♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson at night." a death toll from the coronavirus now exceeds 1,000 people per day in this country. everyone hopes we are nearing the peak of the epidemic. is there evidence for that right now? so for that we turned as we so often due to a trace gallagher. >> let's start worldwide where we now have more than 1 million covid-19 cases. i took 130 days to have the first 500,007 days for the next 500,000. here in the u.s. we have almost a quarter million cases with more than 5800 people dying. new york remains a top u.s.

hot spot with more than 93,000 cases and almost 2400 deaths. in fact new york now has more cases than germany, france, the u.k., and china. although u.s. intel says china's numbers are not accurate. the new york apex of cases could be anywhere from seven to 30 days away, the experts who study hospitalization numbers in new york say they believe the apex is closer to seven days. here in california for the fourth day in a row the curve is beginning to flatten. today california has just over 1,000 new cases and 24 new deaths. in the meantime louisiana is seeing a jump in new cases with more than 2737 new deaths. experts say the big increase could be because of a backlog and testing. they won't know that for a couple of days. in florida after some political back-and-forth, the cruise ships have docked in fort lauderdale. the sick were taken to hospitals and those who tested positive

for covid are being quarantined. all other passengers are being screened. finally italy, the country with the most covid deaths is bending its curve. experts say the magic number there is the percentage of increase in total cases, including those who died and those who have been cured. two weeks ago the number was above 12%. today it is just above 4%. that is great news and the u.s. curve is reportedly two weeks, my little more than two weeks behind italy. tucker? >> tucker: thank you so much for that. the question of masks, face masks has been a center of our conversation with how to respond to coronavirus for a couple of months today. they protect our first responders and we know that where there is no question they could protect the entire population. we don't have enough of them. for the past couple of weeks we've been trying to figure out why? why are we sure for something as simple as a mask? today about two hours ago

actually, my phone conversation with someone who is trying to get masks for his state, the state of florida. that conversation was so compelling and so upsetting that the last minute we scrapped our original plans for tonight's show and we move this attribute to the top. that person is jared moscowitz, the director of the florida patient management. we are happy to have him on. thank you so much for coming on. simple question, repeat for our audience if you would, what you told me about your efforts to get masks for your state, which by the way is your job. what happened? >> thank you, i appreciate you having me on. appreciate you featuring the story. it's important for all the health care workers and nurses and doctors and first responders on the front line. no, listen, for the last several weeks we have had like a boiler room chasing down 3m authorized to separators, brokers, representing that theye n95 masks come only get to where houses that are completely empty. where being told that our shipments are on cargo plans and

the flights don't even appear. we are chasing ghosts. i just decided to turn up the heat and tell people what is actually happening with the n95 masks. 3m reached out to us today, their government relations folks wanted to have a conversation and i thought perhaps maybe what 3m would finally say to me is that they have masks to sell me, but what i actually found out is even more frightening. that's what we expected, the system is completely broken. the authorized distributors who right now can't tell me a timeline with when i will receive my masks, the order i put in a month ago. by the way, the terms and conditions are i have to pay for the masks and can't cancel my order. 3m has lost total control. what i asked 3m is that, are they aware they are authorized distributors? u.s. companies are telling me the reason why our orders are being pushed down is because foreign countries are showing up

with cash to purchase the orders. when i told 3m of that, not only did they do not dispute it. i asked them if they put any guidelines to prevent the behavior and the answer was no. when i asked 3m, what is your production? they said they're making 10 million masks a week. what i said great, i have money and i like to purchase some of those. they said i couldn't, they have no masks to sell me. it's criminal what is happening. i want to say something very clear, this is not about the workers in the factories and 3m who are working 24 hours a day to try to create this life-saving pb. this is about the executives who decided not to put america first and it's going to have devastating consequences. >> tucker: i just want to encapsulate what you said because i want this to sink in for the audience. you try to get an answer and you're in charge of procuring these for the first responders in florida appeared to not just some guy off the street. your government official trying to help the state that is becoming one of the centers of the opera, florida.

he basically got the runaround. he went after 3m on twitter and they responded. people noticed it and they responded and you said, why can't i get it? they said i have no control. our dealers are selling some of these masks to foreign countries because they got there first and they're paying cash. you said, shouldn't you tell your distributors to make a priority for america? for the states, the local governments, the first responders, nurses, emts? they said no, we haven't done that. is that if your summary? >> not only is not a fair summary, it's exactly what has happened. that is why the governor said it's shady as hell. 3m is an ice cream store that doesn't sell ice cream. since when we have a u.s. company that doesn't solve masks and i try to offer them money and they don't sell them to me? i have to go through their authorized distributors and their only excuse is that they don't have a perfect system. that is great they don't have a perfect system and i'm relegated to making deals with brokers at

costs that are ten and sometimes 20 times the actual costs of these masks. at the end of the day, tucker, regardless of the cost of this point, get in the mask is the most important. we can't even get them. >> tucker: i guess for me, your present florida and if they said i'm sorry, michigan got their first or california is on the list or new york has a massive outbreak. they need these masks. i think everyone would understand that. you learn that these masks are literally being sold to foreign countries in the middle of a pandemic for which we are suffering profoundly. i guess michael rahman who was the ceo of this company who is doing something on tv, he never told he distributors that this country comes first. that is bizarre to me, it is shocking. >> the funny thing is that that is not a rumor. that is not something that was suggested. the three to my 3m authorized distributors, there's only 20 companies, they 3m authorized

interpreters are telling me this. they're specifically saying, listen, we are sorry order got pushed down, but there are folks showing up to the factories. there are folks showing up to us, calling us, paying cash for it i said, what you mean there are folks? they said listen, there are foreign countries who do business differently under their showing up with cash. the idea that an american company is selling masks away from our hospitals come away from our doctors come away from the real heroes on the front lines is something that will long be investigated after this. it's really criminal what is happening. i can't, i can't, other management directors, ceos of hospitals can't get this life-saving ppe because a company decided to make a globalist decision and not put america first. >> tucker: you would think the government affairs guy who called you today would have thought, this is pretty disgusting what i'm defending. maybe i will send a memo to michael rahman and say hey,

mr. ceo, you should tell her distributors to put the state of florida above say, china. jerry moscowitz, i'm thankful you came on tonight. that is the most vivid description i've heard. i appreciate it. >> tucker, thank you. i appreciate the opportunity. >> tucker: amazingly as coronavirus looms larger and larger in the distance since you're at high speed, our government did nothing to stop the export of goods that could prove essential if you're not just masks, though including masks. throughout january and february this country come as companies exported $69 worth of masks, ventilators, and personal protective gear to china who started all of this. today the white house issued an executive order to hold some of those exports. hillary barn has been on top of the story and we are happy to have her here. >> him white house trade advisor just announced an order, the president will sign it tomorrow, it will crackdown and show no

mercy to the so-called shady brokers that are bidding up and shipping out needed medical equipment to other countries put the new order will be enforced by customs and border patrol. >> the brokers come in, there bidding and bidding on all of these ppe, driving the price up and guess what? you know where it's going? the domestic sources here are being exported. when president trump heard about that he said, that's not going to happen anymore under my watch. >> some states struggling with the supply shortage still, supplies are being shipped out of the country by the boatload. reports of supplies going to germany, belgium, and japan peered here in the united states the shortage is serious. they told their workers to reuse the same for a week, but we have learned a u.s. agency for international development had a warehouse of masks sitting dormant in miami. i told the masks were emptied

and then exported. we are told he administration has stopped sending aid packages with the protective gear overseas. we also talked with several major medical supply distributors who tell us they are still sending loads of equipment to other countries. one company sent ventilators to wuhan china in february. one of the problems is the u.s. hasn't stopped exports of in demand medical supplies like other countries have. since march 24th, 50 countries have put roadblocks up to stop foreign buyers from scooping up vital supplies, but the u.s. has not. tucker, that could change because tonight he administration source tells us that they're looking into a next step that would crackdown potentially on companies that are shipping these medical supplies to other countries. tucker? >> tucker: hillary, thank you so much for that report. i appreciate it. public health authorities are telling us the entire country may stand her house arrest four months. is that a good idea?

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♪ >> tucker: as you saw today my personal experience, 6.6 million americans filed on employment claims last week. that's on top of more than 3 million new claims the week before. so far over 10 million americans have lost their jobs because of government mandated shutdown in response to coronavirus. how may people is that?

it's more than live in new york city. there are 41 american states with total populations smaller than this group of newly jobless workers. take a look at this graph of unemployment claims through the department of labor. we don't use a lot of graphs on the show. this one will give you a sense of how unusual this event is. don't read the numbers, just look at the line on the bottom. you will see a fairly straight line with some bumps that ends with a sharply steep spike. that spike is right now. the timeline you are looking at extends over 53 years. when the government began measuring unemployment claims, the vietnam war was still a full year from its peak. we have weathered a lot of traumatic event since that spirit of the oil shock, 9/11, the collapse of our industrial economy. the thing, none of this can remotely came close to the economic effect the coronavirus shutdown has had in america already. the scale of this hasn't quite registered yet. our leaders still seem far more

afraid of a virus that probably kills fewer than 1% affected and the prospect of a third of all americans losing jobs. we don't judge anyone for that. there is something uniquely panic inducing about infectious disease. the fear of it is in our bones, we were born with it. still, this is a moment, it will pass. a year from now, what will seem scarier? the chinese coronavirus or the economic devastation. it is worth thinking about that as we move forward. we can't. thinking about things like that have has been cast as a moral crime by a penny making class. last week we did a segment with lieutenant governor of texas, dan patrick. he is 70 years old and he has a half profile that makes them especially vulnerable to this virus. like most people in his position he is worried about being infected. he would be too. he doesn't want to get sick or died. he also has other worries. he doesn't want to see america destroyed. he wants his grandchildren to grow up in the same kind of

country that he did, prosperous, stable, employed. he said all of that honor show last monday. almost immediately the media outrage machine begin belching smoke and making loud noises. he has told people to die for the stock market! no, dan patrick was not doing that, not even close. he didn't see anything like that on the air and that's not what he meant. it didn't matter. he was vilified in dozens of new stories. saying he was trying to kill the elderly to boost exxon share prices. an environment like this one where reactive emotionally and continent people have the lot as megaphones, it's nearly impossible to see clearly or make wise decisions. that is true of everyone, in particular of everyone in power. even our most impressive and thoughtful officials. yesterday's briefing, anthony found she was asked when the restrictions on normal level and in this country come here so he replied. >> if we get to the part of the current that dr. birx showed

yesterday, when it goes down to essentially no new cases, no deaths. >> tucker: it will be fixed when we have no new cases and no deaths. how long will that be? almost nobody thought to ask. we have to be this disease. details are relevant! that is the feeling in washington right now and certainly in the press corps that covers it. details are always relevant and there is always a limit to what we can pay, that is always true great decisions we make today will echo for decades. they could radically change the future of this country. we need to try harder to keep perspective and to remain persistently open-minded in the face of this. what would've happened if we adopted a more conventional response to this epidemic? what if we asked the elderly and immunocompromised and anyone else facing sadistic higher rates and risk to stay inside. at the same time allow the rest of the

population to use and form common sense and continue to work? what if we don't let a month ago? with the death rate today be much higher than it is now? maybe, maybe not. we don't know. it's a conversation we should've had before we locked the entire country down and put 10 million people out of work. we didn't have that conversation. instead we outsourced the decision to public health officials and that is a strange irony of the moment were living through. one of the main lessons of this crisis is at the public health establishment failed us badly. the world health organization included with the chinese government to lie about critically relevant facts are in the early days of the outbreak. once the coronavirus reached our shores, the cdc conceived to produce working tests, those were disasters. many people died because the people we trusted to protect our health didn't do it. they been thoroughly discredited. at the same time though, we are being asked to trust these same people without hesitation and for the most part we are doing that. in other words, the experts

failed, yet the experts now have more power than ever before. it's below the rain come and fact it's reminiscent of 2008 when reckless behavior by the banks cripple the economy across the middle class. when i came to attempt to fix it, we put bankers in charge of the cleanup. this is not an argument against expertise. it's not a populist argument. of course bankers understand finance, epidemiologists understand coronavirus. turning to experts make sense and we should and hopefully we always will. we can't allow experts to make the big decisions. that is not their job. this is a democracy. it is our job. an infectious disease expert and he is recovering from a coronavirus infection. we are happy to have you on. thank you for coming on. >> good to meet you. >> tucker: i'm glad you could be with us given what you've been going through recently. let me ask that completely theoretical question. i don't know the answer to it but you may come closer. what is your view of this?

if a month and a half ago we decided that people at great risk, we could figure out what it might be, the elderly, would basically be quarantined and other people would use common sense and continue on, how different do you think the death rates would be at this point? if we had done that? >> as you just said, it's really impossible to know because we didn't try that experiment. on the other hand, i am not sure that the rest of the argument follows. we talk about the direct effects of people becoming ill and dying of this coronavirus infection. in new york however, the hospitals are completely overwhelmed and they can't take care people with other syndromes, heart disease, trauma, stroke, other infectious diseases. it's not just a direct effects of the coronavirus. it's the impact on the whole health care system. >> tucker: i agree. we have made that case.

>> the other thing is, the experts now that you are referring to, therefore more of us at a time that this first report had a very small group of people working on this. he mentioned the cdc, some people at nh and so forth. at this point, academics, institute, various types doing research, are all engaged. we are all in this together. i think the data we have as a result is much better than what we had. >> tucker: i am willing to believe that. i'm willing to believe almost everything i hear, but i want you t go back a couple of sentences. the death rate numbers, every day on television i'm hearing the experts that were both referring to say with great confidence, with the death rate will be under this or that scenario. here is how much we will lower edge and flatten the curve if we quarantini will country. why are they pretending to be so

certain about something that they can't know? we both agree they can't know, why are they talking like that? >> the one thing we do know is that based on what we've seen in other countries >> i was in china in january and i saw what happened in wuhan china and when i came o explain the risk. we did not move rapidly enough. i'm not casting aspersions on anyone, that is not it. >> tucker: i agree. >> what we need to do now is make a concerted decision. i think it should be made at the national level as to what we are going to do. if we have a haphazard patch quilt of some states do want to think and other states to another, it is very difficult to know where we are going to go. i think president trump at this point, he clearly has a mandate to make whatever decisions he thinks are most in the public

interest. my feeling is that if we actually do this on a national level, and best of the time, did it thoughtfully, would we be out of this sooner rather than later? if we don't do that we are going to have the same amount of pain, perhaps even more. i think we could get out of this in a matter of two months, if we focused. we are still not focused. >> tucker: right. thank you so much for coming on. >> you are one of the people who really brought this to the floor and i'm grateful to you for doing that and being as outspoken as you have. i fully support what you are trying to do, which is reach a broad slot for the american people appeared we will get through this, but we have to do it together and we have to do it with thought. >> tucker: i agree with you on the last point. i'm concerned about the cost of the long-term effects of this is starting to scare me. >> it's scaring me too. >> tucker: i think you made smelly thoughtful points.

thank you. >> bye-bye. >> tucker: alex parents and is a former "new york times" reporter who wrote a fantastic book we featured a couple of times on this show, but for the last month or six weeks he has been deep into the numbers. as a layman, but a highly informed one. we want to talk to him tonight for a counter view on this question very thank you for coming out tonight. you have heard of course the case that the doctor made and i thought it was a pretty restraint thoughtful case, but it's a variation of what we've been hearing a lot. what is your opinion of it? >> here's what i would say, i'm not an epidemiologist, i'm not a scientist, and from the same perspective i came out when i wrote the book, we talked about that a couple of times. i'm a journalist and what i think i'm pretty good at is seeing whether what people say lines up with what is really happening. unfortunately what we are saying and what we have seen for the last couple of weeks is that the

models have predicted apocalyptic things and places like new york city and in the u.k. they don't some to be what is going on in reality. in some cases, these epidemiologic models are new. they have got extremely south and a matter of days. i think we have to ask, what is going on here? whether or not there are strategies that might be less damaging to the economy that would do just as well. we have taken huge steps. we have put 10 million people out of work, more actually because the official numbers. we have caused real societal harm by disruption and we have done it on the basis of models that don't seem to line up with the reality in real time. >> tucker: let me ask you now and this is a conversation we will continue o on the show. taking a look at predictions and the outcome, it's important to keep track. give us a couple of examples about what you're talking about

when you said the models have improved accurate results. >> the most recent one is the university of washington model. it was created and released only a week ago. as of today, predicted that as of today there'd be about 50,000 people in new york state hospitalized with coronavirus. there are about 12 or 13,000. this is a model, the numbers in a week have been off by a factor of four. that is also true for icu beds, the delta there is about 3-1. meanwhile there is a state model and organ that has gotten very little attention. it was just revised on monday to show that if oregon did nothing, if it ended the lock down, the states own prediction, there would be 90 people in icu beds at the beginning of may. this is a state with more than 4 million people. if the lockdown continued there would be 30 people. that is two people a day different being in icu versus

not. the question is, are we going to lock the state of oregon down, because real societal disrupti disruption? close schools, force kids to be home with parents. in some cases, maybe stress. they'll be out of sight of teachers. i'm very worried about the domestic violence and child abuse. >> tucker: i agree. the alcoholism and the suicide, you are right. >> exactly. economic harm is a real harm. to me the question is not, should we do something? it's of course we need to do something. do these lockdowns make sense when we can't even necessarily figure out how they're working? >> tucker: i want to have you back because i think -- i want to have a lot of people back. this is a rational approach you are taking. others are as well. i think that is the way to make decisions, especially in crisis. i appreciate coming out tonight. >> thanks.

>> tucker: "the new york times" downplayed the coronavirus for weeks. they did so in public, but now they have decided to shift the blame from themselves to this program. we'll tell you what they're saying. first another look at the current situation in the city of los angeles. ♪

>> tucker: "the new york times," in case you don't read it, it's still being published where they were in a piece with his headline, "alarm, denial, blame, the trump media distortion." in the telling of "the new york times," coronavirus on this coverage followed a certain pattern. the pattern they told us when this way. blame china. according to "the new york times," "when the virus ravaged china, some pundits on the right one the country could be trusted to contain the outbreak or share accurate information about where it originated." [laughs] can you believe they thought that? where they get that idea? because it is true. the near times times does them at that. step two, played on the risks followed by step three, share survivor stories to show the virus wasn't so bad. step four, blame the left. as you are aware from watching this program and from living in this country, whatever these people accuse you of doing is 100% of the time exactly what they're doing themselves. that of course was the case

here. as you know the establishment press has been screwing up coronavirus stories from day one. there are four steps to understanding their coverage and here's what they are for the first step as usual, blame racism. your two "new york times" headlines in the early day of the outbreak, "an outbreak of racist sentiment as coronavirus which is often a loop." people's bad opinions are worse than a pandemic! here is another, "fear spreads faster than the coronavirus cells." okay. as the virus kept spreading there was step two, played on the risk. as near to hampstead. on january 29 feet paper warns you to be aware of the pandemic panic, calm down! a week later they asked, who says it's not safe to travel to china? book a ticket to wuhan, racist? somehow telling the public that coronavirus was no big deal didn't contain the virus, so they times want to step three come up with politicize the crisis. call me coronavirus the chinese virus of the wuhan virus has

bigotry, but they had no problem publishing an op-ed saying, "let's call it trump virus." last week in a shameful moment that will live forever in the end for me. the paper declared, "the road to coronavirus hell was paved by evangelicals." it's really the fault of christians, that tells you a l lot. this week the paper settled on its favorite step. step four, blame fox news. of course, as if there is a political strategy here. last week they warned about "fox's fake news contagion." there was yesterday's article. talk about a lie. they show it was telling you about the disease and january, when they times was wondering if it was racist. they were encouraging you to travel to wuhan for vacation! now we are highlighting the continued dishonesty and malevolence of china. meanwhile "the new york times" and the star reporter is going

over to msnbc to deliver unpaid infomercials for the chinese communist party. watch this. >> in china there are 40,000 doctors, nurses, respiratory technicians going all over from china to wuhan to help the doctors fight the virus. there is no more virus and wuhan. those doctors have all gone home. there've been victory parades for them, gratitude, flowers, everything for their heroes. they not only have the skills, a lot of them caught the virus and are now immune. they could do a lot of things that would be dangerous to somebody who hasn't got the virus. i don't see why we couldn't hire for our pandemic a lot of those doctors, nurses, respiratory technicians. >> tucker: if you are donald mcneil's editor and you are watching this, are you calling his supervisor saying, bring him and! he is giving away the truth! paris and chinese doctors to run our hospitals. that is his take.

that is not surprising though, apparently chinese doctors already run "the new york time "the new york times." new unemployment figures are horrifying, the largest in american history by an order of magnitude. in two weeks' time line people have lost their jobs. where exactly are we headed and what can we do to stem the bleeding at this point? people are getting worried, as they show it. melissa francis hosts after the bell on fox business and she joins us. >> hey tucker, you saw those numbers today and they are bad. they're really bad and what is terrifying about them as you highlighted, it's only the beginning. what we have done is we have shut down the economy. we have kept all the customers and side, all the businesses have shut their doors, basically except for the ones that are delivering our essentials. the rest have fired or for loaded their employees. that means now those businesses, whether we are talking about macy's, the airlines, hotels, they now can't pay their

suppliers and they can't pay their rent. those suppliers, same problem, they can't pay their rent. they can't pay their bills. if you watch the train reaction go through the economy, goes back to the bank. the last crisis started with the bank and went down to the bottom. this one started bottom up. as it goes around and around, the banks are the ones who ultimately be left holding the bag. what do they do? they all simultaneously go and foreclose on a very airplane, restaurant, belden, every chair and factory. no. they don't want those things, what are they going to do with them? it all goes back to the bank. the same thing is happening all around the world. just to make it worse, this is happening on a global level. we are watching a massive meltdown and when you ask, how do you stop the bleeding? i don't know who knows that answer. the only thing you can think of parrots and people in economic circles are talking about, is

there a way to press pause? nobody pays anyone. rather than the guy in the middle saying come i can't pay you and i also can't get paid. do we press pause somehow? it would take the best financial minds to figure out how exactly would you do that? i don't know. it is a massive problem. it is getting worse and it's happening everywhere in the globe. i'm glad jamie dimon is back on the job at jpmorgan. he is not the smartest bankers out there. we will need everybody to get together and find a solution. >> tucker: i have no sense of how complex that would be, but that does seem theoretically like a wise solution. take a holiday on payment for everybody for a couple of months. melissa francis, thank you so much for that. interesting, sad. almost all of europe has locked down, pretty much completely to contain this pandemic, but one country tonight, steadfastly refuses to go along and shut down.

how is that working? matt finn helps us take a look at what is happening in sweden. there might be lessons for us. the fda approved the first blood test for coronavirus. dr. siegel was here to explain why that matters, how that works and what it means for you. a quick look at new york city, a ghost town. ♪

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>> tucker: most of the continent of europe has implemented strict lockdowns to contain the spread of this virus. and sweden authorities are trying to very different strategy, when he might not have predicted. under the swedish approach, life is more normal, more people are going about their daily lives. the question, is it working? if so, how? matt finn is here to explain what is happening in sweden. >> swedish people are being advised to stay home if they're sick, to wash their hands, but in general people, businesses, and schools are being trusted to figure out what precautions they want to take. author frederick erickson writes in an article, "in it liberal democracy up to conveyance, not command people into action. otherwise you lose your soul." the author knowledges that swedish people could expect her coronavirus death rate to rise faster than other countries and locked down, but compares that death rate to be within the confines of a bad winter flu. the country's premier has so far dismissed calls for a lock down, say not everything can be banned

and legislated. they cheat epidemiologists at other nations have taken overly drastic measures such as closing schools or eliminating gatherings to ten people. restaurants are open, but not bussing. people are working from home, as temperatures rise, people are congregating and public. gatherings are limited to 50 people or less. people over the age of 70 are being asked to self isolate. sweden has 10 million people. the latest number from john hopkins indicates a total of 308 deaths in the entire nation. more than half of swedish households are made up of one person with perhaps limits the risk dearon tucker? >> tucker: interesting, interesting story. now what you would expect from a nation that makes that spirit matt finn, thank you. the fda just approved its first blood test for coronavirus. will that help us fight to this disease? how does it work? how can you get one?

for that we turn to marc siegel. doctor, thank you for coming on tonight. this is something that you have been hoping for for an awfully long time. what is this exactly? >> tucker, this is called point-of-care testing. rapid testing that can give you results in just a few minutes. there are a few different kinds of tests, one when you test for the virus itself. the other where you do a blood test, you test for immunity. that is what you're talking about tonight. silex was approved to see whether we can tell who has had this virus and he was immune to it. i can go back into society. we are not entirely there yet. i spoke to admiral gerard today who was the assistant secretary of hhs under alex azar. he is in charge of testing for the president's task force but here's what he said. he acknowledged a test we have already, the ones that are on the big mobile units that

require all of his protective equipment, they have a 1 out of 3 rate of not getting it right. they say you don't have the virus when you actually do. as per "the wall street journal"'s report today. that is the first problem. he likes the advent test which is a rapid test that does genetics inside your nose and tells you within 13 minutes whether you have this or not. that is not there point-of-care test that says, you have the virus, you don't have the virus. as you might imagine if i can figure out who has the virus i can figure out who has it and flatten the curve. that test, this is breaking news, that is already around the country and 800 tiny boxes that we are to use for the flu. we can now use for coronavirus. it's ready to go. the next step is these immunological tests where we for antibodies. what he said to me today and this is key, he said they are not necessarily all the same

amount of accuracy. he is overseeing to see which one will be the one that will emerge and tell us within 5-10 minutes, you are immune. you have it, you don't have it, you are immune. >> tucker: this could change an awful lot. dr. siegel, thank you for that update and i'm looking forward to hearing more. good to see you. speak what's exciting. thank you, tucker. >> tucker: editors. two weeks ago a united states senator or denied that she did anything wrong by selling millions in stock before the coronavirus crashed. now we have learned the amount of stocks she sold his far, far greater than initially thought. we will tell you details after the break. first, more images from usually bustling los angeles. ♪

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♪music) >> tucker: two weeks ago we had senator kelly loeffler of georgia on the show. senator came on to defend yourself from accusations of dishonesty and insider trading. she had sold more than $3 million worth of stock

shortly after receiving private briefings in the congress on coronavirus. she denied doing anything wrong, she said the traits were performed by her financial advisors without her previous knowledge. now new congressional disclosures show that she sold far more stock than we initially knew. between february 26th and march 11, she and her husband dumped almost $19 million of stock in intercontinental exchange, the company her husband runs. during that same period the couple also sold a million dollars worth of shares in other countries, including several retailers. meanwhile, they bought a lot of dupont, they manufacture antiviral protective gear. so did she know any of this was happening? we don't know the answer to that. if we do know that on march 10th after almost all these trades were done, she went on twitter to assure constituents that everything was fine. >> the good news is the consumer is strong, the economy is stro strong, jobs are growing. our president has done a fantastic job making sure that we are in the best position to

manage through the situation. >> sean: so again, we don't know the truth. but if she knew about these trades and still issue the little psa we showed you, she should leave office. she claims she only learned about the trades after they happen. she denies insider trading, and good. then she should welcome a federal investigation into all of this. it is not the only one who should, because she's not the only lawmaker who cashed out ahead coronavirus. richard burr of course is another, still in the senate, still a committee chairman. so is congresswoman cheri bustos, chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. members of congress were briefed on february 7th, 3 days later she sold off 50 grand and disney stock. is that a coincidence? we should find out. that's it for us tonight. another reminder, if you can be with their loved ones, call them. they will love it and so will you. have a great night, we will be back tomorrow, sean hannity takes over from new york city

where he is standing by. calm, able, ready, with a full -- >> sean: i love that you say that now at the end every show. you gave me an extra ten seconds. i want talk across them -- i have a friend of mine in the hospital right now with this being treated with hydroxychloroquine. his name is baghdadi, tucker, say hi to big daddy and tell them we wish them well. >> tucker: godspeed, big daddy, we are on your side. that's for real. and is it working? >> sean: it is. so far. we're going to have a full report on that, big updates on my. great show as always, thank you for doing that and welcome to "hannity." we have major, major new development, good, bad and some really ugly in america's fight against covid-19, including some of the most disgraceful behavior i have witnessed. you see the best in people and the worst from the same group of partisan hack democrats and the mob in the media are just awful,