pretty sick. unfortunately. people are like that. you see the best of people, the majority. the worst in others. we will never be the destroy-trump media. we seek the truth, let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham. can i start with the question? are my allowed? >> laura: you may. you can, but you also may. >> sean: you're smart. and i want your take. did you ever think that you would have people waste a week time -- worth of time to get money for the kennedy center and the arts center and the humanities and whatever? and then now they're talking in the middle of the national emergency they want to investigate the president now and in the media doesn't want to cover during in the national emergency, the president giving valuable information to the american people. >> laura: i think people think because it's a national emergency that the core controversy, the core

disagreement between the two parties, the two movements, whatever you want to call it, it's going to go away, and it's not. they're not going to be happy until they drive from from office and the matter what he does, no matter how well he handles it, no matter how many people fewer than the model and a perishing from this horrible virus, he's not going to get any credit, so i think he knows that. he's just trying to do what's best for the american people. he's not going to win -- he will never win with these people. >> sean: a small window even during a national emergency. >> laura: not really. >> sean: people need that information and how about we stop with investigations for five seconds? >> laura: no. that's how you think because you are reasonable person, that's not how, frankly, the far left things that we are going to unpack some of that tonight on the show. fantastic commentary tonight. great to see you. i'm laura ingraham, this is the ingraham angle from another of course very busy washington tonight. the models predicted that

covid-19 could kill as many as -- 2.2 million americans. now people are saying how did they get it so wrong? we are going to have answers and hear for my medicine cabinet on the latest treatment breakthroughs. bus, who's watching over your civil liberties during this national crisis. alan dershowitz takes that one on and with 6 million americans filing for unemployed this past week, what needs to happen to get this economy going again? and how, in the process, do we begin to decouple from china? mark cuban has a message for anyone who's lost hope. the media launched a despicable attack on the mypillow ceo for even appearing with the president on monday but have you seen the new york -- new daytime talk show that aired kind of midday today? raymond arroyo breaks that one all down. but first, america in shutdown,

day 17. beyond the numbers that flashed on the screen, counting those infected and killed by covid-19, and they are always horrific, we often forget through the sadness and the fear that this is also causing americans -- our american family a lot of pain. we have to ask what is this virus doing to us as a people as we deal with the victims and trying to prevent more deaths? well, apparently, it's turning us into a nation of snitches. >> if you've observed recurring violations of the stay-at-home order, please continue to let us know, coronavirusatl.a.cit coronavirusatl.a.city.org/busi ness violation. you know the old expression about snitches. in this case, snitches get rewards. we want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe. >> laura: i have a question.

who keeps us safe from you? it's become abundantly clear that in the midst of this unprecedented health crisis that there are bad actors everywhere trying to use this to their advantage. sean and i were just talking about some of them. from washed up celebrities lip-synching their greatest hits on youtube to politicians using fear to cramdown policies that would be inconceivable to us under normal circumstances. while we as a nation continue doing our part to keep the ourselves and each other safe, e cannot stand idly by as people in either party take advantage of this very complicated and dire situation. >> as a society, beyond just this immediate situation, we should start looking forward to understand how this experience is going to change us, or how it

should change us. because this is going to be transformative. wonder we get back to normal? i don't think we get back to normal. >> laura: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. we don't get back to normal? i thought the whole point of locking ourselves in our homes was to save lives, of course, and then go back to our old normal lives. the democrats think they have president trump in a no-win situation, that's obvious from the way they are acting, so they are even worried at this point about hiding their agenda. >> are you taking into consideration green jobs, green infrastructure? >> yes, and if we are going to do infrastructure, we need it big, we need it bold and we needed futuristic, which means green. there's traditional infrastructure, roads, bridges, highways, we need that, but we also need new green infrastructure for the future. >> laura: phase four, covid

meets solyndra. maybe we can call it covindra. absolutely absurd and they should be exposed and resisted at all costs by the g.o.p. come on. if they're not going green though, they are going the guns. because the same liberal governors who classified abortion clinics as essential businesses rushed in to close gun stores and nonessential. it gun owners, they weren't happy. >> we were willing to just sit by -- the right to keep and bear arms necessarily includes the right to acquire them. how can you keep, how can you bear something you can't get your hands on? >> laura: here's vaux's precut headline from earlier today. flatten the curve and your second amendment rights. check that out. mayors are also using the virus to empty their jails. some violent offenders have already gone on to commit other

crimes. and since we're talking about lawbreakers, they have advocates in the white house briefing room too. >> over 5 million immigrants in this country do pay taxes through their i.d. numbers yet they will not receive any money in the stimulus package. how do you suppose they survive during the covid-19? >> you're saying undocumented, meaning they came in illegally. and a lot of people would say we have a lot of citizens right now that will be working, so, what are you going to do? it's a tough thing. i'm not going to give you a hard and fast answer because i just want to tell you it's something i think about and it's something we're working on. >> laura: while of course everyone feels bad for everyone in this situation here and we love immigrants, the operative word, and president trump knows this, he said it's only times, is "legal" immigrants. right now, with everything where facing it's got to be americans first. but of all the scams perpetrated

through the covid nightmare, the effort to change voting -- we told you like two weeks ago this was going to happen. perhaps the worst. anything to create more opportunities for ballot harvesting or even voter fraud. >> we need $1.6 billion added to the next response bill to ensure that vote by mail, in person, early voting and election day voting can happen. >> we will probably be moving to vote by mail. >> it may mean that you have a circumstance where you have drive in voting, literally, you pull up and you vote. >> laura: i don't even know what biden was saying there. kind of trails off at the end of those sentences, doesn't he? but if not all of the democrats playing games here. a former trough administration fda commissioner -- well, he's actually seeing his own demand peak. scott gottlieb. he's on television several times a day and has the ear of the white house.

he's written a kind of road map to recovery plan that discusses the need to do a bunch of things to get back to normal, including in part tracking citizens' movements during this crisis. some of this is already happening. sources told "the wall street journal" that the federal, state, and local governments have already started collecting and studying geolocation data. it turns out that big tech is helping big brother track covid compliance. we expect this kind of stuff from china and russia, maybe even korea, but here? when i was a student in the soviet union, they watched our every move. there were informants in our hotel and that coffee -- stand up little coffee shops. and they all received special government privileges for ratting out, you know, tourists into the soviet union or even their fellow citizens. my goodness, we can't have that here. in the coming days, in the

coming weeks, we are going to be doing some tracking of our own, of the models funded by billionaires that keep americans out of work. projections that are based in faulty assumptions and in some cases even incomplete data. congress may be out of session while you're out of work, but not us. hundreds of thousands of americans die every year from horrific things, viruses, pneumonia, obviously old age, cancer, diabetes. other terrible illnesses. they also die from despair. drug overdoses. opioids. suicides. and loneliness. every life is precious and we have to ensure that winning the war against covid-19 doesn't kill the patient, which is america. and those are my thoughts at the end of this shutdown, day 17. joining me now is victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution.

the left never lets a good crisis go to waste, you and i have talked about this before, but will people see through some of these schemes that i just laid out, and will ultimately recoil and resist them? >> i think so. i mean, every tragedy, natural or man-made, there can be some good of it. you know the black plague helped and feudalism. we know that women and minorities that were vital in the world war ii industries had greater quality after the war but this is different. i mean, this is a political agenda that is the result deliberately of trying to manipulative the crisis. not that we haven't seen it. the deep state as a result of the new deal reaction to the depression. i don't think we would have had obamacare without the 2008 meltdown but that being said, we are right in the middle of people dying, and so people are advocating to manipulate the crisis and more importantly to enact an agenda that didn't have 50% support, laura. we saw that in the democratic

primaries. nobody wanted the green new deal or medicare for all or open borders and then it also presumes that things were bad before, but the reason that we are weathering this disaster the way we are is that we have the world's best economy. we have 3.5 unemployment, 7 million new jobs. at low inflation, low interest, energy production, food production -- we don't want to transform what was very good. we want to restore it and get back to it. and you and i talked last week about hillary clinton's tweet about we are america first and then showing these statistics about the number of cases and that was kind of a macabre thing to do right when we have 100,000 people suffering from this disease, but more importantly it was factually wrong because the united states, with got to get a grip on things. we're doing pretty well. if you look at per capita deaths per million population, we are about not that different from germany, which is doing the best in europe. so this pessimism in this desire

to manipulate this crisis for an agenda that does not have popular support and would transform or reject the status quo before the virus, which was the best economy we had in decades, it doesn't make any sense. >> laura: no one picked up on this -- sorry, victor -- victor, no one picked up on this but what cuomo said yesterday, it just -- it sent a chill down my spine when he said we are not going back to normal. and it's like, what? what are you talking about we are not going back to normal? yeah, we should wash our hands more and be more -- i wiped on all surfaces, i always have, but be careful, don't go to work if you're sick, but that's not what they're talking about, or is it? >> well, normal is the status quo, which is pretty go good. and governor cuomo apparently thinks that the status quo didn't help his ideology or his party or his agenda in a way

that would have changed things in november. whether we want to be blunt or, you know, naive, or whatever, the reaction, this crisis has been weaponized and it's a tragedy because we are going to come out of it pretty well, but there are people who feel that they have to emphasize the downside to enact an agenda that otherwise would not be enacted without this popular depression and anger, so we all know what's going on, and get political correctness says that we can't really identify it and condemn it because to do so, ironically, would be to be partisan in our reaction to what is clearly a partisan manipulation of the disaster. >> laura: when you have a phd, scientists, statistician statisticians, biophysics experts, nobel laureates saying "wait a second, we have to know the denominator to understand the lethality of this disease" and every life is precious, we want to keep everybody safe and

of course that's a given, but we also have to understand the cost of american lives on the other side of this. when they're saying this now, victor, you've got to imagine the policymakers at some point will hear from the people who are suffering with these job losses in these businesses and say, you know, we have lives as well and we have to somehow preserve them. >> laura, i'm sitting in a state that's the fifth largest economy in the world that's completely shut down and we've suffered less than 250 deaths and we have about 3 million people. three people per million that have died. we have twice the population of new york and we've suffered one-tenth the deaths and one 20th the deaths per capita basis and so this one-size-fits-all is absolutely insane. there are individual conditions, many of which we don't know, but we do know the results in

california should be treated in a different way than new york city and that means that we could have a graduated return to some type of normality because we don't shut down the greatest economy in the united states in california because we have three people per million dying, that's just a fact of life. when we have 760 people in california dying every day during this crisis, with out about four on average. >> laura: victor, we are going to be -- i loved your piece, by the way, which i posted in everyone's got to read and i will send it around again tonight on twitter, discussing just that, actual data, actual numbers, not to minimize any loss of life. thank you so much, important conversation to have. one of the proposals out there to contain a coronavirus is to test and then track people through their cell phones. and it sounds like something out of orwell, but why would anyone consider doing it here and what threats do these kinds of

solutions goes to your civil rights and you'd be surprised to know that this is actually already happening. joining me now, alan dershowitz, harvard law professor emeritus, author of "guilt by accusation." allen, mass surveillance. mass surveillance of the sick or asked surveillance ultimately of all of us. those were the questions being posed today online with people who saw that this was actually happening already. >> well, 50 years ago i wrote an article which was widely published called "civil liberties and the time of emergency" and i anticipated any of these issues and back then i said if you're going to curtail any civil liberties, you have to have at least two good criteria. it number there always has to be a sunset provision. that is, you can curtail it for one month and it's not automatically renewed. you have to renew it again to make sure the crisis is there.

number two, you have to be justified by public health people, not by political people. and it has to remain nonpartisan in every way and it has to be as limited as possible, so take for example the surveillance. to be considered -- being considered in other democratic countries, if it's going to be done, it has to be done on a very short-term basis. there has to be a world that says you cannot use the data for any purpose other than tracking people who are sick, and it has to be limited in every possible way. in the end, there always has to be compromises in these times of crisis. sometimes they turn out very badly. president roosevelt put 110,000 japanese americans in detention centers. it was a disaster. on the other hand -- >> laura: alan. >> president lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. so we have to balance and the most important thing is nonpartisan.

neither side can use this to its advantage. we have to have a moratorium on making political points out of this illness. we have to turn the issue over to public health people, let them decide the issues largely a public health, nonpolitical -- >> laura: i don't know. i have a problem with that as well though, alan. with all due respect to all the health professionals, they weren't elected by the people. they have a rol role in its ovey critical, important role, but they don't look at the broad picture of what this shutdown does to the unemployed, to the at risk children, to the teachers. so they're looking at one thing and they're looking at, as we found out, data that has had to be revised and changed and altered and estimates were wildly inflated and now they are coming down, and that's good news, but i mean, the idea that you just turn it all over -- i mean, trump was right i think when he said if we are up to fauci we would be closed for 18 months, he said.

>> obviously elected public officials have to make the ultimate decision subject to review by the supreme court and other courts. i'm saying listen to the public health people because they are likely to be less partisan and then make sure that the decisions take into account all the elements. but look, this is going to get worse before it gets better. the indications are where going to see many, many more deaths than the first priority has to be stop the deaths. at i don't approve of what your prior guests said. i think he was minimizing the numbers of deaths per million -- >> laura: i don't think he was at all. no. >> it's going to get much worse than that. we have to put life first, we will rebuild the economy, we are able to rebut the economy. we are a wealthy country. we have a lot of money but everybody is equal when it comes to the virus and we have to approach it in a completely nonpartisan way. nobody should be taking advantage of this. >> laura: i don't think he was doing that at all. i think he was asking questions, which is what you did after

9/11. when people started rushing in to make judgments about which constitution -- so asking questions in a time of crisis is actually necessary because in a time of crisis, everyone wants just to say no second amendment, no force to mimic, you can't criticize, can't go to church. i think that's actually -- 5 minutes. >> i'm as much opposed to limiting the right of a woman to choose abortion as i am to people who own guns. you can't use it as an excuse to stop abortion. abortion clinics, for example, don't do other things than do abortions and when you allow -- allow people or antiabortion to use it as an excuse to stop women who need abortions from getting it, that's just as dangerous and people were using the excuse to diminish other provisions. >> laura: that's a long conversation, alan, involving

the preservation of life in the preservation -- not the preservation of life. but that's a long conversation. we're going to have a time to discuss this at length but we got to balance all these concerns. great to see you. up next, my medicine cabinet with important updates.

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>> laura: for nearly three weeks i've been telling you about the drug hydroxychloroquine. while, nearly all the experts that i've talked to in the studies i've read review this information, the evidence, and at this point, it's come across as pretty much of a game changer. but not everyone is convinced. >> i wouldn't place on my bets with hydroxychloroquine. there's a rich pipeline, a lot of drugs that show activity right now. hydroxychloroquine may work, but it will say that it's being used pretty widely in italy and the u.s. and everyone is having a very robust treatment effect, we probably would have seen i it. if it's positive, it's probably not very apparent. >> laura: joining me now stephen smith, also with me is dr. william grace. former chief of medical oncology and cancer research at st. vincent's hospital in new york. all right, dr. smith. that was former fda commissioner

scott gottlieb and like dr. fauci, never seems to be all that wild about hydroxychloroquine. in your experience that you've been documenting night after night with this drug in your covid patients is what? >> it's very impressive. as i discussed last night a little bit, that we are seeing responses like you'd see someone with a severe bacterial disease. in other words, when someone comes in with severe bacterial -- antibiotics, doesn't matter. it doesn't matter how many antibiotics it gives, they are suited t to sick to tell. it's not the timing, it actually has to do with the dose. i think we need to give more hydroxychloroquine earlier to help the obese patients. we are seeing plenty of patients that are well over 100 kilograms or welliver 220 pounds, so we have to get that drug more and earlier. rather than later. we have to treat it like the malaria dose, which is over a gram and a half right up front.

so that's key. the differences are dramatic. we know the culmination of hydroxyl core point is if there. that's proven. guess he didn't hear my data and hear about the chinese data as well as the french trial data. it's unequivocal now. >> laura: it's unequivocal now, if the cheap drug, it's actually easy to make and, dr. grace, you were on the show two weeks ago, over two weeks ago, when we were talking about this and now there is a global health survey of doctors, and that just came out today and it's the go to treatment for doctors who are treating covid patients. dr. grace, you weren't surprised about this at all. you thought that's the way it was going to go down from the beginning. >> that's right. in fact, all my colleagues were treating covid-19 patients find that the drug is working and it's working better when you give it earlier in the course of the disease. we give it to everybody in our hospital who is basically

hospitalized with covid-19 symptoms. and they are finding that fewer people are getting two respirators and people are getting discharged faster because of that. they also use a azithromycin with it as the standard protocol for admission of patients with covid-19. there are many doctors that are in the community that are treating walking wounded with hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin and finding the same clinical benefits. >> laura: dr. smith, you and i talked last night about your patient's' preconditions when they come in and that they already have underlying conditions, many of them. obesity being one and high bmi, body mass index. reuters has a big article tonight about new orleans. why is new orleans coronavirus death rate twice new york's? obesity is a factor. some 97% of those killed in louisiana had pre-existing

conditions, diabetes was seen in 40% of the deaths. obesity and 25%, chronic kidney and 23% and cardiac problems and 21%. dr. smith, the statistics on the number of people who come in and die who don't have an underlying condition is obviously then quite small, correct? >> right, quite small and especially with the therapy. i think just a couple things about that. i think there are more at risk. they also accelerate more quickly, so they have not just the risk of serious illness, but the risk of really rapidly developing the serious illness. so you have more time to get to the nondiabetics with treatment and have that treatment kick in because it is that cumulative dose of hydroxychloroquine which i think is the key to the therapy. and with nondiabetics you have time to get there. with some diabetics who don't because there seems to be a feedback loop where the infection makes the diabetes

harder to control and the high blood sugar then makes the infection harder to control. by the immune system or the therapies. so there seems to be this weird feedback loop that makes it more rapidly sick, so the therapies work better -- therapy of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin therapy works better in the nondiabetic group because it's a slower disease. >> laura: dr. grace, really quick, the u.s. as comfort, the big naval ship that arrived in new york and everyone is very happy about that, it's going to treat noncovid patients. apparently "the new york times" reporting tonight that it's mostly sitting empty, infuriating local hospital executives. the ship's thousand beds are largely unused, i guess they have three patients. what's going on there? >> i think that right now not all the hospitals are at excess capacity. there are certainly those hospitals in the most densely populated areas and areas where there's more diabetes and obesity, those hospitals are

overwhelmed and i think that the other hospitals around the city where there's less obesity, less people -- people are thinner and may be more active and don't live in an area where, you know, three generations live into rooms. those of the hospitals that basically have not the problems with overextension and so you'll see that in central park, that hospital is so far not seeing patients in the ship that's in the harbor is not getting that many too. right now we are not at capacity for most hospitals. >> laura: well, let's hope that continues in that model was not accurate and we are not going to be able to get to those really disturbing numbers since that was the whole point here and if they take hydroxychloroquine, dr. smith said that is a game changer here, keep people out of the hospital perhaps altogether. gentlemen, it's great to see you both tonight, thanks so much. >> thank you, laura.

>> laura: new york governor andrew cuomo was once again touting the expert projections, underpinning that entire pandemic response. >> there's only one model that we look at that has the number of projected deaths, which is the ih mee model, which is funded by the gates foundation. that is the model that suggests approximately 90,000 deaths across the country. that's the model that i believe dr. fauci was referring to when he said about 100,000 deaths. by that, new york would be about 16,000 deaths. by that model. >> laura: well, let's get into that ih mee model. her so many hospital beds it protected new york would need right now. 56,183 beds and 10,839 icu beds. here's a hospital beds the governor says are actually being used, in other words, needed, as you can see, it's not even clo

close. 13,383 patients have an hospitalized and there were only 3,396 icu patients. joining me now is dr. -- family physician and host of the doctor delilah show. doctor, is this model, if we can -- it's ongoing, we will see how it all turns out, but if the model itself can't accurately forecast hospital bed needs, then why are they using it to estimate other important information such as mortality? >> exactly. it's one of the most comprehensive models we have, but unfortunately, it changes every day because as they're getting more information from hospital in changes in terms of bed availability -- so the number is so fluid and i think a big issue which kind of spoke about with your previous guest as we are really getting the data. i don't think we're getting all of the data we need from the hospitals to make a mark

accurate model and to understand who is dying, why they are dying, who's doing well with the hydroxychloroquine. i think we need more data from each of the hospitals to kind of get a better grip of what's going on. >> laura: yeah, the italian science advisor to the health ministry, dr. walter, he said in an interview with the daily telegraph that they had to go back and reclassify a lot of the deaths in italy that they had categorized as covid deaths and i think it ended up being only 12% of them that they had categorized as covid were actually covid deaths, they were related to diabetes or underline really serious -- really serious underlying conditions. elderly patients. he described it as we had very generous designations of these deaths for the coronavirus. so it looks like italy in some cases is going back and

reclassifying those debts. how significant is that given these underlying conditions that dr. smith is documented in patient model? >> exactly coming us. so when we look at flu, let's say, the estimate between anywhere between 20,060,000 flu-related deaths a year, they also look at those might've had a heart attack for those who might've had bacterial pneumonia and then we have to decide was at the flu that put them at risk for heart attack or the flu that put them at risk for pneumonia? same thing with coronavirus. if somebody died of cardiovascular disease, they coincidentally have coronavirus or to the coronavirus because heart attack? this is information that, again, we doctors need to know. >> laura: we know people die of coronavirus and we know they die with coronavirus, but it's one of those -- as one of those chinese researchers set i think it was yesterday, you have to distinguish between the two and it's not easy to do. it's not an easy process. thanks so much, great to see you tonight. >> thank you for having me.

>> laura: coming up, jobless claims broke another record. it's heartbreaking this week as millions more americans got laid off. so when will this bleeding stopped? mark cuban thinks that while times are tough, the economy is poised for a massive comeback. he's going to tell us why next.

today i want to speak with you about coronavirus and a few practical ways your family can stay healthy. first, hand washing is essential. children should wash their hands after coming in from outside, before eating, after coughing, sneezing or blowing their little noses. second, limit all crowds and explain that no one is shaking hands or hugging because that is how germs can spread. what changes need to be made now, i encourage parents to let children know this will not last forever. i urge you to stay connected to family and loved ones, stay safe and remember while many of us are apart,

we are all in this together. please be sure to follow cdc guidelines which can be found at coronavirus.gov along with other information and resources. ♪ >> laura: now jobless claims shattering another record. that's not a record you want to shatter, for the second week in a row. the number of americans filing for unemployment benefits spiked to 6.6 million people, that's more than 10 million jobs lost in two weeks. it is terrific and it is demoralizing. in the realize when real people behind every statistic. but my next guest is america has the ability to come out of the stronger than ever before. joining i was cuban, first of

all, i'm a massive fan of -- we need shark tank thinking right now. but people are really down, i've got to tell you. i'm getting emails, people are so down for a whole bunch of reasons, but a lot of them related to not being able to go to work or their children go to school. what needs to happen coming out of this? >> you know, we are going to go through a reset. i don't know when we're going to get from america 1.02 america 2.0, but we will get there. and what needs to happen is we have to realize that we are the most entrepreneurial country in the world. that we are a country full of people were going to start businesses and that's was going to lead us through all of this. somebody has a vision out there of what we are going to look like on the other side and when we look back in five years, we are going to realize that there are five or ten or 25 amazing companies that were started that just changed the world and lead us through all of this to a brighter future.

>> laura: of course, mark, what a lot of folks are talking about are our reliance on china for basic necessities. things like generic drugs, a lot of these anti-inflammatories, a lot of the supplies that we don't have. we have to go begging and scraping and bowing to a communist country that subjugates its own people and lies about a disease to be able to get our own stuff. what has to happen on that basic level? >> there's two questions there, one is what do we do in general because we are seeing a lot of our supplies not being available and not being dependent on manufacturers in china and around the world. first thing we need to do is start investing in the future of manufacturing. not to try to recreate what we did in the past but looking towards robotics and software and automation in such a way that we can just dominate that area. you know, a lot of people are concerned that if we don't do it the old way have manufacturing lines we won't have enough employment, but there is so much

intellectual capacity here that i think really we can take robotics to a level where we bring back almost all that manufacturing and create a surplus of jobs. but we have to focus on that and when we look at an infrastructure bill, i truly believe it's got to be infrastructure 2.0 where we focused not just on redoing streets and roads and bridges, but focus on robotics and future technologies so we can define and take over in the future. >> laura: and that means that american companies, mark, does it not -- they have to think patriotically too. and people hear the word nationalism, and that's scary, i get with their skin , but if we don't heal ourselves, we're not going to be worth anything to help other people. i'm not going to worry about any country, other countries, we're not going to fund the military until my kids can learn to do robotics in school. they're not going to want to do anything, so what about that aspect of it? >> this is just good old-fashioned capitalism with

some support from the government. we invested in nasa, we wanted to go to the moon, the president wants to go to mars. rs. we invest at the nih, national institute of health, most of the single molecule drugs that come out of their lead to the biggest discoveries that are pharmacy companies have. it's not unusual to invest in technology to lead the way in the world and that's what we have to do. most of our drugs come from china and india. they are not well-conceived and we have to take that back over. but this, again, this is what capitalism is all about and this is why i know we can make it work. >> laura: and mark, what are you doing for your many, many employees during this difficult time? i know we all employ people -- i'm lucky enough -- i don't have enough -- as many as you to worry about but i'm keeping my employees on. you just have to. >> good for you, laura. with the mavericks, even of the nba season has been suspended, we continue to pay them as we are continuing to play. i have a restaurant in l.a., where paying the bar backs, the

bartenders, the waiters, the waitresses, everybody is if we were still open and we're doing that for other companies as well. for those people who can afford it, it's just the right thing to do. >> laura: and do you think the stimulus -- a lot of people are calling me up saying i know they had to do something, but it's not getting to the small businesses -- the businesses that don't make that 500 person cap. they're worried about being able to pay their rent, pay their commercial real estate loans and so forth, are you worried about that? >> no. actually i thought it was a great move. get the administration a lot of credit. if you own a small business with under 500 employees or even if you own a franchise that's part of a large organization with more than 500, you need to go right to spa.gov right now and then go to your bank at midnight because that's when it opens up. any company with under 500 employees, the government will pay your payroll for the next three months if you don't fire anybody and possibly higher people, you don't have to pay it back. that's the best deal ever

offered in the history of business. >> laura: all right, mark, it's great to see you, come back soon, okay? >> i hope so, thanks for having me. >> laura: all right. all right. i have a question, is a new daytime talk show emerging from the coronavirus crisis? might give "the view" a run for its money. it raymond arroyo breaks it all down next. memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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♪ >> laura: on monday, after the president invited the mypillow guy, mike lindell, to the rose garden pressure to announce his commitment to manufacture surgical masks for the corona fight, well, ike lindell was pilloried in the media. >> these briefings could be i think better design. not have these, you know, p.r. stunts like mr. pillow coming out and giving up plug for his company. >> those press briefings have become his new apprentice. >> it seems crazy to me that everyone is still taking them when you've got the mypillow guy getting up there talking about reading the bible. >> laura: they are obsessed with the mypillow guy, really got under their skin. maybe they need a better nights sleep. that was then, but today we saw a bit of a self-serving display by a politician and there's been zero media criticism. for more where joined fox news contributor raymond arroyo. raymond, tell us about the cuomo

hour today and i first want to say, we wish chris, the absolute best. he looked like he was a little tired, but i'm sure he's going to be fine. he's fit and in good shape, so he has the coronavirus, he's positive for it. >> you might call it the coron corona-cuomo hour. andrew cuomo during his daily press briefing invited his brother chris to join him. as he said, he's covid-19 positive. we wish chris the best, we wish him a quick recovery, we are sorry he's sick but it's not like he's dedicating 75% of his manufacturing line to create needed supplies as mike lindell is. at moments, for cuomo and cuomo love-and felt like a bit like a new daytime television show, laura. >> i love these -- i think you should have one every day. >> yes. i have been buried i know you haven't noticed. you have cuomo prime time, i have cuomo all the time. >> cuomo all the time, laura.

i thought andrew cuomo was going to start giving away cars at on. i mean, this was really -- he was feeling the vibe there. but look, as biden goes into a free fall, he's like the ghost of elections past at this point, begging from for a phone call. andrew cuomo has taken the nation's attention. he's doing his star turn and for those who think i'm making too much of this, it really did feel like a day block show. there was even a book segment. >> i was going to send you a book on beginners guide to start bass fishing but that's only because you normally fish for porky's and it's totally different to fish for striped bass. >> i appreciate it. i love to learn. i love to fish with you, it's one of my favorite things to do. >> laura: i have a question. i have a question, ramin. wait, wait, wait. i have a question. this was an official briefing for the entire state? >> yes.

at this was the official -- >> laura: what! >> the formal briefing, the governors briefing. there was also a daytime dog segment, laura. i kid you not. >> the dogs won't even [inaudible] i had to trick the dogs to come in to take a picture with. >> is not a relationship issue is that like a canine issue? >> this is classic andrew cuomo. >> laura: yeah. >> he's bringing the family in. this is like jimmy fallon bringing his daughters into do the show. it's warm, sentimental, but this is the governor, by the way, who for a month did no press conferences. now is bringing the whole clan and we are talking about dog photos and fly-fishing. if this pretty amazing. he is a master politician and i think cementing his way to 2024. he went out of his way to justify his brother's appearance there was a lot of fawning daytime talk repartee. look. >> this is going to be a great public service in an ironic way.

you living it, showing it, doing it, doing the show. you are answering questions for millions of americans. >> i will do it whenever i can. i will enjoy watching it now that i know that it's a regular thing. i will watch it every day because i'm stuck in the basement. >> thank you for saying such loving, supportive things. >> laura: [laughs] >> there's even comedy here and this was the press briefing. this was the coronavirus press briefing. all andrew cuomo needs at this point is a band, laura. he's found his niche. >> laura: that is a great idea. and people need to have their spirits lifted that was kind of acute back and forth, but it really did look like it produced television show. we got to go but we will see you tomorrow for friday folly. you take care. coming up, we will tell you what the media won't tell you about president trump next.

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>> laura: here's something you won't hear the other networks reporting. guess what?

the trump campaign since last thursday has been calling up local restaurants and ordering large amount of foods to be delivered to a dozen hospitals in new york, new jersey, washington state, and michigan. the campaign has been placing these orders anonymously. good for them. that's the spirit. let's keep it up. that's all the time. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team always have a great spirit, and they take it from here. shannon? >> shannon: yeah, we'd like to hear the good news, as well. laura, thank you so much. tonight, the coronavirus crisis sending shock waves the economy. 10 million americans applying for unemployment benefits in just two weeks, many for the first time. tonight, when economist believes there is still time to preserve the once thriving u.s. economy. he joins us live to explain. the president getting tough with at least one american company and says there is more to come. tonight, the commander in chief using the defense production act to target and 95 mask production giant 3m