monday, april 6, 2020. as always, the story goes on. be well, everybody. stay safe and we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00 eastern time. stick around, a few seconds away, tucker carlson coming up. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." hope you had the best we can possible under these trying circumstances. authorities are saying this might be the toughest week yet in the progression of this pandemic, certainly with the death rate but fortunately in both europe and in new york city, the epicenter of the outbreak here, there are no reasons to be optimistic and for those, we go to trace gallagher. >> when an epidemiologist talks about flattening the curve, they don't look as much a total numbers and instead they look at the daily increase in total cases.

on march 20th, italy was seeing the 15% daily increase in cases over the last three days, it is down to 3.4%. on march 25th, spain's increase was 20% a day. now is just over 4%. both countries clearly are bending the curve. the united states is now seeing its daily increase drop as well, below 10% now. and on that note, new york, the hardest hit state in the country is getting some good news. here's the governor. >> total number of hospitalizations are down, the icu admissions are down and the daily intimations are down, those are all good signs. and again would suggest a possible flattening of the curve. >> important to note that california's numbers have also been flat for several days. of the state is now even lending out ventilators. on the flip side, michigan and louisiana still seeing their numbers rise but so far, the

models predicting devastating numbers of cases and deaths appear to have overestimated. >> tucker: think you so much for that. so the prime minister of great britain boris johnson has had the coronavirus for several days now but tonight, he is critically ill and has been moved to intensive care. benjamin hall has more on that story. >> good evening. this happened incredibly quickly. into a precautionary test in the next in the icu and now some of them will be saying that boris johnson is fighting for his life and that this is an extremely serious condition. just as seriously, he has had to deputize his role as prime minister, that means that boris johnson as prime minister in name only and they were so many important decisions to be taking right now just as the u.k. is reaching the peak of its coronavirus crisis. we heard from president trump who spoke about boris johnson than the last hour or so. >> i also want to send best wishes to a very good friend of

mine and a friend to our nation, prime minister boris johnson. we are very saddened to hear that he was taken into intensive care this afternoon. >> boris johnson first tested positive ten days ago and was admitted to the hospital yesterday. colleagues of his including the health secretary bouncing back, he's been unable to shake the high temperature and fever that comes with coronavirus. he's been in isolation for ten days, 55, he has no underlying health conditions but it does serve as a reminder that this virus can hit anyone. suddenly the government trying to push out the message that they are calm, it is business as usual but it doesn't feel like this in the country has taken quite a hit. dr.? >> tucker: remarkable. benjamin hall for us, thank you so much.

this can happen to him, a lot of us should be worried and we are worried, worried enough to endure things that just a month ago would seem preposterous. last week, leader of the world health organization announced that in response to the spread of this virus, authorities may have to enter people's homes and remove family members presumably by force. >> in most parts of the world, most of the transition it's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household that family level. in some sense, transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units. now, we need to go and look at families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner. >> just so you know, we are coming to your house, seizing your children, and "isolating

them in a safe and dignified manner," whatever that means. that's not something under normal circumstances officials casually dropped during briefings. it's the kind of statement that might trigger violence. people don't respond well, he said it like it was no big deal and that's how the media treated it. didn't make headlines in any of the major newspapers in this country. that's the kind of moment we are in. so how long will this moment last? on friday, the mayor of los angeles predicted that the first in a series of lockdowns will go on until june. >> one of the thing that concerns me, not one of those immediate concerns, but this draws out through the summer and then the cold weather comes around and then there's another wave, how do you as a leader think about this? >> early on, they said it would be a couple of days or a few weeks and i said it's at least two months and if we are successful in this, we can expect a second spike in the late fall or early winter.

that's how viruses work. we better steal ourselves for a second and even third round of this. we also need to be nimble enough to know we are not going to flip a switch one day at her and the back on. >> tucker: a second and even third round of lockdowns, that's a long time. predicts the disruption may be even more severe than that, "we should certainly be prepared for a meaningful level of deliberate suspension of economic activity for the rest of the year. while it would be nice to have a good reason for this and everyone wants their sincerely, the arguments were starting to sound strange. in a much discussed article, they said lifting the lockdown at all even many months from now would be negligent, "as long as a large majority of the population remains uninfected, lifting containment measures will lead to an epidemic almost as large as what happen without

having medications in place at all." that sounds plausible when you read it and in fact it sounds like science, but is it science? a large majority of the population remains uninfected, they say. but is that true? we don't know what's true. nobody can say what percentage of the american population is infected or has been infected. there have been large-scale randomized tests here, we don't know when the disease first arrived in the united states. there's informed speculation that this has been here since late november or december. the first confirmed case to january 15 in washington state. an unnamed 35-year-old chinese immigrant landed in the united states after visiting his family in wuhan and landed in a hospital outside of seattle. depending on how you count, the virus has been circulating among us for up to four months now. for most of that time, no systematic attempt to quarantine the population. how many americans were infected over that. matt we don't even have a

ballpark number for that but it could be enormous because it turns out much easier to transmit that we thought it was. on friday, you may have noticed the cdc issued new guidance on mask use. they now recommend wearing a cloth face coverings in public. why did they make that change? researchers are learning more about how this virus moves from person to person. they now believe it should b coe transmitted by speaking. that recommendation was based on the believe the virus lived mostly on services and that's not the case. we are still not exactly sure and this is interesting to know, it appears to be astonishingly widespread. an article in the italian made out last thursday described a blood drive in a village in the most infected part of the country of the 60 people who showed up to give blood, 40 tested positive for coronavirus.

no one had shown symptoms of it or know that they had it. keep in mind they have been strictly locked down by government order since march 9th almost a month ago. about 70% of this group got anyway. a report from hong kong in february suggested that a woman diagnosed with coronavirus may have infected others ten floors away in the same apartment building even though she never came into contact with any of them. health officials concluded the virus likely traveled through plumbing pipes to different apartments and it wasn't a wild guess. in 2003, an outbreak of sars spread the same way. so it starting to look like the coronavirus is more transmissible than we expected or were told. the good news is, it also seems far less lethal overall. people are still dying in large numbers, not all of them are sick or old and that's terrifying to watch. but there is evidence that many infected people are not sick. iceland has tested a larger percentage of its population than any country in the world, testing about 5% of all citizens.

united states by comparison has .3%. half of those who tested positive and iceland have been completely asymptomatic. so given all of this, what is a wise response to this pandemic? historically, health officials have used quarantine to contain infectious diseases. until now, a quarantine consisted of doing everything possible to protect the especially vulnerable. in this case, that would include the elderly and immunosuppressed. we have a pretty good idea that targeted quarantines work right if they've been used for centuries around the world. but that's not what we did. instead, the united states and many other countries instituted mass quarantines in which government shut down entirely nations for long periods, this never happened before. mass quarantines makes sense if you are fairly certain it will it prevent mass infections, but are we certain of that? despite what you might hear on television, we are not certain of that still. there are some indications it hasn't been as effective as we hoped it would be.

italy imposed one of the toughest lockdowns in europe and almost a month later an overwhelming majority of at least one town has been infected with the virus anyway. it's possible to imagine that i'm mass quarantines might stop transmission of a virus and might work if it actually separated people. citizens were forced to stay in their homes and not have any interaction with other people but we are not doing that in the united states and we never will do that here. too many americans with loans, people would starve to death. instead, the direction we are living under his stay home except to buy food. the one place you can go is the supermarket where everyone else in your neighborhood has been this week. from an epidemiological standpoint, this is lunacy. you wanted to infect an entire population, you'd encourage everyone in a specific zip code to meet regularly and won a close location. doesn't make sense. authorities must know it doesn't make sense, but instead of changing course or fine-tuning, they are doubling down hoping that vehemence will compensate

for bad science. here is the mayor of los angeles just last week. >> if you've observed recurring violations, please continue to let us know. the old expression about snitches, in this case, snitches get rewards. we want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe. >> tucker: so you just saw the mayor of our second-biggest city offering to pay citizens to snitch on their neighbors for among other things daring to go to work. working as one activity we've decided should not be allowed. jogging, fishing, being employed, a massive threat to public health. we've decided that offices are somehow more dangerous than supermarkets, far more dangerous but no one has bothered to explain how. the result of this, by some estimates more than 17 million americans are unemployed right

now, the highest number in the history of this country. a year from now, and we should think about this, how will all of us feel about decisions we made in the face of this pandemic? is there a single person who sincerely expects the coronavirus itself will hurt more people in the end and the damage we are causing in response to it. probably not. mass unemployment is almost certain to cause far more harm including physical harm to the average families. in 1967, two psychiatric researchers decided to rank traumatic life events and how profoundly the affected people's health. stress can kill you and we know that and they wanted to determine which kinds of stress for the most dangerous. the doctors found that losing a job rank high on the list of health degrading traumas. joblessness came in well above death of a close friend to put it in some perspective. you've ever found yourself unemployed with defendants to take care of, you understand this. unfortunately, many of our policymakers don't understand. they don't have much interest in

middle-class job loss or its consequences. we know that because they've ignored it for decades, not to mention the family disintegration and the drug epidemic that has fun. so far, 10,000 americans have died from the coronavirus. that is a tragedy. but is not the only tragedy and progress in this country. in 2018, more than 67,000 americans died of drug overdoses. the year before, more than 70,000 died. that's more than the entire population of the towns most of us grew up in. and those totals are far lower than the real number according to people who study. the drug epidemic has permanently change the demographics but for some reason, they have not kept a running tally of drug casualties. why is that? you know why. is not their peer group. doesn't seem real. they are not that interested. the same thing is going on now. the shutdown was crushing college administrators or nonprofit executives for green

energy lobbyist, it would have ended last week. instead, it's mainly service workers and small business owners who have been hurt and they are not on television talking about what they're going through. you need to look closely to see the suffering. at the head of indiana's family and social services administration announced a call to the states mental health and suicide prevention hotline had gone from about 1,000 to 25,000 a day. calls to indiana's addiction hotlines have risen dramatically as well. reports of domestic violence has spiked in this country and around the world. in france, they rose 32% in a single week. someday, we look at the numbers on the child abuse going on during this locked down and we will all feel sick to our stomachs. once again, coronavirus is not the only bad thing that is happening in america right now, horrifying as it is. we should never minimize the danger of this pandemic or minimize our obligation to respond to it wisely. a thoughtful person wants to

reopen baseball stadiums for book a cruise to shanghai but there has to be a more balanced course and the one we are on now. for most people going to work cannot be more dangerous than buying produce at safeway twice a week and if it is, tell us how it is more dangerous and be specific when you describe that. otherwise it's time to start caring about the entire population. healthy people are suffering badly too. china's deception and possibly bad intent turned coronavirus into a global crisis. how can the rest of the world punish the government of china for what it's done, that's just ahead. plus the world health organization lends support to china and a u.s. senator wants them investigated. he's here too. the net doctor will tell us about hydroxychloroquine and white other news channels are telling you more about it. we'll be right back. these days you need faster internet that does all you

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increase your risk of getting disease. can also give you a false sense of security. so we want to make sure we are reserving it for the people who most need it. >> we get that, but if it could actually help us, we would like to know. >> the data doesn't show it helps individuals. >> tucker: that was insulting and nonsense. they didn't want to say it, so they patronized us and devalued their own credibility. the one thing we need in a crisis by lying to us in a way that anyone with google code of disapprove. here's a research including studies by our own government have found consistently that masks are useful. keeping the healthy from catching it. that's why they make masks, that's why people use them. the cdc has finally walked back this obvious lie. and but is not just our surgeon general who has lost credibility. the world health organization told the same live. >> generally recommend wearing

masks in public but otherwise well individuals because it has not been up to now associated with any particular benefit. does it benefit psychologically and socially know we don't criticize the wearing of masts and have not done so but there is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks has any particular benefit. in fact, some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse or wearing a mask properly and taking it off and all the other risks that are otherwise associated with that. >> tucker: what a liar. and first perspective, that's the same guy just in the last segment we showed you on tape saying that the world health organization reserves the right to come into people's homes and take their family members by force. okay. but wearing masks is wrong. they told you that on march 30th and already at that point, south korea and taiwan had essentially contained their outbreaks. they did in part by producing a

huge number of masks and making people wear them. but the world health organization was still pushing that nonsense, that's not a surprise and it shouldn't surprise you because you know the world health organization has bred many lies including the lie that coronavirus couldn't transmit person to person, that the virus was under control. the travel restrictions were just racism. in fact, you could argue that coronavirus might have been slowed or stopped by now if the world health organization wasn't so incompetent. at times, seems they're doing whatever they can to keep it spreading. he would like to investigate the world health organization for what it's done in response to this pandemic. thank you so much for coming on tonight. tell us why you believe the world health organization is culpable for this disaster. >> first off, they work for china, communist china. at first they said in a tweet that there was no evidence that there was human to human transmission. a lie. then they said on the 20th or something, china's doing a great

job. lie. i asked them when trumped at the right thing by doing the travel ban emma they attacked trump for doing the wrong thing. i asked him to do an investigation of china back in february, if they had done their job, everyone would have gotten more ready. and we wouldn't have all these people dead all over the world. so i am on homeland security, talk to the chairman ron johnson, he's agreed to do it. we are going to investigate why did they do what they did, what was their purpose and then why are we as american taxpayers giving them some of our dollars? >> tucker: bill gates the single largest donor why are they still treated as serious

people when so many of them are liars and buffoons. one thing is we should never, ever buy one more product from china. you have to say that's a group of people that completely lie to us and forced us to shut down our economy and kill american citizens and italians and spaniards of cross of stealing our jobs. they lied, they were right up with them helping. whatever communist china said. >> tucker: how long are we going to continue to fund this organization do you think? >> i hope this is the last year. and by the way, not only do i not want to fund the w.h.o., i can't imagine it's going to get any better than what we already know. but why are we funding organizations that are lying to us? we pay 21% of their budget. so what's going on here?

why are they parroting what china's doing and do they follow their protocol, i doubt they follow it for pandemics and why didn't they do it. for a protective gear and ventilators, therapeutics, stop relying on china for anything. >> tucker: thank you so much for that, great to see you tonight. as you know, this pandemic began in china, some evidence from the chinese that it came from a lab in wuhan accidentally. they certainly lied about it at the early stages, they told us it couldn't be spread person-to-person and they lied about how many cases they had and how many people died from it. they got the world health organization to endorse those lies. thanks to all of this, the rest of the world had inaccurate information and was unprepared and many thousands died. so this pandemic is the direct fault of the government of

china. anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or shielding for an appalling regime. now the world has suffered tens of trillions of dollars in net economic damage and they should foot the bill for that, how can we make that happen? gordon chang is the author of the coming collapse of china and joins us tonight, thank you so much for coming on. this is one of those ideas that sounds far-fetched just because people doubt justice will never be done in any circumstance, but there are ways that we can make china pay for this. what are they? >> there are certainly ways in one of them is china has a lot of liquid assets around the world. has more than a trillion dollars in treasuries for instance and it has money in euros, pounds, yen, swiss francs i'm a probably dollars and if we acted with the issuers of those currencies, we could see is a fair amount of money. would never compensate. you just can't compensate the lives that have been lost and

even the monetary compensation is not enough for the trillions of dollars in damages that you talked about but we need to create a deterrent. we need to deter future regime leaders from thinking that they can do something like this and get away with it. >> tucker: so you mentioned that they hold over a trillion dollars in treasuries, why wouldn't we just unilaterally forgive our own debt? >> if we were to do that, and we could easily do it, china would do a couple of things. first of all, they would say it was a repudiation of dead and then they would bash us. they would say we are not a responsible member of the global financial system. they would then try to dethrone the dollar. i understand what you're thinking, but the point is that we can a sort of avoid those types of charges if we work with the issuers of the other major currencies and then there's no arguments in that regard. sounds hard to do that but

nonetheless when you see what's happening in england right now especially to the prime minister, i think the anger there is enough so that we could actually build that coalition to actually get the other issuers to work with us. >> tucker: that sounds worth doing, thank you for every night you've been on come appreciate it. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> tucker: there is mounting evidence tonight that hydroxychloroquine might work as a treatment for the coronavirus. the press for reasons that are still not clear doesn't want you to know that that have been consistently hiding that and downplaying it and lying about it for weeks. what's the cost of lying about medicine? we will tell you after the break. before that, a look at washington, d.c., from earlier today courtesy of mark batista.

>> tucker: for the media and political establishment shutting the entire country down for months and destroying tens of millions of jobs to fight this

virus, seems like a perfectly reasonable risk to take. but what risk isn't worth taking, what's too dangerous, what's crazy, what is voodoo snake oil? using a decades-old drug off label without going through the fda approval process. a drug many of us who traveled abroad have already taken with no major side effects. a few weeks ago, they expressed hope the malaria of a drug hydroxychloroquine might be used effectively to treat coronavirus and the media have been attacking him and the drug ever since. >> we did say he would try and unproven antiviral drug. >> kept making a point about this unproven drug that might be successful in dealing with the coronavirus. a >> yesterday was a very disturbing briefing to hear the president talking about this unproven drug which hopefully will help many people who have this disease, but what do they have to lose? they could have a lot to lose.

>> tucker: msnbc went even further than that and you've heard of more reckless claim during a pandemic, call us because we would like to know what it is. they claim the president must have some kind of financial stake in this drug. >> dr. fauci wasn't allowed to talk about what he feels is important to say about this drug that the president keeps pushing, a lot of people would say follow the money, there's got to be some sort of financial titus someone somewhere that has the president pushing this repeatedly. >> tucker: that is paranoid and crazy and stupid. in the middle of a national crisis to say something like that on your stupid television show is totally wrong. chloroquine has been off patent for a long time, it was first discovered in 1935. but it went on like this constantly for a week.

chloroquine is bad, but then at a press conference today, the governor of new york andrew cuomo said that hydroxychloroquine actually has been working pretty well. >> we've allowed usage of the hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin pack in hospitals at their discretion. the federal government is going to increase the supply to new york pharmacies. hospital administrators, doctors want to give -- have a significant data set before they give a formal opinion. anecdotally, you'll get suggestions that it has been effective. >> tucker: they are mindless partisans. ceo has been on this topic for a long time, more than the rest of us were sure and joins us, thank you so much for coming on. so give us an overview and just

to be completely clear, i have no idea how hydroxychloroquine doesn't work and i am certainly not pushing the drug, i'm just interested in potential therapies for this disease to give us a sense of how you think it's working. >> we've used it on several hundred patients of our and so far it's pretty good, we have lower hospitalizations and lower mortality. we think it's because of its anti-inflammatory or immunomodulating effects. we know it has some antiviral properties but we been using it fda approved against immune type of inflammation which we know is what gets patients in trouble particularly in terms of the cardiopulmonary compromise that many patients can't walk away from and so 1500 dedicated professionals have one mission, beating this thing and using every tool. we have good science and a great safety profile so why not use it? >> tucker: as a physician who is using this drug to treat people who in some cases are dying, what do you make of the stories you're seeing on

television and imprint attacking anyone who is for using this drug and attacking the drug itself, what you think of that? >> i would say that the coronavirus pandemic is a medical issue, not a political one and ultimately, it should be between a patient and his or her doctor. and so if you are my patient and you had covid-19 or a fever for several days, body aches, perhaps cough, shortness of breath, would you want to have a conversation with me about whether the drug is right for you? >> tucker: of orange juice queued me, i'd be for it. we keep seeing these graphs that show infections around the world and then the malaria belt where it has been used for a long time, the numbers seem to be much lower. a lot of potential reasons for that. is there any science that shows a connection between hydroxychloroquine and

preventing this disease? >> there is science. right now, we have good science, not great but we are in the midst of this rate and terrible pandemic after it's all said and done, we will know the answers for certain and sherbet right now, we have concerns using every possible tool because when it is said and done and we asked the questions could we have done more? i want to be able to answer yes and are professionals want to be able to answer yes so that's what it's all about. >> tucker: now is the time for clear, cool thinking. inc. you, good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: some humans and bats it turns out are not the only mammals capable of getting the coronavirus. others are too. does that mean that this pandemic could be a threat to our livestock in this country and the american food supply, something worth worrying about. but first, latest footage from

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>> tucker: whether it started in the lab in wuhan as a group of chinese researchers determined or in the wet market next door, it is generally agreed that it began incubating in bats and then jump to human beings. the tiger at the bronx zoo has tested positive for coronavirus, apparently she was able to get tested by many people have been turned away. a tiger can get coronavirus, how

vulnerable our livestock? and what would that mean for a food supply? something worth thinking about. thanks a lot for coming on. so is this a concern, do you think? doctor, i don't know if you can hear me. okay. that was dr. marc siegel, unfortunately we are having a lot of technical problems partly because everyone on this channel and all the others are spread all over the country. in remote studios. so we are going to go back to him when we can. the first, we are going to speak to the spokeswoman for peta, so there were a lot of questions about how this virus began as we've noted and one of them stems from the wet market in wuhan. they are, and all over the world. so thank you so much for coming

on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: these wet markets, i saw a piece the other day in bloomberg defending the existence of wild animal markets. i would anyone defend something like that? >> it is indefensible because covid-19 and humans as you said is overwhelmingly believed to be a product of china's wildlife trade and so is sars. both of these are thought to have jumped from another animal into humans because these environments make it very, very easy for that species jump. so in these environments, you have animals, usually a variety, cage together. usually soaking wet.

it's very easy to jump species. it is not like bats and penguins, they have dogs and cats, they have their heads bashed in at these places and often times, they still have their collars on. and it's not just china. that's what makes it even scarier. these markets are all over asia, all over africa and you wouldn't believe there's over 80 live animal meat markets and slaughterhouses in new york ci new york city. >> tucker: so look, i know that a lot of americans feel uncomfortable telling of the so-called developed world and we are including china in that. what to eat, and it seems like a form of cultural imperialism and yes, the eight pets, but who are we to judge? how can we change that? no one should be eating dogs or cats, period. why don't more people say that out loud?

>> nobody should be eating dogs or cats, nobody should be eating wildlife, but passages do not discriminate, they did not only impact wild animals and we know that from bird flu, we know that from swine flu, any environment which is crammed in factory farms, animals and thereby the thousands or even the millions and so swine flu, super deadly form, has killed over according to the cdc 575,000 people. is thought to have its roots in a u.s. factory farm. and bird flu. >> tucker: i am not surprised. let me just say that the threat that runs through all of this is we are not being good stewards of nature, and we are getting stung. i appreciate you coming on. i don't agree with everything you will advocate for but i agree with you on this. we are going to rejoin dr. marc siegel having worked

out the kinks in our tiny studio to tiny studio broadcast this evening. doctor, are you there? >> i'm here, how are you doing, tucker? >> tucker: really well. tell me, should we be worried about livestock getting infect infected? >> no, not right now we shouldn't. in china in december, they did a big study where they found that cats can transmit covid-19 to each other, but dogs can't. i'll tell you why that's relevant. for watchers of "tiger king "on netflix, listen to this real-life story, they close the bronx zoo, and old haunts of mind that after they closed it is a zookeeper who had an asymptomatic infection actually passed it to three tigers and three lions who started to cough a dry cough and a loss of appetite and guess what happened to the tigers and lyons?

one of them was found to have covid-19 showing that the virus can pass -- the tigers name is nadia and she is four years old, beautiful tiger, seems to be doing well, same with the other three tigers and lions but it brings up the question, what about your house pets? what about your cat? your dog doesn't look like it's going to transmit this but your cat could. here's the good news, tucker. there is no evidence whatsoever that your pet, that your cat can transmit it back to you. you may be able to transmit it to your house cat, but there is no evidence that you can get covid-19 from your cat. what i am concerned about, however, as it could live on the fervor of cats and it could be on your pet and that by petting your pet or getting too close, you could then get it so be aware of that, what they are part of the problem we have a social distancing. unfortunately, you have to be distant from your house pet but

they are not going to be transmitting it to you directly. >> tucker: i would think that would be extremely hard for a lot of people to be distanced from their pets but it's good to know, thank you, good to see you tonight. i'm glad we fix that. >> good to see you. >> tucker: millions of americans as you well know because you are likely one of them have started using an application called zoom to work from home or to stay in touch with their friends. but could the company be giving your information to china? we've got details but first, coronavirus has been brought even in wealthy beverly hills to a screeching halt. just went there to get this footage.

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>> tucker: the tech company zoom is one of the big beneficiaries of coronavirus. zoom is the one you hear most about. to hit makes videoconferencing software and it's being used by millions that telecommute to work or socialize long distance with friends and family.

it's even being used for british cabinet meeting, that doesn't sound very wise and turns out it wasn't. they are headquartered here, one-third of its employees are in china move more critically, they use an encryption system that involves transmitting data into mainland china. is very likely that the chinese government could access any encrypted information passing through its country. it's not clear as to how that works, but even if it was, it actually an accident, there is more. zoom's service is an end-to-end encrypted. in other words, if zoom wants to, even if you want them to be private, you have no option. or it would shut down zoom's operations in china. government capable of making that threat? yes. they threaten to withhold

life-saving medical supplies from the united states if they made that threat to zoom, you know what would happen. the chinese government would win. you would lose. sound familiar? it's like that for a lot of things these days unfortunately. that's it for rest tonight, have a great evening. hopefully with the ones you love safe inside. sean hannity takes over an hour from new york. >> sean: social distancing, me and tucker, good to see you, thank you. now tonight, it is clearer than ever we are living through a transformational time. the world will never be the same, events of the last month are having a substantial and unprecedented impacts on our economy and our culture and our way of life. but we are making progress for now and in the future as well because the books are being completely rewritten on how we address pandemics. that includes travel bands, public-private partnerships, telemedicine, drive-through testing, antibody testing,

bypassing fda rules, allowing the choice, and that mea