he is the head of the president's task force, vice president mike pence will be here. we'll get all the crucial updates in the battle against covid-19. as always, thank you for tuning in, we always seek the truth, we are not the media mob, let not your heart be troubled. or ingram, how are you? >> laura: it's great to see you. i have to say, this name to the president tonight on your show, it just reinforced this idea that he's someone who will work with anyone. these people have insulted him. they accused him of all manner of wrongdoing, collusion. >> sean: i think he's nicer than your eye tonight. >> laura: it's amazing tonight but he will work with anyone because he wants america to heal. his critics won't give them that but that's okay because i think people see it. i like that. i like the fact that he's very optimistic and that's what we want. we want objective facts but we

want optimism. >> sean: a week -- first they were telling us we didn't do some of these things, including the travel ban and then the other bands. >> laura: yeah, yeah, yeah. >> sean: the quarantine, and everything else. if the number of deaths could have been two and a half million americans. >> laura: i'm getting into some of that. >> sean: the number of hospitals are on this decline which we didn't expect this early, thank god. >> laura: great show as always, great to see you -- >> sean: great shows this week, thanks. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is the ingraham angle from washington tonight. we could be on the verge of a potential new breakthrough for treating some of the most severe coronavirus cases. we are going to go live to the mayo clinic for all the details, it's fascinating. and aoc things president trump is using the pandemic to target certain groups of people. i kid you not. dinesh d'souza, no one better than that to react. plus, what a surprise, the left is adopting chinese propaganda

and pushing it. the expert of experts on china exposes that all. but this is america in shutdown, day 22. it was just a few weeks ago that we were hearing very scary numbers like these. speak of the number was 2.2 million people have died. 2.2 million people would have died in a short period of time. >> as you saw on that slide, that was a real number, that 100000-200,000. and we think that that is the range. >> americans be prepared for the likelihood that there will be 100,000 americans who die from this virus. >> the answer is yes. as sobering a number as that is, we should be prepared for it. >> laura: but now it looks like those projections, which drove the experts to recommend an aggressive economic shutdown of america, were wildly off ba

base. >> the head of the centers for disease control now says u.s. coronavirus debts could be much lower than the hundred thousand or 240,000 predicted by some earlier model. >> every model is only as good as the assumptions that go into it. originally the assumption was that fewer americans would keep their distance. >> laura: but you well behaved, so things are better. i understand what we are talking about here. the final death count today is projected to be about 80,000 people. in other words, 30 times fewer than the high-end of what was originally forecast, that 2.2 million figure, and three times fewer than the 240,000 number. we know there -- that our country is still experiencing excruciating loss, the loss of life, and we believe, as we set every night but every life is precious, every death matters due to whatever cause. it's worth asking what what our

response event and what are responsive unless damaging to the economy, to the lives of all of you millions of americans, if we had had more accurate models from the start? and shouldn't this experience make us less willing to rely on the same experts to help determine when and how we should reopen our economy? meanwhile, in europe, the leaders of norway, denmark, czech republic and austria have announced plans to relax coronavirus lockdown restrictions. norway will end its ban on family traveling to their holiday cottages on april 20th. other businesses will be allowed to reopen then too. denmark? well, they will press ahead with a cautious reopening of day care and primary schools article 15. talks are underway to get the businesses up and running again as well. and more good news from germany, which is the third-largest outbreak in europe. they saw the number of daily recoveries outnumber new covid cases for the first time on

tuesday. check out their new infections curve. looking much better. but in france, the government there has decided to take away the one thing people had left to keep them, frankly, sane, by deciding to ban outdoor daytime exercise. that seems totally nuts to me. i'm not an expert in these things but exercise has so many health benefits that would seem to outweigh the risks that you're going to get coronavirus when you run or bike past someone on a trail. although -- i don't know, physical exertion, even indoors, can pose its own challenges. >> letting go! ♪ >> laura: and finally, you feel it, don't you? that america is getting increasingly anxious about the shutdown. and given the fact that the death rate for covid-19 may end up being only slightly worse than a very tough flu season, we

want answers. we want objective metrics for restarting things. >> this idea of reopening up the economy. there's a switch that you can just turn it back on -- how does the administration envision this happening? >> a first mission is to save lives, but there is a dual track that the president has already initiated. some of the best minds here at the white house are beginning to think about what recommendations would look like that we give to businesses, that we give to states. >> laura: well, a little vague, but what about parents and their children? are they ever going to go back to school? >> what you think summer camp holds and what you think the start of next school year holds? >> it is unprintable, but you can get a feel for if we start talking about the things where the curve goes down and we really have minimum -- how we respond and what kind of a rebound we see or don't see.

>> laura: you know what else is going like this? retention of information. kids learning. that's what a lot of parents are emailing me and thank you, keep the email coming, but those answers are murky, right? they don't give your sense of what are we looking at here? remember, as much as we respect and admire all those who are on the front lines of our health care system, especially doctors, nurses, all the staff, we didn't vote for doctors. we didn't vote for modelers or statisticians, as brilliant as many of them can be. we voted for political leadership that sees the big picture. that means the whole picture of america. because we all know -- we walk out the front door, life entails risks. the vulnerable need protection, especially the elderly and those with underlying conditions. and it is the same time, freedom meets preserving. we just cannot have our people denied the ability to make a

living, go to school, attend worship services, travel as they wish, see their friends. we need a realistic metrics. we need clear protocol to give people peace of mind once we do restart our economy and reopen again. we want people to go back to restaurants and so forth. we want those businesses to not just survive, but thrive again. otherwise we risk creating a new epidemic, one of continuing mass unemployment, depression, societal fallouts, even the medical experts today still can't foresee. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 22, america and shutdown. joining me now is steve moore, who is trauma 2016 economic advisor and also with me is chairman and ceo, founder of lifetime fitness. steve, how can we get this country reopen?

fees -- when elected officials are asked questions and such respect for all these guys, such a tough thing they're trying to balance here, but there seems to be a lack of objective metrics. we heard about the curve. we heard about the projections, but now we find out that the projections were wildly wrong. by not a factor of a few percent, but by a factor of 30 from the highs that were predicted. >> well, that's right, laura. and i heard that many of the politicians say quite correctly that our first priority is to save lives. that's for sure, but i've got to tell you this loud and clear, laura. the american economy, our $20 trillion economic engine is in the intensive care unit right now. it's like it's on life support. and you look at what's happening with -- you talked about millions of businesses that are affected. i'm here to tell you, if we don't get this economy opened up in the next 4-6 weeks, you're going to see these businesses

never come back. they're going to be wiped out. there's not projections, laura, of unemployment in the united states of 40 or so million people, 30% unemployment rate. that's worse, laura, then we saw during the depths of the great depression. by the way, this doesn't just affect the united states. as you know, where the epicenter of the entire world economy, so when the u.s. economy falters like it is right now, it is crippled and it is crippled because of the shutdown. it affects everyone in the whole world, you've been right about this from the very start and people like you and me have been very criticized for even daring to say maybe it's time we start taking into account what we're doing to the economy, so we do have to do -- >> laura: i've got to -- with god to protect lives, but as i believe one of the double phds at stanford -- and the guy is not political said last week, the week before, these are all

lives. there are lives on both sides are and it's tough because we don't want anyone to die of any horrible illness. but we have to look at the long-term ability of the united states to remain a free country and would help a prosperous country where people like him and in thousands of employees can get up in the morning and go make a living. and that goes to you, you know, people are talking about restarting the economy are i guess demonized as uncaring, but i know you paid for your first month of your employees, 40,000 employees, you covered, you know, their salaries even when you guys were shut down, how is this looking? >> you're exactly right, laura. steve is right, the president's right. the president has the right instinct that we have to go back to work. the damage to the economy is exponentially bigger each day.

just like the modeling for the coronavirus was exponential. and if we do not move fast and decisively with a whole plan, the plan has to include how you're going to fight the virus. we have two cohorts, the virus and we have the collapsing economy. and it's like a wheel with the spokes. you have to think about all the spokes simultaneously. but just like steve said, just like you have been trying to say over and over and over, and the next six weeks, you're going to see the impact of the shutdown kill more people from depressi depression, more people from starvation. young people. i mean, it has complete stopped and it will stop. if you don't have money for your own basics you're not going to give money away so we really have to balance this thing. we need a target date, i call it the d date. we have to have a day -- this is really important. all the boardrooms, the activity

in the u.s. is completely collapsed. i can't -- no other boardrooms, no other ceo can make any plans, and hard to even restart without having a date. our deadline is critical. i have had my team five years -- this is really important. five years we have played with being digitally capable for our members. when we shut down and within ten days we have additional platform up and running. we need that. everything can get ready. >> that day, by the way, should be may 1st. we shouldn't slide from that. by the way, did you see what happened today, laura, mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader now says we need $250 billion more money -- the bill they just passed last week, we are spending money like it's candy in washington, like hershey kisses. we are up to $2.5 trillion. they want to spend another $2 trillion and he says we made

them another 2 million on top of that. this is going to bankrupt our country and all of that money that we are spending, that's not going to solve the problem this gentleman is talking about. these businesses are not going to be around. you just can't spend enough money to save these businesses. >> laura: i was listening to someone, maybe it was on fox business, bahram, saying that the idea that we can spend our way out of this -- i'm in the president knows we can't do that. we can't spend our way out of it. we can help people and we need to help people, but we've got to get -- we got to get the engine of this economy moving again and what we are seeing now is all these former obama administration officials and some former bush of ministers and officials saying, well, we got to be very careful, we honestly don't want another spike in the illness, but they're not looking at the broader patient of the america, bahram and i'm afraid it will start listening to the former obamacare architect and wait until the late fall -- left by

the sound bite just so you know what i'm talking about. this is what he said. >> realistically, covid-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. we will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications. how are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for year and a half you met is all that economic pain worth trying to stop covid-19? the truth is, we have no choice. >> laura: bahram, your 40,000 employees, where they go in 18 months -- you shut it all down, for 18 months, to get it all buttoned down here. >> 40 million people. with all due respect -- >> laura: it's an embarrassment. >> it such a thoughtless statement. let me say just like steve said, economy is like the blood flow, it's how fast the money is moving around. in our economy.

it has completely slowed down. parts of your body are going to go to sleep and die. every week is critical -- critically more dangerous. so we need to have a plan. we have lived with viruses for thousands of years. they've been around. we have not given to the fear of the virus. the fear of the virus is going to kill so many more people than the virus itself. we have to have a plan to go back to work without fear and i can -- i can suggest concepts on how we can do that. >> laura: we will have to save that for another time. gentlemen, we are going to stay on this, we will have you both back. where i was the going to be talking with us for the next -- well, lord knows how long, but thank you very much for both your thoughts. and everyone wants to get back to work and one republican senator says he has a way to do this, but at what cost? wheezing and a senator bill cassidy believes we need an online immunity

registry. he joins me now. senator, what information would be included in this registry? any time we are registry i think we all -- a little chill goes down our spine. but what would this be? could it be achieved in a reasonable amount of time scaled up fast and how would it work? >> we've been living with immunization registries since the mid-1990s. whenever a child is vaccinated at birth, hepatitis b, et cetera, it's entered online and in which entered college, law enforcement money five years later you pull it down, you say here's my record, i'm okay, you don't have to get revaccinated. so we've actually been living with these for quite some time and they are hipper protected. so what you want to have some evidence of the persons immunity so they can go back to work -- for example, think of the nurse's aide who, knowing that she is immune, would not need to wear a personal protective equipment when she works in a nursing home. she's not going to get infected,

she's not going to affect other people. you can imagine how that would continue to go out. and so as a way to make sure someone is immune, allowing them free or access to the economy, if you will, in a way that can follow them if they need to. they can pull it down and give it to their next employer and they are okay. >> laura: the problem with that, though, senator, we don't how many people are really immune to this. we think maybe there are a lot more in california that have developed some immunity, more than we thought before since that virus was probably circulating on the west coast longer than on the east coast. that's why they seem to have done a lot better. the shutdown obviously little bit earlier as well. but what about the people who are young who are in pretty good health, why couldn't they go back to work right away too and if they get sick they got to stay home? they can't go around the elderly people, they can't go around the immunocompromised. >> so great points, laura. the thing about the younger

people, they almost very rarely -- unless they have underlying health conditions, get really sick from covid-19 but they can't get affected and spreading to other people. so much so that they may have no symptoms whatsoever, give their grandma or grandpa a kiss, spread the infection to them. the grandma and grandpa ends up in the icu and the young person never knows there infected. the administration is planning a widespread what is called cerro surveillance. checking people to see if they've previously been exposed to the coronavirus. and if you have that, okay, i am now immune. i didn't know i was infected. i'm immune. i can return to the economy. >> laura: but senator, here's the problem. we don't know how long immunity lasts, correct? it could last a few weeks, it could last a few years. we don't have that information yet, correct? >> so the scientific community is clearly anticipating that the immunity is going to last at least until a vaccine is developed.

and this evidence from other coronavirus is and kind of the operating principle behind people coming up with antibodies that are going to provide immunity at least for several months, maybe for as long as a year. so we don't know for sure, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that that immunity is going to last for a while. >> laura: here's my concern, if we only have 10% of the country 15% of the country who was already developed an immunity to this, that's not enough to get this economy back. i mean, you have to have a process for getting people who are young with no underlying health conditions that can get into that economy, get back to work -- and again, until we get a better handle on things, keep her distance from people, that separation of however many feet we need so that the elderly and the other vulnerable people aren't hurt in all of this. with got to figure out a way to get people back to work. it can't be just the people who have the immunity. that's not enough people, senator. >> you just said it perfectly.

your children go back to school, children classically spread disease among each other and give it to the old people, if you will, like me. so if you have folks back in school, they are going to become immune, the children are. as long as you are periodically monitoring when they become immune, then you can free the children to have the normal interaction they would have with their grandparents. you start building up that herd immunity just by allowing younger people to resume their lives, but do serial testing to protect the older people that need to know who's immune and who is not. >> laura: senator cassidy, this is fascinating, we can't wait to see where this goes and we certainly hope for all the best for this country and for our economy and all of the health and lives of the american people, thanks so much. and coming up, some states are flattening that curve faster than the experts predicted. well, my medicine cabinet has some answers. plus the mayo clinic is investigating another potential breakthrough treatment for the virus. we are going to go straight to all of them for the details. you don't want to miss it, stay

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♪ >> a woman last night, i watched her on one of the shows, good show, laura, and she was -- she thought she was dead. she was a representative from

michigan. she was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days. she saw me talking about this and she asked her husband to go to the drugstore. he got it. he gave it to her. you know -- i don't say it works like this at all. four hours later, she awoke and she said, "i feel better" and then shortly thereafter she felt great. >> laura: that was president trump him earlier today talking about the democrat state rep from michigan we had on last night who credits hydroxychloroquine and the president with saving her life. she says the drug eliminated her covid symptoms within just a few hours but i suppose those doctors on cnn and msnbc, we just call that anecdotal evidence. joining me now is my medicine cabinet, dr. stephen smith, founder of the smith center for infectious diseases and urban health and cardiologist, ceo -- dr. smith, great to see you. i know you've been busy today and all your doctors have been

very busy treating covid patients. how much anecdotal evidence will it take to convince the naysayers? >> let's talk about this for another physician. if we talk about -- we would say this is proof that it works because the collection of very similar anecdotal stories where you stop a drug and restarted and if the patient gets worse or gets better and the patient responds really rapidly. in this case we've had several cases like that in both categories. in this case it's anecdotal, and others its therapeutic efficacy. i don't get the difference in the way they're treating hydroxychloroquine, it makes no sense to me at all. of course this drug works. and we should be using it more and more. >> laura: well -- prophylactic. we will get back to the prophylactic nature of this in the second but doctor, before we get into that, this is what cnn's dr. aggression chess to

residence, set about giving patients hydroxychloroquine. watch. >> laura: there are potential side effects, even on the eyes. so i don't know how significant the side effects would be because we're not even sure what kind of dosing we are talking about, how long patients would get these medications. that's why you study it, but you can't -- you can't diminish the side effects because you don't even know what exactly where talking about here. >> laura: doctor, just kind of laughing i guess at all of us and the physicians across the country and across the globe like dr. smith, was prescribing it. >> the doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. this is a drug that's been around for 60 years. we give it to children, we give it to women who are pregnant. with no birth defects. we used to use it quite frequently in malaria, prophylaxis but we stopped. not because of side effects in these patients, but because there is developed of

resistance. the data on retinal issues is as therapeutic at low dose that we use for prophylaxis, if less than 2% over ten years. the ekg abnormalities, which are beastly as a cardiologist i'm very familiar with, are almost nonexistent. the dosing that is very basic, which is a five day course of hydrochloric when, zithromax and zinc, if less than $20 and is notoriously safe. i was with us is going to be used under doctor supervision. why he exaggerates and can fabulous about this i'll never know. >> laura: dr. -- dr. smith, went on a tear yesterday on this network. watch. >> it saddens me that people are promoting that drug. in any situation there are always going to be people who promote one kind of thing or

another. at very best this drug will have a very mild effect on changing the course of the disease, if it has any effect at all. >> laura: quackery, dr. smith. that's what he's calling you, basically. >> i've called other doctors quacks, but i've never been called one. i'm stunned. i mean the scientific evidence is robust. the safety data is unbelievable. you know, people are arguing we shouldn't get hydroxychloroquine out for prophylaxis or to hoard because the lupus patients couldn't get it. and then they are saying it's not safe. is it not safe or should lupus patients get it? can't be both. of course it's safe. of course the patients do better on it. our patients do better on it and it's just data. look at the data. that's all i'm saying. we talked about risk factors for severe disease liquid talk about

steroid use for using drugs like the ibuprofen. or other drugs. that's the same sort of data they're looking at. it's observational data. but if are going to make an association between the drug -- the better outcome, that's not okay. that kind of illogical approach has no place in medicine or science. it's just disgusting. >> laura: it's completely disgusting and you have to think at some point it's only because president trump brought it up. i mean, he brings it up -- he says the sky -- he says down is down, no, it's up. it's all patently obvious to me and you guys are doctors, you don't have to think this way but i've been in this town for way too long. but i see right through their motives and it's patently obvious to me that they have something that works in large percentage of cases in there like no, it can't work yet. it's insane.

and dr. oskoui, really quickly on the disproportionate effect on the african-american community, dr. fauci spoke to this today. i want you to listen to what he said and then react on the other side. >> okay. >> it's not that they're getting infected more often, it's that when they do get infected, or underlying medical conditions of the diabetes, the hypertension, the obesity, the asthma, those of the kinds of things that lined them up in the icu and ultimately give them a higher death rate. >> laura: dr. oskoui, is that correct? hypertension, diabetes -- i know dr. smith has spoken to this. >> i think steve has some excellent data which i hope he'll publish soon. we'd seen a higher proportion of hypertension, higher diabetes, metabolic syndrome, obesity and beasley type 2 diabetes in that population. what i also worry about, laura, is that people are not coming to

the hospital as early as possible to get treated. clearly the literature shows with hydroxychloroquine, possibly with doxycycline if there are concerns of using both together, the sooner you get treated, the earlier in the disease process, the better. i often wonder when i heard that whether there's an issue in terms of them coming to the hospital soon enough to get the most benefit from this treatment. >> laura: dr. smith, very quickly, we're almost out of time. do you concur with that, the earlier the intervention the better and that goes to prophylaxis preventative as well to make >> of course. i beasley. with any impaction that you have an effective therapy for, the earlier the better. i don't have any infection where that hasn't shown. so that's obviously -- >> well put. >> laura: that's just anecdotal evidence, obviously, dr. smith.

both of you with all your experience and your degrees, all a bunch of quackery. i mean, this is ridiculous. >> laura: great to see you guys, sorry, that delay with skype. great to see you both. a brand-new trial started this week focusing specifically on treating some of the more severe and life-threatening covid-19 cases. at the mayo clinic is using plasma from patients who have already recovered from the virus and then giving it to those who desperately needed. join me now is dr. bill murray's, resident of the mayo clinic lab. doctor, how is plasma recovered from recovered patients going to help? that's kind of the old school way of doing things, is it not? >> well, first of all, good evening, laura, it's really a pleasure to be here. the plasma -- yet it is essentially a standard of care that's been around for a long time in terms of taking plasma from someone that has recovered from an infection, in this case

a viral infection and using it to treat those that are suffering from a disease. and that's why in the laboratory we have been really focused not just on the molecular testing, which detects the presence of the virus itself, but the blood test for the antibodies, the so-called serologic tests, so to find people who have developed antibodies to the virus. number one to identify health care workers who have been exposed, potentially immune to get back to work. number two is to find people who could be potential plasma donors for the program that your speaking of. vaccines in the next generation of therapy that you're kind of alluding to, we will use the serologic tests to really find out if people are developing antibodies as we would expect and therefore getting the immunity that you hope for from a vaccine trial. so the program -- >> laura: i'm sorry, dr. barry i'm sorry -- i was talking to a doctor and epidemiologist in switzerland over the weekend. this is what i do with my weekend time now because i have a lot of time.

and he said they had only started to work on three patients with this plasma treatment and their -, you know, they're in the process of monitoring and collecting data and so forth. how long will this study take for all of us neophytes out there who don't really understand this process? >> well -- one of the things that's really been gratifying here at mayo clinic and really across health care in this country are the rapid collaborations that are really developing across the nation to deal with the covid crisis. in this instance, mayo clinic with dr. joyner, took a leading role really is a principal investigator to assemble a network across the country of places that can both identify patients that have antibodies and in-service plasma donors. and we worked in close collaboration. he has in particular with his colleagues with the fda to make sure we get emergency use or compassionate use to treat patients, so we are quite prepared actually. and luckily in this country we

have a very safe blood supply. we have a really reliable blood collection network both in hospitals as well as in the red cross, so we will be able to safely get the plasma and make it available would help quite soon, actually. >> laura: doctor, before we let you go, just one final question. there are a lot of physicians in different specialties who have brought up the fact that there is a care being put off or delayed either by the patient or of course by the provider saying maybe you should put that off with the patient saying, "i feel like it something in my side. i'm worried about it but i'm not going to go in, i don't want to get infected in the doctor's office or hospital." how concerned are you about that, that extension of problems from this covid? >> welcome here at mayo clinic we are really concerned. we are really in health care organizations -- we want to keep our centers as loosely -- as often as possible i should say

so we can care for covid patients and also prevent infection for the flip side is if you're feeling sick you need to contact her provider. we still are going to take care of people, we need to take care of people. we shouldn't be afraid to go to a health care center because you're experiencing symptoms, because we still need to care for those who really need it. every health care center and hospital in this country is still prepared to deal with urgent and semiurgent problems and we are actually all designing systems that will keep people safe when they come to our hospitals, including here at mayo. so that's one thing i would say for sure. anyone out there, if you feel like you need to see a doctor, you should contact her provider. >> laura: doctor, thank you so much, great to see you and kudos to everyone at mayo, what an amazing, amazing organization of medical experts. great to see you. and up next, china is trying to spin the covid-19 outbreak in their favor by spewing lies and propaganda, how unusual. and of course our media, some in our media gladly echo this. steve mosher is here to break it all down up next.

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♪ >> some states have had trouble with getting accurate death counts, particularly because of lack of testing -- >> use a death counts, i think they're pretty accurate on the death count. somebody dies, i think the states have been pretty accurate. i do say this, i think if you look at china and you look at some of these very large countries when you talk about cases, number of cases, i would be willing to bet they have more cases than we do, but they don't do the testing like we do. >> laura: well, and of course when china says we didn't have any new deaths or infections today, can we talk to my trust that? we can't trust the covid data coming out of china. they lied about it in the first place. we know the communist country has been suppressed and journalist trying to cover the outbreak they've been kicking them out of the country. that hasn't stopped nbc from echoing the official talking points from beijing. i've never seen anything like this. today the network tweeted "u.s.

reports 1264 coronavirus deaths and over 24 hours." meanwhile in china, where the pandemic broke out, not a single new coronavirus death was reported. joining me now, stephen mosher. steve, it's a very kind of crass way of saying this, i guess. or a brutal way of saying it, but why are so many in the media, especially nbc in this instance, so in the tank for china? >> yeah. i don't know why anyone takes china's epidemic numbers seriously. the chinese authorities have lied from the beginning of this outbreak. they don't just fudge the numbers, they make them up out of whole cloth. in wuhan they tell us that from the beginning to the end of epidemic in wuhan -- it's not over yet, by the way. the 2535 people died. i think the number is more like 50,000. let me tell you how i get that number. i get that number because the crematorium ovens were going for

60 days and we estimate there were disposing of about a thousand corpses a day. that's 60,000 people. and then on march 23rd, after the 60 day crematorium frenzy they began handing out funeral urns, 500 funeral urns a day to grieving relatives from seven crematorium -- that's 14 days. again, that's about 50,000. so you know, these are just -- you don't just add a few -- ten or 15 to the death toll. you actually add a couple zeros to the death toll. we are talking the same communist party that told us back on june 4th 1989 fed no one died in tiananmen square when we later found out that about 10,000 people were sacrificed. the same comment as part of that told us that no one died after the great leap forward famine when in fact 42 and a half million people died. so i don't know why anyone would take numbers out of china seriously. why would anyone try to make china look good in this way? >> laura: i want to get --

hold on. hold on, steve. this is a -- this is what a study that they did found. several fake twitter accounts tied to the chinese government posting disinformation. they track more than 10,000 suspected fake twitter accounts involved -- among those are the hacked accounts of users from around the world that now post propaganda disinformation about the corona opera, the hong kong protest and other topics of state interests. you think about how the media were so upset with russian meddling in our 2016 election. okay, it was russia, russia, russia. you hear almost nothing -- and this is propublica, which is not known as a conservative fact-checker. but there's almost no interest in hunting down or calling out china for what they're doing on

a pandemic -- there's still covering for them. again, i've never seen anything like it. >> and i mean, they're spending $10 billion on this campaign. what did the russians spend on it, $10,000? this is a massive effort on the part of china. it's not just twitter accounts, thousands and thousands. i saw the propublica report and then it died. it fell dead off the presses. who picked it up, who covered it? no one, as far as i know and yet every chinese embassy, every chinese media outlet, including the hong kong phoenix television, which was in the press conference yesterday with president trump, they're all touting the chinese -- the great chinese success in controlling the coronavirus epidemic. they haven't controlled it at all and they spread it around the world. >> laura: the best -- the best was when you got people like john harwood. we can't play it, but john harwood calling the president and authoritarian leader. these are the people who just parrot what the chinese

propagandists are saying. so they say, these putin's poodle. were member that about trump, putin's poodle. president xi's poodle. >> lapdog. >> laura: great to see you, you take care. coming up, aoc isn't letting this pandemic go to waste. dinesh d'souza joins us next to expose the latest inanity from her and others like her, next. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.

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♪ >> in the wake of this pandemic, right after the trump administration announced its public charge pool, which basically said if you are undocumented and seek public services, public health care, you will be essentially but on a fast track to either denial of citizenship or outright deportation. now that we have this pandemic, people are either afraid to go to hospitals out of the cost, or out of sheer fear that they will be put in the public charged list. >> laura: joined in and out as dinesh desousa, conservative commentator, author of the upcoming book, "united states and socialism." all right, so all the radicals have a lot more time on their hands. so it's institutional racism, it's trump doesn't like

immigrants, it's a whole litany of complaints. >> well, it's a little bit of a turnaround, isn't it, because when this first erupted, when this crisis first started and trump used the phrase "the chinese virus," there was a big leftist upward. how dare you call it a chinese virus. a virus it isn't ethnic. a virus can't be racist. just happened to originate in china. now we see a shift. suddenly there's an attempt -- by the way, aoc is not unique. this is going on with elizabeth warren, bill de blasio. kind of an attempt to sort of racialized controversy. attempt to make it a black and brown controversy. aoc uses this kind of gray phrase, the undocumented immigrant. an illegal alien is no more undocumented immigrant than someone who forcibly occupies my house as an undocumented owner. the problem is not the lack of documentation. if the unlawful occupation. so the issue here is that as a country we owe debts and

obligations to our fellow citizens, but not to others. and i think it's remarkable here that in a time -- it should be a time of national unity, we have this kind of attempt to kind of turn the tables, racialized the controversy, make the virus in effect racist and then call for >> laura: and andrea mitchell chimed in and said this. >> there were a number of people in red states early on who didn't heed the warnings to socially distance because they believed the president's false comments. >> laura: dinesh, heard a lot -- andrea mitchell has done some great reporting in her day. i've always respected -- her foreign policy, great over the years. but it's like, now it's the red state -- i thought the virus, again, didn't recognize ethnicity or state or political party, but now it is. >> well, i think this was an

attempt to try to imply that because there was so much disinformation coming out of trump himself and coming out of fox news, that somehow we would see massive casualties in the red states and of course the more educated and sophisticated blue states would not see this kind of problem. of course in reality it's been the opposite and in fact the overall statistics inc. trumpeted by people like andrew mitchell and others have proven to be wildly exaggerated. any crisis is going to fall unevenly to some degree. it falls more heavily on cities, which have more density. of course the coronavirus falls more heavily on men than women. >> laura: would cut a row. great you tonight. up next, a major programming announcement you don't want to miss. up next.

>> shannon: okay. tomorrow night you are not going to want to miss this because you will see my attorney general aty attorney general bill barr. a lot to ask about, concerns

about law and order during all of this chaos. you aren't going to want to miss any of it. shannon dream and all of the fox news at night team have all the latest. i can't wait to watch. i have my slippers on, shannon. but i'm not going to show them. >> shannon: i might have flip-flops on laura, but i'm not going to show them. >> laura: to take it away. >> shannon: wuhan, china, officially opening at midnight local time. the city lifting outbound travel restrictions for the first time since january 23rd. i'm a night light show served as tribute to the heroes in the battle against the coronavirus. this new develop meant coming amidst criticism of beijing and the information it's been releasing regarding the outbreak including the scrutiny of relationships with the world health organization. we investigate tonight as a growing number of lawmakers