by the way, kayleigh mcenany is now confirmed currently with the trump campaign as the new press secretary for the president. you'll hear more on that breaking news as we go through the day. thank you for joining us, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert, the latest word from the white house coronavirus task force, some positive signs are emerging in some of the hardest hit areas by covid-19. the numbers we watch daily are stubbornly high, though, confirmed cases surpassing 368,000. more than 11,000 people have died. here's that glimmer of light, the task force is pointing to. cases have begun to level off. >> everybody who knows me knows i'm very conservative about making projections. those are the kind of good signs that you look for. you never even begin to think

about claiming victory prematurely. but that is the first thing you see when you start to see the turnaround. >> harris: this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. with me on the virtual couch, melissa francis. katie pavlich, "town hall" editor and fox news contributor, dr. nicole saphier, new york city physician and fox news contributor, as well. joining us in the center box, brian kilmeade, cohost of fox & friends and a host of "the brian kilmeade radio show." he is "outnumbered." wait, we've got that "brady bunch" thing going on. i saw you looking up. let's get right to it. cautiously optimistic, we hear it from dr. anthony fauci. dr. saphier, there has to be some sign that they are looking at. what can we take away that is bright on this tuesday? >> dr. saphier: well, you know, harris, we just heard governor cuomo come out and talk. he said it's the highest single

day death in new york city. in the same vein, he was also saying hospitalizations are down. i. i see you down. people are crying ventilators are down. it's hard for a lot of people to understand, how can we be reporting more deaths? but also saying there's a glimmer of hope. the truth is that's because the people who are dying, it's because they've been in the hospital now for two, three, even for weeks. the glimmer of hope comes because now we are seeing fewer cases going into the hospital, which means all of these mitigation efforts are in fact working. that is why the university of washington just put out the recent modeling saying, "hold on a second, we thought 240,000 americans may die from covid-19." now they are cutting that number in half. that's largely because people are doing what they are supposed to be doing. they are staying home and doing as much social distancing as possible. >> harris: we talk daily but with the economy looks like when

you start to get going. it's the first time in recent days, when you heard governor cuomo last hour, saying they are starting to focus some -- not getting away from dr. saphier says is just working -- starting to look at what the reopening of the economy would look like. he's working with two other governors, connecticut and new jersey, because our states are connected. i would imagine those conversations are going on across the country, all the way up to the white house at this point. >> melissa: boy, harris, you know me so well. that was part of the news conference i really jumped up to listen more closely to, because every single day i talked to small business owners here in new york who reach out to me and say that they are terrified of what's going to happen. that they don't know when we are going to reopen, but even more than that, they will afraid people won't come back. even as they get these loans and these things to all of them they are just worried people won't feel safe enough to go back to

the gym, to go back to the nail salon, to go back to a restaurant. it's heartbreaking, it's really hard, but you don't want to lose sight of the fact that we are making progress. as the governor also said, we can't suddenly -- today is a gorgeous day in new york city, and we can't get tempted to go out and do the wrong things at this point and start going in the other direction, when finally the numbers are going in the right direction. >> harris: yeah. you know, you talk about that temptation, it's so hard, too. so many things -- i don't know how it compares in connecticut, but in new jersey and new york, he walked outside and you gather with more than two people and you get the stink eye from some of the neighbors. there are a lot of law enforcement driving around, undermining people, "don't gather, keep it moving." we aren't quite there yet were people will be ready for all of that, but it is temptation. it's going to be 70 and sunny on the east coast, so we are told. brian kilmeade, a lot of people

know you from fox & friends, and i've had the pleasure of knowing you from a different vein, and that is sports. when i want to know what's going on in the sports world, i try to find 5 minutes of your time and soak it up. what's going on in the sports world? i was reading today that dana white says that ufc events will go ahead. they were going to be rescheduled. "i've got a private island." are you looking to that? which of the tell us? >> brian: he's going to have a fight in two weeks paid by the way, dana white, extremely close to the president. as small business owner, they relate a lot. now he's got a major business, international business. also donald as the president of the united states really likes dana white's products. in a couple weeks he's going to do it. i think we will see a golf tournament in june. we see baseball talking about doing something where they all play in arizona, sometime in the not-too-distant future. the nba says, "we are not going to make a decision until may." now we understand college

football is saying, "we might even do a spring season." that would be a disaster. if the nfl is going to play, college football is going to play. people think, "what's the big deal?" college football find this almost every sports program in those major universities. if you can get people in the stands, you can't sell ads, broadcaster game, get the steel tailgate parties going. the whole university sufferings. >> harris: that's interesting. >> brian: i don't understand golf. nobody is tackling tiger woods. >> harris: they rescheduled the masters, that's down in augusta in november, right? >> brian: yeah, but they're going to play tournament in june, and another one in june. i don't know why they are playing in may. we need something. as i mentioned, with stuart varney, i watched a repeat of acts throwing on sunday sunday. a repeat of acts throwing. >> harris: i love a good

axe-thrower. [laughter] >> brian: there's nothing else to see! >> harris: this is probably the most levity we've had a group, katie and dr. saphier, melissa and brand, in a minute. it feels like a moment. right? and then we go back to it. so, let's hit it. a new associated press poll is indicating america has gotten the memo on social distancing. this is what dr. saphier was just talking about. even in the states that don't have top-down stay at orders, 94% of respondents said we are staying away from large groups. the poll also shows people in states without stay-at-home orders are about as likely to avoid contact in those states with statewide restrictions. so, everybody's just keeping their 6 feet or more no matter what. here is dr. birx, who coordinates the white house covid-19 response. >> dr. fauci and i both strongly believe that, if we work as hard as we can over the next several

weeks, that we will see potential to go under the numbers that were predicted by the models. it's the extraordinary compliance of the american people and the diligence they have mitigated with. remember, we are doing this strictly by behavior change. it's very hard to change the trajectory of viruses on just behavior change. >> harris: katie pavlich, we have seemed to have reached a tipping point. what do you think made the difference? >> katie: i think the white house being open and honest and communicating every single day about what needs to happen here. dr. fauci, about three weeks ago, said -- and he pleaded, he said social distancing is the only tool we have at this point. we don't have a vaccine, at that point we didn't have any kind of drug that could work to help with this virus. for him to say this is the only

thing, i think americans really do feel like they want to protect their communities and each other. when the task force stands up there and says, "you have the potential to hurt other people without even knowing it," people took that very seriously, and they have been willing to do this for a short period of time. i think now that we are seeing the back end of the numbers, or at least the starting of the back end of the numbers in new york, when you see that work pay off, people are willing to do it even more to get to the end -- the light of the end of the tunnel, as the president has been saying. there have been results from the actions that the task force has been asking everybody to take. if it had gone the other way, i think you would see a different situation of people maybe not obeying the rules, or what has been suggested, as much as they have been. but because we've all been in this together and you don't want to hurt anybody else, people really have taken that to heart. we are seeing results, as a result of their behavior. >> harris: dr. saphier, what

is the next hurdle we have to cross? >> dr. saphier: sarcoma say that again? >> harris: what is the next hurdle we have to cross? >> dr. saphier: unfortunately, there will still be a hurdle, and as you've alluded to, it's beautiful weather. we see everyone starting to say that it's starting to level off, people will think, "okay, we can loosen up a little bit." that's absolutely not what that means. it means what we are doing right now is working. we are not over that hump yet. we are right there. please continue your social distancing. i completely agree with what katie just said. this is a true test of the will of the american people. the white house's transparency and education, by telling everybody what's going on and certain things they can do to protect themselves, their families, and their community, that has shown which are americans are. they are doing what they need to do, which is why we are starting

to see a light at the end of this tunnel. but you have to keep doing it. we are not over that hump yet. please continue to watch the press briefings, because that's where you will get the best information. >> harris: one entity that is reacting to some of the light at the end of the tunnel, if you will, we knew we'd always get there. it's america, we're going to get there. but the dow is having a response. somewhat, in terms of that oil. i imagine that's also playing a role. we will look at the markets amid growing optimism that better days are ahead, in our fight against covid-19 pair look at that, it's up by 706. stay close. veterans, how can one phone call save you $2000 a year?

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♪ >> melissa: the dow looking to add to yesterday's 1600-point surge, fueled their growing optimism that coronavirus may be slowing around the world and here in the u.s. this, as president trump touts the loans being made to small businesses under the paycheck protection program, saying he's ready to go to bat to give businesses the funding they need to pull through this. >> nearly 3,000 lenders have already made loans under the

program, and we are signing up additional lenders very quickly, rapidly. community banks have been very responsive, and larger banks are also stepping up. if we run out of funds, by the way, we are already preparing, because it's going so fast for the small businesses and their employees. we will ask congress to refill it immediately. >> melissa: katie, he made a point there that i've heard from so many small business owners out there so far, which is that the community banks have made it really easy. with the big banks, it's not as easy. that there are a lot more questions, the programs are different. but they took such a beating in the last financial crisis, and there was so much additional regulation placed on them, and so much blame in the aftermath. it's not really surprising to me that the bigger banks are reluctant to sort of get out there and start spraying a firehose of money out into the community. what are your thoughts? >> katie: yeah, i think they

want to make sure they do their due diligence to make sure they don't create a longer-term problem for them after we get out of the situation. on the funding part of this, mitch mcconnell, right before he came to air today, said the program has been so popular that they do think it's going to be more funding. that he's willing to get on board with that. senator marco rubio has introduced new legislation to add additional funding to the program. but, melissa, when you talk about community banks, we talk about this all the time. closer to the people, usually no matter what the situation, it's more efficient at getting people what they need. when you're talking about small businesses, you have relationships with people who work in those banks. it may be easier for them to get through that process. >> melissa: yeah, without question. the bureaucracy of government is always a challenge. this is another thing i've heard so much about. the state employment offices are overwhelmed. we hear from people every day

and say they've been on hold for hours. they haven't been able to file their claim. while these federal dollars may show up through that $1200 per adult, the oh on a plumbing system is overwhelmed and some people haven't been able to file. >> brian: and this is not a surprise. it's 1970s technology. when this was rolled out, maybe there's 5% unemployment. and bad times, 8-10% on the plane it. they get overwhelmed can you imagine when millions of americans file, they find out there are additional funds, so they get this extra $600. they get more funds, and maybe for the first time they are doing it. so there is no way, for example, in new york to even show up and get in line. they have to show up and make a phone call. first they have to fill out an application. as they fill out the 8-page application, they hope it goes through, after it goes through they get a notice. "please call." then they get a busy signal or "call back a different time."

that's a big challenge, the frustration of not having a job, and not getting an appointment insurance. they have to figure it out qui quick. >> melissa: people are really frustrated. dr. saphier, as you look at the dow, up more than 700 points right now, that is really a reaction to this idea that we may be seeing some sort of an inflection point. we heard from the new york governor, numbers moving in the right direction. i know we are cautiously optimistic. would you put a warning on that? >> dr. saphier: of course i will, melissa. the thing is, the reality that these numbers bring to us is that it's the end of tangible. that we could potentially get there. the way to do that is -- we are capable of doing it by socially distancing, staying at home. we have some control. i think a lot of a lot of this uncertainty and the reaction we seem to the dow, the anxiety and the depression of just the american people, people felt it

was out of their control. now people are actually understanding that it is within their control to level off these numbers, to see decreasing cases. i get concerned that we have so much enthusiasm right now with covid-19 and people are doing what they need to do. they are wearing masks, staying home. was going to happen when they get through this pandemic come through this crisis? i hope people don't go back to business as usual. we need to help our small businesses and our economy. we spend tens of millions of dollars a year and preventable chronic illness. if people continued to live their healthiest lives, we could be saving tens of millions or hundreds of billions of dollars every year that could potentially go into the small businesses. and people continue to take personable accountability, responsibility for their own individual health like they are doing right now. >> melissa: that is such a great message. so true, we will end on that note. the cdc rolling out a new test to look for coronavirus antibodies in the blood of recovered patients. how this could prove vital information to help fight the

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♪ >> harris: the cdc is looking to the thousands of people who have already recovered from the novel coronavirus to now help out somebody else. the agency has a new test to detect antibodies in the blood that our immune system produces to help fight off infection. the goal is to see if the testing will shed some light on how widespread the pandemic is. >> if you are positive for the antibody, it strongly implies, it means, that you have had the virus before. antibody tests are a different thing. they are highly confident this can be scaled very rapidly and provide us a bit of information we just don't have now. >> harris: meanwhile, a study

being done by a team of investigators with south korea's cdc has found 51% of recovered to coronavirus patients have tested positive for a second time. the study finds the caught dog virus may have reactivated after lying dormant within the patient's body, but some experts say there is no evidence to support that. dr. saphier, i have been reading that a positive test may come back because it never really left in the first place and it is still part of our bodily fluids and kind of there dormant. what do you say about the study by the south korean cdc? >> dr. saphier: well, harris, i reviewed that study, as well. what the study said is that people who have the, about 51%, they tested negative and then they tested positive again. they are saying it's possible some virus lay dormant within the person and it's reactivated. i'm not so sure about that. there is a very high false negative when it comes to these pcr tests, the swabs we been doing in people's noses and mouths.

meaning you have to get far back there and get enough sampling for it to be positive. which is why you see anywhere from 30-50% of the time, if there's a negative result, it's actually wrong. china had this 48% false negative. so even though in the study they had, there was a negative test, i'm not quite certain they were negative. that being said, if somebody h had -- anywhere from seven, 14, 21, 28, 35 days. the studies are all over the chart right now which is why we keep updating recommendations, because studies change. in the united states we have not put out reports as far as i've seen that talk about any sort of activation. my guess is -- however, i really would err on the side of caution to wait until we see u.s. studies before we start being concerned or think that reactivation is possible. >> harris: okay. what we don't want to do is give

people, as you call it, a false negative. we don't want to give people a negative impression that getting tested isn't something they need to do, because the government is hoping they can test as many people as possible. and they are working through some of the faulty nature, as it's been reported come up some of this testing. >> dr. saphier: i want to just clarify -- >> harris: you are kind of going in and out. >> dr. saphier: i want to clarify that's not the false negative i'm talking about. the antibody test is what governor cuomo just mentioned, and the cdc is very excited. that is for people who have been exposed to the virus who have now built an immunity, potentially, to the virus. that is going to be, i think, a game changer. that's not the false negative that was dominic i was reporting for those of the nasal swabs. the antibody tests are what is going to help us restart our economy. that's going to save the front-line workers who can go back to work, people who can go back to work. people who can donate their plasma for convalescent serum, to trace those in the hospital right now. the antibody test, the cdc has

their own and many private hospitals and companies are developing their own, as well. that's the game changer for us. new york has already said they've improved it, and that's part of their plan to reopen new york. >> harris: thank you for clarifying that. you are kind of going in and out on your signal, but you are strong. we stick with it anyway. dr. saphier, thank you. you know, brian, it's interesting, because i talked with the mayor of miami yesterday, who was doing the very thing dr. saphier was talking about. he was sick, he has recovered, he's feeling good. he it has given his plasma and has help the patients he is monitoring now, who were not doing well and you are doing so much better. this is the way people can help out. i'm wondering what the message can be for this going forward. we got the social distancing part, but this seems like an equally bright message to make sure people are clear on. that it's not over just because you feel better. >> brian: the test in colorado, the antibody test, i

think that's going be the key. harris, i can see a time where we are walking to our building, we need our pass to get in right now, and beginning after 9/11 we thought, "a pass? you lock the side doors. how long is this going to last?" 20 years later, we don't even attempt to get in without our past. you need someone to help you in. i see us walking in with immunity passes that show, and maybe air temperatures taken as we walk in the building, and what governor cuomo said today is they are ready to roll it out in new york. the hardest hit still in the middle of it. that's a great start. let's use the plasma and know we are immune. that helps us go to restaurants, go to work, and that will be the beginning of organizing this fight until you get the vaccine. >> harris: it's personally empowering. we know the social distancing works. that is something within our power. this is another phase, as you are saying, brian. thank you very much. sit tight, we are coming right back. there's been a lot of drama over

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vote. i am a service-connected disabled veteran, and this is how i exercise my liberty. >> we did not like what both of the supreme court put it listed, and we feel they did not value our health at all about this. >> melissa: as that last voter mention, the u.s. supreme court also getting involved, reversing a lower court ruling that gave voters six extra days to return ballots by mail. katie, this is a tough one to me, because there is really no way to handle this that's fair. depending on if you hold the election, you know, it's going to favor someone's demographic. whether it's the age of the average voter that tends to favor a candidate, or it's a large turnout, a small turnout that favors you. at the same time, people feel like by voting they are risking their lives, potentially. what are your thoughts? how do you sort through this one? >> katie: i think the details of what went on here matter, and

it certainly is a mets and confusing when you have a governor singh regency at home order but then there is an openn that people can go to in person and vote in. there is an issue with mail-in ballots that were put out. there's 1.3 million that were requested. half of those, 500,000 have not been turned yet. so there's a question about whether there dominic the extension is to allow people who haven't mailed their ballots or if it's really as a result of this virus. it's a moment for everyone. you look at the supreme court ruling on this, you can't just change the law by decree through the court system simply because there is some other issue that comes up. state legislature certainly should take a look at this across the country and think about, "what if a, b, and see happened in the next pandemic? what are thresholds for delaying

an election?" is different for every state. i believe the ohio primary for the presidential election was pushed back until may or june. so each state has different rules when it comes to how they make their decision. so this is certainly something they can factor in when this is over. >> melissa: yeah. brian, what about the overall effect on the democrats? that was our number one topic for so long. now it's been wiped off everyone's consciousness in the near term. this idea that there is even a presidential primary going on, or that we have a presidential election in the fall. >> brian: absolutely. joe biden talking to the president yesterday, and the confirmation dominic conversation we can't characterize because neither side is talking. that's news. joe biden sang the president should work quicker, that's news. bernie sanders saying the president is a phobia racist, that's every day. so these two, it's been decided.

joe biden is going to win. seven delegates at stake. with the big deal? keep your social distance, where your gloves, have election workers take care of everything inc. sanitary, and get use to it. this is the way it's going to be. we will incrementally get back to normal. i salute wisconsin for doing it. joe biden won. i don't know what bernie sanders is doing sticking around. >> melissa: harris, what do you think about that? >> harris: i just have a question for brian that's kind of an overarching -- maybe even a constitutional question. whichever kind of legal lane you want to put it into. our states beholden to this idea of "stay at home," that a state supreme court has to recognize that? katie kind of hinted at this, but i'm just not clear on what the rules are. if there's a a stay-at-home order because of the pandemic, what is the exception they would look at? katie is right, we need to start to talk about this. if this comes back in the fall,

it matters. >> brian: put it this way, if they tell me it's voting day and they tell me to vote, i will just do the same thing i would do if i had to go to the food store. i would just keep my distance. i have to eat, i have to pick up medicine for somebody, i'm going to do it. i'm going to vote. so i'm going to work out into the necessary things we have to do, like the necessary jobs that we have to go -- >> harris: essential, get what you're saying. >> brian: listen, you've got to do it. if you don't want to vote, you don't want to vote. because you know joe biden won already. to me, they are making a big deal of nothing. this is done. we go from here is unscripted. i have nobody around to interview from 1918, so we will have to wing it from here. >> harris: in my house i feel pretty old with my teenager, but... >> melissa: [laughs] all right, tension still running

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sounding off on the navy's removal of captain brett crozier from command of the uss theodore roosevelt. that came after the captain's letter, pleading with naval officials for help with the covid-19 outbreak on board has aircraft carrier. well, that letter leaked to a newspaper, as you know. it's been happening. the president telling reporters yesterday he might look into the situation. not mincing words when act about crozier's actions. here's the president. >> he sends a letter out and he sends copies all over the place, and it's not a classified letter, and it was very disconcerting to the families of the people on the ship. it was weak. we don't want weak. but i'm going to take a look, because -- it looks to me like he's an outstanding guide. spew an navy secretary thomas modly has now apologized to the roosevelts crew and captain crozier himself after leaked remarks he made yesterday, saying the captain

was either "too naive or too stupid" to lead the ship. modly now says he does not think captain crozier is either of those things. fox news has learned to defense secretary mark esper directed modly to write that apology letter. katie, i come to you. this has come on back and forth now for several days. we are following it. it started with a coronavirus breakout on board the theater roosevelt. >> katie: yeah, there were questions about why captain crozier allowed the roosevelt to dock in vietnam while china was experiencing the coronavirus. so, that was a question of judgment. i think the bottom line for president trump is, "i've look at has long history, he's done amazing things for the country in terms of his leadership, and i don't want," as he said yesterday, "one bad decision or a bad day to lead to the demise of his career or define a long and good career by this."

what getting involved means, i'm not exactly sure. the walk-back from the acting secretary of the navy is really quite something. i believe he flew all the way there while we aren't supposed to be really traveling right now, to make the statements about the captain. which seemed unwarranted. for him to walk that apology back seems like it came from the top. for president trump, it just seems like he doesn't want this captain to be defined by a pandemic that really has affected everybody, and people have maybe made some bad decisions when it comes to dealing with it. but he is maybe giving him a second chance. what that looks like, will have to see. >> harris: you know, reports were that captain crozier himself tested positive for covid-19 this week. we were taking a look at the video of that enormous aircraft carrier, and all of those men and women on board. we remember the video from over the weekend where they were cheering when captain crozier left. it has been a lot of drama, and

a fair amount of them now have been tested. some of them have tested positive, but their goal is to get through and see how many people on board actually have coronavirus. >> brian: a couple of things, it was all about the medication. if he picked up the phone and communicated directly, in the same words, to his commander or to the acting secretary 's office, he probably would have been fine. might have gotten commendations. but it was all about the fact of national security. if the uss teddy roosevelt is in charge of the south china sea and information gets out that this teddy roosevelt is disabled and can't go anywhere, who knows who might be in danger who thought they were policing -- whether it's taiwan or vietnam or one of our allies in the region, japan. the fact that it was an unsecured email and it was sent out in the way it was done, i always thought that maybe a hearing to get both sides of it might be the best way forward

before this became public. but the acting secretary, and general jack keane, who i talked to the radio on it about it, he said it's pretty cut and dry. it looks like the president will get involved. >> harris: the president said he would. we don't know quickly what that will look like. melissa, one of the things that was reported from jennifer griffin on our team at fox news was that somewhere in the hierarchy of the defense, the dod, there was a quote of "he wafted on this," if modly does this. we will see what the defense department does today. >> melissa: it'll be interested to watch. it goes back to the point we made in the last segment, that we haven't done something like this recently. we don't have systems in place necessarily to figure out what to do. i understand that he clearly

broke the chain of command and frankly put a lot of people in danger and the way brian spoke of. that makes me really uncomfortable. but it just reminds us that, in the midst of watching a whole bunch of people around you get sick, people don't really have a plan in place on how to deal with that and they do things they regret later. >> harris: yeah, it's an interesting point. we will see what the defense apartment does. i could acting secretary of the navymod. is there any next step for him? more on the fallout. i will cover it next hour. general terrence o'shaughnessy, commander of northern command, will join me. plus, reports that all 30 major league baseball teams could play their games and one metro area. brian and i touched on this as possibly a silver lining coming our way. we don't know. that may not be the most radical idea to bring sports back. we will get into it. ♪ ey savinnewday usa.

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>> melissa: the coronavirus pandemic has ground sports to a standstill. may sports be back? reportedly baseball and the players union are discussing potentially putting all 30 teams in the phoenix area this season and playing to empty ballparks. this, as the nfl has reportedly been hashing out details for virtual draft it would hold later this month after the league scrapped plans for a draft in las vegas due to the pandemic. in the meantime, ufc president dana white may have the most out-of-the-box idea yet. listen to this. >> i'm going to continue to pump lights out. i've also secured an island. i've got an island. the infrastructure is being built right now. we are going to do all of our international fights on this island. when april 18th, when we do this fight on april 18th,

international and in the united states, we are going to start cranking. >> melissa: brian, my goal in life is to say out loud, "i have an island." that's all i want. what you think about this idea? [laughter] >> brian: i'm going to get you a price on long island, because it's for sale right now. a little over run but you have to take alec baldwin, too. he's out in southhampton. a couple other things, dena is tight with the president. he talks to him, he understands what's going on. he didn't want to stop the first time. this makes total sense for him to be the first. believe me, the administration is on board. if they had a problem, he would be doing it. it makes total sense. that report it was way too close. baseball is the most intriguing because those players don't get paid. but basketball is going to get paid. hockey is going to get paid. if you don't start the baseball season, they are not going to get paid. they live a $15 million lifestyle. it's hard to make up for that when you lose an entire season. they will go to arizona and play

in front of empty stadiums, two games, five days, seven days a week if they have to. >> melissa: dr. saphier, let me ask you. does that qualify as safe? will they have to take an antibody test or something before they get out there? maybe the stadium is empty but there is certainly not social distancing from each other when you try to tag someone out at base. >> dr. saphier: sure. i don't know how it's going to work. katie and i both being from arizona, they have the salt river field, which has 12 practice stadiums and one main stadium. they were talking about potentially just quarantining everybody who actually is playing baseball and keeping them all confined within their own hotels and their own baseball diamonds. is it just going to be a free-for-all and they will deal with herd immunity? they will just allow people to infect each other? i don't really know. if they are going to do this smartly, you are right, having antibody test to see who can possibly -- who has already been exposed and may be immune to it,

that means you probably have very limited amount of players actually playing. i don't really know how that's going to play out. arizona is beautiful this time of year, they definitely have the space to socially distance. maybe the umpires aren't there, maybe it's like a flag football version where you can't touch each other? i don't really know. >> melissa: katie, what are your thoughts? >> katie: my thoughts are go nationals, world series champs. [laughter] >> brian: that is not helpful. >> melissa: if somebody has to go back out on the field and start this, we will see if baseball can be the one to figure it out and do it. my husband has watched the same football game over and over and over again. i could tell you every play that's coming up. we watched the same one. we need some new sports. anyway, thanks, guys. thanks to everyone, thanks to brian kilmeade and everyone on our virtual couch. we will be back here at noon eastern tomorrow. now, "outnumbered overtime" begins. ♪

>> harris: this is "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." i'm harris faulkner. top of the hour now with a new update on the numbers. we are watching as a nation and around the world. nearly 1.4 million cases worldwide now are confirmed. more than 78,000 people have died from covid-19. here in the united states, there are more than 378,000 confirmed cases. this, as experts are warning the u.s. death toll could be the highest in the world within a week. and this is breaking, new york state has more cases now than the nation of italy, with nearly 139,000 cases at this point. meanwhile, dr. anthony fauci, aboard the white house task force, says life may never return to normal the way we knew it before the outbreak. watch. >> if you want