olutions. at 3m, we are solving problems that improve lives. howard: this is a fox news alert, i'm howard kurtz in washington. we're standing by for the daily news conference by new york governor andrew cuomo. meanwhile, president trump adopted a far more serious tone this week, saying a that each if everything goes right in the battle against the coronavirus, 100,000-240,000 americans could die, a marked contrast to what he was telling reporters a month ago when he said treat it like the flu. >> i want every american to be prepared for the hard days that lie ahead. we're going to go through a very tough two weeks. it's the not the flu. it's vicious. howard: joining us to analyze the coverage, gayle trotter,

host of right in d.c. kristin soltis anderson, washington examiner columnist and fox news contributor. and ray suarez, formerly of the pbs "newshour." and, gayle, many in the press are relieved that the president is now talking about the prospect of mass casualties and ordering of medical equipment, but "the washington post" says the president has sowed confusion and repeatedly sought to cast blame on others including the governors and has distorted the truth. is some of the criticism warranted? >> well, to this day, the establishment media has not admitted that they were wrong and the president was right when, remember, he banned travel from china. and the establishment media called him xenophobic and bigoted, and now we know he was right to do that, that that was a great step that he took. yet we're still not hearing from the establishment immediate that that they were -- media that they were wrong.

and we're continuing to see that in the press briefings going forward and these interactions between the white house press corps and president trump. there's no acknowledgment that -- howard: all right. well, on that point, i would be with you and on many other pointsening i think there's a consensus the president might have act more quickly. ray suarez, there seems to be a dividing line in the media between those who are welcoming this new tone by president trump and those who say, you know, he should have acted much more quickly. the president himself at the press conference yesterday accusing the media of spreading false rumors, creating fear and panic. what grow make of that? >> -- what do you make of that? >> well, at least the daylight in between the president and his own experts has flower rowed somewhat -- narrowed somewhat, which makes this a less challenging story to cover. it's a tough thing to be in the press room and know that the president is standing with experts who have given their own

forum to speak would say that what the president just said publicly was wrong. it's a challenge for a reporter, it's a challenge for society, and it hasn't been a great look for the president. howard: and, kristin soltis anderson, there's been a lot of media criticism about mixed messages coming out of the white house. classic example if, yesterday the president announcing the cdc guidance that americans should wear masks when they go out or go into i crowded places or grocery stores, and yet he said, well, it's voluntary, i'm not going to wear a mask. do you think the mixed message criticism valid, and do you think that's how it's b being perceived by the public? >> the president of the united states has an enormous amount of power both over how the federal government operates in a time of crisis, but as well as the power of the bully pulpit. it's very important for the president to have clear messages to the people because so much of what is needed to combat this particular crisis is for people to listen to leaders and take their advice, take it seriously and do what is asked of them.

so there is a risk if the messages are getting mixed, if the government is saying one thing on one hand and then the changing a week or two later. folks could begin to stop listening to out. that's why it's so important to get it right. on the other hand, if new data emerges that says, look, let's do something different, it's a shift as a result of actual new data that is changing the recommendation. that's one thing. if there are politics behind it, miscommunication, that's ooh a -- that's a big problem. howard: i continue to be amazed by those who say, liberal pundits, we shouldn't even carry the briefings. we carry cuomo and the president every day, here's what don lemon had to say, sound bite number one. >> i think we should run snippets. i think we should do it afterwards and get the pertinent points to the american people because he's never, ever going

to tell you the truth. those press briefings have become his new "apprentice," his new rallies. howard: gayle, it seems to just really aggravate some of these commentators that president trump has this major television forum in the midst of this major pandemic, this major national crisis. >> right. it's a planetary event, and it's yet another example where president trump, he disrupts the media narrative. so cnn, msnbc don't want to cover it live and straight and without their commentary. they want to provide to their audiences who don't want to watch president trump, they want to provide continued hostile questions and commentary to president trump. but the truth is president trump is winning at these briefings. he's able to take the gotcha questions from the media and give a forceful response, showing that they're having biased questions, they're pro-china questions, there are

questions that are misleading quoting president trump but selectively editing out things that he's said to give the wrong impression. howard: all right. >> and he doesn't take it. howard: ray, if the president at these daily briefings says things that are wrong or are exaggerated or too optimistic or at odds with his medical advisers, why can't the press just fact check the hell out of it afterwards rather than taking the position that the american people shouldn't even get to hear from him, we have to filter it through our brilliant lens? >> they do that. and for the whole next day after one of these briefings, if there's a tbaf in it, they report on it -- gaffe in out, they report on it. but in effect, you're chasing the president through the news cycle after he's already been on the air live saying that the northeast is going to go into quarantine? oh, that's right, it's not. we're going to try to open up the country by next sunday? oh, never mind, we're not. it's 15 people on its way down to 0, oh, well, it turns out

that's not the truth either. hydroxychloroquine is going to be one of the greatest game-changers in medical history when his own add advisers are saying so far all the evidence is anecdotal and and unproven, again -- howard: gotta jump out, ray. all right. we're going to go to new york governor andrew cuomo. >> -- increase, which is nothing new. it's happened every day since we've started this. been a long month. something a little bit different in the data today, we're not really 100% sure yet what the significance is as we're feeling our way through this. number of people tested, 18,000. positive cases are up 8,000, total of 122,000 cases. number of patients discharged, total discharged up, is 12,000.

1700 discharged in one day. number of deaths is up, that's the bad news. it's 4,159. and we pray for each and every one of them and their families, and that is up, and that is the worst news. but the number of deaths over the past few days has been drop ping for the first time. what is the significance of that? it's too early to tell. this is the impact by state. but as i said, the interesting blip maybe in the data or hopeful beginning of a shift in the data, in the number of cases. total number of new hospitalizations is 574 which

is, obviously, much lower than previous numbers. that's partially a function of more people being discharged. but you see icu admissions are also down, the daily intubations down slightly from where it was. again, you can't do this day-to-day, you have to look at three or four days to see a pattern. discharge rate is way up. finish and that's great news. and the statewide balance of cases has been relatively stable for the past few days. there is a shift to long island. upstate new york is basically flat. and as long island grows, the percentage of cases in new york city has reduced. this is for those people who

look at the data. there is a -- you have all these projection models, and what's infuriating to me is the models are so different that it's very hard to plan when these models shift all the time. but there's also a difference of opinion on what happens at the apex, right? everybody, all the models state you go up until you go down. thank you very much. then there's a difference of is the apex a point, or is the apex a plateau. in other words, do you go up, hit the high and then immediately drop, or do you go up and then there's a plateau where the number of cases stays high for a period of time and then drops. there's a difference of opinion. so you have to think of that when you think about what you're seeing in the numbers, because you could argue that you're seeing a slight plateauing in

the data which, obviously, would be good news because it means you plateau for a period of time, and then you start to come down. and we're all feeling our way through this, and we have the best minds in the country, literally on the globe advising us because new york is the first. i also think it'll be very helpful for the other states that follow. i was just talking to dr. zucker about codifying everything we're learning, because when the next states start to go through this, we hope that they can benefit from what we're going through. but we're looking at this seriously now because, by the data, we could be either very near the apex, or the apex could be a plateau, and we could be on that plateau right now9 we won't know until you see the next few days, does it go up, does it go down. but that's, that's what the statisticians will tell you

today. finish as we've said before, the coronavirus is truly vicious and effective at what the virus does. it's an effective killer. people who are very vulnerable must stay isolated and protected. i mean, that was the point from day one, that was the point with matilda's law, my mother. you have to isolate and protect those people. if a very vulnerable person gets infected with this virus, the probability of a, quote-unquote, cure is very low. and that's what this has really been about from day one. that small percentage of the population that's very vulnerable. major effort that has impacted everyone to save the lives of those people who are in the very vulnerable population. if you're not in a part of that vulnerable population, then you

will get sick. 20% require hospitalization. but the hospital system is very effective, and out makes a real difference -- it makes a real difference. and that's why the high number of people ever now are being discharged, right? so you're just seeing the evolution of this whole story. you're seeing the their tuf unfold, right? we're all watching a movie. we're waiting to see what the next scene is. and as the movie unfolds, you start to understand the story better and better. rush of infection rate, rush of people into the hospital system. hospital system capacity explodes, more people are in, but more people are coming out. 75% of those people who have now gone into the hospital system are coming out of the hospital system. it also helps with the capacity of the hospital system because, obviously, the more people who are coming out, it makes it

easier to handle the large influx that's coming in. having said all of that, the operational challenge for the health care system is impossible. because the system is over capacity all across the board. it's just over capacity. so what we're basically saying to assist them is you have to manage with the same resources that you have, same staff an overcapacity situation. and that is putting a tremendous amount of stress on the health care system. you're asking a system to do more than it has ever done before, more than it was designed to do with less. i understand that. and i get that. and day in and day out, the commissioner and everyone at this table deals with the health care system. i, i understand what they're dealing with. i understand they're being asked to do the impossible.

and they are being asked to do the impossible. but life is options, and we don't have any other options. so you get to a situation, and you do what you have to do in that situation. and that's where we are. the only operational plan that can work, right, because you know the system doesn't have the capacity, doesn't have the supplies, doesn't have the staff. so how do you handle this surge over capacity. we call it, we have to surge and flex which means you have to deal with, if you're an individual hospital or hospital network, yes, you're going to be over capacity. and the only way we can make this work is if we flex the system so that we take all hospitals, all hospital networks -- some hospitals are in networks -- and we work together as one system.

which has never been done, right? we have public hospitals, we have private hospitals, we have long island hospitals, we have new york city hospitals. in totality, it's the health care system. the state manages, regulates the health care system, but they're all individual hospitals. and/or individual networks. and they are i accustomed to just doing business and managing their own affairs. that doesn't work. we have to balance the patient load among all of these hospitals. so if one hospital starts to get high or has a projected high intake, we have to shift that patient load to other hospitals. that means some patients who show up at their neighborhood hospital may be asked can we transport you to another hospital which is not in your

neighborhood but actually has more capacity. so we have to adjust that patient load among all of the hospitals. which is a daily exercise, and it's very, very difficult. we're running short on supplies all across the board. some hospitals happen to have a greater supply of one thing or another. one hospital has a greater supply of masks, one hospital has a greater supply of gowns. and when we're talking about supply, hospitals are accustomedded to dealing with 60-day supply, 90-day supply. we're talking about 2 or 3 or 4 day-supply which makes the entire hospital system uncomfortable, which i also understand. because we're literally going day-to-day with our supplies, with our staff, etc. which is counterintuitive and counteroperational for the entire health care system. and i understand that also.

the big operational shift will be that javits coming online, if we get that up and running efficiently, that's 2500 beds for people who test positive with the covid virus. that is a major shift for the systems. and at a time e when we desperately need a relief valve for the system, the javits could do that. so we're working very hard to get that up and running. but that rolling deployment, that flexibility, there is no other way to do that, to do this on the state level. you know, can't. say to a hospital i will send you all the supplies you need, i will send you all the ventilators you need. we don't have them. we don't have them. it's not an exercise, it's not a drill. it's just a statement of reality. you're going to have to shift

and deploy resources to different locations based on the need of that location. i think that's going to be true for the country. the federal government, everyone says the federal stockpile, federal stockpile. there's not enough in the federal stockpile to take care of new york and illinois and texas and florida and california. it just, it's not an option. the only option i see is there's a national deployment -- like i said, this is wartime, it is a war, and the virus is the enemy -- where new york, help new york today. thank you, state of oregon. we're dealing with this curve today and this intensity, and then nationally we shift the resources to the next place that is most inpacted, right? just what we're doing in new york city, in new york state on a microcosm, we we shift

resources from the bronx to brooklyn, to queens, to nassau. shift national resources and state resources from new york to florida, to illinois, whatever is next on the curve. we are going to do that in any event. we get through this, people have been so beautiful to us, and it is the new york way. we're going to codify everything we've learned, and we get past this curve whatever part of the country goes next, we will be there with equipment, personnel and however we can help. federal government is also deploying approximately 1,000 personnel to new york, that's doctors, nurses, respiratory technicians. the immediate priority is to deploy those people to help the new york city public hospitals. the new york city pluck hospital system -- public hospital, hnh,

was a system that was under stress to begin with before any of this so, obviously, you administer -- you add more stress to institutions that were under stress, out only makes the situation more difficult. so we're going to deploy all the federal personnel who are coming in today, 325, to the new york city public hospital system. i talk to the hospital administrators on a daily basis. we get them on a conference call, and we do this shifting of supplies and balancing of patient load. i know that i'm asking them to do really difficult things. i get it. i don't enjoy being in this situation. i don't enjoy putting them in this position. i know their staff is all overburdenedded. but all i can say is thank you to the administration of this

health care system and, most importantly, thank you to the front-line workers. i mean, these people are true heroes in the true sense of the word, what they do day in and day out under difficult circumstances, and we thank them all. on a different, somewhat lighter note, there's an accompanying affliction to the coronavirus that we talked about early on. it is cabin fever. it is a real situation. not medically diagnosed. i asked dr. zucker, there's no medical definition for cabin fever, but i believe it exists. it's the feeling of isolation, it's often accompanied by radical mood swings, i sentiment of people -- resentment of people around you to varian trueing degrees for no reason whatsoever, just an upswelling of resentment especially people who are in apparent position of

authority in this situation, which i've noticed. irrational outbursts implemented anytime without any warning, just an irrational outburst, frustration, anger with no rational basis. cabin fever in many ways also threatens the essence of our constitution which is premised on people insuring domestic tranquility. and it can be disruptive to tranquility. i can ato that. it's -- attest e to that. it's a real thing. think about it. it's only been one month, but it's been a long month. positive interventions for cab bun fever -- cabin fever, i'm going to take up running again. i used to run back in normal days before this job. but i'm going to start running again. my daughter kara, we're going to run as a family. we're going to go out there. kara's got a head start.

she's out there doing 5 mules every day. -- 5 mules every day. she thinks she can beat me, but in a couple of weeks i'm going to be right there, right there. fast like lightning. we're going to make the dog come. the dog is also experiencing cabin fever. a little disrupted. the order of the pack has changed, different people, he doesn't know where he's been, he has anxiety. he's going to run. think of ways to deal with it. i don't have any great answer. but a little perspective on the whole situation is also important. challenged my daughters -- this is terrible, this is terrible, this is terrible. i've been saying it's terrible, it's been terrible to society, the economy, personally. but, you know, let's look back in history, right? generations have gone through terrible times. so my challenge to them is you find me a generation that has had a better overall situation

than where we are right now. go back, world war i, world war ii, vietnam, 1918 flu pandemic. you find me a generation that hasn't had a challenge to deal with. and we're going to have that discussion. and also keep in mind some perspective. this is going to be over. you see understory developing, you can start to see how the story ends, right? they will have a vaccine. will it be 12 months or 14 months or 18 months. there are a number of treatments that are being expedited and are being tested right now. dr. zucker in new york is working expeditiously and cooperatively with the fda to try all new different treatments, the antibody treatment we're working on, the hydroxychloroquine we're working

on aggressively. so we're trying all these new treatments. some of them show real promise, but you can see that -- where the story ends. i think, and this is opinion not fact, i think you see the return to normalcy when we have an approved, rapid testing program that can be brought to scale. we're now testing rapid testing programs. but when you get to the point where you can do rapid testing of scale and people can start to go back to work because they know they're negative, we continue to protect the vulnerable population which is where this was about, but we liberate -- as my daughters would say, they're seeking liberation -- we liberate people who can go back to work because we know that they're not in a vulnerable category and they're negative. and i think that is, it's under

development now, the rapid testing, and we're part of it. but that is going to be the answer, i believe. and we get through it because we are new york state tough. thank you. >> governor, in terms of the data that you're seeing, this 594 which is a slight dip from everybody, how many straight days would you say are sufficient you would need to see sort of similar numbers to say that we've hit the apex? >> just -- you guys think -- you have to talk with these statisticians. they will not give you a direct answer on anything. we don't know. when you start with the first two options, it's either straight up and straight down, right? or a total v. or maybe it's up with a plateau, and we're somewhere on the plateau. they don't know. howard: you've been listening to new york governor andrew cuomo at his daily briefing a. little

bit of good news, he said 75% of those going to the hospital who are not specially immune or eller hi are getting discharged. he also acknowledged the federal stockpile is not bug enough to equip all the states. he calls on the astronauts -- the states to share them amongst themselves. can we go back to the panel now? there we go. returning now to our coverage of president trump, i want to make the point that in the daily briefings by president trump, which we're also covering every day, he's gotten into dust-ups with reporters virtually every day. cbs' weijia jiang asked a question about jared kushner's language about the federal government's stockpile of ventilators. here's what the president said. >> yesterday jared kushner said the notion of the federal stockpile, it was supposed to be our stock fuel. >> it's such a basic, simple question, and you try and make it sound so bad, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> [inaudible]

howard: kristin soltis and or zonks a lot of vitriol about jared kushner being involved in this, on of course, the president's son-in-law. there's a headline, jared kushner will get us all killed. i thought it was completely and totally unfair. as a student of public opinion, do these daily jousts and sometimes attacks on journal u.s.es, are they helping president trump with anybody other than the base that he has that already despiewzs the media? >> well, two things we know from polls, one is up until this moment the president's job approval had been incredibly stable, and he's been fighting with reporters like this since the moment he decided he was running for president. he's been fighting with reporters like this his entire career. so in some sense, this is baked into how people think about president trump already: the second thing is when people are asked approve or disprove of how different agencies have handled this, the president does poll better than the media rut large.

where i think this is potentially problematic for the president is when you realize this moment so big that it could dislodge that previously stagnant public opinion. people came into this crew sis thinking that they knew how they felt about donald trump one way or the other. howard: right. >> but a moment that is this big and this impactful in people's lives could dislodge that. so he has an opportunity to present a different donald trump to the american people -- howard: all right. >> [inaudible] so far. howard: all right. gayle trotter, i want to play another sound bite from one of the press -- this is pbs asking about the president's involve evolved position on the availability of ventilators, and they really got into it. talk a look. >> why don't you act in a little more positive -- >> my question to you is -- >> -- get you, and that's why nobody trusts the media numb. look, let me tell you something, be nice -- >> mr. president, my question is -- >> don't be threatening, be nice. howard: now, she accurately

quoted what the president had said earlier about ventilators, so i thought her request was asked respectfully. what is threatening about a reporter even asking an aggressive question at a news conference? >> no, it was has full, and even the media article about it misrepresented what president trump said on the hannity show, was talking about a future prediction. he was saying he didn't think that they would need them. and the way that this reporter characterized the question with, she was saying that president trump was saying what the current need was. so it was a misrepresented statement of president trump. he was right to push back. and where is the spirit of 9/11 from these reporters? howard: all right. gotta jump in. ray suarez, your thoughts on the president using reporters as foils, perhaps. he also snapped at fox's john roberts for one question. >> look, he's been doing this since he balm president, so it's not really new. i think probably more people are

seeing it live since so many people are stuck in their houses and seeing the live briefing and excerpts from it more often. it's certainly to his advantage. some of the questions which are merely saying back to him what he said and asking him to clarify his remarks are probably not things he wants to talk about which is why so often he includes in his pushback be nice, the idea that it's threatening or gotcha. i don't know, the president has not always been precise, and when you're giving in this sort of atmosphere, giving briefing, it's better not to be speculative. and even if people would like a little optimism, be optimistic outside of these briefings where the transmission of information is sometimes paramount. >> but, ray, are you going to criticize -- howard: gotta go, gotta get, gotta -- sorry, i'm sorry to cut you off, but we've got to get to

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press could actually temper headlines, but i'm not sure the american people would buy it in the first place. we got the jobs number on friday, a loss of more than 700,000 jobs. and you don't have to be a business journalist or work for goldman sachs to extrapolate that that is probably not reflecting the actual number which will be worse. yes, it is bad news, but we've just got to deal in facts, howie, and i think that's the most important thing. the american people don't want to see gloss put all over this. howard: right. so with 10 million new jobless claims over the last go weeks, obviously, those are shocking numbers to, you're right, not just folks on wall street. the media seems to have shifted to could this go on and become almost like a depression, or how long could it last. and a lot of analysis but also a lot of speculation built into that. how to you see it, how are you handling it. >> well, we handle it by looking at what some of the economists out there are saying. and we all know economists

aren't exactly always correct. in fact, there's the joke that if you want an opinion from an economist, you'll get ten different opinions. we had goldman sachs coming out with what i thought was a shocking number, a 24% contraction in gdp if or growth here in the united states for this current quarter. bank of america, slightly less, a lot of about -- shrinking 12%. but bank of america used the terms collapse. gold match saks -- goldman sachs says we're in a recession. you do have to ask the question as this moves across the country, you just heard governor cuomo talking about how it's starting to move from new york city to long island, and i was quite encouraged by some of the things that the governor did just say. but as it moves, you've got to move the story along, and that's how you've got to cover it. we're just not in the business of putting different colored rainbows all over something. i say stick with the experts and really cover this fairly. because the administration, and i applaud them for this, has

been coming out every day and taking questions. not just making statements, but taking questions. howard: yeah. for a long time every day. >> yes, people don't like the president, but he's standing there. howard: yeah. a lot of people tonight like the media coverage -- don't like the media coverage. the president now saying certain media outlets should stop spreading false rumors and creating fear and panic. do you think that create sis goes too far? >> well, it's hard because i've been watching a whole bunch of networks especially this weekend and also last week. i saw some good work there on behalf of journalists. hook, our own tucker carlson on fox news had shone a very harsh light on 3m saying, wait a minute, are you selling to the highest budder outside this country, and that got action. rachel maddow has done a piece talking with the army corps of engineers, and even the president had retweeted that. but the big message was it's not

enough. howard: right. >> you know, the traditional role of the press is not to wave the american flag, it's to find out where there are weaknesses and fill them. look, i don't think it's smart -- howard: that's a fair point. >> -- you know, bodies going into refrigerated truck and not tell the american public, because we find out later -- howard: we gotta go. yeah. yeah, that is true, and it's also true that we're all in this together. liz claman of fox business network, thanks so much. up next, cnn's chris cuomo e is the latest high profile journalist to have the disease. more in a moment. remind me to call petsmart

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♪ ♪ howard: the coronavirus has struck the media world again with cnn host chris cuomo becoming the latest symbol of the disease. >> it was like somebody was beating me like a piñata, and i was shivering so much that i chipped my tooth. i was up all night. my dad was talking to me, i was seeing people from college, people i haven't seen in forever. it was freaky. howard: chris cuomo is, of course, the brother of new york's democratic governor who we just saw, and one of andrew cuomo's daily televised briefings, the anchor made an appearance for a session of inside jokes and mutual praise. >> the fever has affected your mental capacity.

>> yeah. being alone all the time. [laughter] >> for you to get up, do that show, share with people, that is a strength and a character strength that is really incredible. howard: joining us now from new york, kat timpf, national review writer and cohost of the greg gutfeld show. you know, i've known chris cuomo a long time, known andrew cuomo for decades, i covered their father mario when he was a governor and i wish chris a speedy recovery. has he become a kind of symbol of this coronavirus because he happens to be the brother of the governor whose state is at the epicenter of this crisis? >> yes, i think that that is a large part of it. another big part of it, of course, is that he is a public figure in his own right. he has his show, and he is doing his show with coronavirus from his basement. and it is something that people are interested in, because it's not even fair to just say it's the biggest news story.

it's the only news story, it's the only anything story. it's all anyone's ever thinking about it. the tuesday after he announced that he had tested positive for the coronavirus, his ratings were double what they were in average of march last year. so this is something that people want to hear about, they want to know what it's like firsthand, and the way that he's gotten personal about it, i think, is really resonating with people. howard: yeah. of course one of the reasons chris cuomo got the virus was because he was out seeing people, not just staying at home. you know, andrew cuomo's getting great press from the mainstream media for these daily briefings. he kind of chided his younger brother at one point for having their mother over because she was honely, stuck her apartment -- lonely, stuck in her apartment, former first lady of new york state. so it's become a very personal story for both brothers as well as for the governor dealing with the facts and the figures and the hospital supplies and all that. >> yeah. and i really liked watching them together. i thought it was -- i always

have the briefings on, and i was working on some other things, and i heard chris talk about the dream that he had that andrew came to him in some sort of ballerina outfit, and andrew sort of dead panned, well, thank you for sharing that with everyone. it's kind of nice to be able to laugh when everything is so sad. everything is so weird, it's so scary, there's so much uncertainty. and seeing the silliness provided a little relief from that even if it was really, really a small thing. howard: yeah, interesting point. you know, i don't have any great problem with chris on his show interviewing his brother, the governor. everybody knows what's going on. he's not going to get grilled. but it did surprise me the other day right after, i guess it was the day after we learned that cuomo had the virus -- chris cuomo, that is -- that he appeared remotely at the governor's daily televised official new york state briefing. let's take a look at that. >> with all of this adulation that you're getting for doing

your job, are you thinking about running for president? tell the audience. >> nope. no. >> no, you won't answer? >> no. i answered. the answer is no. >> you're not thinking about it? >> sometimes it's one word, i said no. no. >> yeah -- howard: did he cross a line for him to show up there with the cap of his cnn show? >> it's interesting, in 2013 chris himself said he wouldn't be interview toking his brother because, you know, they're brothers, and that's not really a journalistic thing that you are seek out. but these are different times. these are weird times. nothing normal applies anymore because nothing normal exists right now. and i get -- howard: right. >> -- the point of wearing the hat for his show on the press briefing. that might have been a little bit much, to wear his cnn hat. howard: all right. >> people liked it, i lighteninged watching it, and

i'm -- liked watching it, and i'm happy that they're doing it. howard: also cnn anchor brooke baldwin announcing she has the virus, so it's not just cuomo, it's not just journalists, of course. kat timpf, thanks very much, and we'll be right back. ♪

muck if♪ ♪ howard: what's it like for a journalist to struggle with the coronavirus, especially when it spreads to her family? joining us now from florida is cathy areu, she is, of course, an occasional guest on fox news and host of the liberal podcast -- you're now over. you've recovered from the virus, but obvious question, what was it like, what did you go through?

>> yes. oh, my gosh. so i get migraines, and i -- i was getting very, very weird headaches, and no one had mentioned that. they just mentioned three major symptoms. which i did not have. i didn't have a cough, i didn't have a mega-fever, and i didn't have breathing problems, and i do have asthma. so i contacted my neurologist, and i said i have migraines float around my head -- floating around my head, chills, a little bit of a fever s and he stuck me in isolation right away, 10-12 days. the next day was like food poisoning, everything went wrong. and then i had my vision, i lost vision, teary-eyed, pink eye, and my eye wouldn't stop tearing for days, and i just laid in bed for five days. five days of pure -- howard: let me just say as an astute journalist ic observer, it sounds pretty horrible. i hadn't even heard some of those symptoms. what happened with your daughters? >> yeah. well, that's the thing, the

doctor said people think it's, coronavirus is the same for everyone, he's calling it my corona. everyone's experiencing something differently. i didn't go through what chris cuomo's going through with the fever. my daughters busted into my room on self-isolation, i was on self-isolation, and they both picked up the virus. they had it for one day. one picked up a fever and a and fatigue, and the other one picked up fatigue and the fever. and, hey, they both had headaches. just one day. howard: terrible when the whole family has it. how did people treat you when they heard that you have the virus or that you had the virus, any difference there? >> yeah. there's a stigma. and i did contact -- i work for hhss and i contacted hhs because i said i feel almost like this is the aids pandemic when people just wanted to keep a distance because they think we're all contagious. but we're negative and supposedly immune.

so i'm trying to, trying to show that we do recover, we we do get backing to normal. some of us do. so, yeah, i don't want that stigma to happen, but hhs did say that might happen. with every pandemic, people are nervous to be around those that did test positive. but hopefully it won't be that way, hopefully we'll prove that we can get over this thing. howard: right. last question, you don't know how you got it, but do you think being in the state of florida which was very late to issue a stay-at-home order, governor ron desantis getting a lot of criticism for that, do you think that might have made it more likely that you would get this virus? >> yeah. he's been getting a lot of heat. and the beaches are just 30 minutes from where i was. and when i heard that spring break -- i couldn't open my eyes, so i was listening to podcasts about the virus, and i was listening there were spring weakers just half an -- breakers just half an hour from me having a blast and testing positive a week later, so, yes, miami

herald, orlando sentinel all the way up to tallahassee democrat are saying that the governor sent deadly mixed messages. the state is confused. every city has made its own laws. howard: all right. i'm glad, i'm glad you're not confused, connecticut think, i've got to -- kathy. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. howard: a little bit of political news. joe biden saying on abc that the democrats may have to go to a virtual convention. it's already been postponed from july to august. shows you how utterly transformed the campaign has been by the coronavirus. i also wanted to take a moment to thank all of the people who have taken risks for the rest of us, paramed you cans, the 20,000 health care professionals that have gone to new york from ore parts of the country to help out for the hospital there is and even the people at my local grocery store who are closing early and taking orders from elderly people who can't get to the store and delivering them. those are the real heroes in this. this is the best of america. we appreciate you watching.

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♪ arthel: and we begin with a fox news alert on the grim new warnings about the coronavirussing pandemic in the u.s. with the white house task force making it clear the worst is yet to come. hello, everyone, and welcome to "america's news headquarters," i'm arthel neville. eric: hello, arthel. welcome, i'm eric shawn here in new york. governors are calling on president trump to enact a full nationalization mobilization effort, citing a lack of ventilators and other equipment in various areas. so far 312,000 of our fellow americans have been infected by the coronavirus leading at this moment to more than 8,500 deaths. this morning on "fox news