pandemic greater on the fox news channel. ed and i will see you on monday morning. have a great weekend, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: and we begin with a burst of cases around the globe. we have gone past 1 million confirmed covid-19 cases. the united states represents nearly one quarter of those reported cases, more than italy and spain combined. the united states also surpassing 6,000 deaths overnight. this, as nearly nine in ten americans are now under some sort of stay-at-home order. however, top infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci says he does not understand why every state has not issued such an order. >> i don't understand why that's not happening. as you said, the tension between federally-mandated versus states' rights to do what they want is something i don't want to get into. but if you look at what's going on in this country, i just don't

understand why we're not doing that. we really should be. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. dr. janette nesheiwat, city md director and fox news contributor. joining us today, davi david as, host of "bull & bears" on fox business, in the center seat or in the center virtual couch. he is "outnumbered." dr. nesheiwat, i will come to you first on this burst above 1 million, this milestone around the globe. is this what we anticipated? have we turned a corner globally, or not? >> dr. nesheiwat: hey, harris. these staggering numbers are heartbreaking, and i have to say i don't even think they are accurate. i think the numbers are much, much higher. for example, when i'm in the office, when i'm taking care of patients, i am only able to test and swab a fraction of the patients. when i know most of them have it. out of 50 patients i'm able to

swab maybe five or six, and i know at least 40 or 45 of them are positive. we're just not able to swab them. we did estimate that up to 2.2 million deaths would occur if we did not engage in any mitigation and containment strategies. so these are the numbers that have been predicted, with the models, with the curve we've seen on the graph by dr. birx and dr. fauci. that's why we have to continue to prepare, prepare with supplies, ppes, ventilators, social isolation, physical distancing. i really do believe these numbers are a lot higher, they are just being underreported right here in this country. >> harris: right here in this country, and, of course, some reporting this week, david, that china has not come forth fully with all the numbers they have. just to add into that, david, we weren't really adding in the asymptomatic carriers of covid-19, so they say. but according to dr. nesheiwat,

there are cases and deaths we don't know about, potentially, around the world. >> david: 1.3 billion people. a population of 1.3 billion, and their overall number and death number really hasn't moved much at all in the past month. are we really to believe that? when we've seen it spread so far all over the globe, in so many different places, it is hard to believe. of course, the degree to which the world health organization sort of enabled china with some of his lies. we know what they've done with their people, too. any doctor that protests their numbers or protests anything about their health care system disappears. of course, famously, dr. li died as a result of getting the coronavirus, which he warned everybody about. china is a big problem. having said that, the question i have for dr. fauci is, when to be begin to open again?

there is nothing about dr. fauci that i don't admire. i've been an admirer of his from the 1980s when he was instrumental in curbing hiv in the united states. he really is a remarkable man. i'm just wondering, at what point does he see it possible to reopen our country? we have a month that we are all secured for, and i just wonder, do we wait until we get down to zero deaths? if that is his number, i'm wondering -- >> harris: they haven't indicated at all of the number. dr. fauci, in fact, dr. nesheiwat, was sitting at his news appearance yesterday -i should correct that, in his interview appearances yesterday --dash that he was concerned not everybody was social distancing. not just that there wasn't this blanket for the entire nation, and everybody, every state needs to participate, but that people are still not abiding by this. i hear david saying, "when do we get there?" my question is, when do you get to the point where we are all

doing the same thing in making a difference at the same time? or is that necessary? >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely necessary. i completely agree. 9:00, 10:00 at night, i was heading home after my shift on the subway. there is so many people out, i had to look for seat on the subway to keep 6-10 feet in front of me. what is going on here? i have to be careful, i don't want to go out and come up to the people and say, "what are you doing? you shouldn't be out partying and drinking." i literally see young folks out on the subway platforms eating and socializing. and it's heartbreaking to me. we are not being compliant with social distancing, with physical distancing. we really do need to crack down on that, otherwise april 30th is going to have to be pushed to may 30th, june. we don't want that. we want to get back on our feet and get back to her normal lives as soon as possible, obviously. >> harris: dagen? >> dagen: just a couple things. i was at a grocery store here in

new york city. about people aren't listening, this is the epicenter of this virus, this fight in the united states, and there were tourists at the supermarket. they were very clearly tourists. i wanted to stop and ask them, "why are you here? did you stay over from arriving in new york city several weeks ago?" that being said, these orders from local officials and even governors, they do seem to work. "the new york times" did this incredible piece looking at anonymous cell phone data from 15 million people, and it was a map they had of movement around the country. americans in large parts of the west and northeast, where we are, and the midwest, have complied with state and local orders and have reduced their travel recently to less than a mile a day from about 5 miles. this is critical in reducing the spread of this. alternatively, half a dozen of the most populous counties where residents were traveling widely

last week were in florida, where the governor, until the middle of this week, resisted a statewide order for people to stay home. so, i think folks just need to have the you-know-what scared out of them to make them stay at home. >> harris: yeah. you know, melissa, i think back to the greatest generation. it wasn't the you-know-what, it was love and it was patriotism. and there were other things going on with people wanting to be called upon at a time of need. i think about those 20,000 people who come to new york and answer the call. i don't know that it needs to be put out there that you've got to be too scared or frightened not to want to help. that's the american thing to do, isn't it? >> melissa: it is. i mean, i just wonder -- and i know david is sort of in this camp with me -- i wonder, in the long run, when we look back at this, it does seem like it spread all over new york. at this point, i don't know

about the efficacy of staying inside indefinitely. who doesn't know ten or 12 people who have it at this point, personally? >> harris: i don't. >> melissa: it has run rampant, all over the city, at least. maybe you just don't know, they aren't telling you about it. >> harris: that's a good point. >> melissa: i'm just saying, it's everywhere already. i don't know -- at this point we are destroying our economy. we are going to talk about this later. but that part is so scary to me. i don't know about the continued stay inside. i'm losing faith in it. >> harris: dr. nesheiwat, when i hear the word "money" in the same conversation about lives, i do want to press in and just make sure we are doing the right steps and all of this. >> dr. nesheiwat: yeah, you can't put a price tag on lives. i completely agree with dagen. we really got to make extra efforts to let people understand that this is

critical. lives are at stake, here. whether it takes fear or love, whatever it takes. obviously, we are not china and the philippines where they beat and use violence and guns to convince their people to stay at home. it's a huge burden on the economy, obviously, and patience. i feel just as bad for people who are losing their jobs and the economy as my ill patients. it's very difficult, very challenging moment for americans. if we all really adhere to the guidelines and stay home -- i agree with dr. fauci, if people aren't going to be compliant, we do need to put down some odors, national lockdown orders. just temporarily, so we can save lives and reduce the number of hospital admissions and intubation's and i and icu admissions , and save lives. it has now become normal. another patient come he can't believe, needs to be intubated. it should be normal for me. it shouldn't be. >> melissa: i need to get in one more time before we go

here -- >> harris: david, you are saying, "what do we need to get down to to get to zero?" i'm looking at that list of all the states that are now -- i mentioned 90%. there are now about ten or 11 who still don't have those declared statewide stay at home orders. florida came on board yesterday. the miami mayor wants people to stop traveling from new york and other hot spots to his city today. if you take a look at this map, david, i think you do ask a really good question. what is the end goal here? is it just to flatten the curve? what does that mean? as i was saying, i haven't heard anybody exactly say. >> david: i was amazed to hear the subways are still crowded. i have the luxury of being able to walk home. i live about half an hour walk from our studios here in midtown manhattan, so i walk to the upper west side. every morning i walk to work,

and every evening i walked back. i just don't see anybody crowded at all. >> dagen: because they are led to the hamptons, david. they all went to florida. >> david: no, no. that's not true. my apartment building is filled with people that i rarely see, but i talked to the doorman about it. they are still there. there are a lot of very responsible new yorkers who are doing what they are doing. in some situations of the miami spring break out here and i haven't i am shocked to hear the subways are not practicing what we are supposed to be preaching. >> dagen: i could tell you come in the grocery store yesterday -- >> david: but i do believe new yorkers are trying their best to pull their weight here, doctor. it is such a shame that they are still so many patients coming in. >> david: i can tell you, in the grocery store yesterday, there were at least two dozen people who came within 2 feet of me. i thought about buying a giant elizabethan cone of shame that you would put on your dog to look crazy enough that people would stay away from me. >> david: you should do that.

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streak. the employment rate jumping to .4% from a 50 year low, and 3.5. help appears to be along the way. secretary mnuchin announcing this morning that community banks have already processed over 700 small business loans. yesterday he said stimulus checks will soon start landing and americans' accounts. >> i'm also pleased to report the economic impact payments. i had previously said this would take us three weeks. i'm pleased to report that within two weeks the first payments will be direct deposited into taxpayers' accounts. >> melissa: for those without direct deposit, the secretary promises checks will go out in a matter of weeks. house democrats worn some americans may have to wait up to five months before getting their money. david, let me ask you this, because when people talk about, "how can we talk about health and money in the same sentence?"

i hear people criticizing those who are talking about the economy. that's really a rich person's criticism. everybody on this show, everybody you see on tv, really, still has a job. when he talked about families at home who have had their paycheck and everything ripped away from them by this, that's a health hazard. i'm just really, really concern for people that i see out there who have lost their income and their prospects for jobs. what that leads to inside of family and where the food is going to come from, david, how concerned are you about all this? >> david: oh, i'm very concerned. particularly, i think about the roll out of obamacare. a member the computer glitch that led to weeks and weeks and weeks of trying to fix it? we have the same kind of glitch. i don't need to tell you, melissa, not everything the government plans works out the way they planned. if there are more glitches, the folks who are at home who maybe aren't yet at a point of desperation, but in a week or

two weeks or three weeks or, god help us, a month or more, if they are still not getting those checks, whatever form of assistance they are getting from this $2.2 trillion rescue plan that the government has worked out, they are really going to be in trouble. thankfully the one good thing -- probably the only good thing -- about this crisis is it has brought people together in a way i haven't seen since 9/11. at least in my little universe of newark. you see families that usually are doing their own thing all getting together. maybe people can help each other. the government has to perform here. they do have a rescue plan. it is directed at individuals, many of whom were immediately out of work because they work for a restaurant or whatever. if they were in any kind of business that had person had person-to-person contact, they were almost immediate the out of work. those people need help and they need it now. let's hope the government can really perform, here.

>> melissa: yeah. dagen, the employment numbers are absolutely staggering. i know larry kudlow was on a short time ago saying there is $6.2 trillion in aid going out. if you have a small business, go to the sba website today. they will tell you where to go to look for that loan money. 350 billion available as of today, if you have a small business. degen, what are some of the other details and opportunities? you been tremendous going over it. we've highlighted some of the places you can go to look for workloads. i heard you say earlier, amazon has already hired 80,000 people. >> dagen: wright, 80,000 of the 100,000. this update on treasury secretary mnuchin, at 11:30 a senior treasury official told edward lawrence at the business network that the banks had made $889 million' worth of the small business loans. they are really grants. if you keep your workers on.

the big banks like wells fargo and bank of america have started lending. as expected, as we were told by the treasury secretary, this is starting to happen. this is one of the most critical things that are going on. usually we pay workers if they get laid off. this is working in two ways. we have expanded unemployment benefits come up to 39 weeks, an extra $600 per week for four months. that's $1100 a week in new york, for example. we have that. we have the checks, $1200 that are going out. we have the incredible business program where we are giving money to businesses to not lay people off. that is also happening with the $500 billion within the rescue plan from last week, that is conditional on people and businesses keeping their employees on. we do need -- i will just shut up, but we do need some guidance from the government about what the plan is for revival and recovery. the benchmarks that david was

talking about, about how many lives lost. >> melissa: n, dr. nesheiwat, another thing that really concerns me is i look at the map new york and it shows you which neighborhoods are hardest hit by the coronavirus. it is the outer boroughs, and a lot of low income neighborhoods are where people are getting the most sick. those are also the places we blurting the most financially, because they are the ones they don't the savings and have been laid off, and have been laid off almost immediately from their jobs. my concern is, really, the same communities are getting hit the hardest doubly by both the virus and the economic consequences. does that follow with what you are seeing in terms of the patients who are coming in? >> dr. nesheiwat: it's heartbreaking. i was working on junction boulevard, a couple days ago. not only am i diagnosing patients with coronavirus, but also i'm diagnosing undiagnosed diabetes. those patients are coming in because they can't breathe and their lungs sound horrible, like

the crumbling of a piece of paper. they looked pale and weak and they also say, "i've been a lot, my mouth is dry." i do blood sugar, it's 400. it's multiple comorbidities. undiagnosed medical disease, plus they are uninsured or they don't speak english or they don't have a doctor, they've got coronavirus on top of that. it's heartbreaking. it's very difficult. we really got to put our foot down as far as providing the care that we need and making sure that we enforce physical distancing. we've got so many patients who are also so underprivileged they are living together under a small roof. you have like five or six people living under one roof, it's so hard to do the quarantining of one person to prevent the spread to the rest of the family. it's just a vicious cycle. >> melissa: yeah. that's going to be one of the biggest things that comes out of

this, too. the folks that didn't know they had pre-existing conditions and found out, unfortunately, as they got sick here. we are going to see more of that for sure. meantime, two navy hospital ships were sent on an urgent mission to take the stress off of overwhelmed health workers in los angeles and new york city. so far, the ships have treated fewer than 40 patients combined. are there better ways to utilize them? ♪ i'm your mother in law.

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>> harris: two navy hospital ships sent to treat noncoronavirus patients in los angeles and new york city. their mission is to free up space for their overwhelmed health care. reports so far? they have treated fewer than 40 patients combined. in los angeles, the usns mercy is treating just about 15 patients. in new york city, the usns comfort, about 20 patients yesterday and only three of its 1,000 hospital beds have been put to use. in a statement, the pentagon has cited streamlining the process for getting patients approved for treatment on the comfort. new york city mayor bill de blasio says he is optimistic. watch. >> i've talked to our colleagues in the navy. i don't have a question my mind that number is going to change very rapidly. i'm sure that ship will be very

slow soon. they have to be smart about the cases they take and create a protocol that's going to work. because it's going to get very busy very quickly next week. >> harris: meanwhile, major convention centers that were initially built to treat noncoronavirus patients, including new york city's javits center and locations in new orleans and dallas, are now being repurposed to treat covid-19 patients. doctor, i want to start with just the change in those different cities now. we will get to the comfort and the mercy in a moment. was that necessary? i mean, was it too lofty a goal to only take the pressure off treating noncoronavirus patients at this point, when you pointed out most of the people coming in for help have covid-19 at this point? >> dr. nesheiwat: yes, the thing is, we have to protect the sailors, the personnel on the ship. look what happened to the diamond princess cruise ship. it spread like wildfire. everyone got it because you are in such close quarters.

i think it's smart to initially try to make every effort to try and prevent covid patients from having to get on the ship. i would rather see them go to the javits center or to central park where there is more spacious air and you have more elbow room, if you will. i think it's too dangerous to bring them onto the ship. as a last resort, sure. but we should use that ship for people who have, you know, maybe a stroke or heart attack, appendicitis. i actually had a patient, again, yesterday, he was having severe abdominal pain. i did not want to send him to the hospital. i was looking to see, can i send him to the usns comfort? it turned out he had a problem with his gallbladder, cholecystitis. it turned out the way it had to work is i had to send them to the hospital first, and from the hospital they have to arrange him to go to the ship instead of me being able to send them directly to the ship. >> harris: i have an update for you. general o'shaughnessy has said this. "norad north

command, of course come overseas and control of the hospital falls under their command. they have changed the process of sending noncoronavirus patients to a local hospital for initial screening before they are sent to the ship. now that screening is being done on the pier. i do want to point out, dagen -- and i will go to you with this -- about logistics. because you were in new york, i'm in new jersey. you guys are probably hearing more about this than i am. the design of these ships is to treat combat casualties, and they have circulating air with small rooms. so they are not really set up for infectious diseases. with so many people in new york, and now they don't have to go to the hospital, you guys are talking about how many people you potentially know who have covid-19. how are they going to handle this i guess is my question. i don't even know if that something all of us can handle or answer, but i'm curious to know what you think. >> dagen: i was listening to governor cuomo's press

conference earlier. this was a quote from him. "we effectively don't have noncovid patients." because people are sheltering in place, you don't have, say, car accidents, violence. i just want to point out -- and this is not "yay, cuomo, yay, trump." yesterday afternoon he converted the javits center into being able to accept covid patients, people with coronavirus. about 2,503,000 beds. governor cuomo said the president did it despite federal agencies not able to do it. you want to talk about the speed with which people are making decisions and making things happen to save lives, that is example number one of it. >> harris: that's a really good point, the speed at which these decisions are being made. david, it will end with you. this question, about -- we keep coming back to, "are we there

yet?" melissa and i will sometimes joke about that because it's like a car full of kids. "are we there yet?" we are not there yet. we are hearing now of a second surge in parts of asia and other countries that are sort of leaning back a little bit on their restrictions and having to lean even further with restrictions of a crowd know him bigger than two people in some areas. >> david: even countries that have done so well that they become a model, like singapore. of course, singapore is kind of a city-country. it's very, very small. but they are beginning to worry and tighten their restrictions even more. we thought they had licked it. but there are these second ways. i just have to say something about dr. nesheiwat, because i've been a big fan of hers for a long time. for those who are on instagram, they should take a look at what she is doing on instagram. because you see her now in her nonscrubs and everything, you don't realize that she is a

woman who is working 24/7 with her sleeves up with covid patients. i've just got to take my hat off to you. you are doing a magnificent job. forgive me for taking my time to do that, but people need to know how wonderful you are. >> harris: amen. >> melissa: that's true. >> dr. nesheiwat: thank you. >> harris: it's so true. dr. nesheiwat, thank you. i know you talk about not bringing enough swabs to do testing. you bring forth those long nighttime shifts to our viewers. like david says, we are grateful for who you are and what you do. >> dr. nesheiwat: thank you. my mom, who is a widow with five kids and a nurse, raised me and taught us to give back to the community and do everything you can to help take care of one another. so i feel very blessed to be a doctor and help take care of patients in the community. >> harris: amen. wow. i'm right there with you. we will have more on the navy ships comfort and mercy coming up, and their role in fighting covid-19, when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, joined me

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♪ >> melissa: vice president mike pence yesterday announcing new guidelines for wearing face coverings in public will be released in the coming days. president trump also weighing in. >> i think they are going to be coming out with regulations on that. if people want to abide by them, frankly, i don't think they will be mandatory. because some people don't want to do that. if people wanted -- as an example, on the masks, if people want to wear them, they can. if people want to use carbs which we have, many people have

them, they can. in many cases, the scarf is better. it's thicker. >> melissa: this, as officials and the san francisco bay area are now recommending a residence where face coverings while in public. dr. nesheiwat, let me ask you, i feel like we received so much conflicting advice about this, and guidance. i know we don't want people to go out and hoard the masks that are desperately needed in the hospitals. that's what we are saying face coverings, it is the idea that you just put something over your face to provide a barrier for those water droplets that may be carrying this virus. what would you tell people? >> dr. nesheiwat: yes, i agree with you. so, what the cdc is recommending, obviously if your health care worker you are the priority. you need to wear the mask. if we get sick, we can't take care of our patients. it's already a strain and the burden on the hospital system.

if your health care worker, if you have coronavirus, obviously you need to wear a mask. for those who are asymptomatic and are just fearful, okay, if you want to cover up you can use a covering. the guidelines change. as we learn more about this virus, we will see guidelines change. we nee need to be up-to-date wih these guidelines. that's normal for this to happen, to assume now, "okay, water droplets, they can get into your mouth and enter your eyes. they can enter your nose." so it's not necessarily that you have to cover up with a mask, but use a covering. the concern with masks is that, if people are putting a mask on their face, fiddling with it, their hands are dirty, they will enter virus particles into their eyes come into their nose, into their mouth, onto their face. sure, if you will be outside -- would you shouldn't be, he should be at home and sheltered, maybe self-quarantining if you are exposed -- fine, but a covering over your mouth, over your nose. the key is, here, you are going to have to wash it. you have to be careful.

it's okay to wear it, protect yourself, you want to protect against those large water respiratory droplets if someone is coughing and sneezing and you happen to walk right by them. it could get into your mucous membranes and you could become infected. a mask, a large covering -- i'm sorry, not a mask, a large covering. a scarf, yes. but make sure you're watching it. once you remove it and handle it, you could potentially be self contaminating yourself. >> melissa: david, in some ways i look at this as the things that will become normal after this. much like 9/11, when he became used to the idea that when he went to the airport you were going to take off your shoes, your belt. so many things changed as a result of 9/11. i wonder what you think about the idea, is it going to be that we all walk around with masks for a while? or is this one of those things that will go away? what do you think? >> david: i'm a little old-fashioned, i keep a handkerchief in my pocket. that something i got from my dad. but it doesn't reach around, so i've got to buy a whole new

bunch of bigger handkerchiefs just in case. as dr. nesheiwat said, you have to wash them all the time, too. you can't just rely on that. i don't know, there are a lot of things that are going to change. you're right. one of the things that has to be scaring the heck out of the leisure and hospitality business is that the whole thing going to change? you have half the number of seats, at least half the number of seats in restaurants and theaters, sporting events. that means half the revenue had all these places. can they survive with that? i don't mean to keep bringing it back to business, but that is my area. i am thankful that people are adhering to all of these changes, and they have two during the course of this virus, but i wonder what is going to happen in the long term. >> melissa: dagen, that is one of the things we keep thinking about. what is permanent from now on? what are sort of the implications of that? what are your thoughts?

>> dagen: the reason we are doing this is because we come as a nation -- it is governed by states and mayors and local communities. but we've got to try everything to prevent the spread of this virus. at least initially. historically, you're talking about just face masks, there was a 2005 study that did find face masks reduce respiratory virus transmission by 10%. 10% gets us a long way to preventing more deaths from this virus and getting us back to work in a few months. >> melissa: yeah. that's true. if this gets us closer to reopening america and getting people back to work, back to school, that would make a big difference. thank you. the acting navy secretary explaining his decision to remove the captain of an aircraft carrier who sounded the alarm on the coronavirus outbreak aboard the ship, as sailors on board gave this reaction as their captain left the vessel for the last time.

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>> harris: acting navy secretary thomas modly removing the commander of the u.s. aircraft carrier hit by a major covid-19 outbreak. it happened just days after the

captain of the uss theodore roosevelt wrote a memo pleading with navy leadership to take decisive action to save the lives of the q on board. the captain copied some 20-30 people on that memo, and it leaked to "the san francisco chronicle." secretary modly defended his decision. watch. >> in unnecessarily read the lambs with no plans to address those concerns. he raised concerns about the operation of the abilities and operational security of that ship. he could have emboldened our adversary sit down mike take advantage and undermined the chain of command moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get them the help he needed. >> harris: however, crew members aboard the vessel had a reaction that lit up social media when the captain left the ship for the last time.

[crew chanting] captain crozier"] >> harris: you can hear them shouting his name, "captain crozier." david, you have family members in the military. i know this is something you have talked about in the last 24 hours a lot. >> david: oh, yeah. we have been dealing with a lot of emotional subjects and this is another one. this is a tragedy all around. he did violate the chain of command. there is no question about that. but he did it to save his sailors and his marines. the marines on board, as well. it's not so much what he did but the way he did it. copying that letter, that memorandum, to 20 people, win or move down mike more of whom leaked it and it got out to the world, to us and other media outlets, that is sending a message to our adversaries out there. we are not at war right now, but

there are a lot of people who want to do us ill will. this is a huge military vehicle. it carries numerous aircraft, et cetera. is very important in piece of our military arsenal with which we deter our adversaries. some of them are very bad characters. now they are thinking one of our main pieces of military arsenal that is in dry dock, because the people on board are sick. we can't allow that message to get out. on the other hand, your heart bleeds for this captain because of the fact that he cared about the life and death of the people on board. >> harris: you know, just a couple of hours before the acting navy secretary modly made that decision and made a publicly known that he was going to boost crozier, we had him on "outnumbered overtime." what he said, david, is that it was put through the wrong channels. that others looking and might get information that they didn't -- i assume that meant enemies,

like what you were saying, would get information that might make us look not as ready or prepared. and he said it's his job to lead the navy in that sense and to make sure we are ready. but there was no way where it would not have gotten out about that ship in terms of what was going on, because as modly said to me, they had to remove 3,000 of them to put them in different places in guam. the news was going to break anyway. you know, dagen, we are learning -- one of our correspondence, jennifer griffin, just sent this out everybody -- according to a senior u.s. official, there were robust discussions about the desire and speed with which secretary modly moved to get rid of captain brett crozier. in fact, both dod and white house officials, according to the source and jennifer griffin, told the navy secretary he was going to own it if he decided to move forward. this possibly has another chapter coming. what do you think? >> dagen: it does. jennifer griffin, always

amazing. she goes on to report that according to senior u.s. officials familiar with the debate, that captain crozier did not include his immediate superior officer. strike group commander she was also told that captain crozier did not raise the concerns he wrote about passionately in his sunday letter during multiple video teleconference phone calls with his senior leaders in the pacific, including admiral aquilino, the head. so there are a lot more issues and layers to this story. >> harris: there is the other issue that former officials with different administration's have been bringing up, that there might be other places out there, other ships, other vehicles that we have military staff that would be possibly testing positive. some of those sailors, soldiers, marines, there is no way not to

know. this does have another chapter, i would think, just from what we are reading. the conversation that has to be had about keeping the military ready. all right, we'll scoot. much more coming up next hour, as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, will join me live with his take on the two ships, the mercy and the comfort, that are there to help. and captain crozier and all the latest. stay close.

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>> melissa: our thanks to david asman and the rest of the virtual couch. dr. nesheiwat, do you have a final thought for our audience on this friday? >> dr. nesheiwat: yes, melissa. we are a country that some places strength and resilience and unity. we can get through this. self isolate, hand hygiene, stay at home. >> melissa: thank you for tha that. we are back here on the virtual couch at noon eastern on monday,

but our coronavirus coverage continues now with harris faulkner. ♪ >> harris: this is "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." i'm harris faulkner. looking at the numbers now, refreshed this hour, the pandemic reaching a new level. the number of worldwide coronavirus cases now 1,056,777. wow. it took just more than four months for the cases to surpass 500,000, but seven days to add the next 500,000 cases. so, it has sped up. you talked about that acceleration, the doctors have, and i we are seeing that actually play out. here in the united states, more than a quarter million covid-19 cases, the death toll now is 6,586. fox news has learned