>> sandra: to the church bells ringing for the noon hour on the east coast. we appreciate your reporting there, lauren green. and that's it for us. >> ed: if you haven't checked it out, go to youtube. pope francis says mass. it's neat to see it virtually. >> sandra: absolutely, it's a great message. thank you for joining us, "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, so bring new warnings on the coronavirus pandemic, as white house officials project there could be between 100,240,000 deaths in america, with covid-19 fatalities peekinw weeks. president tremblay yesterday told americans to prepare for a worst-case scenario. >> this could be a hell of about two weeks. a very bad few weeks like we never seen before. it's critical for the american people to follow the guidelines for the next 30 days.

it's a matter of life and death, frankly. it's a matter of life and death. >> harris: right now the united states still has more coronavirus in cases than any other country in the world there are more than 190,000 confirm coronavirus cases here. the number of deaths is now above 4,000. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. gillian turner, fox news correspondent. dr. nicole saphier, new york city physician and fox news contributor. and we are joined by fox news chief political aker, bret baier, also anchor an executive editor of "special report." we say he's "outnumbered," but he brings it, so, you know. he's in the middle. good to see you all. bret, i will start with you. i noticed just right than revenue or listening to the president, he scooted from two to three weeks, and then it was the guidelines for 30 days. it's going to be rough.

this is not an easy but seeing for anybody to say, to tell the american people that kind of raw truth. >> bret: it was a tough news conference. anybody can see the evolution of the town that the president used. and he was pressed on some of the things he said previously. he said he want to be optimistic for the bottom line is he's letting the medical professionals run the advice. add dr. fauci and dr. birx, they are making recommendations. and they are essentially saying, "this is what you need to do." >> harris: yeah, bret, i can hear probably what you can hear. it's a little bit of technical feedback. so i'm going to ask our crew back in new york to take a peek at that audio. gillian, just in terms of watching, bret said -- and i wrote it down, bret, "evolution of tone," -- we are hearing more than ever

for officials that it so critical, as you come to this headwind of 2-3 weeks right now. >> gillian: that's right, harris. good leadership is more important than ever before. at the federal level, the state level, at the hospital level. everybody's got to put on their best leadership capability hats to try and move america forward through this crisis. a lot of really grim statistics this week, and it's only wednesday. over 250 million americans now living under some kind of home lockdown orders, in 30 states nationwide. as he mentioned a minute ago, over 4,000 americans have now perished as a result of this virus. that is a whole lot more americans than the 2,996, i believe, who died on 9/11. so this is already leaving an indelible legacy across the united states, and it's really only the first phase of the virus. as you know, harris, experts are now warning of a second wave like we are seeing in china and

japan, hong kong, and singapore, as the ease travel restrictions and allow people to move around those countries more. the virus is surging again. >> harris: you know, one thing stands out for me today, dr. saphier. it's the nation of germany, and the mass testing. they are seeing icu units that are near empty according to reports from there. i'm looking down because i want to catch this. they were very early to catch this with such mass testing. what difference did that make, and is there any way we can catch up? >> dr. saphier: hi, harris. germany was similar to south korea, they had aggressive initial testing and a lot of regions required for testing that -- the same way we did. at this point, is there a way to catch up? no, we are in the thick of it right now. i do want to make a point that all these numbers, 100,200,000,

are still extremity grim. that's a tenth of what they are protected be about a month ago before the social distance members were taken into effect. they had predicted it could be anywhere between 1 million and 200 million americans who died. it's still a devastating number. however, my hope is that we won't get to that number. they can -- we have to point out we are often doing more testing than anywhere else in the world, and huge thing i want to point out is the death rate in the united states is the lowest of thmost of the countries. that has to do with the fact that we are doing a lot of testing and that we do have a robust health care system. these fatality rates still being reported, it's about 1.4% globally, closer to 2% being reported right now in the united states. 10%, 11%, and italy and spain. they still remain grossly overestimated because there's a large amount of the population

who are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms that have not been tested. so these numbers do not take into account those people that have not been tested. >> harris: right. and the asymptomatic, melissa, we are hearing reports of that. and just how critical those numbers will be, just to know who among us is out there that would have no idea they have that. that's not new, it's something we've known all along. but it is something they are paying more attention to in places like china, reportedly, where they hadn't really included those people in their numbers. >> melissa: the ad. i mean, for somebody like me who doesn't have any symptoms, doesn't think they have it, but even surrounded one way or the other. you are in new york city. you've been exposed, one way or the other. it would be great just to know. also, it's getting harder by the day, harris. i'm sure you can relate to this, just having the kids home from school, not knowing if they are going to go back at all this

year, and having so much of your life put on hold. you know, for those of us who aren't ill, you are grateful to be healthy, but at the same time this is stretching out in front of us in a way that i personally never imagined. and it's a lot to wrap your head around. >> harris: you know, we had touched on this. let's get into it a little bit deeper. cdc director robert redfield's warning now, as many as a quarter of the people infected with coronavirus may not show any symptoms. the agency now is weighing whether to recommend all americans where a face mask. that's been a big debate last couple days. watch this. >> if you assume that 25% is asymptomatic, the only way you would do it is going to areas that are high-transition zones and have individuals then wearing masks. assuming they are infected. i can tell you that the data and

this issue of whether it's going to contribute is being aggressively reviewed as we speak. >> harris: you know, bret, yesterday we heard from the u.s. surgeon general talking about this. he did make a point, i thought it was interesting. it makes you feel better, you can do what you need to do. but you might end up touching your face more if you're wearing a mask. i mean, we are all over the place, kind of, and what we think we should be doing. the messages have been pretty constant coming out of the officials. >> bret: harris, i think this recommendation is coming once there are enough n95 masks in circulation. i think all these companies are speeding up the production, i do think they are going to make this recommendation because of the fact that you don't know if you have it. if you are asymptomatic, you could still be carrying the virus and you could be transmitting it. so, wearing a mask may be something that we start seeing people do. >> harris: it is, to become a

conflict of messaging, though. to tell people not to wear them is one thing, based on whether or not it would protect them. but to tell them not to wear them until we catch up with n95 masks, where the medical professional has them and it reveals wears them, those are two different messages. >> bret: which is why the president said you have a scarf. until we get the masks, if you feel comfortable, do that. that is, i think, where they are. >> harris: wow. dr. saphier, you've heard bret does mention they are the production of these masks. we've been waiting for the defense production act. this only falls into your medical lane because i'm seeing all sorts of retrofitting and repurposed sing of things. are we able to do that in any given length of time? repurposed these things, whatever they might be? ventilators, respirators, masks, whatever. have you experienced that?

>> dr. saphier: absolutely kamala harris. bret is correct in the sense that it's a very secluded situation. the reason we called it the novel coronavirus is because it's new and we didn't know a lot about it. in the beginning when you have a respiratory droplet virus such as influenza and most coronavirus, you really -- the general public does not need to wear a mask. the mask is really reserved for those who are sick. we are trying to keep their respiratory droplet inside of them. we have obtained more information about this virus, and there is some speculation now that some of it actually will air aerosolized. which is different than respiratory droplets. that means the viruses contained within spit or something like that. aerosolized means that the virus still stays in the air. there is not solid data that tells us one way or the other. certain viruses that do aerosolized, like measles, we know how to do with that. at this point we are trying to treat this virus as though it does, although we really don't know. the reason that n95 masks are so

important, because they have to be tight fitted around your face. the majority of the general public do not know how to actually wear them. we do for testing in the hospital to make sure there is a seal around the face, they spray things all around us and make sure he can't smell them. if you are just using these masks walking around and not utilizing them officially done mike efficiently, you're wasting them and taking them away from the hospital. our recommendations are changing every day for health care workers. a couple weeks ago they said don't wear a mask unless you are dealing with a covid patient, now they are saying to wear a mask if you are dealing with any patient, and night they say you have to wear a mask every single day. they are standing outside our interest is to give us one, but they are saying we have to use the same mask until it's visibly soiled, which is very different than what we used to do. in terms of whether the general public should actually wear masks, there is not a right or wrong answer. as you alluded to, o of federal agencies, the world health organization, we haven't seen evidence that it will reduce

transmission of certain viruses. that's why they haven't recommended it. however, with this particular virus, it does seem there is a large amount of people, 25%, who have the virus and are a symptom addict. when we need to get back to opening up our economy and getting people back to work, what are we going to do with people who are having the virus and are a some dramatic? >> harris: that's a great question. >> dr. saphier: then they are probably going to have to be wearing masks. whether it's n95s, probably not. makeshift masks from surgical masks you see. i don't see the general public walking around with n95s and i don't think it's necessary. those who have sustained exposure and close exposure are the ones who really need them. >> harris: those are great points, just in terms of whether we all leave our homes again and go back to work or whatever we are going to do, in some fashion it may still be restricted to some degree in 30 days. whatever that looks like, since a quarter of the people, it looks like, will be a some

dramatic walking around with this. if you don't wear masks, i guess i just have the question, how will you ever know? moses says, you want to know. melissa, it will give you the quick last word before we scoot to break. speech you know, i mean, trying to ascertain and figure out with tt we are all grappling with. and we just don't know at this point. masks figure into that, as well. >> harris: all right. we are waiting, just so you know, at this time every day we see him. new york governor andrew cuomo, he will make remarks on the states battle against covid-19. we'll keep a close eye on that and bring it to you live once it begins. and, another rocky day for the markets, as rent and mortgage payments are due. first of the month, and that's not an april fools. it's real. we will take a look at the joblessness of americans right now, as well. what the president says he wants to do next to boost the economy. stay close. ♪

♪ >> melissa: another rocky day on wall street after the dow recorded its worst first quarter in its 124 year history, as worries about the global

coronavirus pandemic grow. with today being the first of the month, the rent, the mortgage, utilities, credit card payment, you name it, all coming due for millions of out of work americans. anxiously awaiting their government-issued checks. the president calling on a $2 trillion infrastructure bill to now serve as phase four of the government's relief effort. >> we have zero interest rate, especiallessentially. i said, wouldn't this be a great time to borrow money at a zero interest rate and really build our infrastructure like we can do it? i'm suggesting $2 trillion, we redo our roads, highways, bridges. we fix up our tunnels, which are, many of them, in bad shape. light coming into new york, as you know. really bad shape. we do a good job on her infrastructure. >> melissa: bret, i imagine there is probably a lot of support for this in washington, and that one thing both sides can come together on, usually,

is spending money. that's what this is about. that there has to be some reluctance, as well. because these numbers are just adding up. what are you hearing? >> bret: yeah, i think that -- and according to senior administration officials today, they are really focusing on phase three to make sure the tranches of money get to where they are supposed to go as quickly as possible. remember, these checks are supposed to go out within three weeks, and as you mention, rent is due for not only homeowners and renters and mortgage but for small businesses. and small businesses really are taking it on the chin. so, getting this money out effectively is going to be priority 1. down the road, clearly, washington is already talking about a phase for and what that looks like. i think the president is starting to lay out a blueprint that includes infrastructure. >> melissa: gillian, bret makes a really good point. we are looking at the small

business loans, they are supposed to be up and running and ready to go as of this friday. but there are already so many businesses that have furloughed or laid off millions of workers. it's taking a lot of time to get this money out. >> gillian: yeah, there is no time in which the federal government is ever really able to get that kind of money, to disburse that kind of money quickly or easily. it's still complicated process that takes time, and it takes time for these direct deposits to be made into people's bank accounts and clear. so we are looking at weeks before people probably start to accrue any of the benefits of this relief package in terms of their individual businesses' wallets. president trump said his number one priority is saving as many lives as possible. his second priority is the health of the american economy. in normal times, noncrisis times, the president likes to make a measure of the stock

market kind of the nation's report card. we are seeing and change his perspective a little bit now. >> melissa: let's go now to new york governor cuomo as he gives us the update on the situation here in the heart-hit new york. let's listen. >> that's up 1200 people, 3,000 people in icu. 6,000 patients discharged. that's up 1,167. people go into the hospital, they get better, they leave the hospital. most impacted states, new york is that 83,000, new jersey is at 18,000. governor phil murphy, who has been a great partner to me, a great partner to the people of this state, governor ned lamont, also in connecticut has been a great partner. we've done great work as a region, which is very unusual. those line between states often become walls. not with governor murphy and

that was governor lamont we are working together and we are going to work cooperatively with new jersey because they have a real problem. california is taking up. michigan is ticcing. up. florida is even ticking up. but no it is where we are, 83,000 compared to 18,000. number of deaths, 1900. up from 1550. that number will continue to go up. that's people continuing to be on ventilators for a period of time. if you go on a ventilator, there is roughly only had 20% chance that you will come off the ventilator. the longer you are on the ventilator, the lower the chance you come off. we are still looking for a curve. we are still looking to see where we hit the plateau. total number of new

hospitalized, again, you see the number goes up and down. but the overall trajectory of the number is up. the change in icu admissions, a balance here, a bounce there, but the overall number is still up. change in intubations, same thing. the line is basically a line that is going up. change in number of discharged, the line is going up. why? more people going in, more people treated, more people coming out. everyone asks the same questions, and they are all good questions. "when is this going to be over? what happens? how does it end?" and people want answers. i understand people want answers. i want answers. the answer is, nobody knows for sure. anyone who goes on cable tv or network tv and says, "this is what is going to happen," that

is not true. nobody knows what's going to happen. i understand the need for closure, the need for control. we are at a place we've never been before. we are out of control. "i need to know, i need to know." nobody can tell you. what you do now are facts. facts are funny things. what you are now getting our subjective facts. people who are optimists, who want to interpret it one way. people who are pessimists, want to interpret the other way. people who bring their own subjective agenda, tend to interpret the numbers a different way. for me, facts are facts. and the fact that we offer the people of this state and the people of this country, they are not pessimistic facts or

optimistic facts. they are not interpreted facts. they are just the best information we have as of this time. and i think that is empowering and, in some ways, relaxing. as i've mentioned to you, who have worked with me, i say to my team all the time, "i'm interested in your opinion, but i'm interested in your opinion second. i'm interested in the facts first." and, "give me the facts, unjaded by your opinion." because once a person has an opinion and once a person wants a certain outcome, and they look at the facts through that filter, then you can interpret facts differently. just give me the straight facts. sergeant joe friday, "just the facts, ma'am. just the facts." no opinion. there is something empowering to that. we look for the facts to

projection models. that's how we gauge what we do. we follow the projection model. every day you get additional data, they run that data into the models and they refine the model. basically, we then have a composite model, because you have many different people out there with many different models. we use mckinsey, which is a consultant to the state, for this purpose. to basically look at all the models and come up with a composite model. if people wonder, "well, where do you get these numbers, governor? how do you decide what you are going to do?" we have a model, we have a projection, and that's what we follow. the current model -- and the model, by the way, even more maddening, the model changes the more data that comes in. because they started with

assumptions and presumptions. and then the more data that comes in, it either affirms or discounts their presumptions that they started with. so they refine the model over time, and the model changes. the numbers change. but what we are working at now is the apex, the top of the curd of april. which means another month of this. the apex, the recent number, you could need 110,000 covid beds. what does that mean? beds for covid people, as opposed to other people who are in the hospitals for other reasons. 37,000 ventilators. that is our current model. that model is based on minimal

impact from social distancing. meaning what? one of the great variables is how effective the social distancing is. are people doing it? are they complying with it? to what extent and how effective is that? nobody knows that answer. so they do different projections, depending on how well social distancing works. how well people comply with it, and how effective it is. minimal social distancing impact is where we get the 110,000 ventilators. high compliance with social distancing, you still have 75,000 covid beds as opposed to 110,000. 25,000 ventilators. okay? when i keep pushing for high compliance on social distancing,

it's because high compliance on social distancing will reduce the number. this is where they began talking about "flatten the curve, flatten the curve, flatten the curve with social distancing." this says this is the difference between high compliance with social distancing and less compliance. if you have high compliance, you are down to 75,000 covid beds, 25,000 ventilators. less, it goes up to 110,000 and 37,000. interestingly, both are looking at the same point of apex. it's just a lower apex. both models that you apex of the end of april, just a lower need at that apex. and that is what we want, because this all comes down to, at the apex, can your hospital system manage the volume of people coming into the hospital

system? that is all this is about at the final analysis. now, there are also different models out there, based on different presumptions. people study china, people studied at wuhan. well, if you have the same compliance that you had in wuhan, wuhan basically just locked up society. i don't even know that if the federal government enacted the wuhan model that the american people would comply. we have a totally different social structure, governmental structure. so you have different models that project higher or lower. what we are doing with mckinsey is studying all of them and coming up with a moderate model that is the basis for us to make planning decisions. because i have to make decisions, and i want to make the decisions off the numbers, so that's what we are doing. it's not to say that there

aren't other people with other opinions. there are many people with many opinions, and some have the apex happening sooner. some of the apex happening late. you can find people who think the apex will come in seven days. you can have people who see the apex won't come for six weeks. you have that kind of range. you have a broad range on the number of beds, a broad range on the number of ventilators. our course for planning purpose. because, in truth, the higher models, we don't even have a chance at meeting that capacity anyway. you say over 110,000 beds, there is no possible way you could get there. so, in some ways, and overly

aggressive estimate doesn't even mean anything to us. because it's just unachievable. people ask, "well, what's going to happen?" and dr. fauci said yesterday or the day before -- the days blend together -- the estimated 100,000 americans may pass away. some people have said 100,000 to 200,000 americans may pass away before this is over. when is it over? when you achieve what they call "herd immunity." how do you say that, that's a broad range pray to go back to the other point, nobody really knows. 100,000 to 200,000, you are seeing a significant amount people lose their lives. there's a group that is funded by the gates foundation paid thank you very much, bill gates.

they project 93,000 americans who will lose their lives by the time this is over. that model suggests 16,000 new yorkers will pass away by the time this runs its course. so, when dr. fauci says 100,000, there are models out there that make these types of projections. what would that mean to new york? that would mean about 16,000. frankly, that would mean that new york is only 16%, roughly, of the number of deaths. i don't even understand that, since new york is so much higher right now. but what that does say to the rest of the nation is that this is not just new york. if you believe these numbers,

16,000 deaths in new york, that means you are going to have tens of thousands of deaths outside of new york. so, to the extent people watch their nightly news in kansas and say, "well, this is a new york problem," that's not what these numbers say. it says it's a new york problem today. tomorrow, it's a kansas problem and a texas problem and a new mexico problem. that's why i say to my fellow governors and elected officials all across this country, "look at us today, see yourself tomorrow. let's address it in new york, and let's cooperate to address it in new york, because it's going to be in your town tomorrow." metaphorically. and if we learn how to do it right here, we will learn how to do with the best we can, because there is no "right."

it's only the best we can. then we can work cooperatively all across this country. the other thing that this model says, people say, "well, what is it over? two weeks, three weeks, four weeks?" this model projects you are going to have a high death rate through july. if this model is correct, this could go through the summer. now, other people talk about getting back to work, starting the economy, april, may, june. this model says it could go on through july. now, the questions become nuanced. "well, could you still be dealing with the virus and get the economy up and running and get people out of their homes?" yes, i think there are ways to

do both. not picking between human life and the dollar bill, because no one is going to pick a dollar bill over human life. but, can you come up with a public health strategy that is consistent with people getting out of their homes and starting to get back to work? yes, you can. my opinion is, the best way to do that is come up with a rapid testing procedure where people can test, they know who is positive, they know who is negative, and they know who can go back to work. and come up with a test quickly, that is read readily available e the people can take it home, so

you can take the test and know where you are, and we can starte situation that we are in. also, you come up with testing and rapid testing, not only do you get up and get the economy running, you and the anxiety. the anxiety is what is most impressive here not knowing. not knowing if i'm positive, if my friend is positive, if my loved one is positive. not knowing when this is going to end. the anxiety of dealing with this isolation, day after day after day. it's like a bad "groundhog" movie. when does it end, how does it end? i don't know, i'm out of control. i think the testing is going to be the best mechanism to try and work through that. on the good news front, we have new testing available in new york. regeneron, which is a great new york company, has created

500,000 testing kits at no charge. thank you, regeneron. and they are distributing them across the state. corning, another great company, has donated 100,000 tubes and $500,000 at reduced cost. so we can do more tests. new york is very aggressive on testing. we have been from day one. we think that has helped us slow the spread of this virus. my favorite topic, young people must get this message. and they still have not gotten the message. you still see too many situations with too much density by young people. they can get it, they are putting their lives at risk. this can kill young people. rare circumstances, but it can. but, you get infected, you give it to someone else. so, think about somebody else. i've said this 100 different

ways. compliance is still not where it should be. you saw the models on the differential in the compliance, versus major compliance and minor compliance. so, we are going to take a more dramatic actions. we are going to close down the new york city playgrounds. i've talked about this for weeks. i warn people that if they didn't stop the density and the games in the playgrounds -- he can't play basketball you can't come in contact with each other. that we would close the playgrounds. i've spoken to speaker johnson from new york city who feels very strongly about this, who did from day one. we agreed initially with the mayor that we would try compliance, and the mayor was going to try and use the nypd to enforce compliance, social

distancing, and playgrounds. it is still a problem. we are working with the speaker, we are working with the mayor. but we are going to close down the city playgrounds, and leave the open spaces available. so, use the open space in a park, walk around, get some sun, great. no density, no basketball games, no close contact. no violation of social distancing, period. that's the rule. the other good news, we are working with all the hospitals in the state to do something they have never done before, which is to act as one. to cooperate, to share supplies, share staff, support one another. shift patients among hospitals. which really has never happened to any great extent. and the hospitals have been very cooperative, and i want to thank them very much.

in this war, we must plan forward for the next battle. meaning, we have been behind from day one. this virus has been ahead of us since day one. you don't win a war that way. the next battle is the apex. the next battle is on the top of the mountain. you see that curve? ece curve, i see a mountain. the next battle will happen at the top of that mountain. that's where it's going to be joined. the enemy either overwhelms our health care system, or the we ae able to handle the onslaught of the enemy at the top of that mountain. that's we are planning for every day. i want to offer you a different perspective that i'm starting to think about it, and i think we should all start to think about it. as a society, beyond just this

immediate situation, we should start looking forward, to understand how this experience is going to change us. or how it should change us. because this is going to be transformative. it is going to be transformative on a personal basis, on a social basis, on a systems basis. we are never going to be the same again. were not going to forget what happened here. the fear that we have, the anxiety that we have, that's not just going to go away. when do we get back to normal? i don't think we get back to normal. i think we get back, or we get to a new normal. right? like we are seeing in so many facets of society right now. so we will be at a different place.

our challenge is to make sure that transformation and that change is positive and not negative. next make sure we are taking the positive lesson and not the negative lesson. you could get wary of intimacy and contact and density. social distancing, don't go near anyone. what a terrible thing to live with, as a human being. what a cruel torture. "isolate yourself from other people, be afraid of hugging someone." just think how emotionally and personally repugnant that concept is, right? we crave human connection. and i we are being told that could be dangerous. "you can't kiss, you can't hug,

you can't hold hands." so, how we come out of this, making sure it's positive and not negative, how do we learn from this and how do we grow from this? right? society life, you will get knocked on your rear end. you will deal with pain, you will deal with death, you will deal with setback, you will deal with suffering. the question is, how do you get up? first, do you get up? second, if you get up, how do you get up? do you get up smarter, do you get up wiser? or do you get up bitter and angry? do you get up fearful? we are in control of that. and we have to start to think about that. we also have to be smarter from what we went through. how do you make the economy more

resilient? what happens when something like this happens again? and something like this will happen again. "oh, no, this is a once-in-a-lifetime, never again." something like this will happen again. we are seeing it in the environment, we are seeing it with floods, with hurricanes. something like this will happen again. you can't just turn off the economy like a light switch. how do governments work together? you can't figure it out on the fly with the federal government, with the state government does, with the local governments do. figure it out before, learn lessons from this. telemedicine and tele- education. we have closed the schools. well, why weren't we ready with a tele- education system? why weren't we better at telemedicine? why didn't we have that capacity, rather than having people wait in all these lines to come in and get the same

basic diagnosis and the same basic advice? why don't we have medical supplies made in this country? why are we shopping in china for basic medical supplies? why don't we gear our medical research towards these types of threats and challenges, which we know are on the horizon? we know these viruses are changing. we know that they mutate. why don't we get ahead of it? you still have to run society. let's talk about first responder capacity. we now have first responders who are getting sick, and the workforce is dropping. well, that was inevitable, right? that was going to happen. what's the back up to that situation? and let's talk about societal stability and engagement at times of crisis. you can't just tell everyone,

"go home and lock your doors and sit on your couch and order takeout for the foreseeable future." that's not who we are. it's not even a mental health issue. it's a personal health issue. it's how we relate to one another. we are not built to be isolated for long periods of time and not have human contact. so, how do we deal with that? these are the types of questions that we have to start to think through. but not today. that is the next challenge, i believe. and that is what we are going to have to think about soon. for now, one crisis at a time, as they say. and we are planning to handle,

with the current crisis, preparing for the battle on the mount. which is what we are doing every day. and that is what we are doing. not only are we doing it, but we have to succeed at it. you know? government process is very good at saying, "well, we are trying. we are working on this. we are doing our best. we are doing our best." winston churchill, "it's no use saying we are doing our best. you have got to succeed in doing what is necessary." a tad harsh, but it's true. that's what i say to my team every day. this is beyond best efforts. this is beyond "i'm working very hard." we have to get this done.

we have to succeed. we have to find a way. we have to make it happen, because too much is at stake. the last point, on a personal note, my brother, christopher, as i told you yesterday, tested positive for the coronavirus. he is at home. he's doing fine enough. he has a fever, he has chills. symptoms of, basically, a very bad flu. but i think this is illustrative in a number of ways. first of all, anyone can get this disease. relatively young people, strong people, people who take a lot of vitamin pills, people who go to the gym a lot. anyone can get this disease. there is no super hero who is immune from this disease.

that goes for a new yorker as well as a texan, as well as a californian. anyone can get it. no one can be protected from. i couldn't protect my own brother, with all he knows and as smart as he is, he couldn't t himself. anyone can get it, and everyone has to be protected. i understand the data, i understand 80%, self resolved, 20% go on the hospitals. christopher is not in the category that is problematic. by all the data, he should have it, he will have it for a period of time, and he will then resolve. if he has bad symptoms, he will go into the hospital, he will be treated, and he will be released. that's what all the numbers say. even though that's what all the

numbers say, when he told me he had the coronavirus, it scared me. it frightened me. why? because we still don't know. we still don't know. and even if there is just a 1%, 2% chance, it's frightening. it is frightening. it frightened me. and i deal with all sorts of stuff, and i've seen all sorts of things, and it frightened me. why? because we are talking about my brother. we are talking about my little brother. this is my best friend. i talked to him several times a day, basically spend my whole life with him. and it is frightening, on a fundamental level.

it's frightening because there's nothing i can do, and i'm out of control, and there's nobody who can tell me, and dr. zucker can't tell me anything, and tony fauci can't tell me anything, because nobody really knows. this situation is the same situation for everyone. for everyone. so, yes, i'm frightened for my brother, i'm worried about my brother, as everyone is worried about everyone and their family and everybody they love. i take solace in the numbers and the facts, because you can't divorce yourself from the facts. otherwise you go to a place of irrationality. but we are emotional beings, and as an emotional being it is frightening and it is unknown and it is threatening and it is scary, and people are dying.

he's going to be okay. i believe that. he's in his basement. i sent him over a book that can be helpful. "beginner's guide to striped bass fishing." i hope he picks up some tips from that. i also want to say to him, because i want him to know, he found out yesterday morning that he had coronavirus. he did his show last night. he did a show last night from his basement. what a gutsy, courageous thing to do. and we talked about it. in some ways, this can be very instructive, i think, to many people. because everybody wants to know, "well, what happens if you get coronavirus?" all right, he did. and he does his show every

night. maybe some nights he won't be able to do it, but he does his show every night. so, what's the positive? show the country what it means to have coronavirus. and that information, that experience, can be helpful to people. that's why he did the show last night. "okay, i have coronavirus. but, you know what? here i am, i'm doing my show." "i didn't fall over, i didn't collapse, it's not a death sentence. here i am, i'm doing my show." kudos to him. my pop would be proud. i love you, little brother. and even though this isn't a flattering picture -- i did not take this picture, with your mouth open, but it is suitable in some ways. any questions, comments?

>> reporter: [inaudible] >> melissa: okay, that's governor cuomo they are giving us an update on the situation in newark, talking about closing the playgrounds here , and also estimated that he thinks the apex of the disease will happen here in new york at the end of april. bret, what do you think about that timing? end of april feels like a long time from now. >> bret: it does. and, you know, these matter-of-fact briefings by cuomo really are why his stock is rising as he talks about the facts and the stats and he's got the graphics. first of all, our thoughts and prayers with his brother, chris, and all the folks affected by coronavirus. no matter who you are. it does show that anybody can get it and can, ideally, get through it. i think there are big moments here, melissa. wimbledon just canceled. that's the middle of the summer. i think not knowing how long it

will go is really what is frustrating for people, and scary for people. two things, very quickly. one -- and this is other journals and that is happening -- bloomberg has a story about the chinese numbers, and the intel that china is essentially inflating their numbers and deflating the deaths. that's a big story and worth reading. national review has one on senator tom cotton and his earl. worth reading. we just have to go through all of this, and do it calmly. >> melissa: yeah. gillian, what do you think about that? as somebody who has specialized in national security, do you believe anything that comes out of china? >> gillian: i think the short answer to that is no, and i think during the time of a pandemic like this, when their interests run contrary to the interests of their own citizens and citizens around the world,

it's especially important to not take any numbers the government releases at face value. to have the united states intelligence services keep digging for journalists to keep digging , a quick note on the human element of what governor cuomo said. he points out that folks come americans all across the nation, are now being compelled to do things they haven't done before. you know, americans who have never applied for unemployment benefits are doing that. folks who have never had to even ask a neighbor for a cup of sugar are being forced to do that. i spoke to one of my best friends yesterday. he lives in los angeles. he said he and his wife and their son are bartering oranges from the tree in their backyard with neighbors for groceries. >> melissa: wow. dr. saphier, let me ask you. do you believe what you've heard out of china? because so much hope has been placed on this idea that they shut down society and they came out of it. when we recoding it at the time, i was wondering, why do we

necessarily trust this to be true? what do you think? >> dr. saphier: the only truth that has come out of china this time is the genetic sequence of the virus, and that's only because they were under such scrutiny because of the way they handled sars. i think the las lack of transpay has led us to where we are right now. had we known how contagious this virus was, how quickly it spread, and army numbers they had come i think they would implement it a much stronger travel ban initially and we would have started social distancing much earlier on. we are in the situation now because of lack of accurate information. >> melissa: yeah. well, thanks to bret baier and everyone else on the couch for sticking with us through this hour and through that press conference. again, learning that here in new york they will shut down the playgrounds and they don't expect the apex to hit us here until the end of april. we will see what that means for the rest of the country, and the wave that is fanning out right now. we are back here on the virtual

couch at noon eastern tomorrow. now, here's harris with "outnumbered overtime." ♪ >> harris: this is "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." what we've been doing since the start of this journey together. i'm harris faulkner. our medical experts will answer your questions coming up. however, first we want to get to something that's about to happen. florida governor ron desantis is set to hold a news conference at any moment. we've been told that he did have a conversation about two hours ago with the president of the united states. we may hear some details from that. and here is the visual news that we are seeing take place. two cruise ships look like they could be docking on florida's coast. the zaandam has more than 106 passengers on board, some have