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the vast majority of people. then you see the insane people and interestingly the same people for the last three and a half years. deranged. all right, thank you for being with us. always fair, looking for the truth. not the media mob. let not your heart be troubled. laura, you've been having great shows. >> laura: data with you, hannity. i can't believe alec baldwin -- wasn't he supposed to move when bush was president? like, wasn't he supposed to be gone when bush got reelected? that was 2,004. >> sean: i will pay, i will pay. i will hire a jet to get into the country of his choice with the promise he can't come back. >> laura: that's the only way he flies, hannity. come on. you don't think he hops on like the rest of us. all right, sean, fantastic show. greagreat to see you. all right, i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. the economy is crashing, we all see that. people are still dying. so it's time to get congress back to work so they can help figure this all out.
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but will they? senator john barrasso and congressman devin nunes are here. plus the mayor of d.c. is threatening to arrest people for going outside. i'm serious. dinesh d'souza and governor mike huckabee expose the left's latest attempt to make your life miserable. and dr. judi from the doctors joins us later in the hour on what a deep recession could mean for your mental health. but first america and shut down, day 15. today we lost more than 800 americans who tested positive for the coronavirus. that's the largest single day number since this nightmare began. a stunning three quarters of our fellow citizens are living under some sort of stay-at-home order issued by state governors. new york governor andrew cuomo, while noting that they are not at the cove at apex yet, did offer some encouraging news. >> we are testing more people than any state in the country
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and we are very proud of that. more per capita than china and south korea, number of integrations was down. not much but it was down. that's a good sign. you also see the number of discharges going up. that's consistent. >> laura: the numbers in washington stay and even california are also offering some hope. >> the slide that gives us great hope and understanding about what is possible. on the bottom of the slide where you can barely see the blue line of the very bottom, that's the current cases in california. cumulative cases in california. they are doing significant testing. the next line up is connecticut. the orange line is new jersey. the blue line is new york. the yellow line is washington. >> laura: well, that's encouraging graphs in the states where you see those improvemen
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improvements. tomorrow is only april 1st, and many of you want more answers. given the massive disruptions to life, huge financial toll, the loss of our basic liberties, americans dying, more asking why the models for tracking the disease in some cases have been so far off. now the folks at 5:30 eight have a theory. there is also the issue they are of uncollected or inaccurate data to determine the fatality rates, you have to divide the number of people who have died from the disease by the number of people infected with the disease. in this case we really don't have a reliable account for the number of people infected, so to put it mathematically, we don't know the denominator. now we already know that some of the early data from the imperial college which the u.s. and the u.k. was using to model its early numbers was off by many factors. but of course most americans,
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they don't have the time to dig into the underlying data so of course they rely in good faith on the experts. dr. anthony fauci talked a lot today about their various models. the models they rely on to inform the mitigation strategy. >> that's what the model tells you it's going to do. what we do is that every time we get more data, you feed it back in and re-look at the model. is the model really telling you with actually going on? models as are as good as the assumptions you put into them. even though it says according to the model, which is a good model, that we are dealing with, this is mitigation. as we get more data and the weeks go by, that could be modified. >> laura: that could be modified one way or another. and indeed the mortality rate projections already have been modified. now the death rate from covid-19 is likely around 0.66%. it's counting the mild or asymptomatic cases according to a new study.
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now past estimates had placed the mortality rate somewhere between 2% and an unbelievably 3.4% which would be devastating. then another study in the journal nature medicine brought it down by almost half to around 1.4% mortality. but in this new study, researchers dug deep into the data to determine the true infection fatality ratio. that's the mortality rate that includes the people with mild cases and sometimes not symptomatic at all, who may have not been counted before. it's really interesting. now the death rate varied greatly by age. zero 29-year-olds, .0016%. age 80 and of love, it was 7.8%. other age groups in there as well. a renowned mathematician quoted in the study noted that the infection fatality ratio is a very important piece of data.
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it will help guide the response from various government and public health authorities worldwide. again, what we are saying on "the ingraham angle" is the data matters. matters to all of us. real facts, real science. we shouldn't be referring to old data that's already been disproven. because that only ends up scaring people and then confusing a lot of people who actually deserve transparency and a full accounting. now also my message to pelosi and company was -- her nasty assigns over the weekend, i got a huge reaction last night. it bears repeating tonight. we all hear a lot about a whole of government approach, most every day we hear whole of government. so i have a question. why is congress out of session. do you know that congress stayed in session during the spanish flu? also during world war ii. we are told this battle against covid is a war and the government's response to it has
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resulted in millions and millions of americans losing their jobs and their dreams. and in an attempt to try to bring down the curve. tens of thousands of americans could die tragically still from covid. we all want to save more lives. we want to do everything we can. but we also at the same time and it's a heavy lift, it's a lot of balancing here. we have to give americans a realistic sense of achievable metrics to measure success in the end. so all the graphs, they are informative and they are nice to see but we have to know that parents are asking tonight, what numbers will it take for their kids can go back to school at some point? maybe next month, month after, may be in the fall. what numbers will it take and what numbers will it take for americans to return to church? it's really important for a lot of americans to be able to go to church every week. what about travel? what numbers will it take for us to be able to travel, even to another state to see a relative.
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what about going back to work? that's assuming the job that someone had last month will even be there next month, the month after or sometime in june. asking these questions, safeguarding our health and welfare and our liberties is what all three branches of government, this is what our founders understood, the brilliance of our founders. they understood that you needed all three branches working together and they should be right now, checks and balances, of course. we all love and value the doctors and all the health care professionals that are just heroes tonight. but we also love our freedom. and our ability to support our family. so how likely is it that on april 25 we might hear that oh, really need to shut down to the early part of june in order to bend the curve even more. we better get ready for that message earlier, not later. we should discuss those metrics now, not in three weeks.
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>> mitigation steps that are on your 30 day plan, is that enough? or is more needed? >> we are going to find out. we hope it's enough. we hope it's enough. we hope we are at a level where we can say let's go, because our country wants to get back to work. i could ask the doctors to answer that question. >> laura: again, back to the level, the to the numbers. speaking of doctors, this is what sergey grouped aside today. >> what we have been seeing in terms of the way this information, these recommendations have sort of been rolled out is that they are coming out somewhat piecemeal, right? the first it was a couple weeks and now it's been extended in another month. i had a chance to speak to dr. fauci today, i interviewed him for our podcast. i should have asked that question. is this part of the strategy to slowly ease the country into these existing and deepening or at least lengthening guidelines. he sort of sad well, yeah, we
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don't want to shock people with this. we want to at the data but the data certainly suggesting it's likely to goad on beyond april 30. >> laura: okay. okay. did you hear that? beyond april 30. you've heard of mission creep? we might be looking at shut down great. shutting down the country until mid-summer? that's what we are all hearing. it would invariably prevent a lot of covid-19 deaths. that would be a great thing. so would shutting down for the entire year. but americans, like the doctor, they need to know what objective success looks like. and whether it's even achievable within any reasonable time fra time frame. and at what cost to our families future and to your basic civil liberties. that said, despite the media's best efforts today, the president knows that there are promising therapeuti therapy isy being used right now. >> hydroxychloroquine, is there
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any data on these trials? >> nothing that i've heard. that's the first question every morning. the good news is we haven't heard anything bad. in other words, there's been no catastrophic events. i want to give people hope. i am a cheerleader for the country. so it's easy to be negative. and then everybody can be negative but i'm a cheerleader for our country. i want to do a great job. the number can be kept and i've always said, i want as few a number of people to die as possible. that's all we're working on. >> laura: he also said america wants to get back, meaning get back to work. trump is doing exactly what he should be doing. he is consulting with the scientists, listening to all the stakeholders, including the american citizens. and he is confidently reminding us that no matter what the challenge, you that america is up for it. and those are my thoughts at the end of the shut down, day 15. all right, joining me now as jeff colyer, former arkansas governor, and the chair of the
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national advisory committee on n services, also with me, doctor, cardiologist and ceo. dr. collier, you are a physician and you been a governor, how do you weigh the costs and benefits now or what we're doing today to try to flatten the curve, save lives, but also as the president said, give people hope that these are objective metrics that can be met in some reasonable amount of time. >> you know, we are at a time when we are seeing signs playing out before our eyes. we are really starting to get a better view of what these numbers look like, what those curves are starting to bend and how they bend. so while we have a few questions, we have lots of questions here, we are starting to see things with a little more clarity. we are starting to see things that work. we are starting to see what therapies may be out there but
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are really trying to help us. >> laura: dr. fauci said today about hydroxychloroquine, and we will play it, he was asked again, like the president was discussing about what about the merits of these therapies. this is what dr. fauci said. >> we are rushing this stuff through. it was supposed to take a long time to be approved. i prevailed upon the fda to get it approved immediately on the basis that it was already on the market for a lot of years. it would be a total game chang game changer. >> the whole menu of drugs and interventions that are now going into clinical trials that are not approved for anything yet. the drug that you want to show in a good randomized clinical trial, and very best, it's going to take months. >> laura: at very best they're going to take months, doctor. these therapies are being used now all over the united states and indeed all over the world,
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are they not? >> absolutely they are and i think the dr. fauci doesn't seem to appreciate that like in polio, we don't have time to do beautiful randomized clinical trials. we know these drugs have a very good safety margin. very specific, hydroxychloroquine, the major risk factor is that it can cause ekg abnormalities. that is something that is easily monitored. these drugs are clearly effective and safe. they have been around for a long time. they are cheap. they're easy to access. our biggest problem, however, with hydroxychloroquine may be getting enough of it. i think we have to think about how we upscale production. the other thing we need to think about is potentially prophylactic health care worke workers. with low doses of hydroxychloroquine to prevent them from getting in trouble and getting infected. >> laura: dr. collier, i've been hearing this for my medicine cabinets as i like to call a lot of you guys, for
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days and days. that physicians themselves are taking hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic against themselves coming down with this virus. and perhaps getting seriously ill. dr. collier, what about that? they are prescribing it to themselves. it's already happening. >> it's already happening. there are patients that are very high risk. you made an intubation in the field with the covid patient. you don't have ppe. you have to give people some options. in a responsible way, we are seeing people working. there is a study but we are also seeing people using it appropriately. we are also seeing that if you treat people early in this illness, then they do recover. we have the numbers from france for example. 78 out of 80 hospitalized patients treated early, all returned home. >> laura: doctor, a new study
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that came out just today, tonight. the cdc's numbers, they did a survey, we will put it up on the screen, about comorbidities and the virus. again, just came out, 78% of icu patients with covid-19 have at least one underlying health problem. 32%, diabetes, 29% cardiovascular, lung disease, long-term kidney disease. diabetes seems to be a significant driver. again, they are going to do an even bigger survey but this was a significant number of people that they have already looked at. what are your thoughts on that? >> welcome i think my thoughts are that we also don't include so-called prediabetes here. but clearly diabetes is problematic. this will not be the last study that shows this. i think it means that we need to engage in major lifestyle changes. where we are not diabetic anymore. remember half the people over the age of 65 qualifies as type
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two diabetic, our diets are terrible. and that leads to dramatically change going forward. >> laura: dr. collier, do those numbers surprising because a lot of the european physicians writing this research paper sayf covid-19 or in some cases are they dying with covid-19? i'm not a doctor. i don't really know what that meant but it's interesting regarded the comorbidity, doctor, final thought. >> there are a lot of things going on when you have diabetes or these other illnesses. a human is a fragile machine. if everything is -- if one thing is out of balance, whether it's your sugar or your kidneys or your lungs or your heart, just a little bit can throw people over the edge. that's why we really need more studies. we need more therapy for people early on. >> laura: yeah, and we will i think have in the coming days and i hope very soon more
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details on that aspect of it. doctors, it's great to see you both tonight. thank you both for what you do on a daily basis. we really appreciate it. the coronavirus lockdown is already costing of course millions of americans their jobs and businesses. we've never seen numbers like this but some industries are being harder hit than others. my next guest is a major hotel ceo who says he has had to cut 95% of his 7,000 employees. monty is the chairman and ceo. he joins me now. are you going to be able to bring back these employees if this goes beyond, much beyond april 30? >> >> i sure hope so. this industry is one that takes a long time to recover. even 9/11 or the financial crisis, took us five years and eight years respectively to fully recover from those calamities.
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this tragedy is worse than those to put together times ten. it's an absolute disaster for our industry. morgan stanley recently put out a note that u.s. hotels are the hardest hit industry. in our business, revenues are 10% above plan, you do very, very well. if you are 10% below plan, you do very poorly. our revenues are 90% below last year. the whole industry. a disaster like we've never se seen. >> laura: monte, each business represents dozens and dozens of families, small businesses, and then it goes and in your case to hundreds and thousands of families who are impacted. what are the kinds of messages they are giving you and desire for some certainty to the extent anyone can get certainty in these times. >> a good bit of my time over the past couple weeks has been talking to my associates, many of whom have worked for me for
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30 years. it's just heartbreaking, as they asked when can they come back to work? when will things pick back up and i have to tell them i just have no idea. we just don't know. but if it's like these other crises, less the government acts, it's going to be a very slow recovery which is not in anybody's best interest. but i've got the same of all the phone calls and i've gotten in messages and texts from my people, every single one of them, everyone, were messages of gratefulness and faithfulness. even though these people were just furloughed or laid off. it tells you the character of so many americans. it's just been really rewarding in that regard, but at the same time, very heartbreaking for me personally because i know a lot of these people are going to be going through very, very tough times. >> laura: and monty, when you respond to people and say well, look, the virus doesn't have a deadline, doesn't have a timetable, so we can even talk about business at this point, we
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shouldn't even be talking about it. you can't give anybody a date certain. what do you say to that? >> that's exactly right. there is no -- what would be terrible is if we didn't really stomp out this virus but that we kind of took some pat measures and didn't fully go away and then it's reared its head again and we go through all of this again. it might come back again. >> laura: no, no. >> that would be beyond a disaster. we've got to take this opportunity to squelch this down and get rid of it once and for all. and then embark on a recovery. that's the only will we can do this. >> laura: monte, thank you so much for sharing your story. we're going to bring in a lot of business leaders like you. small, medium and large size companies. thank you so much for being here tonight. >> you bet. thank you, laura. >> laura: up ahead we at the "the ingraham angle" are demanding, demanding that congress come back to deal with this coronavirus. will they?
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vaccine tested, done, design, and ready to go as soon as possible, so we can go back to being a free country, if that's the metric, then we all need to know that now. so last night i called on congress to come back. come back to d.c. do your job. be part of the whole of government approach. if that means allocating more money to get a vaccine on the market faster, then so be it. president trump says this is a war. so let's act like it. now as i said earlier, congress was in session almost continuously throughout world war ii. and during most of the disease pandemic in recent history. of course the 1918 spanish flu were members of congress state on capitol hill to pass vital public health legislation. they put their lives on the line literally. that outbreak actually killed a handful of lawmakers. joining me now is senator and doctor, an old friend, senator john barrasso. a wyoming. and congressman devin nunes.
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senator, you're a physician. every time someone has an ache and pain on capitol hill, they call you up here why not have congress come back to ask some of these questions about the metrics that we are using come of the studies were using. given what's at stake for our country if this shutdown goes on much passed april 30. >> the president called me this morning and his number one concern of course is the health and safety of the american people. and we have just passed the largest bill in the history of the united states that the president signed, the cares act, aimed at providing our medical caregivers every thing they need to, taking care of our families, our small businesses, and our hard-hit sectors. what we need to do is make sure that is implement improperly. the last thing we need to do is to pass another bill on top of that. we need to make sure and i'm visiting with hospital administrators and doctors in wyoming, small business owners, this is where we i need to be
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making sure that this too trillion dollar bill is implemented properly. >> laura: congressman nunes, you heard that during the pandemic of 1918 during world war ii, congress was in session almost continuously. very few breaks. i know everybody wants to get home with their families but i mean, we have americans who are freaking out either from getting this disease, virus, or from losing her job and never getting it back. and they're not sure what the ultimate success rate will look like and they are legitimate questions. thoughts. >> well, look, i think it's important that we get back as soon as possible. but as senator burr also said, right now we still have an issue that most people and employers and employees don't understand that employers get two weeks of sick leave, still t of businesses still have not implemented that. that's a way to keep two weeks
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of everybody still working. that's part of the money that we did in phase one. people don't understand that. and in phase two that we just passed last week, two and a half times the payroll that businesses can go on borrow and get that money ultimately turned into a grant. so i am dealing with all of these issues trying to get this message out. i think quite frankly all of america's politicians and the media could stop looking at the death counters and i think you're very right. we need to look at the death rate. see what that's going to do. we need a lot more data. let's stop looking at the death counters and let's talk about how we can keep as many people employed as possible. that's the key right now, laura, because if you don't, we said earlier is correct. when you have people staying at home, not taking care of themselves, you will end up with a hell of a lot more people dying by other causes then you will buy the coronavirus. >> laura: senator burr also, there was a moment at yesterday's press briefing that
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a lot of people had their eyebrows raised after watching it. i want to play it for you. watch. >> the road map also talks about doing gps for social distancing, maybe following people's phones and hotels for isolation for people. giving them free hotel rooms. are those ideas that you're looking out? speak of the gps is a very severe idea. i've been hearing about it. gps, siren goes off you go close to somebody? that's pretty severe. i just received, i received it a little while ago. >> laura: talking about the road map to recovery. the former commissioner wrote. part of that road map included a possible gps tracking, senator barrasso, of individuals under the state lockdown orders. do you support in any way the
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administration ever going even close to that. the president certainly didn't seem to believe that would be something we would require. >> i agree with the president, no i don't think we ought to go that way. this coronavirus has impacted the lives and the livelihoods of so many. it should not impede on our liberties as american citizens. i would be opposed to what they are doing. they are talking about doing that in europe. that's been written about. i can imagine the american people would be willing to do that. the most important thing we can do and you have been really good at pointing this out in terms of jumping ahead of this, doing the kind of research that's being done with all of these different medicines. there are five different medicines being tested, not the old scientific double-blind give them a sugar pill approach. see what's working in the field, even if it isn't a cure. these are medicines that are available and we know they are safe because people have been taking them for years and even if they don't give a full cure,
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if they can lessen the symptoms or get somebody back and healthy sooner, i think that's going to be the breakthrough much sooner than a vaccine which even the quickest vaccine can take two or three years to develop. >> laura: back to the gottlieb road map. dr. fauci, they are tight and they rely on gottlieb's advice. he said we can't go back to a normal life until we have a vaccine. that's basically what he said. that would be not going back to normal life, congressman nunes, for 12 months. which if parents across the country are hearing that, and workers, they are going to be showing up in washington, even if you all aren't here. they're going to be coming to washington to send you a message. >> that's not going to work. the schools were canceled here in california which is way overkill. it's possible kids could've went back to school in two weeks to four weeks but they just canceled the rest of the schools. sobel, i'm optimistic here. i think that the drugs that are on the market now, look how
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quick we were able to get this approved, this new malaria drug. that you have been talking about every night. there's a lot of optimism here that we have in some of these drugs that are coming online. the vaccines are going to take a while but look, we have this bill that we just passed last week, $2.2 trillion worth, we have to focus on keeping people employed. i will tell you this. if we don't start to get people back to work in this country over the next week to two weeks, i don't believe we can wait until the end of april. i just don't know of any economy that's ever survived or you unplug the entire economy and expect things to go back and be normal. so the more tests that are out there, the more people getting testing, let's learn about the treatments. let's get good data as to who is being impacted and let's figure out a way to get back to work. >> laura: all right. senator and dr. barrasso and congressman nunes, great to see you both. stay safe out there. >> good to be with you. speak to the left is using the
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>> laura: the left pushed for the release of thousands of prison inmates during this covid-19 crisis. then they wanted to shut down the gun stores. do you feel safe? now the liberal mayor of d.c., is threatening to throw people in jail for the crime of going outside. during the coronavirus lockdown. if you're doing drugs, your find on the streets of d.c. >> will have to issue fines and jail penalties because we expect the people of the district of columbia to comply. we do of course have penalties at our disposal but i don't expect we will have to use them. that is certainly my hope.
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the point of the whole thing is for people to stay at home. >> laura: she hopes they don't have to use this. she doesn't want you to -- want to throw you in jail for 90 days but she will if she has to. joining me now, dinesh d'souza, conservative filmmaker and upcoming of the up coming book "united states of socialism. "former arkansas governor, fox news contributor, mike huckabee. great to see both of you. dinesh, i have to get into this, the aclu has filed suit in dealing with the coronavirus response. a friend of mine said today where have all the civil libertarians gone? when people on the shutdown orders and basically aren't able to exercise many of their constitutional rights. where are the civil libertarians? >> yeah, without minimizing the seriousness of the epidemic, without recognizing that this is a global crisis, recognizing
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that we've never had medical tents in central park as far as i know, we are not trying to understate it. at the same time we are a country under a constitution. the right to assemble, the right to free speech, the right to religious freedom. what strikes me as amazing is the blithe way in which mayors and elected officials are talking about of bridging these rights at wind. here is de blasio. you know, fica church having services, i'm not going to just shut it down now, i'm going to shut it down permanently. would he say that if he was talking about planned parenthood? if icf planned parenthood clinic offering services, when shut them down permanently? he would never do that. i think we are seeing an animus against constitutional rights. coming out and using the virus and using the epidemic as a pretext to deny citizens their basic liberty. >> laura: again, governor huckabee, we want everyone to be safe and we want to save as many lives as
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possible. we all know that. all the doctors and nurses, everyone doing yeoman's work on the front line but we do have at this moment have to ask some of these questions and also hold some of these governors under the spotlight. where are the state legislatures? are there ever going to meet during this crisis are they going to let the governor do whatever they want? governor ralph northam issued an executive order yesterday shutting down virginia through june 10th. [laughs] governor huckabee. and the republican primary is june 9. i'm sure there's just a coincidence. it builds on another order of his which says protecting the health and ensuring the safety of every virginian is my highest priority. just to remind everyone, northam is the same governor who a year ago said this. >> if a mother is in labor, i can tell you exactly what would happen. the infant would be delivered. the infant would be kept comfortable.
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the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. >> laura: governor, so he wants to protect lives except he's in favor of infanticide. >> yeah, it's the most ironic thing i've ever heard. he doesn't want people in virginia had to be able to have personal protection so that they can protect themselves against looting or crime. so he wants to shut the gun stores down. he wants to keep the abortion clinics running. that's not an essential service. it's a killing service. but he somehow believes that, you know, it's absolutely necessary to make sure we can kill babies and he's going to shut the economy of virginia down for a length of time that is not based on anybody's recommendation, not dr. fauci, not dr. birx, not anyone that i know of. except he's just smarter than the rest of us and that's what he's doing. >> laura: remember the g.o.p.
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primary is june 9th. we have to remember that as well. now, dinesh, it looks like businesses across the country, especially given what huckabee just said, people are getting ready for perhaps needing to protect themselves or their property. they are preparing for civil unrest. look at the boarded-up storefronts in places in chicago. in beverly hills. picking up a video of this all day long that they are not preparing for hurricane. they are preparing for what seems to be looting if this thing goes on much past, you know, when the weather starts getting warm. dinesh, thoughts on that. >> well, there's a rational fear of the epidemic but there's also a rational fear of what happens when civic order breaks down, when there's a certain level of economic collapse when things go haywire and when you are releasing criminals on the street because you can't take care of them in confined facilities, then citizens demand to know they can protect themselves, how they can buy a
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gun for example. now the important thing about the constitutional rights of ours that they are not up for a democratic referendum. even elected majorities, not to mention elected officials, have no right to take away these basic rights. in fact according to our founders, we never ceded them to government in the first place. i therefore the idea that governments can sort of lively say listen, we will take away your religious freedom or we'll take away your second amendment rights, we will put aside your fourth amendment rights right now because things are kind of hairy, this i think he is much liberty in order to purchase that kind of illusory security. >> laura: governor huckabee, i know people are, they are afraid to ask questions now. in a way, sometimes when i hear people talking, i just -- they blindly say we can do this. if we have to go through september, if we have to go through november. i actually heard someone say if we have to miss christmas to make sure we flatten the curve, we have to miss christmas. i was like, i don't even believe
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i'm hearing these things. what are you talking about? people have to ask these questions. what are the metrics? how do we achieve the metric, is it reasonable. balance the risk. that's what the president is basically trying to say. >> i think the president is taking the right approach. he said let's get back to business as soon as we can. he was criticized he said because we wanted to get back by easter but he himself has said we are not going to be ready by then. he is listening to the people who are the public health experts. that's important. we just don't know. i agree with dinesh. we have to take this seriously but we also have to balance it with basic fundamental american rights. a pastor in tampa, dr. harold brown, was actually arrested yesterday, arrested because his church had service on sunday in tampa despite the fact that they took extraordinary measures to try to social distancing, disinfect everyone, including
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the church. i'm not sure that was the best decision but people have a right to do certain things even if i don't agree with it. to be arrested for having church? that's kind of a frightening thing. and i'm not sure we would want to go there. >> laura: dinesh, an email i got today was, so we can't go back to church until the doctor say it's okay? i mean. i mean, that's something people need to chat about a little bit. dinesh. >> i agree. i think that our health and our safety is important to us, but so is our religious freedom. so without property. so are our economic prospects for the future. now when you look at a lot of the stuff that says things like the curve isn't flattening in the cases keep going up, of course the cases are going up because we are testing more. so this is not an artificial -- it's not a case of incidents rising as in exponential rate, it may be our knowledge of the cases. an important distinction between our knowledge what's going on
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and what is actually going on. those are two very different curves. >> laura: yeah, want to protect human life. we want to protect the elderly and the vulnerable, protect as many people as weekend and also on the other side of this nature we still have our constitutional rights. gentlemen, great discussion. thank you so much. head, dr. judy from "the doctors" breaks off what layoffs and weeks of pointing could mean for americans mental health and what you can do about it. don't go away.
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>> laura: you probably know this but the coronavirus is putting millions of americans and their families in dire financial straits. take a look for yourself. >> i've been pretty good about holding it together and i just finally broke down and cried. you have to think about what is in the bank account. how you can start paying bills. >> i'm not making any money right now. >> if i am in the negative i just won't get up. >> stressed out financially. not having a home. >> laura: we know the effects that mass layoffs and lockdowns can have on the economy, devastating. what about mental health? joining me now is dr. judy ho,
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cohost of "the doctors." host of a podcast. what we are facing isn't just mass layoffs what millions of people are basically stuck at home. what could that due to their mental state? >> human beings are not meant to be at home and they are not meant to isolate here we know the research now that social isolation and the perception of loneliness can have detrimental mental and physical effects. so we have to be proactive here because if we just allow ourselves to stay at home and perhaps engage in defeatist thinking, fall out of structure, then we're going to feel more depressed. we're going to have -- be more irritable and fight with our families and our spouses. we need to do something to change the situation, and change our mind-set. >> laura: doctor, there was a study done a couple years ago about the 2008 financial crisis by the university of oxford. published in the british journal of psychiatry. it linked a 10,000 person
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increase in suicides to that economic crisis and the data was disturbing. we haven't really talked about that because we are dealing with the immediacy of this crisis but those lives are real. that desperation is real. >> that's exactly right, laura. the desperation is linked to idea of hopelessness and when people feel hopeless, they feel like things are not going to change and that they are powerless to change it and right now there are too many unknowns. the human mind is not good with unknowns. when faced with so many unknowns, the anxiety is likely to rise and people want to give up. that is what we are trying to combat right now. when we look at this phenomenon of most people staying at home, it's hard to have the level of connection you need. it's easy to go away and isolate and not tell anybody about your suffering. and because we are less connected, people are also more likely to not reach out, even if they are feeling lonely themselves. there could be a lot of shame
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and guilt associated with those emotions and those thoughts. >> laura: i know we sound like we are so negative but we are trying to look at the whole picture of america, not just one aspect. physical health is so important but mental health, people don't like to talk about it because they feel embarrassed. but i think it's really, really important that we talk about this tonight. the child abuse reports out of texas that they had seen an increase in head trauma in florida, showing a florida headline now. they are concerned about that as well because, you know, parents are cooped up, they are on a short fuse i guess. i don't know what's happening. are you concerned about that, doctor? >> these are real concerns and people have also been talking about what if you are with a physical abuser as a parent or a spouse or romantic partner. these are things we have to look at. and you're right. people are on a short fuse. when people are cooped up at home, sometimes they are not regulated their schedules, not sleeping well. it affects their emotional regulation. we all have to take a step back,
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take a deep breath. look at the picture, as we mentioned, as a whole and start to utilize strategies that work. >> laura: dr. judy, thank you so much. great to see you tonight. come back soon. up next, i have a last bite for the twitter sensors.
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>> laura: this is truly the last bite. it's my last bite because i was amazed to see a tweet today from the editor in chief of china's global times. if the tweet itself -- it didn't surprise me, it was a typical chinese anti-american propaganda. it reads "covid-19 deaths in u.s. have exceeded the number in china, it is solely caused by the government's mishandling. wuhan imposed a locked on january 23rd imposing a warning, the u.s. only have one confirmed case and there was time. trump administration has failed the american people." my question, has twitter content enforcers sent a warning to the global times for its false and misleading tweet? will it threaten to suspend the
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global times if they don't delete it? don't hold your breath. that's all the time we have tonight. shannon bream, the "fox news @ night" team have all the latest breaking development. they take it from here. shannon. >> shannon: there are plenty, thank you, laura. it would begin tonight -- the president of the white house coronavirus tax forms 100 -- could die from the virus but there's room to try to bring that number down. and it's up to all of us. currently there are 189,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the u.s., roughly 3900 deaths. there are difficult images coming in from new york is the president -- sadness of seeing hospitals wearing he grew up in queens now -- teams are on the u.s. tell the story of a nation trying to abide by the guidelines. quiet streets from los angeles to washington to

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