jonathan morris a moment ago about pope francis. yesterday i wrote it down, he was talking about directing the young people. he said, "don't be afraid to serve god and others. those are the real heroes." he pointed to the first responders as you just did. that's awesome. >> sandra: it was a remarkable message. great to be here with you, ed. see you tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, we are awaiting remarks from new york governor andrew cuomo, as the empire state sees its first daily drop in coronavirus deaths. and as the battle against covid-19 appears to be reaching a critical stage. white house officials saying some of the hardest hit cities, including new york, detroit, and new orleans, could see infections peak in the coming days. right now there are nearly 338,000 coronavirus cases in the united states, with at least 9600 deaths. at the president and the

white house worn the week ahead could be devastating. >> this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most americans' lives, quite frankly. this is going to be our pearl harbor moment, our 9/11 moment. >> i would not say we have it under control. that would be a false statement. we are struggling to get it under control, and that the issue that's at hand right now. >> this will be probably the toughest week, between this begin next week. there will be a lot of deaths, unfortunately. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy is back with us. welcome, my friend. emily compagno is joining us, as well. and dr. marty makary, physician and professor at johns hopkins university and a fox news contributor. and he is "outnumbered." dr. makary, where do you think we are in this? do you see any glimmers of hope?

>> dr. makary: i do, but i would caution against people over interpreting one number looking better over the course of one or two days. we saw this in italy when we got excited that their numbers had gone down from, say, 500 to 430. it turns out the numbers are best looked at as a three-day moving average. i wouldn't over interpret things. i think sheltering is working. i think we are not seeing the massive spike that was possible. but i would just brace for the next two weeks to be a rough period. not just the next week. kennedy, your thoughts? >> kennedy: i'm very grateful that the spike dr. makary is referring to has not happened. but i agree, we shouldn't be falsely confident, and you have to find the joy in the little things of being quarantined has shown us. we have to follow all of this

information. he's absolutely right, you can't just extract one number and take that as a sign that everything is fine. or another number, and use that as a hysterical point to fear that you will be stuck inside forever. we will come through this at some point, and a little bit of good news is going way. but we should still snuggle up as though there is a storm upon us. >> melissa: yeah. emily, it's going to be increasingly difficult, i think, as time goes on. as different parts of this nation are in different parts of this crisis. for some states, it hasn't really hit them very hard yet. places like new york, maybe we've seen an apex and we are getting close to it, or whatever the numbers will show us. but that doesn't mean that it's not going to get worse in other parts of the country as we recover. what are your thoughts? v5 exactly. for example, washington, d.c., predicts its peak will come in june or july. so that's why i think for all of us sheltering in place at home it's important to do this sort

of as a marathon, not a sprint. while we see certain hot joan'sn major cities experience potentially the apex or the ramp up to the apex right now, there are other cities that are frankly months behind. it's a board for all of us, i think. as kennedy said, to snuggle up and stay at home. but to really appreciate the fact that this will resolve itself in the next week or two. contrary to many of our new cycles or national conversations, that last sometimes two or three days, this is really a months-long process. the best thing we can do for all of us is stay home in the interim while, obviously, ramping up support for the medical communities and the different surging cities. >> melissa: harris, i would ask for your thoughts. also, i may be the only one, i'm not hearing dr. makary. sorry to air our business here. go ahead, your thoughts on this, and maybe you have a question for him. >> harris: actually, i just have a question for him. i want to take the conversation a little forward as we await the governor of new york to join us.

i wonder if he will even touch on this. so, part of going forward with an apex, as i understand it, dr. makary, is not just about the number of cases and the number of deaths that break our hearts every day, but also the number of recoveries. and that is particularly interesting to me today from what i'm reading, that there is this push now of blood drives to try and find plasma donors, if you will, so we can look at their blood as a possible answer for treating and supportive care for some of the people who are really suffering the most among us with covid-19. what is your thoughts on the survivors of this and how they play a role? >> dr. makary: you know, harris, survivors of any infectious diseases have long been an important piece of cracking the code on how to get beyond an infection. we saw it with hiv, loosing it with other infections.

99% of people recover from covid-19 infections. that means there's going to be a lot of discharges, a lot of recoveries. and those people have antibodies. those antibodies are already being extracted at hospitals like my own and other places. so, not just can those antibodies be used, but they can be duplicated in a laboratory to try and come up with a good therapeutic. >> melissa: i can hear you now, thank goodness. if i could follow on that, one of the other stats i've been hearing is that our venture leader uses down now, as well. here in new york, at least. we seen a slight dip in that. does that say to you that maybe people are catching the symptoms earlier and maybe taking better care of themselves so they don't get to that point? how would you explain that? and then kennedy, feel free to go ahead next. the six i think it shows that sheltering in place is working. i am personally not interpreting the slight decrease as a

decrease. i'm interpreting it as a nonspike. so i'm not finding any comfort in one or two days of numbers, because the doctors on the ground are telling me they are incredibly busy. there was a piece in "the washington post" just recently showing that many hospitals are not recording everything. it's not that they are malicious, it's that they are busy. if somebody dies from covid-19 and you've got another patient short of breath, you go and take care of them. reporting to the public health department is not a super high priority when you've got a battlefield. >> melissa: i'm sorry to interrupt, but we are going to take you now to newark governor cuomo right now with his daily briefing on the statef affairs here in new york. let's listen. >> 4,758, which is up from 159, but which is effectively flat for two days. while none of this is good news, the flattening, possible

flattening, of the curve is better than the increases that we have seen. new york is still far and away the most impacted state. new jersey is having real difficulty, and in speaking with governor murphy from new jersey, anything we can do together, we will. michigan, also. california has leveled off, and louisiana is having a difficult time. so they are in our thoughts and prayers. total number of hospitalizations are down. the icu admissions are down, and the daily into patients are down. those are all good signs. again, it would suggest a possible flattening of the curve. the number of discharges is down, but that reflects the overall reduction in the numbe

numbers. the big question we are looking at now is, what is the curve? we've been talking about cases increasing, increasing, increasing, until they don't. when they stop increasing, then what happens? and the projection models have a number of alternatives. some suggest, basically, the curve goes up and then drops precipitously. some suggest there is a slight pause at the top. some suggest there is a longer pause at the top, which is effectively a plateau effect. or, again, the street up and straight down precipitous drop, which is the peak effect. no one can tell you which will occur. they say any one of the three options. you study other countries, you've had a combination of the above. we are studying it, as we have

viewed the projection models from day one to determine what we do. how do we set policy and program by following the data? the doctor has been working on the numbers, working with the statisticians and the projection models and helping us incorporate that into an operational model. jim, if you want to just take a moment and speak about the projection models here, please? >> great. thank you, governor. as the governor said, we've been looking at projection models from the beginning to determine the size and scope and severity, and the governor has mentioned this over his briefings. we've been working with many organizations and using their data, like imperial college institute for health, cornell, mckinsey, and others. some of the initial projections that we first saw at the beginning of this was at least

100 come up to 110,000 beds for covid patients alone. and the peak would come at the end of april. those were some of the earliest modeling from many organizations, that it would be at the end of april, around 110,000 beds just for covid patients. there are other models, too, that we were tracking. one being lower at about 55,000 covid beds. again, peaking at the end of april. we follow, now that we have a pretty robust data set to go by for the next several weeks, the bottom line, the purple line, is sort of where we are tracking today. which suggests it's a little lower. the question was, what could you do to lower those initial projections, from 110,000 and from 55,000? a lot of the activity was we saw what the statisticians and the folks looking at these types of

models said it was going. what activities and actions could you take to aggressively lower that overall number? the answer really was, and with the governor has been doing, aggressively enforce and enact social distancing to lower the overall number. this number and the current data suggest that is exactly what's happening. it is not settled yet because we are going day by day, and the numbers the governor says has changed a lot. over time, based on one numbers come in. this could suggest that we are, indeed, potentially at the apex were beginning to be at the apex at this moment, like the governr said. there's been a range of models, seven days, 14 days, 21 days, 30 days. it looks like we are toward the earlier side of that time frame based on the current projections and modeling we've been looking at. >> thank you, jim.

you also see on the slide where we are now, right? it can still go any way. we could still see an increase. so, it is hopeful but it's also inconclusive. it still depends on what we do. these models all have a coefficient of what we do and how successful we are at social distancing, et cetera. from our decision-making point of view, it doesn't really matter if we have hit the plateau or not. because you have to do the same thing. if we are plateauing, we are plateauing at a very leveled. there is tremendous stress on the health care system. to say to this health care system, which is that maximum capacity today, this is a hospital system where we have our foot to the floor and the

engine is that redline, and you can't go any faster. and, by the way, you can't stay at red line for any period of time, because the system will blow. and that's where we are. we are at red line. people can't work any harder. the staff can't work any harder. staying at this level is problematic. and, if we are plateauing, it's because social distancing is working. so, we have to make sure social distancing actually continues. on relieving the pressure on the hospital system, which is unsustainable at this rate, we are continuing what we call our surgeon flex program. where we get all the hospitals on the line on a daily basis. they are all doing inventories, they are all doing data sheets, they are all on the telephone, and we are shifting among the

hospitals ventilators, ppe equipment, who has gowns, who has masks, and that happens on a daily basis. that adjustment. also, truly pressure in the hospital system, the javits coming online is a very big deal. that is the relief valve for the entire downstate system. the 1100 military personnel started to come in, 300 were sent to new york city public hospitals to help the new york city public hospital system, the h and h system, which has been under stress. the rest will be going to javits to make that run to full capacity. that transition is happening n now. that is a covid center now. it started as noncovid, it's not a covid center. the majority of the military personnel will be coming in tomorrow and the next day, but that javits center is going to be a major relief valve.

second, the united states navy ship comfort. the original plan was that it would come in for noncovid people. the original plan was it would also be a relief valve on the hospitals. not for covid people, that it would take all the noncovid patients, if you will, from the hospital system. that was the plan. as it turned out, there's not a lot of noncovid people in the hospital system, which is a separate story. happens to be a good news story. a byproduct of shutting everything down is you have fewer car accidents, the crime rate is way down, fewer trauma cases. so there is not a large noncovid population in the hospitals. i'm going to call the president this after to shift the comfort from noncovid to covid. then we would have javits and

the ship, comfort, as a relief valve. that's 2500 beds and 1,000 beds. that's 3500 beds which could serve as a relief valve for the whole downstate hospital system. that is the only way we sustain this level of intensity in the hospital system. i understand what the original plan was with the comfort, but i understand that there is no preordained strategy. you have to feel it out day today, and adjust with the facts. we don't need the comfort for noncovid cases, we need it for covid. if we had those two facilities as a relief valve, that would make a significant difference. bringing on line 3500 beds, it's no small task. north well health is going to

help us manage those. but they are going to be staffed by military personnel. only the military could bring in that many people that quickly, with that logistical operation. i want to thank dod very much for their cooperation, because, god bless the u.s. military, we are fully aware of what they do to defend this nation. but this is a different application that we don't see every day, and they are doing an extraordinary job. i will call the president. he has been helpful to new york in the past, and he has moved very quickly in the past. i'm going to ask him if he can make this adjustment for us, because it would be truly beneficial. we will feel much better knowing that we can sustain this pace, if we can start to off-load patients to these two facilities. in any event, we still have to

extend, because if that curve is turning, it's turning because the rate of infection is going down. one of the reasons the rate of infection is going down is because social distancing is working. we have to continue the social distancing. schools and nonessential businesses will stay closed until april 29th. i know that's a negative for many, many reasons. i know what it does to the economy. as i said from day one, i'm not going to choose between public health and economic activity. in either event, public health still demands that we stay on pause with businesses closed and schools closed. whether we've hit the apex, or whether we haven't at the apex, you'd have to do the same thing.

there's also a real danger in getting overconfident too quickly. this is an enemy we have underestimated from day one, and we have paid the price duly the numbers may be turning. yay, it's over. no, it's not. other places have made that mistake. hong kong has made the mistake, south korea has made that mistake. we are not going to make that mistake. the weather is turning, people have been locked up, we've been talking about cabin fever. now it's a nice day, i'm going to go out and take a walk. now is not the time to do that. frankly, there has been a lax-ness on social distancing, especially over this past weekend, that is just wholly unacceptable.

look, people are dying. people in the health care system are exposing themselves every day to tremendous risk, walking into those emergency rooms. and then they have to go home to their family and wonder if they caught the virus, and they're bringing it it home to their family. if i can't convince you to show discipline for yourself, then show discipline for other people. if you get infected, you infect someone else, you go to an emergency room, you put a burden on all sorts of other people you don't know and who, frankly, you don't have the right to burden with your irresponsibility. and people, especially in new york city, the level of activity is up. partially the weather, a nice

day, i understand. people have been locked up for a long time. but now is not the time to be lax. it is a mistake. we all have a responsibility. we all have a role in this. we've said that from day one. we have to respect the rule that we play, because the rule that we play is a societal obligation. that's how i see it. i want local governments to enforce the social distancing rules. the local governments are charged with enforcement. i want them to enforce them, and i want to be, frankly, more aggressive on the enforcement, because all the anecdotal evidence is people are violating it at a higher rate than before. so, we're going to increase the potential maximum fine from $500

to $1,000. it's not really about the fine. nobody wants the money. we want the compliance. we are serious. again, if it's not about your life, you don't have the right to to risk someone else's life. and you don't have the right, frankly, to take a health care staff and people who are literally putting their lives on the line and be a cavalier or reckless with them. you just don't have the right. we want to thank all the people who are getting us through this every day under very tough circumstances, and we see the illness rate among these essential workers, and we know the sacrifice they are making, and we should respect it. it's that simple. you have the first responders who are out there, police officers, the transit workers who have to drive a bus and the train every day, the health care

workers who are just doing extraordinary work. so, let's respect them, and let's help them. we are also going to set up a fund run by the department of health to assist the health care workers with expenses, costs, child care, et cetera. i want to thank blackstone for making the first contribution to that found dominic fund of $10 million to assist the first responders. i hope other individuals and corporations follow their lead. we are also very aware of the mental health aspect of this situation, and the stress and the isolation that this has caused. people are trying in their own way to grapple with what this means, and what is the impact. how do you rationalize this situation? and the mental health aspect of it is very real. headspace is going to partner

with new york, they are unhappy. they will have content and a free membership for new york. so we thin thank them. we have an emotional support outline. we have thousands of mental health professionals who have signed up to volunteer mental health services. so we want people to make sure they know about that, and it's available. i talk about perspective a lot. maybe frankly, because partially i'm speaking to myself. i had a good conversation with my daughters last night, cara and michaela, who are often wiser than i am and wiser than their years. it is very hard to see the number of deaths we are having. it's frightening, it's disturbing, that amount of loss. i'm the governor of new york, i see my job as preventing that

kind of disturbance and negativity and loss for the people of the state. perspective. you know, we like to think we can control everything. we can't. we like to think that we can fix everything and fix all the problems for people. we can't. the undeniable truth here is that this virus is a deadly enemy, and we will lose, and we are losing, people who are vulnerable to the virus. that can't be controlled. that can't be fixed. why? that's mother nature. that's a question that god can only answer. but control what you can come and do what you can. the challenge is to make sure that we don't lose anyone who

could have been saved if our health care system was operating fully. don't lose anyone who you could save. that is a legitimate, ambitious goal of government, and that we have done so far. that we have done so far. have we saved everyone? know. but have we lost anyone because we didn't have a bed or we didn't have a ventilator, or we didn't have health care staff? no. the people we lost are the people we couldn't save. not for lack of trying, and not for lack of doing everything that we could do as a society. not only has a government and as a health care system. so, to the extent we can find peace in that, it helps me. and we are still new york tough,

and new york tough means tough, but tough in a new york sense also means compassionate. it means we are unified. it means we are loving. because if you really tough, the really tough guys, they are tough enough to show love. and because we are smart. that's how we're going to get through this. questions? >> reporter: the drug trial of hydroxychloroquine and clerking going >> we have allowed usage of the hydroxychloroquine with the azithromycin packs and hospitals at their discretion. the federal government is going to increase the supplied to new york pharmacies. we had a 14-day limit on how much you could buy, because so many people were trying to buy

it. if the federal government increases the supply to new york, which they say they're going to do, we could lift the 14-day limit. there are a lot of people who are relying on this, who were relying on it. peoples lupus, et cetera the tests in the hospital, they are too short a period of time to get a scientific report. you know, hospital administrators, doctors, want to give -- have a significant data set before they give a formal opinion. anecdotally, you'll get suggestions that it has been effective, but we don't have any official data yet from a hospital or a "study." which will take weeks if not months before you get an official study. is that a fair statement?

>> not conclusive, it sounds like. >> on which? >> on that type of treatment in hospitals. >> yes, there's been anecdotal evidence that it is promising. that's why we're going ahead. doctors have to prescribe it. there are some people who have pre-existing conditions where it doesn't work, or they take a medication that is not consistent with this treatment. but anecdotally it's been positive. we'll have a full test once they have a large enough sample and data set. anecdotally, it's been positive. if we get any additional supply, which the government says they are going to send, i mentioned it to the president when i called him this afternoon with the comfort. if they increase the supply, we can lift 14-day. >> reporter: [inaudible]

>> i have heard nothing about that. i've heard a lot of wild rumors, but i have not heard anything about the city burying people in parks. no. >> reporter: [inaudible] >> i didn't know there was an issue. i haven't heard there was an issue. has anybody heard that there was an issue? to the city raise an issue? i talked to new york city yesterday. i have not heard that this is an issue. >> reporter: [inaudible] to date, how many ventilators have come from the stockpile to the city, and have they asked for any more? >> they have not asked for any that they have not gotten. we are releasing 802.

the city is basically responsible for the 11 public hospitals. there are 11 health and hospital corporations. 11 health and hospitals in that system. i spoke to the head of the system last night. i'm going to speak to -- he's going to be on a phone call at 1:00. dr. mitch katz. he had all the equipment he needed, and i'm going to speak to him again at 1:00. so, if they need anything, we'll get it to them. >> reporter: [inaudible] >> 802 for the downstate area. now, any hospital will say to you, "i am running low on everything." because they are low on everything. when we do these daily surgeon flex discussions, there is no

margin for error, because we don't have any margin for error. we just don't have the supplies. the whole system is overcapacity. so, everybody is low on everything. they had a wish list, everybody would want a stockpile and a reserve in their own hospital. i get that. we don't have that luxury. i'm taking ventilators from one hospital on a daily basis, bringing them to another, shifting them back and forth so every hospital can get through this period. that's why i say it's o unsustainable for us. we doing that with ppe equipment, ventilators, patients. if we can systematically get patients out of the hospital system and into javits and the comfort, you can relieve pressure on the whole system. but this system is running at redline, has been for days.

this is the most intense management function that we have ever undertaken. in this situation, it's not what they want to, it's what they need. everybody would want -- "i want to have 100 ventilators on reserve." i know. it's what you need. that, we are doing on a day-to-day basis. but everyone has what they need. there is no one who has said, "i am out of ventilators and i have a critical need," who hasn't gotten them. >> reporter: you are calling for increases in crackdowns on social distancing, but we are getting reports of funerals and weddings in orthodox jewish communities in rockland county and in brooklyn still being attended by hundreds of people. >> then they should enforce the rule, jesse. i don't care if you are orthodox

jewish, catholic, christian, muslim, i don't care what. it's not about religious observation. the state police will enforce it, also. let a local government -- it's the job of local government to enforce. i am doubling the fine. that's my way of saying, "this is serious. this is serious. what right do you have to act irresponsibly in a way that can get you sick or someone else sick and then i have to send an ambulance to pick you up and bring you to an emergency room that's already overburdened, that doesn't have staff, doesn't have supplies, doesn't have ventilators? because you were reckless and irresponsible? you don't have that right." i have to talk to these health care workers all day long. i talked to transit workers, i talked to first responders, who, truthfully, nobody wants to put

themselves in these situations. and i don't blame them. they are doing it out of passion and commitment and public service. none of us has the right to be reckless in our own behavior, which compounds the problem we are dealing with. now is not the time -- >> harris: the governor is talking there. >> melissa: schooling new yorkers on so many have been out in the past week or so, or past couple days, over the weekend. also saying, in part, that he's going to ask the president later today to see if that ship, the comfort, can be shifted over to handle covid-19 patients. i want to ask dr. makary, who is with us, as well, what do you think about that idea? there has been a lot of debate about it. he was saying we don't have a lot of other patients that need care here in new york, because at home. you don't see the different things that would be treated. i know that in the past there's

been a reluctance to transfer that shipped over, in part because it would be so hard to control the virus on board and to disinfect it afterwards. what are your thoughts on that? >> dr. makary: if they are sick people and there is a matter of life and death, we've got to do everything and let them get on the comfort. but i don't like the idea. the comfort is a cargo ship that was retrofitted to be a compassionate mercy ship. primarily, it does its work overseas. i don't love the idea. it is tight quarters. remember, the comfort has 11 operating rooms. most small community hospitals have about 20. so the capacity is not even that great, and i do worry about the tight spaces. >> melissa: yap. harris? >> harris: you know, i spoke with the joint chiefs of staff chairman on friday, and this was a big issue.

because they had only treated 40 patients between the two ships, the comfort and the mercy. the mercy obviously on california. the number of cases that are coming to the hospital first are likely covid-19, just statistically speaking. we heard the governor of new york say it again today. so they did change the policy, the red tape, if you will, of having to go to the hospital and then get released and sent to a ship. the chairman said that. but the part they were working on is to make these vessels noncoronavirus/coronavirus-type treatment for patients. that would be, as dr. makary has said, a different type of challenge and configuration. the chairman said to me, absolutely, they can get it done. general milley said they can get it done. they are still in talks with the pentagon over the weekend about whether they could do this. governor cuomo has now said he's going to call the president directly, particularly about the comfort that is in new york harbor. but also -- and i don't know if you guys caught it, he spent a lot of time talking about that treatment drug.

dr. makary, talk to me about the antimalarials that are being used and how effective they are. >> dr. makary: i think it's interesting. i think it's fascinating that the mechanism of action makes sense. they would be a benefit. i don't think the most promising medications are the ones we've heard about in the media. i think there's a whole bunch of other ones out there, and i think they are going through this long, tedious fda process, which is a peacetime protocol to approve beds. we are at a time of war. where we doing these trials where one person gets a small dose, then three people get a small dose? each interval has weeks of separation, so it takes two months just to the basic safety feasibility studies when we know most proteins are safe. 99.9% of vaccines are safe. the flu shot every year is safe. >> melissa: al all right, nine states remain holdouts amid calls for a nationwide

stay-at-home order to help fight the pandemic. whether such a move is necessary as we continue battling the virus. >> is important to us dominic understand that most people across the country doing the right thing. over 90% of the country is staying at home. (music)

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if you can. we want you to do it for 30 days. even in those nine states, give us what you can so we can get this to start to come down on the other side. >> harris: dr. makary, the social distancing, we keep hearing it. it is working. we hear it from doctors like yourself, we hear it from state and federal officials. dr. fauci is one of them, talking about it. we learned over the weekend in video from the u.s. surgeon general how to make our own cloth masks, in case you are in a crowd where you can't really socially distance. should states, by and large, across the country, succumbed to a national order? >> dr. makary: harris, san francisco had eight deaths on friday. that's eight. why is that? they had a very early shelter in place and good social distancing education. i think a lot of us have been wondering, what's worse? a busy public transit system like new york city, or an area that is very late to shelter? the numbers out of louisiana are

very telling. they are significant. they are telling us now that there are 39 deaths per hundred thousand people in louisiana, compared to 19 in new york. that's double. louisiana has doubled the death rate, and that is because they did not do the sheltering until late. i think we are learning a lot. i'm worrying about cities like atlanta that went into sheltering just five days ago. it may be that late sheltering is one of the most ominous signs of the peak having a bad impact. >> harris: what is interesting, you point to atlanta. emily, that's in the state of georgia where the beaches now are going to reopen, and there are some mayors -- at least one in particular -- that is not very happy about that. they want to stay shut down so they don't have to expose their workers, so on and so forth. somebody's got to be at the beach if you're going to be up in the beaches, i imagine. what are your thoughts on the areas pushing back with some of their leadership?

>> i think that illustrates three tensions. one is the fact that state and local governments want to have control over the public health and their economies. interesting about the state of georgia, it's actually in the minority. because more often the situation we are seeing is a pushback, that the federal government being more restrictive rather than a local and state government being more restrictive. at that state level. so, i think, that being said, the exception is in a global pandemic the public health is not localized. it's not isolated. so it's not a matter of if the question, it's a matter of when. that goes to the press earlier when he said "you don't have the right to risk someone else's life." the second point of tension that illustrates, there is physical death and economic death we are also seeing. the third tension is the timeline. again, carrying on our conversation from earlier. we have some major cities like

new york potentially experiencing the apex now. washington, d.c., predicted in june or july. at certain levels were certain areas of the country, they are managing their own levels. it also goes to see that eventually they will see a surge. it's a matter of time. >> harris: everybody sit tight. we are coming right back. it is code blue at american hospitals, as a new federal report is detailing how they are struggling to keep up with the surge and coronavirus patients and the toll is taking our front line health care by storm. s havo 50-year lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $2000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered. call newday now.

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♪ >> melissa: a new hhs inspector general report finding 3 out of 4 u.s. hospitals are now treating patients with confirmed or suspected cases of covid-19. it also finds hospitals are facing severe shortages of testing supplies and personal protective equipment while struggling to maintain adequate staffing levels. one new york city hospital administrator saying health care workers feel like they are at war right now. they are seeing people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, dying. it takes a large emotional toll.

doctor, i would ask you about that. and also balance that, this need for supplies, against the idea that there are a lot of people out there who would like to get tested in order to be able to donate plasma, potentially, and help in this fight. how do you balance all of those needs? >> dr. makary: well, that is something that, right now, we have not had good preplanning for. i think we will soon learn how we can invite people who have been exposed or test positive to contribute and maybe give their plasma. many blood banks will already do that for now, even though the allocation is yet to be determined. see you can go to your local blood bank and call the red cross. i was a little entertained and yet impressed by governor cuomo saying in his new york accent, with that new york street talk, "you don't have a right to hurt somebody else." specifically health care workers. i think we are getting hammered right now. my friends, colleagues, friends

from school, my current colleagues, my friends around the country, things are ugly in the emergency rooms and i see you play or less. even though things are very calm outside and on the streets. >> melissa: yes. when you say that you don't have a right to hurt other people, you mean by risking yourself, going outside we not supposed to? what are some of the things we are doing that you are admonishing? >> dr. makary: some people are saying, "i haven't heard of friends dying or getting hospitalized, it's a nice day outside, i'm just going to live my life. i'm going to not do social distancing. i'm going to meet some folks, i will go attend a gathering with more than ten people." those are the behaviors where, yes, there might be a low risk to somebody young and healthy, but we don't want to have to send an ambulance if things get bad. we don't want to have to use ppe on somebody who could have avoided that infection. >> melissa: emily, it's so interesting, because that the idea of the boundary of freedom in this country.

do what you want until you start hurting someone else. then it becomes something for everyone to have a word about. what are your thoughts? >> emily: exactly. which goes into our conversation earlier, that it's a marathon and not a sprint. governor cuomo said they are seeing in higher numbers now people violating the social distance rules they've set in place. so that's why they are upping the fine. he said "we don't want the money, we want compliance." that's when he tight end, "you don't have the right to risk others' lives." also the 3 out of 4 hospitals treating covid-19 patients, this is what we were preparing for. flattening the curve meant you wouldn't overwhelm the medical system, not that they wouldn't see patients. morale, as he pointed out, his use issue. people on ventilators and others are entering and being added in. it's taking things into account for the long haul >> melissa: thank you. more "outnumbered" at this moment. we'll be right back. i'm susan and i'm 52

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>> melissa: thank you to dr. marty makary and everyone on our virtual couch. we will be back here tomorrow at noon eastern. everyone out there, stay safe, stay separate. our coverage continues now with harris faulkner. ♪ >> harris: this is "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." i'm harris faulkner. covid-19 cases worldwide have neared 1.3 million now, and that is an addition of more than a quarter of a million just over the weekend, with more than 70,000 deaths globally, as well. here in the united states, nearly 339,000 confirmed cases as the death toll is nearing 10,000. that's in america. cases in the u.s. increased by more than 92,000 just since friday, compared with