industry. saudi arabia needs to stop dumping oil on the markets.

otherwise, it only complicates our recovery even more in texas and in america. >> laura: dan, nancy pelosi over the weekend, after saying party politics shouldn't be involved here, pelosi comes out and says this. watch. >> the president, his denial at the beginning, was deadly. i don't know what the scientists tre saying to him. i don't know what the scientistn said to him. when did this president know about this and what did he know? as the president -- people are dying. t >> what did the president know and when did he know knit it's disgusting, i have no word for nancy pelosi. >> no, she's absolutely shameless, and it's, -- disturbing to me. as americans we need to pull together. number one, we need to protect every life and that's been the

president's focus and the second thing is wete need to get our economy moving as soon as we can. and the left loves to criticize the economy. the media really likes to try to divide us on that issue but the economy what is the economy? that's people who own a business. that's people who have jab and love going to work. that's a stock market that has retirement for school teachers and everyone else and for young parents -- >> laura: it's everybody's life. >> everybody's life. we can do two things at once. life is most important but we have to get this economy rolling again. i know the president wants to. as i said before, i trust the president. i think he's done a terrific job managing this so far. no one has ever had to take on what he's had to take on literally over 21 days. he's on the right path. he wants to put life first, and then we have to get this economy back together. people in america are born to work, laura. they want to work. they love what they do and we have to get back to work as soon as we can.

>> laura: they want safety and freedom. without freedom, safety, t you know, for a lot of people, they are saying what does that even f mean anymore? >> laura, thank you. >> laura: you take care. we're crossing over. we'll have you back on next week. millions of americans have lost their -- job because of the coronavirus. how much worse could it get and what could we do to turn things around? steve, numbers today were brutal. we're just beginning to see the real economic carnage from shutting this nation down now for another month, and from what i'm hearing, this could go onge until june. the metrics, are they change something are they right? i have no idea, but a lot of people have a lot of questions tonight. your thoughts on where we are, given the numbers that are just

rolling in. >> well, laura, we have about 30% of our economy that's virtually shut down right now and that's going to increase as more states, including virginia and maryland, move to a total lockdown on their economy except for essential businesses. so it's a scary situation. wie never seen anything quite like this before in terms ofhate been making, and, by the way, lieutenant governor made a very smart point, that this isn't the economy versus health and safety. ecwe can do both. we can have a functioning economy and use really smart public health measures to try and make sure we don't go into june or july or august with our economy shut down because if that happens, laura, i think you're going to be looking at millions of small businesses failing. you're going to see potentially not three million unemployed as we saw last week but that number could go to 10 to 20 to 30 million. we've never seen that at any

other time in this country's history. >> laura: that's a depression. let's be honest about what that is, so when people want to be honest about this horrific virus that we're dealing with and the numbers, you know, they are horrible, and when they peak or when they don't peak but the numbers here, these are people. these -- these are the lives of small businesses and their employees and their mothers and fathers and kids, and at risk kids who are home, and not able to go to school. i mean, i want -- i'll read this. this is a federal reserve projection from st. louis. total job loss could total 47 million. -e unemployment rate could hit 32%, that's what they are estimating right now based on this shutdown going on until the end of april and perhaps, if we're following some of these new metrics, maybe june or later as you said. maybe the fall. heck, let's call off christmas. >> look, my feeling is, i think the president has made a smart

declaration that we've got a date that we want to try to get the economy up and running again. at least in certain places of the country. you can -- certainly new york city will be shut down for a while given how fast the virus has spread therere but there are parts of the country that really are fairly up affected by this and it doesn't make sense to have a universal standard for the whole country. in my estimation, laura, if the president sticks with this april 30 deadline and then we start opening up things i think we can get past this. my worry is that when you start talking about may, june, july, the economic damage cascades at a very fast pace. i talked to an executive from one of the airlines today and they were saying, look, even ife we started opening up in may, he said they are not going to have flights full by any time in late fall. so every week that goes by, the damage gets worse. but can i make another point that i think is important. >> real quick.

>> we have businesses that are operating. we have fedex. we have tracking companies, we have super markets and it's interesting, they are not seeing widespread -- the virus because they are taking very sound health measures, even though people are work. why don't we do that? for all businesses? >> laura: steve, i could not agree with you more. keep people safe. a distance. wash hands. face shields, whatever you have to do. but try to keep people safe and send as manyck people as you can back to work. it's heartbreak stories. i've been inundated. it's hard to hear them because you want to cry for people. we really appreciate your thoughts, all the people working tonight in hospitals across this country putting their lives on the line. those who lost their lives. a

others who certainly will. our prayers and thoughts are always with them and those who are struggling with loneliness. a lot of people out there are struggling tonight. correspondent raymond arroyo is going to be with us up next. we have a special edition of what joe is doing. some of the latest stumbles, no, there are none. can you believe that? seen and unseen next.

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holocaust survivors in the former soviet union before its too late. ♪ >> live from america's news head quarters i'm checking up on his in new york and another grim milestone resulting from the coronavirus pandemic to report this hour. health officials telling us now the number of fibers related that's in the u.s. surpassed 3,000 mark. all 50 states confirming cases of the disease, new york means the epicenter with at least 914 deaths in new york alone. if monday, reported 519 deaths and the new record in one day. white house briefing, late monday president trump said practicing social distancing "our shared patriotic duty" extending the policy through april and are dramatic course reversal from last week and we

talked about using public governing eye lens bite you straighten health officials now expecting nationwide test toll 100,000. if i if jack, now back to the "the ingraham angle" " ♪ >> laura: it's time for our seen and unseen segment. when we retell stories behind the headlines. joining us with all the details, raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. joe biden's lead over president trump is slipping in the national polls, but he's still broadcasting from his basement. pray tell what happened today? >> laura, biden appeared on msnbc. now, this is the presumed democratic presidential nominee. listen closely to his first answer about what he believes president trump should be doing as he consults his script. >> we have to depend on what the president is going to do right now, and first of all, he has to tell -- wait until the cases before anything happens -- look, whole idea is he's got to get in

place things that were shortages of. >> oh, laura, he also proposed that the president invoke the defense production act which he already signed.e the cognitive decline is so blatant it's bordering on the tragic. how long can this campaign be allowed to continue, broadcasting from thee basement? >> laura: what's interesting is i saw the shad de of a hand on the side. was that the visitings angel? i wasn't quite sure who that was. he's an affable. >> the strategist are urging him to try new platforms. he appeared on the jimmy kimmel show also from his basement and it was a rambling mess. >> we now have a raid of escalation of those who are acquiring the coronavirus, that's exceeded now china and exceeded other countries at their peak.

i mean, it's just -- >> laura, it's pitiful watching him. has at the point now where he apologizes for his mistakes as he makes them. it's a little bit like one of our teenagers down in theou basement on snap chat. there is a point where you have to go down and take the h device from them. pull him off the air. that's what you've got to do. >> laura: my goodness. he's certainly making the midwest of his self-quarantine or whatever he's doing. confinement. he should just keep confining. what happened with this kennedy center brouhaha because they got $25 million for all the fancy people to go to the kennedy center. pelosi made sure to put that in there, what's going on? >> nancy pelosi gave them $25 million, and then the kennedy center's director deborah told the institution's musicians, thg national symphony, that they

will not be paid after this week and their healthcare is going to lapse at the end of the movement it's unbelievable -- at the end of may, rather. what the hell was the $25 million of taxpayer for if not to help the workers? by the way, this is a group, they have a hundred million dollar endowment, taxpayers give them $43 million each year and they are cutting their employees off inon a pandemic. it's a disgrace and i'm glad there is a congressman who is proposing to revoke the grant. that should happen. >> laura: all sorts ofth multibillionaires who donate an enormous grant, which is great. it's great to have the kennedy center. what's going on with our inability or our lack of church services, raymond. we don't get to go to mass and now nothing else. >> right. yesterday, a pastor in tampa, florida, held services at a church. he defied the stay at homeas

orders. this is the sheriff of hillsboro, chad. watch. >> i made a decision to seek an arrest warrant for the pastor of a local church who intentionally and repeatedly chose to disregard the orders set in place by our president, our governor, the cdc. >> no, we need it. they arrested the pastor, rodney howard brown, he posted bail today. he said, look, groceries are considered essential services why, not god?d and though violating public health orders is not something we would advertise or advise people it does beg the question, how do you practice the free exercise of religion during this time of quarantine, and what cherished rights might you be sacrificing? people are getting very creative. legacy christian church in ificpegeorgia, they are doing pre-packaged sanitized communion kit for each car. in oklahoma, a church is conducting parking lot masses as well. i love this idea.

>> start playing around with the idea of what about mass outside? people could still stay in their cars. my hope is, that that provides some comfort in a strange time. >> laura: that's pretty nice. they come together. >> at least they are together. >> laura: and again, we have to live life and faith is the most important next to family for most people. >> it's a cherished american right. we should not so easily give it away. pastors need to be creative. we can come together in a parking lot and not infect anybody. y laura: six feet away. no sneezing and wash your hands. great to see you. we know that we can't trust china when it comes to the coronavirus, but what about the w.h.o.? surely we can trust the w.h.o.? robert spalding and steve react to the shocking video that has everyone questioning the worldhe

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♪ >> laura: shocking new video tonight. the doctor who led the w.h.o. team in wuhan, china is caught dodging questions. >> the w.h.o. considers one's membership --- -- hello?

>> i couldn't hear your question. >> let me repeat the question. >> that's okay. let's move to another one, then. >> i'm actually curious, i'm talking about taiwan as well, on taiwan's case. >> laura: can't hear you, water is running. after that exchange the doctor went on to praise china. joining me now is robert spalding, retired u.s. air force brigadier general and official. stephen moser, author of "bullet asia." they responded tonight and said we'll talk with and work with anybody on this virus. that was an odd exchange, though. >> taiwan who? laura, this is ridiculous. these guys, in addition to the w.h.o., you have the u.n. human rights counsel, world bank, name an institution that the chinese

party hasn't taken over. >> laura: i want to talk to moser about this because china is coming into europe like a white knight. lots of medical supplies, ventilators. they make a lot of stuff and these eurozone countries are welcoming them with open arms. not thinking there is any strings attached because they are in crisis. >> yeah. and then they are finding out that the protective gear doesn't protect as spain has had to return test kits. the czech republic has to. holland is turning around tons of supplies it bought from china. this is garbage. a lot of junk coming from china is literally junk. it will not heal people. it will kill people. by the way, the world health organization refusing to mention taiwan, when taiwan is a model, a model of how to deal with the wuhan flu. they shut down travel from wuhan earlier than any country. they did it even three days

before president trump. they put 168 different measures in place in taiwan. they have very low rate of infections, almost no deaths. they are a model for the rest of the world to follow and yet you have the world health organization, let's call it the china health organization, refusing even to hold up taiwan as a model when it could save lives. what does a health association do if it doesn't save lives. >> laura: let's think about this, general spalding. we've talked about this for so long but china has grown more powerful. they have gotten pretty much on the other side of this virus, we guess. so now they are being held up by u.s. media outlets. they are the model, and we even have people in the united states who are recommending surveillance of americans to t trace whether they are doing social distancing. scott gottlieb has that in a document and he's a smart guy. he did a good job at the fda. he said maybe we could do these surveillance, to make sure people are not traveling during

their phase two or whatever we're calling it, phase three. >> we have to be very carefulr because that's exactly what the chinese communist party wants. in fact, they went to india to try and sell them 5-g because they said they could use the temperature sensors to track their population. this is creeping authoritarianism. this $2 trillion stimulus could turn out to be good. i'm not happy with it but we ought to invest inlv manufacturing, infrastructure and cut ourselves loose from the chinese. if anything came out of this, it's that we realize what's going on and we can separate ourselves now. >> laura: all right. well, i certainly hope, steve moser, that's part of the after action memo here, is that we're slowly going to decouple, but there are a lot of people, they want that chinese market and they want to sell our goods to china and my question is, don't you think the trillions and trillions we're spending now is

kind of a sign that it's time to decouple? gentlemen, it's good to see you. we'll be right back with my final thoughts here on "the ingraham angle."

♪ >> laura: it's time for the last bite. cnn's chris cuomo had his brother, governor andrew cuomo, on tonight to get to the bottom of what can only be called an extremely pressing question. >> mom shares her secrets about how to make sauce with very few people. you shouldn't criticize yourself that you're not one of the people that mom saw as worthy to teach you how to cook and make tomato sauce. >> well look, i'm sure she would -- you spent so much more time in the kitchen, chris, then i did. >> laura: well, it looks kind of like one of those time-lapse

things where you can age yourself on the app. that i don't want to do. but you should, this is what you're going to look like in a few years, right? that's all the time we have to and shannon bream and the fantastic "fox news @ night" shannon. spill it all right, laura, thank you so much new tonight, we're looking for answers as shannon: we are looking for answers as we start off on personal protective equipment for healthcare providers. reports that a prominent new york hospital is down to just one mask, separating fact from fiction, the weeks ahead will be tough but believe in our ability to weather the storm. according to new data the us sites first drop in the number of deaths. is this a minor blip or could be the start of an encouraging trend? could be encouraging news from new york state where the hospitalization rate has been

slowing