as you are hinting at, there's a matilda's law. lot of depression that will come i named it for my mother and it from this. both in terms of unemployment was very clear about people who but also the pandemic, and fears are older and what they should of the pandemic. i also agree with your point that this guidance coming from the top down is a very good thing. even if, at the same time, we that was two weeks ago. if my brother still had my say, "hey, this epicenter is mother at his house again, out more important, these are the places where most of the problems are, let's focus on the of love and comfort that my mother wanted to be at the epicenter is the most," that's house, anyway. she didn't want to be sitting going to be guided by the rapid home in an apartment. so, she would have been doing test coming up. what she wanted to do. he would have been doing what he 50,000 tests a day, supposedly. wanted to do. it would have seemed great, and if we can actually test that many people with a point-of-care armless, but now we'd have a test where you know right away much different situation. whether you have it, we isolate because, if he was exposed, you, your contacts, that chances are she may have very together with the stay-at-home policy will have a positive impact to flatten the curve. well been exposed. and then we'd be looking at a >> harris: real quickly, different situation than just my katie, we've seen places pop up where people just don't want to brother sitting in his basement for two weeks. stay usns comfort so, think about that. came in, we wanted to go see.

right? my brother is smart, he was melissa was talking about that. acting out of love. those pictures of thousands of luckily we caught it early people huddled together looking like they are going into a fun event, that is jarring. enough. but, it's my family, it's your family, it's all of our >> katie: this goes back to families. what we are saying earlier, different places have different standards and abilities for this virus is that insidious. people to go out, and be outside without having to be and we have to keep that in crowded in a place that has high mind. density. keep in mind matilda's law. you mentioned the psychological aspect of this, harris. i think people are going to remember who's vulnerable here, and protect them. start asking some questions. if you look at the d.c. and you want to go out and act maryland orders, if you are stupid for yourself, that's one going to start threatening jail time and fines of thousands of thing. but you are stupid don't just dollars against people who go affect you. outside or violate the order you come home, you can infect somehow, while releasing criminals from jail, i think you're going to be questions about how you enforce that and someone else, and you can cause a serious illness or even death whether that's actually a fair for them, by your actions. application of enforcing the order. each state is doing what they think is best. people have to really get this virginia is june 10th, that also and internalize it, because it comes with the ability to take can happen to anyone. it off earlier. but that's a pretty long time. two weeks, with my mother and

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let's do on-topic questions first, if anyone has any questions on local issues. we will do that afterwards. reported back how many extra health care workers on the ground right now? we are hearing of some people who are trying to apply, in new york, and they are not getting any response about when that will happen. >> lets her wonder what we said, we have now, a few days ago, we put out -- the question is, are all health care workers working? the problem is they are working too much. there overstressed, they are working too many shifts. they are afraid to go home, they may bring the virus home. they are under immense physical and emotional stress. we put out a request to a couple days ago to ask retirees to come forward. we have now about 78,000 people who said they would help.

god bless the state of new york and god bless humanity. >> melissa: we are learning that the cdc is looking into we now are working with the hospitals, and we did this in recommending to the general public that they wear the meeting yesterday, also. face masks, but the surgeon sorting those 78,000 people by general pushing back on that region and by expertise across idea, saying there is no data sue support the notion that the state. we have a portal that they can face masks will help stop the explain. spread of the coronavirus. we have to link them up with the dr. siegel, i will start with hospital, right? you. we have the pool of 70,000, you we have that, and he put that up against the fact that people in manhattan are staying inside, but i look at life streaming now have to coordinate that with the hospital in that region with online in the outer boroughs, those skills. and that's what we're doing now. jim, do you want to -- >> today the portal will be launched and live. people are walking around like it's any of the day. the 78,000 or so, we have to do it's not necessarily going to work, it's people in harlem and the bronx, we are talking about some prechecking. so we checked for licenses, wearing masks. how do you balance all of this? what makes sense? discipline, and those people who didn't have a license or had >> dr. siegel: the problem disciplinary issues were taken with the masks, melissa, is out. so th as the governor said, they this. they don't actually work if you put them on really tightly. are broken down by region, if they get moist, they don't work. if you get stuff on the surface, discipline. you can spread it around. we are trying to do is it is also sending the message

that's all you need. prioritize the availability of a you got your mask, your project. portal to the hospitals that need it the most right now, that you may forget to wash your hands, and the surgeon need some extra help in the field. general has made that point. but we are working very closely disinfection services. i like the masks for people who with the entire system, like the are immunocompromised, people governor said, to make sure we who are coughing or sneezing, are linking up those new people at high risk. maybe i would broaden that two health care workers to those facilities. so it'll be alive today. people in very close quarters >> reporter: is a connected that can't obey social with the out-of-state workers? distancing. everybody wearing them down the >> it's everyone. street is probably going to we are trying to prioritize the collect more virus than it's going to stop. in-state workers, which we have a region. so we know the potential health care workers in every >> carley: the other argument region of the state. that's been made about that is, where there are, what their status is. because this virus is we want to get those people here for us because they are here in asymptomatic and you can new york. spread it for weeks on end we want to prioritize the without knowing you have it, new york, downstate regional employees because we know they the people should wear them generally because we don't know are closer to those facilities who has a dent who doesn't, that are in need now. and we will need the upstate because were not testing everybody. what is your response to that? employees potentially later. and we have the out-of-state >> dr. siegel: that's a really employees that are potentially good point. a, we should test anybody who -- we are trying to keep those folks, looking at the folks at may have come in contact. new jersey, connecticut, and i'm hoping that improves. other places. that way they don't have the later become the number one time travel from long distances. you're spreading it is when you >> reporter: what is the time are symptomatic. on getting those people on? people should wake up and say any symptom is a symptom i'm

are there any concerns about concerned about. individuals? congestion, cough. don't wait to have the classic >> we are looking at age, we've symptoms. any symptom, i would then wear a got about 175 people doing mask. i don't think wearing the mask down the street, that we've backgrounds on everyone who comes into the portal. on the hospitals we are working reached that level. with will do their own checks to generally speaking, science doesn't show this is an airborne make sure the person is up to virus. it. if they may not get the one job, it runs on a respiratory they may get another job. droplet. can it stay in there for a we are making sure we have cross while, yes, it probably can. coronation there, as well. some of the hospitals could mask should be increased for only certain purposes. potentially have these folks in needed areas by thursday. >> new figures that are coming >> melissa: we will have more in, have you any new projections "outnumbered" in just a moment. as far as when it might hit in new york city and the state as a the newday va streamline refi is the reason why. whole? >> windows the apex hit? it lets you shortcut the loan process and that's the $64,000 question. refinance with no income verification, we have five models that we look no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. at. it is true to say almost no two one call can save you $2000 every year. call my team at newday usa right now. are the same. the range on the apex is somewhere between let's say 7-21

days. if you look at all five, it 7-21 days from now. and look, jesse, this does me no good. what is it, 7-21, the range is dhtd=ñ6z jy4hoúm# (background conversation (notification chime) too broad. do i have seven or do i have (keyboard clicking) three weeks? it's the variables that they are looking at. on the one hand, you would think they'd be able to tell, because you have the china model, the south korea data, et cetera. but then you have variables. how effective is the social distancing? how many people actually staying home? how does the density relate? so there are variables. but the apex estimate, 7-21. that's not the only estimate that varies. they then vary on how many beds you would need, right? we have 53,000 beds statewide, if we operate as a state. we mandated 50% more beds, so now we are up to 75,000 beds.

all of them say you need more than the 75,000, and the high estimate is 140,000. the ventilator estimate among those projections goes from 10,000 to 40,000. are those wright, jim >> in addition to what we have. >> one of the executive orders that you signed actually would let you put in a receiver into some of these hospitals if they don't meet that 50% threshold or even go above that. do you foresee having to do that, and what would that allow you and dr. zucker to do? >> the hospitals have been cooperative. the question is, we have the ability to appoint a receiver if the hospitals not being cooperative. the hospitals are being cooperative. we put out that rule that you have to add 50% capacity.

they all added 50% capacity. they've all responded. we are sending out a rule today that says, "i want to know what you have in stock, what your stockpile is, where inventory is." because we really need to share. nobody has enough, so everybody put everything into the middle, in a pot, and we will distribute it. we are doing that. it's not, joe, going to be as much they are not listening. it's going to be there capacity level. right? you have -- let's think downstate new york. you have about 170 hospitals. if we set here two months ago, we could have graded almost all 170 hospitals. and he would have had some stronger and some weaker. as a general rule, the public hospitals would have been on the

weaker spectrum. less financing, et cetera, history of being more troubled. you've now put weight on all 170. even if you put the equal amount of weight on all 170, you are going to see a different reaction in the hospital depending on the underlying strength of the hospital. you put a different and should wait , you happen to be in brooklyn and is more density in brooklyn, and that hospital gets more weight, you get a different variabl variable. in general, we are going to see is the hospitals that were >> melissa: our thanks to dr. marc siegel, who has been working around the clock to help us sort through all of the stressed can't take the stress. information that we are getting on this coronavirus pandemic. right? it's not even a medical concept. and thanks to the rest of the virtual couch today. it works with personalities, t carley shimkus and katie pavlich. we are back here at noon eastern. too. the personalities having trouble our coronavirus pandemic dealing with stress or having coverage continues now with more trouble dealing with this harris faulkner. ♪ stress.

so the health and hospital >> harris: corporations, what i said -- which are the public hospitals "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." -- i said to the private i'm harris faulkner. hospitals, "you have to help deaths in america have now them." topped 3,000, exceeding the and we have to watch, when they number of people killed in the get up near capacity, transfer 9/11 terror attacks, and the death toll in our country also has now eclipsed the total in patients. elmhurst got up to capacity, you had other public hospitals that china. had open beds. this, as three in four americans we have to get better and faster are under some sort of movement at transferring patients to restriction. virginia, maryland, and the other facilities, right? district of columbia also have ordered people to stay inside, a perfect system, everyone is at stay home. president trump maintaining there is no need for a national travel ban at the moment, but he is warning the next few weeks 51%. everybody's at 60%. everybody's at 80%. will be pivotal in our fight not some people are at 40% and against covid-19. some people are at 110%. that's not the way the system is organized right now. they all talk, you know. but they are different fiefdoms, different system.

you almost have to shock the system and saying, "okay, we are really going operate as one." >> if you see them my doing this just, basically demand it? >> yes, but no hospital is going to say "i want to be overcapacity." they just don't have the cooperation or the system to call someone up and say, "i'm drowning. i need to have somebody else accept 150 patients." and that's going to have to be managed into this it's it's something we never did before. we've never been here. normally you have beds, hospitals fighting for patients. because patients are revenue, right? so you never had a situation where they said, "i'm going to

send you patients." they wanted the patients, they wanted the revenue. so this is a much different situation. >> reporter: are patients being transferred to upstate hospitals yet? >> no. first, we have levels of, sort of, triage. first we are going to try and bring upstate staff down to new york state hospitals. that's one of the requests we are going to make today. you have upstate hospitals that are nowhere near capacity, send your staff down to new york city hospitals. the worst step, you are overcapacity in all new york city hospitals. he redistributed the load, you are still overcapacity, then send people to the upstate hospitals. is that right, howard? >> that's correct. >> reporter: how does the staffing work for union issues, who's paying for that to make decisions about whether -- >> it would all be voluntary.

we are all paying the cost, the hospitals are paying the cost, the state is paying the cost. i said to them, "frankly, we will figure out the cost." because this is about saving lives, and i'm not going to -- who pays the bill should not determine whether or not people ever die. so i said, "do whatever we have to do to save lives, and we'll figure out the bill afterwards." >> reporter: you said the state has 3,000 icu beds. how much has grown? you have 2700 people in the icu so far, leaving 300 beds. >> i said i needed 30,000. >> right, so how many do you have now? >> well, that's an interesting question. we have ordered 17,000 from china. that we would pay for. roughly $25,000 each. by the way, anyone who says,

"oh, you don't need that many ventilators, you are seeing 50,000 ventilators, you don't need that many, you don't really believe that many." you know how i know i really believe that number? because we are paying $25,000 per ventilator, and we are broke. and the last thing i want to do is buy a single ventilator that i don't need. the complexity with ventilators as we ordered 17,000 from china. so did california, so did illinois, so to the federal government, so digitally. what's happening is the orders into china are very slow in coming out. exactly how and why, we are not sure. it's just that they have such a tremendous demand. of the 17,000, we only have a firm expectation on 2500.

is that right? yes. we only have a firm expectation on 2500. >> reporter: when are those supposed to come and connect >> over the next two weeks. >> reporter: that means the icu capacity will hit -- >> yes, the ventilator capacity increases 2400. and i you see you the situation is essentially a bed with oxygen and a ventilator. but you can't have an icu bed in the situation without a ventilator. it depends if it's six weeks or 21 days. that's what we're dealing with. you can't accelerate the orders anymore from china. when we go back into a retrospective -- and i don't want to do it now -- look at the bizarre situation we wind up in. every state does its own

purchasing. new york is purchasing, california is purchasing, we are all trying to buy the same commodity. literally, the same exact item. so you have 50 states competing to buy the same item. we all wind up bidding of each other, and competing against you up and say, "well, california just outbid you." it's like being on ebay with 50 other states, bidding on a ventilator. you see the big go up, because california did come illinois bid, florida bid , new york's bids, california review bids. that's what we are doing how inefficient. and then, fema gets involved, and fema starts bidding. and now fema is bidding on top

of the 50. so fema is driving up the price. what sense does this make? the federal government, fema, should have been the purchasing agent, buy everything, and allocated by need to the states. why would you create a situation where the 50 states are competing with each other, and then the federal government, through fema, comes in and competes with the rest of us? >> reporter: how do noncoronavirus emergencies factor into these plans to better coordinate the health care system? presumably first responders are getting overwhelmed, heart attacks -- >> we are learning lessons, necessity is the mother of invention. we are learning things here that -- it is not that we are learning things here. anyone could have told you a lot of these things, right?

the situation i just explained with purchasing, did you really have to learn that 50 states shouldn't compete against 50 states, and fema shouldn't come in late and then compete with 50 states? you know, it's not like you had to go to the harvard kennedy school to learn this, right? should you really have a hospital system in new york state where you have private hospitals, you have struggling public hospitals, there is two separate systems. the upstate is separate, long island is separate. shouldn't you have planned a comprehensive system? yes. but, the commercial barriers to that, the political barriers ttf you didn't have a disaster, and emergency, you couldn't break through them.

the conversation i had with these hospital leaders yesterday, in that room, if it was not for the coronavirus, i would have never made it out of that room. i mean, what i was saying was so antithetical to the foundation of the business of health care in this state. which, by the way, is a multi, multibillion-dollar business. it was common sense. but sometimes you need the emergency to force change that would be very, very difficult otherwise. >> reporter: again, are there specific efforts to shore up the capacity of the health care system, to handle noncoronavirus-related emergencies? >> of the health care system is working on all those other areas, as well. regularly, pretty much every day, i've spoken to doctors and nurses who are working on the front lines. all those other patients,

whether they are heart attack or stroke, the situation continued to move forward. the system is stressed, but the patients are cared for. those of their emergencies are getting cared for, as well. it just puts a strain on the system. >> let me give you an analogy. if i said to you, "look, i know normally you right for for your outlet, and then there are other outlets. but we have a situation, and you are going to write, and you have to give it to all the other outlets. what you write is no longer just for your publication. you have to give it to all the other outlets, because we don't have ten people who can come. you have to write for everybody else." if i said that, forget it. if it were an emergency, and you were the only reporter there, then you would do it. that's true in so many different

situations, you are violating basic commercial rules here. and business rules, and practices. "i'm a local government, i'm in charge." ." you override all that garbage. you really need to need extraordinary times. >> reporter: [inaudible] there was questions about when the next possible -- if that moves forward. >> governor pritzker, he's a good man, he's a good friend of mine. he does a beautiful job. he's right. you will have curves, you have a new york curve, an illinois curve, you have a new orleans curve. how do you know the new york curve is going to end before the

illinois curve peaks? you don't. you don't for sure. you know, basically, there is going to be a spatial, sequential factor. but you don't know that we are going to be effectively done before illinois ramps up. so it can't be literally that new york has all the equipment, illinois has none, and then we run to illinois with the equipment. it can't be that literal. but, essentially, it would work. right? and the alternative is also true. not everybody should have to buy everything. once we get through this, and we have whatever we wind up with, 15,000 ventilators and 15,000 ventilators splitters, 1100 by

paps, if we can help somebody else come help somebody else. >> reporter: new york city police officers called in sick this morning. are you worried about staffing law enforcement in new york city? conversely, would you consider sending state police to help with that worried about staffin, yes. my word, yes. you'll see it with health care workers, for all first responders. back to my brother chris. yes, if you are out there, your chance of getting infected is very high. yes, we will do whatever we need. if we need state police, i would do that. because you talked about forming some sort of consortium is that still possible? >> what's happening, nick, is it is almost impossible to buy a ventilator.

to the extent anyone is successful in buying ventilato ventilators, fema basically came in and is now capturing the market. because the ventilators are coming out of china, and fema basically bigfooted the states and china. so, to the extent that anyone is buying it, it's fema. and that's why the federal distribution is going to be so important. because they are the only ones -- i can't buy a ventilator. i can't buy a ventilator. whatever we are willing to pay, i can't buy a ventilator. so it really comes down to how the federal government distributes it. that's why it's so important. let's do someone who hasn't asked a question. putter governor, what happens when the statements out of ventilators ? >> when the state runs out of ventilators, were to write a

decide to get one? >> reporter: [inaudible] >> i don't even want to think about that consequence. i want to do everything i can, for as many ventilators as we need. >> reporter: [inaudible] >> 7-21 days. there is no protocol, we are working to get as many ventilators. and we have, now, a number of options. we are looking at all the ventilators all across the sta state. we are then redeploying anesthesia machines as ventilators, by changing the vent. we are then doing this ventilator-splitting, which effectively turns one ventilator into two by literally running two tubes. we are using -- north will developed an idea to use a bipap machine, we've ordered 7,000 of those. so we are still in it. we are creative and we are

working and figuring it out, and i still am hopeful that at the end of the day we have what we need. >> reporter: i don't know if you consider this on-topic, many think it is. do you plan on signing extension bills so state employees will get paid on time? >> i plan on signing a budget. rob, can the state employees -- when we pass a budget, we pass a budget on congress, employees get paid. right? >> yes, the controller currently has legal authorities to make payments now. the payments due tomorrow and today, those are actually for payroll from two weeks ago. so the controller presently has the authority, they have a technical issue with their computer system that they need to deal with, but they have the authority to make those payments today. it has nothing to do with when the budget is passed. the budget has always passed on the 31st or the first of each year.

>> reporter: even though the pay period begins in the next fiscal year? >> they have significant authority to make those payments presently. >> is going to be delayed the way the pay period fell, right? >> it has nothing to do with where the pay period fell. they have full legal and appropriate of authority to make the payments. >> never not pay the state employees. even when the budget was late. >> reporter: what is the update of the budget at this point? >> no update. see how easy? [laughter] it's either coming or it's not coming. we are where we are. the numbers are what the numbers are. the numbers don't lie. the numbers leave you few alternatives. the federal government says they are going to provide funding. if they provide the funding, and the next few months we should

have some additional money. but am i going to say to the people of the state, "i believe the federal government is going to deliver money to the state government?" heard it before, and it didn't happen. so i'm not going to count on money that we don't have. especially when the political process is the process that is supposed to deliver the money. >> reporter: and it looks like there won't be a new release bill anytime soon, at least by tomorrow. what options, what spending -- [inaudible] >> it's interesting, because it's all basically contingent. we do a budget on the projections we now have. if we get more funding, we increase the allocations. if we don't get more funding, we reduce the allocations. that's basically what the budget says, right?

it is essentially honest and transparent in a way. i'm starting the year, i'm earning $15,000 a year. i don't know what i can pay you, because i don't know what i'll be earning as we go through the year. the boss tells me he's going to give me a raise. i don't know if i should believe him or not. some people say there's going to be a cut. i don't really know. so, here's the budget. i'm making $15,000, if i get a raise, i will give you the raise, quarterly, as i get it. if i get cut, i will give you less, quarterly, as i get cut. that's all you can do. >> reporter: do they give you that authority? >> i don't care who does, let them come and cut a budget. [laughs] do you really believe they want

to come back here and cut the budget? i give them total authority to cut the budget. [laughs] come back and tell me to cut the budget! >> reporter: is the unappointment system working as smoothly as you'd like to see? >> no, it is not working as smoothly as i'd like to see it. it is compounding people's straight stomach stress. you're unemployed, you are trying to get onto some darn website, you can't get on the website. we have companies working on it, we have literally hundreds of people working on it. >> melissa: we have been listening to new york governor cuomo there, and has update on the state of new york, where we have now lost more than 1,000 new yorkers to this virus. saying, among other things, that he is inviting and in fact begging health care workers from anywhere else in the country to come here and help us. that this thing is about to fan out and we will return the favor later when the coronavirus strikes your state.

dr. marc siegel is with us this hour. dr. siegel, i mean, how realistic is it to ask people from other parts of the country to come help? is there any danger in that? >> dr. siegel: well, there's an issue of state licensure, but i actually like the sentiment a lot, melissa. i want to give you an overall picture, here. one of the questions he was asked was about upstate new york, and clearly we need help here in new york from our upstate hospital system right now. i think that's a very good idea that was briefly mentioned. i think one of the things we have to do in new york right now, in new york city, is to figure out how to triage better. if you consider that we have 3,000 beds opening up in the javits center, a 1000-bed navy ship off the shore now, and a field hospital being built in central park, we have to figure out how to get people out of the way of those who are most sick with covid-19. so that they can have the icu beds and they can have the ventilators. the governor also talked about

the ventilator situation. i want to give you an idea on that. there's 100,000 basic ventilators in the united states. 68,000 full-service ventilators, with everything, all bells and whistles. 9800 national stockpile ventilators. he was talking about how there are orders in from china, 17,000 ventilators, but all the states are competing, and fema is also ordering at the same time. so i definitely think -- i don't want to get into the politics of this, but we definitely need a coordinated national effort, both in terms of supplies for the hospitals and health care workers, beds for the hospitals, and ventilators for the patients that need them the most. they are basing a lot of things on the italy model. we don't know if we will need all of these ventilators, thou though. >> melissa: vi. the problem with that, katie, then you have someone in the federal government deciding which community gets wet. i mean, i don't know. you are deciding which state needs it the most, is that fair?

is that right? >> katie: i think you could make the argument that new york is the epicenter and has the most cases and is dealing with this in a crisis right now, but then you also see -- and dr. siegel i think and speak to this -- this is moving across the country. in terms of personnel, medical personnel's, you see new york take residence in their last year and bump them up essentialy to dr. status to help with the lack of health care providers. each police is different new york city will look different than new orleans, and new orleans will look different then, may become a phoenix, arizona. to say the federal government should nationalize the supply chain and decide who gets wet at what time is very difficult when it can have local leaders, whether they are governors or heads of hospitals, both public and private, making decisions about what they have, with their local capacity is, big

government one-size-fits-all policies do not wear again they are incredibly bureaucratic. local control, i think, is important. this is something president trump has tried to keep the line on. "we won't nationalize companies wif we think we don't have to." for example, remington, based in new york, has a million square feet of unused warehouse in new york. they have offered that space to the governor to use to build ventilators. local companies helping local governments and hospitals is a much more efficient way to get them the supplies they need. both logistically and just in terms of the number of things they need. >> melissa: okay. harris, i heard the governor of florida saying yesterday, "i'm not asking the president to do my job for me." when they were saying the federal government, we heard governor cuomo talking about this. to prepare your own

>> harris: yes, i hear that. i think the top line out of this news conference, though -- and be seated on screen for the last 20 minutes -- it's a definite headline. i've just reached out to fema now. the governor, you know, really leveled quite a charge of their by saying that fema is bidding, is in this process bidding and driving up the cost of ventilators. i think of that fact needs to be investigated a bit, just so we know what exactly is happening. because you will need a coordinated national level if you have an arm of the administration in the bidding process, as you have states trying to acquire particularly -- i would broaden it out. it is new jersey, as well. there are other sort of, if you will, epicenter around new york. there are various, because of our proximity, how big that epicenter can be looked at. you have thousands of needs now

and hospitals. i lean on you, dr. siegel, more coordinated out top level effort right now, just with this one issue of equipment, would be helpful. if this fema information is as solid as it looks and sounds today. again, this is a moving target. i don't know what the governor knows or how much he knows, but i do think -- and that's why i've reached out to fema now -- that is something that is worth knowing. if they are in the bidding process. doing all the good they are doing, and trying to do, if that's having even a tiny bit of negative effect in terms of the prices. >> dr. siegel: yeah, i think, harris, we need a coordinated effort. but i also agree with katie that it should be somewhat voluntary. it does start with the states, but, in the end, we don't want to grandstand here and say, "hey, we need all of this," and then the epicenter moves to another city that goes without.

>> harris: agreed. >> dr. siegel: its couple katie. politics can't play a role, it can't all be based on mathematical modeling. it has to be based on what's really happening on the ground. >> melissa: i wouldn't doubt for a second that fema is in there bidding on this, because everyone is trying to acquire supplies at the same time. they even set of the national level that localities should be out there trying to source. so i don't know that it would be surprising. certainly some coordination would help, but it's difficult. all right, about three quarters of the american public told to stay at home. whether it's time for a national mandate to keep everyone inside. that debate is coming up next. ♪ according to her daughter, she spends too much time on the internet. according to the census, she just needs a few minutes more. the census is now online. and by answering a few simple questions, you'll help inform where public funding will get distributed for things like healthcare, community centers, public transit and more. then you can get back to whatever you were doing in no time at all.

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now virginia, maryland, and the district of columbia have issued stay at. virginia is effective through june 10th. all this, three and four americans are now facing some k. is it working, is my big question. carley shimkus, i know you've been following the news on all of this, in different municipalities that are trying to say at home or at least have a schedule. >> carley: "the new york times" published this interesting study. they found the national fever level has decreased since the stay-at-home orders have gone into effect. we are doing the right thing by that study, despite the fact that these rules are pretty stringent. one of the questions that keeps popping up, because different governors are doing different things, should the president order a national stay-at-home

order? and will he? i think the answer to the "will he" aspect is now. the president has been pretty reluctant to use the heavy hand of the federal government. he wants states and local municipalities to do the right thing and issue their own orders. i think that he is right o on te money with that one. why should the federal government step in when it is certain state and local governments' jobs to make sure to issue the order is that they see fit? >> harris: dr. siegel, we often talk, you and i, about treating the whole patient top-down. there is such a psychological effect, maybe even a sense of relief, when you are the president of the united states give a date like april 30th. because now you know that those national guidelines and where they fit -- and as carly's pointing out, you may have some in your local municipalities and counties and states, but that april 30th gives you at least something to keep your eye on.

but the totality of living at home with people out of work sometimes domestic situations that are not conve be. s before. lot to look at with