night, i will have an exclusive interview, the head of the president's task force, vice president mike pence will be here. all the crucial updates in the battle against covid-19. as always, thank you for tuning in. we always seek the truth, we are not the media mob. let your heart not be troubled. laura ingraham, how are you? >> laura: hannity, great to see you. listening to the president on your show, it just reinforces this idea that he's someone who will work with anyone. these people have insulted him, they've accused him of all manner of wrongdoing, collusion. >> sean: i think he was nicer than you and i tonight. >> laura: it's amazing. i'm going to talk about some of that tonight. but he'll work with anyone because he wants america to heal. his critics won't give him that. but that's okay. i think the people see it. i like that. i like the fact that he's very optimistic and that's what we want. we want objective merit, but we

want optimism. >> sean: first we didn't do some of these things, first the travel ban, then the other bans, the quarantines. the number of deaths could've been 2.5 million americans. >> the the numbers in the new york hospital, we didn't expect this early. thank god. >> laura: hannity, great show as always. great to see you. >> sean: great show this week. >> laura: thanks so much. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle." we could be on the verge of a potential new breakthrough treating some of the most severe coronavirus cases. we are going live to the mayo clinic for all the details, fascinating. and aoc things president trump is using the pandemic to target certain groups of people -- i kid you not. dinesh d'souza, no one better than that to react. plus what a surprise. the left is adopting chinese

propaganda and pushing it. stephen mosher, the expert of experts on china, exposes it a all. this is america in the shutdown, day 22. it was just a few days ago that we were hearing very scary numbers like these. >> the number was 2.2 million people would've died, 2.2 million people would've died in a short period of time. >> as you saw on the slide, that was our real number. that 100,000 to 200,000. we think that is the range. >> how should americans be prepared for the likelihood that there will be 100,000 americans who die from this virus? >> yes, as sobering a number as that is, we should be prepared for it. >> it looks like those projections which drove the experts to recommend an aggressive shutdown of america, were wildly off base.

>> the head of the centers of disease control now says that u.s. coronavirus deaths could be much lower than 206,000 by some earlier models. >> originally the assumptions with fewer americans would keep their distance. >> laura: you all behaved so things were better. the final death counts today projected to be about 80,000 people, in other words, 30 times fewer than the high end being originally forecast, that you .2 million figure, and three times fewer than the 240,000 numbers. we know this country is experiencing experiencin excruciating loss, every life matters to every family due to whatever cost. it is worth asking, is it not, what would our response have

been and what our response have been less damaging to the economy, to the lives of all of you, millions of americans, if we had had more accurate models from the start? and should and this experience make us less willing to rely on the same experts to help determine when and how we should reopen our economy? meanwhile in europe, the leaders of norway, denmark, czech republic, and austria have announced plans to relax coronavirus locked on restrictions. norway will and its ban on families traveling to their holiday cottages on april 20th. other businesses will other to reopen too. denmark will press ahead with a cautious reopening beginning with day care and primary schools on april 15th, talks are underway to get their businesses up and running again as well. and more good news from germany, which has the third-largest outbreak in europe. they saw the number of daily recoveries recoveries outnumber a new covid cases on tuesday.

check out their new infections curve. looking much better. in france, the government there has decided to take away the one thing that people had left to keep them frankly saying by deciding to ban outdoor daytime. that seems totally nuts to me. i'm not an expert in these things. but exercise have so many health benefits that would seem to outweigh the risk that you would get coronavirus when you run or bypassed someone on a trail. i don't know. physical exertion even indoors can pose its own challenges. ♪ >> laura: and finally, you feel it, don't you? america is getting increasingly anxious about the shutdown. given the fact that the death rate for covid-19 may end up being only slightly worse than a very tough flu season, we want

answers. we want objective metrics for restarting things. >> this idea of reopening up the economy, it's not like there's a switch where you can turn it back on. how did the administration envision it happening? >> our first mission is to save lives beard but there is a dual track, the president has already initiated, some of the best minds in the white house are beginning to think about what recommendations will look like that we give to businesses, that we give to states. >> laura: well, a little vague, but what about parents and their children? are they ever going to go back to school? >> what do you think summer camp holds and the start of the next school year holds? >> it's unpredictable. you can get a feel for if we start talking about the things where the curve goes down there when we really have it at a minimum, how we respond and what kind of rebound we see or don't

see. >> laura: do you know what else is also going like this? retention of information. kids learning. that's a lot of parents, your emailing me and thank you, keep the emails coming, but the answers are murky. they don't give you a sense of what are we looking at here? remember. as much as we respect and admire all those on the front lines of our health care system, especially doctors, nurses, all the staff, we didn't vote for doctors. we didn't vote for modelers, statisticians, as brilliant as many of them can be, we voted for political leadership that sees the big picture. that means the whole picture of america we all know. we walk out the front door, life entails risk. the vulnerable need protection, especially the elderly and those with underlying conditions. and at the same time, freedom needs preserving. we cannot have our people denied the ability to make a living, go to school, attend worship

services, travel as they wish, see their friends. we need a realistic, objective metrics. we need clear protocols to give people peace of mind once we do restart our economy and reopen again. we want people to go back to restaurants and so forth. we want those businesses to not just survive but thrive again. otherwise we risk creating a new epidemic, one of continuing mass unemployment, depression, societal fallout, even a medical expert still can't proceed. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 22. america in shutdown. joining me now is steve moore, top 2016 economic advisor and author of "trump-economics." how can we get this country we

reopen? such respect for all these guys, a tough thing to try to balance here. but there seems to be a lack of objective metrics. we heard about the curve, we heard about the projections. but now we find out that the projections were wildly wrong. by not a factor of a few percent, but by a factor of 30 from the highs that were predicted. >> that's right, laura. i heard so many of the politicians say quite correctly that our first priority is to save lives. but i've got to tell you, loud and clear laura, the american economy, or $20 trillion economic engine, is in the intensive care unit right now. it's like it's on life support. you look at what's happening. when you talk about millions of businesses affected, i'm here to tell you that if we do not get this economy opened up in the next 4-6 weeks, you are going to see these businesses never come back.

they are going to be wiped out. they are now projections, lara, of unemployment in the united states, 40 or so million people, the 20% unemployment rate, that's worse, laura than in the depths of the great depression. by the way, this just doesn't affect the united states as you know. we are the epicenter of the entire world economy. when the u.s. economy falters like it is right now, and it's crippled, it's crippled because of the shutdown, it affects everyone in the whole world. you'd be right about this from the very start. people like you and me had been very criticized for even daring to say, hey, maybe it's time we start taking into account what we are doing to the economy. we have to do some spotting. >> laura: yeah, we've got to protect lives. but i believe one of the double phds at stanford, a guy that's not political, said last week or the week before, these are all

lies. there are lies on both sides here, and it's tough because we don't want anyone to die of any horrible illness. but we have to look at the long-term ability of the united states to remain a free country and we hope a prosperous country where people like thousands of employees can get up in the morning. that goes to you. people who were talking about restarting the economy are i guess demonized as uncaring. but i know, you paid for your first month of your employees, 40,000 employees, you cover their salaries even when you guys were shut down. how is this looking? >> you are exactly right, lara. stephen is right. the president is right. the president has the right instinct that we have to go back to work. the damage to the economy is exponentially bigger each day. just like the modeling for the

coronavirus, which was exponential. if we do not move fast and decisively with the whole plan, the plan has to include how you are going to fight the virus. we have two wars, the virus and the collapse of the economy. it's like a wheel with spokes. you have to think about all the spokes simultaneously. but just like steve said, just like you been trying to say over and over and over, in the next six weeks, you're going to see the impact of the shutdown kill more people from depression, more people from starvation, young people -- i mean, it won't stop if you don't have enough money for your own basics, you aren't going to give money away. we really have to balance this thing. we need a target date, i call it a d date. we have to have a day. this is really important. all the boardrooms, the productively in the u.s. right

now is completely collapsed. i can't -- no boardroom, no other ceo can make any plans on how to even restart. without having a date. a deadline is critical. had my team five years -- really important, five years we've been planning to be digitally capable for our members. we shut down and take ten days, we have additional platforms up and running. we need that money. drugs can get ready, everything can get ready. >> that should be made first. day one. we shouldn't fly from that. did you see what happened this today, laura? mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, said we need more money after the bill we passed last week, we are spending money like it's candy in washington like hershey's kisses, we are up to $2.5 trillion. they want to spend another $2.2 trillion, and says we might

need another 2.2 trillion above that. this is going to bankrupt our country and all the money we are spending, that's not going to solve the problem that this gentleman is talking about! >> laura: it's a tourniquet. >> you just can't spend that money to bathe these businesses. >> laura: i was listening to someone, maybe it was on fox business, the idea that we can spend our way out of this. the president knows we can't do that. we can't spend our way out of it. we can help people and needs to help people, but we've got to get the engine of this economy moving again and what we are seeing now are all these former obama administration officials and some former bush ministers and officials saying, we've got to be very careful. we obviously do not want to have another spike, but they are not looking at the broader population of america. if we start listening to the former obamacare architects and wait until the late fall, let's

play the sound bite so you know what i'm talking about. >> realistically, covid-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. we will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications. how are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? is all that economic payment all that worth to stop covid-19? the truth is we have no choice. >> laura: your 40,000 employees, where did they go to get zeke manual where they button down, all perfect. >> that such a bad sound bite. >> laura: it's an embarrassment. >> it's such a thoughtless statement. let me say it like steve said. economy is like the blood flow. how fast how the money is moving around in our economy.

it has completely slowed down. parts of your body are going to go to sleep and thought. every week is critically more dangerous. so we need to have a plan. we've been fighting viruses for thousands of years. they've been around. we have not given to the fear of the virus. the fear of the virus is going to kill so many more people than the virus itself. we have to have a plan to go back to work without fear. i can suggest concepts on how we can do that. >> laura: we'll have to save that for another time. we will stay on this, we'll have you both back. we will obviously be talking about this poor lord knows how long. but thank you very much for both your thoughts. everyone wants to get back to work and one republican senator says he has a way to do this. at what cost? republican senator bill cassidy things we need an online

immunity registry. he joins me now. senator, what information will be included in this registry? any time we hear a government registry, we all, a little chill goes down our spine. what will this be, could it be achieved in a reasonable amount of time, scaled up fast, and how would it work? >> yes. we've been living with immunity registry since the 1990s. whenever a child is backdated from birth firm hepatitis c, in general, it's online, when she enters college, medical school, law enforcement when he five years later, you pull it down from here is my record, you don't have to get revaccinated. we've been living with these first quite some time and they are hipaa protected. you want some evidence of a person's immunity so they can go back to work. knowing she is immune, want have to wear protective treatment promote wants to get infected,

not going to get in other people. you can imagine how that keeps going out. allowing them for your access to the economy, if you will, in a way which follows them if they need to do, they can pull it down and give it to the next employer and then they are okay. >> laura: we don't know how many people are confused about this there are more people in california that developed some immunity before the viruses circulating on the west coast longer than on the east coast. they shut down obviously a little better as well. what about the people who are young who are pretty good health, why couldn't they go back to work right away too? if they stay sick, they got to go home. they can go around the elderly people. they can go around the immunocompromised. >> the younger people, they

almost very rarely unless you have underlying health conditions, to get really sick from covid-19, but they can get infected and spread it to other people. so much so that they may have no symptoms whatsoever, give their grandma or grandpa a kiss, spread the infection to them, the grandma and grandpa never knows they are infected. the administration is planning on widespread what's called zero surveillance. checking people to see if they previously had been exposed to the coronavirus. if you have that, i am now immune. i never knew i was infected. i'm immune! >> laura: senator, here's the problem. we do not know how long immunity lasts. it could last a few weeks, two years. we don't really have the information yet, correct? >> the scientific community is clearly anticipating that the immunity is going to last at least until a vaccine has developed.

evidence from other coronavirus is and kind of the operating principle behind people coming up with antibodies that provide immunity, at least for several months. so we don't know for sure. there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that immunity is going to last for a while. >> laura: here's my concern. if you only have 10% of the country, 15% of the country who have already developed an immunity to this, that's not enough to get this economy back. i mean, you have to have a process for getting people who are young, with no underlying health conditions that can get into that economy and get back to work, and again until we get a better handle on things, keep your distance from people that separation of however many feet we need so that the elderly and the other vulnerable people aren't hurt and all of this. we've got to figure out a way to get people back to work that can't be just the people who have immunity. that's not enough people, senator. >> laura, you just put it

perfectly. children classically spread disease among each other and give it to the old people, people like me. if you have folks back in school, they will become immune, the children are, as long as you are periodically monitoring when they become immune, then you can free the children to have normal interaction they would have at their grandparents. you start building up that herd immunity just by allowing younger people to resume their lives, but do serial testing to protect the older people that need to know who is immune. >> laura: this is fascinating. we can't wait to see where this goes and we certainly hope for . and coming up, some states are flattening that curve faster than the experts predicted. well, my medicine cabinet has some answers. plus, the mayo clinic invgettinl treatment for the virus. we will go straight to them for all the details. you don't want to miss this. stay there.

♪ >> a woman last night, i watched her on one of the shows, good >> a woman last night. i watched her on one of the shows, laura, she thought she was dead. she was a representative from michigan. she was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days.

she saw me talking about this. she asked her husband to go to the drugstore. he got it, give it to her. you know, doesn't work like this anymore. four hours later, she awoke and she said i feel better. then shortly thereafter, she felt great. laura: that was president trump talking about the democrat state rep from michigan we had on last night who credits hydroxychloroquine and the president was saving her life. said the drug eliminated her covid systems in a few hours. i suppose those doctors on cnn and msnbc, calling that anecdotal evidence. joining me now is my medical cabinet dr. steven smith for infectious diseases and dr. smith, great to see you. i know you've been busy today, all your doctors have been busy treating covid patients. how much anecdotal evidence will

it take to convince the naysayers? >> i was talking about this with another physician. we would say that this is proof that the drug works because it's a collection of pretty similar anecdotal sources, and patient responds really in both categories. in which case it's anecdotal. i don't know, i don't get it. i don't know the difference in how they treat hydroxychloroquine, makes no sense for me at all. of course this drug works. we should be using it more and more. >> will get back to the prophylactic nature of this in a second. this is what cnn's dr. and giving patients hydroxychloroquine. watch. >> there are potential side

effects. i don't know how significant the side effects would be because we aren't even sure what kind of dosing we are talking about, how long patients would get these medications. that's why you study it. you can't diminish the side effects because you don't even know exactly what we are talking about here. >> laura: you are just kind of laughing at all of us and the physicians across the country and across the globe like dr. smith who is prescribing it. >> dr. group does simply doesn't know what he's talking about. this is a drug that's been around for 60 years. we give it to children, we give its women who are good with no birth defects. we used to use it quite frequently in malaria, but we stopped not because of side effects, we stop simply because we developed a resistance. the data on retinol it shows is a low dose that we use for

prophylaxis. less than 2% over ten years. the ekg which obviously a cardiologist that i'm very familiar with, or almost nonexistence. the dosing that is very basic, which is a five day course of hydroxychloroquine -- >> five, and zinc, is less than $20 in the tories lee safe. this is to be used under doctor supervision. why he compatible it's about this? i will never know. >> laura: went on a tear on this network. >> said to me people to promoting this drug, in any situation, there will always be people who promote one kind of quack tincture or another. very best, this drug will have a

very mild effect on changing the course of the disease if it has any effect at all. >> laura: quackery, dr. smith! that's what he is calling, basically. >> i've called other doctors quacks but i've never been called one. i'm stunned. the scientific evidence is robust. the safety data is unbelievable. people arguing that we shouldn't give hydroxychloroquine hydroxychloroquine out for prophylactic because the lupus patients couldn't get it, they are saying it's not safe. is it not safe or should lupus patients get it. it could be both. of course it's safe. of course lupus patients do better on it. our patients do better on it. look at the data, that's all i'm saying. talk about risk factors for severe diseases, you talk about steroid use, using some drugs like ibuprofen or other drugs, that's the same sort of data

they are looking at. it's observational data. it's okay to make an association for the drug, then what is that come? the drug with a better outcome, that's not okay. that kind of ecological approach has no place in medicine or science. >> laura: it's completely disgusting and you have to think at some point, it's only because president trump brought it up. he brings it up. he says this guy is not blue. down is down, no, it's up. so patently obvious to me. you guys are doctors, don't have to think this way. but i've been in this town for way too long. but i see right through their motive and is patently obvious to me that they have something that works in large percentage of cases and they are like, no, it can't work yet. it's insane. really quickly, on disproportionate effects on the

african-american community, dr. felt she dr. dr. fauci said to this today. i want you to listen to what he said and respond on the other side. >> when they do get infected, there are underlying medical conditions, diabetes, hypertension, the obesity, the asthma. those are the kind of things that wind them up in the icu and give them a higher death rate. >> laura: is that correct? hypertension, diabetes. i know dr. smith has spoken on this. >> i think he has some excellent data which you'll publish soon but he's right. a higher proportion of hypertension, higher burden of prediabetes, metabolic syndrome, and type 2 diabetes in that population. what i also worry about is that people are not coming to a hospital as early as possible to get treated. clearly the literature shows if

they are concerned using both together, clearly steve can speak to this that the sooner you get this treated earlier in the disease process, it's better. whether there is an issue of them coming to the hospital soon enough to get the most benefits in this treatment. >> laura: dr. smith, almost out of time. the earlier the intervention, the better, and that goes to the prophylaxis preventative as well? >> of course. many infections that we have a therapy for, the earlier the better. that's been shown from a don't know any infection or that's been shown. >> well put. >> that's just anecdotal evidence. both of you with all your experience, all about the

quackery. >> i will talk to you later. >> laura: great to see you, guys. sorry there is the delay with skype. great to see with you both. a brand-new trial started this week focusing specifically on some of the more severe and life-threatening covid-19 cases. the mayo clinic using plasma from patients already recovered from the virus and giving it to those who desperately need it. joining me now is bill moyes, how was plasma recovered from recovered patients going for help, that's the old school way of doing things, is it not? >> first of all, good evening, laura. it's a pleasure to be here. it's a standard of care that's been around for a long time in terms of taking plasma from someone that has recovered from an inspection and using it to treat those suffering from a

disease. in the laboratory, we've been focused on not just the molecular testing which detects the presence of the virus itself, but the flood test with the antibodies with the logic test so we can find people who have developed antibodies, so number one to identify health care workers who have been exposed that might potentially be immune so they can get back to work. number two, to find people who can be potential plasma donors for this program you are speaking of. last but not least get a vaccine so the next generation of therapy you are alluding to will use these tests to find out if people are developing antibodies for what we expect and they're forgetting the immunity that we hope for her for vaccine trial. >> laura: sorry, dr. period i was talking to a doctor and an epidemiologist involved in basel, switzerland, this is what i do with my time now. he said they had only started to work on three patients with this

plasma treatment. and they are in the process of monitoring and collecting data and so forth. how long will this study take for all of us neophytes out there who don't really understand this process? >> one of the things that's really been gratifying here at mayo clinic and across health care in this country are the rapid collaborations across this nation to deal with the h1n1 crisis of places that can both identify patients who have the antibodies and service plasma donors and we work in close collaboration, has particular with the fda to make sure we get emergency use or compassionate use to the street patients. we are quite prepared, actually and luckily in this country we have a very safe drug supply, we have a really reliable

collection, of networks both in hospitals and both in the red cross so will be able to safely get the plasma and make it available. we hope quite soon, actually. >> laura: just one final question. a lot of positions in different specialties who brought up the fact that there is care being put off or delayed either by the patient or by the provider, maybe you should put that off where the patient saying, oh, i feel like it's something in my side. i'm worried about it but i don't want to go in, i don't want to get infected in a doctor's office or hospital. how concerned are you about that, that extension of problems from covid? >> here at the mayo clinic, we are really concerned. we want to help organizations, we want to keep them as open as possible so we can care for covid infections. but if you are feeling sick, you

need to contact your provider. we need to take care of people, shouldn't be afraid to go to a health care center because you're experiencing systems because we need to deal with people who need it. every health care center in hospital in this country is prepared to deal with urgent problems and we are all designing systems that will keep people safe when they come to a hospital, including here at mayo. it's one i would say for sure, and he went out there you feel like you need to see a doctor to contact your provider. >> laura: thank you so much. great to see you and kudos to everybody at mayo, one of the amazing amazing organizations with medical experts. great to see. and up next, china is trying to spin the covid-19 outbreak by spewing lies. some in our media gladly echo this. steve mosher is here to break it down up next. or make me feel like i'm not really "there."

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>> live from america's muse headquarters, i may need. president trump removing the inspector general tasked with monitoring the glen fein had been elected by a panel of inspector general's to provide oversight to the $2 trillion being attributed. for the time being come president trump has appointed sean o'donnell to the role. another shake-up, this one from the act of tearing down the acting's secretary of the navy. stepping down from the role after criticizing calling out the captain brett crozier stupid to the captain's former crew. had sent a memo threatening about this threat of coronavirus on the ship, a memo leaked to the public. apologize to crozier for any "any pain my remarks may have caused." i'm anita vogel. now let's take you back to "the ingraham angle."

>> some states have had trouble getting accurate death counts because of lack of testing. >> i think they are pretty accurate on the death count. somebody dies, the states have been pretty accurate. i will say this, if you look at china and look at some of these very large countries, when you talk about cases, number of cases, i would be willing to bet they have more cases than we do. but they don't do the testing like we do. >> laura: when china says we didn't have any new debts or infections, we can translate the covid data coming out of china. we know the communist country has been suppressing journalist trying to cover the outbreak. that has is not stopped nbc from echoing the official talking points from beijing. today, the network tweeted "u.s. reports 1264 carina spira's deaths. meanwhile in china, where the pandemic broke out, not a single

new coronavirus death was reported." joining me now is steven mosher, author of "bully of asia." a really crass way of saying this, a brutal way of saying it. but why are so many people in the media, especially nbc in this instance, in the tank for china? >> i don't know why anyone takes epidemic numbers seriously. light from the beginning of the outbreak there they don't just fudge the numbers, they make them ou up from whole cloth. they tell us from the beginning of the end of the epidemic, wuhan is not over yet, by the way, i think the number is more like 50,000. let me tell you how i get that number. i get that number because the crematoria ovens going for 60 days, and we estimate they were disposing about a thousand corpses per day, that 60,000 people.

march 23rd, after the 60 day crematorium frenzy, they began handing out funeral urns, 500 funeral urns per day to grieving relatives from seven crematori crematoriums. that's up from 50,000. you don't just add a few ten or 15 to the death total. you actually add a couple of zeros to the death toll. we are talking about the same communist party that told us on june 4th, 1989, that no one died in cinnamon square where we found out about 10,000 people were sacrificed. the same communist party that said no one died when in fact 42.5 million people died he and i don't know why anyone would take numbers out of china seriously. why wouldn't anyone try to make china look good in this way. >> laura: hold on, stephen. this is what propublica, a study

that they found it done. seven fake twitter accounts tied to the china government posting this information. they track more than 10,000 suspected fake twitter accounts, coordinated in an influence campaign. among those, a hacked account that now pose propaganda, information about the chronic outbreak coronaoutbreak. think about how the media were so obsessed with russian meddling in our 2016 election. it was russia, russia, russia. you hear almost nothing. this is propublica which is not known as a conservative fact-checker. there is almost no interest in hunting down or calling out china for what they are doing on a pandemic, steve. they are still calling out!

>> they are spending $10 billion on the campaign. what did the russians spend on it. $10,000? this is a massive effort on the part of china. not just a few quitter twitter accounts.i saw the propd it died. who picked it up to him who covered it? no one as far as i know. every chinese embassy, every media outlet including the hong kong phoenix television which was in the press conference yesterday with president trump, they are all touting chinese, the great chinese success in controlling the coronavirus epidemic when they have not controlled it at all at it spreading around the world. >> laura: the best is when you have people like john harwood calling the president and authoritarian later, okay? these are the people who just parrot what the chinese propagandists are saying. so they say, well, he's putin's

poodle. remember that? what, they are xi's poodle. >> xi's lapdog. >> laura: aoc is not letting this pandemic go to waste. dinesh d'souza joins us next to expose the latest inanity from hers and other like her next. these days you need faster internet that does all you

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♪ >> in the wake of >> in the wake of this pandemic, right after the trump administration announced its public charge rule which basically said if you are undocumented and seek public services, public health care, you will be essentially put on a fast track to either denial of citizenship or outright deportation. now that we have this pandemic, people are either afraid to go to hospitals out of the cost or out of sheer fear that they will be put in a public charge list. >> laura: joining me now is dinesh d'souza, conservative commentator, author of the upcoming book "united states of socialism." the next to, a lot of articles of a lot more time on their hano it's institutional racism, trump does not like immigrants, it's the whole litany of complaints.

>> it's a little bit of a turnaround, isn't it, because when this first erupted, when the crisis first started and trump use the phrase "the chinese by risk," there was a big leftist uproar. how dare you call it the chinese virus, a virus can't be at the neck. it originated in china. now we see a ship. suddenly -- aoc is not unique. this is going with elizabeth warren, bill de blasio, an attempt to ration what is controversially the controversy, aocuses this ge undocumented immigrant. an illegal alien is no more than an undocumented immigrant than someone who for it's not the lack of documentation, it's the unlawful occupation. the issue here is as a country we owe debts and obligations to our fellow citizens. but not to others. it's remarkable here that what

should be a time of national unity, we have this kind of attempt to turn the tables, racialized the controversy, make the virus in effect racist, and call for a racially tailored. >> laura: and andrea mitchell time chimed in and said this. >> a number of people in red states barely on who didn't heed the warnings to socially distance because they believe the president's false comments. >> laura: dinesh, you heard a lot. andrea mitchell has always done some great reporting and her days. her foreign policy is great over the years. now it's the red states -- i thought the virus again didn't recognize at the city or state or political party, but now it is. >> well, i think this was an attempt to imply that there because there was so much disinformation coming out of

trump himself and the coming out of fox news, that somehow we would see massive casualties in the red states. of course, the more educated and sophisticate a blue states would not see this kind of problem. of course in reality it's been the opposite. in fact, the overall statistics being comforted by people like andrea mitchell and others have proven to be wildly exaggerated. any crisis is going to fall and leave and leave to some degree. falls on heavily to cities, more density, the coronavirus falls more heavily on men than women. >> laura: we got to roll. great to see you tonight. up next, major programming announcement. you don't want to miss it. up next.

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covid-19 chaos, civil liberties, you will not want to miss any of it. shannon bream in the fox news at night team have all the latest and have a great show on tap and i can't wait to watch, got my slippers on but i'm not going to show them. >> i might have flip-flops on myself, thanks so much. the city where it all started, wuhan, officially reopening at midnight local time, the city lifting outbound travel restrictions for the first time since january 20 third. of the night light show, honoring the heroes in the battle against coronavirus. beijing information regarding the outbreak including the relationship with the world health organization. we investigate the ties tonight as