>> martha: that is it "the story" of april 8th, 2020. i will see you tomorrow night at seven and tucker carlson is up next alive from washington. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the headline new coronavirus cases appear to be slowing down in this country, that is very good news. but deaths at the same time are still rising. today in fact is the deadliest day so far. trace gallagher joins us with the very latest numbers from around the country. i speak of the numbers are horrifying but sadly also expected. the coronavirus task force has worn for days of this will be the country's most difficult week and that is bearing out. the u.s. death tolls today and yesterday are the highest of any country at any time during this

pandemic. today dr. deborah birx said this about emerging hot spots. watch. >> we are concerned about the metro area of washington and baltimore and we are concerned about the philadelphia area. >> philadelphia. it's interesting that while tom wolf embraced dr. birx's warning, his numbers paint a much brighter picture in the number of cases ended deaths in pennsylvania today are down from yesterday. but projections about the d.c., maryland and virginia region become a hot spot appeared to be supported by the numbers from yesterday to today, the area has seen a fairly significant increase in both new cases and deaths. in fact, maryland, and most of this is coming from the baltimore area, has now seen its three deadliest days of the outbreak. finally california is continuing its trend of flattening the curve with the number of cases

and deaths being very study or one solid week now and louisiana, which has been a hot spot, did see its numbers come down today. tucker? >> tucker: interesting patchwork. trace gallagher, thanks for that. there's been so much going on recently it's easy to forget it but there still a presidential campaign going on. until a few hours ago the democratic primaries were still in progress. but now it's done, at least officially. this morning bernie sanders dropped out of the race. >> we are now 300 delegates behind vice president biden and of the path toward victory is virtually impossible. so today i'm announcing the suspension of my campaign. >> tucker: so that's it for sanders. he 78 years old and will never be the president but he did leave his mark. for two cycles in a row bernie sanders evoked panic at the highest levels at the dnc. twice in a row democratic party leaders spanish to crush him and

they did that despite the fact that they had a large and passionate following despite the fact of a largely populist message. the dnc of meanwhile is ossified and corrupt and cares not at all about the actual lives of its voters. so how did they manage to beat him twice? they couldn't have done it without sanders' help. sanders never wanted to win, like so many ideologues he wanted to lose, it makes him feel virtuous. in 2016, he didn't go after the grotesque scam that was the clinton foundation until it was far too late to matter. this year he disavowed one of his own supporters for criticizing joe biden and then floyd lee praised biden's character. then sanders stopped by like an embarrassed child is elizabeth warren on cnn attacked him as a sexist. after a while the voters began to wonder the obvious. the democratic party isn't bad enough for sanders to attack it and why do we need a revolution? sanders never answer that question and now he never will because underneath it all he was

a party man to the core always. sad. all of which means joe biden is now the presumptive democratic nominee. no one really chose biden for this job, he wound up in it by a series of defaults and it shows. ask yourself, is joe biden ready to leave this country? could he find his car in a three-tiered parking garage? could he navigate a salad bar? and by the way, what exactly is his position on the coronavirus pandemic? those are the mysteries democrats now face. biden has been virtually invisible for the last month. that's not an accident. jojoe biden on camera means more moments like this. >> we've never allowed any crisis from the civil war all through the pandemic of 1716, we have never, ever let our democracies same second fiddle. we can have both a democracy and elections are not the same time protect the public health.

>> tucker: did you follow that? correct the public health. it's hard to imagine a man like that making it all the way through a democratic debate or even staying awake. it's likely the democratic leaders will find a way to replace biden. whatever happens, it's worth taking joe biden seriously for this moment. now that he is officially in a sense the nominee. biden was first elected to the senate and that was richard nixon opening to china from the west. as i grew much more obvious over the decades, biden seemed to grow much more accommodating to the chinese government. in 2,000 the u.s. and china trade relations act gave china trade status. rosemary dixon details how that piece of legislation open the floodgates for chinese drug imports. within three years of the bill passing america lost its last aspirin factory and its less

vitamin c facility and last penicillin plant. our ability to make critically vital antibiotics in the city vanished. that was a blow towards national security. and yet joe biden voted for that bill. went on to oppose him and that's two at the put pressure on china to stop forced abortions. a year later in 2011, joe biden still didn't see the threat. that year he said, a rising china is a positive development of not only for china but for america. the day that biden gave that speech, millions of americans have lost their jobs. chinese students were already flooding america's schools and research labs and crowding out americans, and that will boost the economy larger than it stands today. biden said that but it wasn't the only time he did. here was up biden last may on the campaign trail. >> china is going to eat our lunch. come on, man. they are not bad folks, but they

are not in competition for us. speed limit just two months ago, when it was already clear to everyone that was watching that china had lied to the world in ways that hurt the world, biden was still flocking for the chinese government. watch this. >> we have right now a crisis with the coronavirus and from china. this is where the credibility of the president is most needed as he explains what h we should and should not do. this is no time for donald trump's record of hysteria -- historical xenophobia and fearmongering to lead the way, instead of scien science. >> tucker: xenophobia, it seems almost antique. why? because in a moment like this, a

moment of national crisis, irrelevant issues tend to recede. you probably heard recently about how america is racist and we need reparations for slavery and nonbinary signs in men's restroom stalls. it all seems frivolous now and moments like this are the big things. at the top of this list, who should lead at going forward. dana perino posted daily briefing. we are always happy to have her. thanks so much for coming on for real break. so bernie sanders is getting out. where does that leave the democratic party, do you think? >> dana: it bernie sanders over time showed he had about a third of the democratic party support. so if you look at the numbers, that's where they basically came out. and that's not nothing, it's not enough to get you to the nomination but it was enough to

pull the entire democratic party to the left. i think you are absolutely right and i'm glad to hear you say it because i think one of the headlines out of this is that bernie sanders is never going to be president. he has ran several times but now after this effort today when he says i'm dropping out, he's not going to be president. but he did leave an ideological mark on the party and i think it remains to be seen, if democrats are going to actually be able to win in the united states with some of the positions they've been forced to take because of bernie sanders for fervent base that pulled them in that direction. >> tucker: i just have to wonder and i'm very aware that there is no systematic way to pull this off but i've got to believe that democratic leaders, fund-raisers for example, we'll look at biden and say, we have to have to be incumbent, we can't do it with this guy, let's make a change. i'm interested in your view on that. >> dana: what i think, i mean

you could do it, they could figure that out and stop somebody and if they wanted to, i thought it was interesting today, tom bredon writes this piece today that joe biden should come out now and talk about this in amazing unity cabinet that he would put together. and it's like this dream team but i thought it was pretty funny. he had alexandria ocasio-cortez as the ambassador to the united nations on his list. the reason i thought it was interesting that tom friedman rode that is i think it shows that they know that joe biden is a pretty weak candidate because if you have to resort to tricks like announcing a unity cabinet in may of an election year because there's not enough enthusiasm for your campaign, that's pretty bad. also tucker, watch for this. the campaigns are due to report their first quarter fund-raising numbers. i have to imagine that they are not going to be great for the democrats this time around. >> tucker: it's so you are an amateur presidential historian i

would say. is there a winning president in history -- >> dana: very immature. >> tucker: well i guess we all want our [laughs] but can you think of anyone who ran on, it ladies and gentlemen at the secretary of commerce. has that worked? >> dana: no. actually, i am a very amateur presidential historian but i can assure you that that has never worked. but the other thing is biden is in a real bind. if he comes after the president too hard right now it's going to look like he's attacking the commander in chief and the time of a crisis and if he routes too hard against president trump winning it looks like he wants a country to fail. i liken it to come up during hurricane sandy, that happened in october right for the election and mitt romney, what was he supposed to do? anything he said it looked crass for way too personal or political and he was kind of in a tough spot. now the timing of this is much

bigger obviously, it's global but really affecting our country. it's five months or so before the election and there's not that much time to figure out how you want to lead the country. except for he tried another check today. biden said this week he will start to narrow down his choices for the vice presidential candidates. but again, a vice presidential candidate is not what really wins the election. >> tucker: noel. that's what we call intellivision stunt casting. your ratings are in free fall so you bring in a great a block guest or a guest host. so i just have to ask you, i can't resist. what exactly are the hiring criteria for "new york times" columnists? do we have the numbers on that? how often do you have to be wrong in order to get the job, do we know? >> dana: it's so funny you say that. earlier today chris stirewalt and i recorded the "i'll tell you what" podcast.

and he said the same thing except more bluntly and he said that columnist had never once been right and he didn't understand why anyone was continuing to listen to him but i still liked the fact that they write this, basically because they think biden is going to need a lot of reinforcements to take the fight to donald trump. it's feeling you have to give them credit for bravery. if i was not wrong, i would retire. i'd move to paraguay and shame but that's just me. dana perino, great to see you. >> dana: bye. >> tucker: the news has been so grim, it's almost nice to talk about politics for months. dr. marc siegel has been an almost daily feature on this program since the outbreak began and last night he told us just briefly about what his own father is going through right now. >> tucker. i want to tell you about a 96-year-old man in florida who said one night, i don't think i'm going to make it. i feel very weak, the end is coming. i'm coughing, i'm short of breath, i can't get up from the

couch. the next day he was on hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics per his cardiologist and the next day he was fine. this man is my father. spiel and adjusting an oath this show is not scripted, we had no idea that dr. siegel was going to say that. we were up against a heart break and we had to cut them off right there but thankfully he's back tonight. i've been thinking about this for the last 24 hours before i cut you off almost in midsentence when you announced -- i don't know if you can hear me, i hope you can. you announced -- >> no, i'm hearing him. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm sorry to laugh but one of the casualties as we are feeling our way through the technical aspects of television from living room to living room. perhaps you can hear me now. last night, we cut you off when

you were telling us about your father who at 96 is a patient receiving hydroxychloroquine. he said it made a difference and we didn't have time to follow-up on that so i wonder if you would now. >> tucker, the issue is not just that he was near death and the medicine appear to help them recover rapidly. it was also the issue of self quarantine with my mother there and no aid that could come in and how they were going to get fluid delivered and how they were going to be taken care of and how they were going to take care of themselves. that made me think about other elderly people in that condition in that situation and coincidentally since then i have had patience call in relative say, my mother's alone, how do i care for her, how do i treat her? i've also been accelerating my own telemedicine visits with elderly people and we have that via computer where i can connect up with an elderly person and my

staff has been teaching them how to use it online. i can assess them. i can see if they are sad come up with their eyes look like. i can check their breathing. i can see if they are sweating, i can look at their legs for swelling. i can figure out, how are they getting food, are they getting out for food or his food coming to them, are they having it delivered? perhaps most importantly, not just in my interacting with them, refilling their medications and making they have enough on hand to come and if they have an apple watch i can even assess their heart, and again, i can even assess their breathing, oxygenation. but i need to know that family members are paying attention to the social isolation that's going on with the elderly. are they visiting? even just looking in the window. nursing homes are not allowing visitors right now. are you going to the nursing home and trying to see at least crm family member through the window. very important that you called him twice a day if you use to

call them once a day. right now we need our elderly not to be disenfranchised and isolated. >> tucker: that such wonderful advice and a great reminder and nothing is truer than not. solitude hurts people. dr. siegel, great to see you. >> it's a most important problem now, thank you, tucker. >> tucker: amen. while at this point the fight against coronavirus seems to goe going better than we thought. have you heard that anywhere? did you see that in the headline? no. why is that exactly? we will tell you what the state of the fight is and the state of the response to the fight. plus, a company says it has a new antibody test that could accelerate this country's economic comeback. this is just ahead. he's a goo♪ you doing okay?

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♪ >> tucker: a couple of weeks ago on march 25th the researcher from the university of massachusetts conducted an interesting survey. he reached out to the epidemiologist and public health experts and asked, how many americans will die from this outbreak of the coronavirus? the average estimate he got back was 245,000 people. that's it so happened that almost matched exactly the production from the institute of medicine washington. as recently as yesterday you heard some authorities site though some numbers effectively in public, hundreds of thousands will die. this morning the ih mee issued new numbers.

they now predict 60,000 deaths in this country by august 4th which is one quarter of the original projection. numbers for individual states have changed as well. in virginia for example which is currently suffering under a lockdown until june the model now predicts a total of 891 deaths statewide. just a week ago the ih mee addicted 3,073 deaths which is more than three times what they are now saying. at this point we should not surprise the model got it wrong. the prediction of how many hospital beds we'd need turned out to be completely disconnected from reality and that matters quite a bit because those numbers were the main justification for the lockdown. remember our efforts to flatten the curve? they weren't crazy, there was a good reason for doing that. we didn't want our health system to collapse under a flood of new coronavirus patients. so far it has not collapsed but not because we prepared effectively, we didn't really. there were just far fewer people that needed inpatient medical

treatment. the model predicted that on april 4th new york would need 65,000 hospital beds and the actual number was 16,000. you are hearing people now say that the spread between prediction and reality must be due two social distancing but that's not true. social distancing measures were factored into the model from the beginning. it turned out to be four times larger but something else skewed the numbers. at the same time the ih and e has been more accurate on deaf totals. in some cases they have been significantly overstated the knot by 400%. the ih and we announce at 65,000 people americans will die by the time the virus ends. for perspective we will read you know a series of numbers. some people may be offended to hear this but there's no reason to be.

accurate statistics are not offensive. they are part of reality and reality should always be the baseline from which we make important decisions even if we ourselves have made other predictions in the past, even if we are embarrassed to admit what we now know. we should do it anyway because ego doesn't matter at a time like this. the truth matters. so here are a few numbers. an estimated 60,000 americans will die from the coronavirus. according to the cdc in 2018, 61,000 americans died of the annual flu. that same year more than 67,000 died from drug overdoses. nearly 50,000 died from suicide. about 88,000 americans died from alcohol abuse. 83,000 died from diabetes. more than 606,000 died from cancer. it could go on. but for now let's look at two of those numbers, overdoses and suicides, both by the way disproportionately kill young people. let's say the death projections were too low for the sake of argument in this would be the

first time that happened. but again just for the sake of the exercise, let's assume the real number is twice as bait. it's 120,000, that's how many americans will die in the outbreak. if that's true that would still be around as many people that have died from overdoses and suicides. both of which our leaders essentially ignore. deaths like those are not considered a government problem. the last several weeks, protecting ourselves against the wuhan coronavirus, which is dangerous and scary, we thrown an estimated 17 million people out of work. we've spent more than $2 trillion in borrowed money and that's just the response so far. we are not going to tell you that what our leaders have done in the last month as disproportionate, you can decide that for yourself but it's definitely something to think about going forward because again, reality matters. even if it embarrasses us to admit it. many politicians who don't seem to be thinking about it. in the face of improving

numbers, new jersey governor phil murphy announced his state would "if anything titan as opposed to loosen lockdown restrictions." statements like that make you wonder what's really going on. his public health the only consideration for these people? maybe not. here is a zq manual has not only an academic but also a longtime political hack explaining on msnbc this morning that america must remain in its current state for a year and a half. now keep in mind, almost the very moment that zq manual said this, the ih me was revising its total death rate down to 60,000. >> i do think we will return to what we think is normal, the sort of precovid-19 situation only with a vaccine or some very effective preventative that everyone can take. that is 18 months away and we need to keep very, very clear about that. we are not getting that around the corner. >> tucker: you want to give

everyone in this country the benefit of the doubt in the middle of a crisis but honestly, you have to wonder what motivates people to say things like what you just heard? if you are sincerely trying to help the country would be focused on effective medical treatments for this disease. a drug that saved even half of patients heading towards death with change the landscape immediately and forever. in a situation like this, science is our hope. so you think our media would be following every medical advance at least as closely as we follow the final four. but no, they are doing just the opposite. they are ignoring promising treatments in favor of promoting ever more impressive social controls. why are they doing that? in the case of the drug hydroxychloroquine which doctors are giving right now to thousands of coronavirus patients, reporters who have no grounding in science are telling us that it's unproven and risky apparently in contrast to everything else we are doing. >> dr. fauci is saying those studies are not scientific and

chloroquine also carries cardiovascular risks. for the continues to endorse drug. >> what do you have to loose? >> will potentially you could lose your life. >> experts say there isn't enough clinical data to show it's effective for the coronavirus and there are some serious side effects. >> you continue today to push hydroxychloroquine in a way that is baffling to medical professionals. >> gene robinson, wrote in "the washington post" the one word that proves why president trump should not be president. what is it? >> hydroxychloroquine. >> tucker: these people have no idea what they are talking about and they don't care to learn. you know exactly what they're doing, they are launching partisan political attacks and pretend against medical advice. that's always wrong.

right now in the middle of a pandemic that is reckless and immoral, remember their names. a critical tool for eventually reopening our economy is an effective, cheap antibody test for the coronavirus that has to be able to detect whether a person had it already. those immune could then return to work without risk of contracting the disease or spreading it. that could be the key to fixing it. now one company says and antibody tests already exist and its awaiting fda approval to be deployed. doctor, thanks so much for coming on. every segment we do like this we want to say we are not endorsing this, of course, we are skeptical of the saints. but we want you to explain because it's important. >> good evening tucker. we have a rapid antibody tests and the key to this is, it's part of the solution to the crisis. it identifies patients who have immunity and it identifies

people that can give plasma for critically ill patients. it was developed in germany and germany has the lowest mortality from covid-19 globally at this point and they have tested everybody. so this is good, it's used by our allies in europe and this is not the junk that's coming from china that's getting stopped at the border. they are sending all sorts of stuff over here and that's why this is high quality and high value. i know president trump is a problem solver and decisive and i made in america kind of guy so our goal is to make get america back to work again and to make america well again. >> tucker: saw dr. come back up very quickly and just flesh out what you said it, this would allow people that have had the disease and recovered to donate plasma to the ill. what would be the purpose of that? >> so when you have a patient that has had the infection and recovered, the antibodies mean

they have had immunity. so when you spin the plasma off their blood and give it to the critically ill patient, those antibodies fight the viral infection and allow that patient to recover and his immunity to pick up. so it's critical. at this point. spin on it that makes sense. so it might be confusing for those of us not familiar with the regulatory process. if it's being used successfully in germany, why can't we get it here exactly? >> yeah, i don't know. you know the red tape and the fda and president trump trying to get through it. they take their time. new york has been crying about no tests, we had these tests for three weeks. we're just trying to deploy it. it's the way the red tape and government move slowly. >> tucker: there was ever a time to cut through that it would seem like it should be right now. i don't know what you've told me about this development but it

seems legitimately promising. thank you so much and good luck with it. >> thank you tucker. >> tucker: coronavirus of course started in china and spread across the world thanks to the lining of the chinese government. but instead of holding them accountable at the media has held back.

>> tucker: the will hunt coronavirus is called that because it began in the city of wuhan and spread across the world because chinese authorities lied about it, but instead of holding them accountable the western press often sound like chinese propaganda. it is a tweet from nbc. 1,062 coronavirus deaths and over 24 hours. meanwhile where the pandemic broke out in china not a single new coronavirus death was reported. notice at nbc, the news gatherers, never bothered to ask why, as every western city's shutdown, life in beijing and shanghai is completely normal. why is that, by the way? so much to get to the bottom of that. political bias is one reason why these people are flocking for china. they defended ms-13 when he attacked them but there's more than that going on. there's a financial interest in the bottom of this arrangement that you should know about. arthur blum is the managing

editor of the american conservative and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so your reporting shows that many big american media companies aren't simply for ideological reasons carrying water for china but actually doing business with the chinese government. tell us. >> right. we have this tremendous disconnect between what the american people actually think about china and what the media has been telling us. something like 70% of americans blame china for that yet that's not what we've been getting. so, why? there's all the usual reasons that most reporters are liberal, but also in business with them. the chinese inserts in "the new york times" or "the washington post," those have gotten a lot of attention but also some of these bigger conglomerates like comcast which owns nbc universal, for example they are building a big theme park in beijing which is so multibillion dollar investment which hasn't come on line yet. so what does that mean? if rachel maddow were to come on

and start bashing the chinese government, you know, the communist party could come down and say we are not interested in opening or theme park anymore. statement so you are saying that for the same reason that nba players won't criticize the chinese government, the league's in business and nike's in business with them, nbc's parent company is also in business with the chinese government, and so nbc on eric trump to hear how to read the news can't criticize china either? >> that's exactly right. so in this beijing project, it's a partnership between comcast and a chinese state owned investment company. so they are literally in business with the chinese government and we've seen the nba situation was a great example where just one owner of a team was critical of the chinese and yet the hammer came down hard on the entire league. they are not known for a proportional response here. >> tucker: that's so interesting. have you heard any of their anchors disclose the conflict?

>> i certainly haven't. there are a lot of stories that are suspiciously close to the communist party line. for example talking about how they only knew two cases in china are coming from foreigners and talking about chinese global leadership. and in the last month or so, there have been a number of reporters that have been expelled from china. and no nbc reporters were on that list. i would think if they were covering china in a tough way it's a badge of honor to be kicked out. >> tucker: it was interesting, but they never mentioned that they reflect for china consistently and they do because they are doing business with china, it's an amazing thing. i'm so glad arthur blum that you brought this to our attention, we will follow up. the u.s. senate's it spent hundreds of billions of dollars

reportedly to protect small businesses but now private equity moguls are maneuvering to get that money instead. while congress stopped them from doing that? that's next. but first, a glance at washington, d.c., right now courtesy of martin gimenez. ♪

>> tucker: weeks ago at the congress approves largest stimulus package in the history of the world. much of that money, hundreds of millions of dollars was set aside to help america's small businesses, millions of which are at risk of closing and many of which have already have. according to news reports the private equity business, the people who pay half the tax rate you do it's not pressuring congress and the administration to give them some of that money to prop up some of their investments. is that fair, is it a good idea or is it a sign of the end times? senator josh hawley represents the state of missouri. there has been some debate about whether this is actually happen. do you think it is and if so, can it be stopped? >> he better not happen. private equity was sitting on a trillion, trillion and a half in cash back in january. so if they need access to

capital, they ought to spend some of their own money. and by the way private equity has access to credit facilities of the average independent small business person at least in my state of missouri absolute does not. so our focus right now needs to be on saving jobs, saving small business, and i think we ought to go even bolder. i think we need to protect every single job in this country until this emergency passes and i think that has to be the focus of phase four. >> tucker: it's will tell us about that. so you are involved in thinking, how to affect this bolstering of the u.s. economy. what should we do next? >> we have to get ready to get back to work. americans want to work and as soon as we can we need to be ready to surge out of the gates to do that. we need to protect the jobs of this country. unemployment is already way too high and some economists estimate we are already at 13% unemployment, that's devastating. we will see more unemployment

numbers tomorrow and we've got to get focused on preventing any further job losses. so number one we should incentivize business to rehire every person who has been laid off because of this coronavirus emergency, and a number two i think the government ought to help cover the payroll of every business in this country for every worker in this country up to the median wage so they can keep their jobs and support their families during this emergency. that will allow us to come back strong. >> tucker: so that's a version of what germany did during the last economic downturn in oh eight and oh nine. would there be assurances in this that companies would take whatever assistance they got and pass that on to their employees and wages and not keep it? >> yeah, exactly. the proposal that i put forward covers wages only so it would support employees. we were routed through the business because that's the fastest way to do it plus we want to get those people their

jobs. we want them to keep their jobs, the people that have been laid off, we want them to get their jobs back. i think we will be in the business of protecting workers and protecting jobs and then we need to be able to survive this emergency and then search out of the gate for a strong recovery. we can only do that if workers are ready to work and they are on the job and ready to go and i think that needs to be our foc focus. >> tucker: amen. and if you can keep the vultures at bay while you do that, that would also be god's work. thank you very much, senator hawley, good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: it's amazing to even say this but billions of christians will be unable to celebrate easter together this year because what's happening but the easter spirit lives on. cardinal dolan joins us in a moment. but first i'll look at the current state of los angeles, this is courtesy of carl woffo wofford. ♪

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>> tucker: sunday is easter but amazingly, most of the world's christian churches will be empty as the current

quarantines against coronavirus. it's also the first day of passover but millions of will be able to hold a theater with their families. this is also the course of consolation, and we are happy to have you on tonight. thank you so much for coming on. you've been watching this as closely as anyone. what is the hope that you see? >> tucker, first of all i appreciate being invited on and secondly blessed passover to all of our jewish neighbors. it is a lot of hope they are. some people are saying, what i got awful time to celebrate passover and holy week and easter. but i'm proposing that it's just the opposite. this is a great opportunity this year to deepen faith by really understanding the mystery and the message of the two great

major feast days for the jewish community in the christian community. passover does what, tucker? it recalls and relives the deliverance that god gave from the jewish people from desperation and slavery in egypt into a new life and promise in israel. and what do we celebrate at easter? well, we celebrate the passover of jesus christ, god his father and our father who delivered him, his only begotten son, from death and aggregation, darkness, despair on that terrible good friday afternoon, to new life and resurrection on sunday. now i'm proposing, do we ever need that message? yes. we might be disappointed that we could never go to our synagogues, we can't gather for a seder, we can't go into the church buildings to celebrate these great feasts. the message and the history are going to ring, i think, with more resilience than ever as people say, you know what? as a city and a planet we are

going through passover. we are going through a transition from the darkness and death a good friday to the new light and hope of easter sunday as we gradually get through this terrible epidemic. i think that's more vivid than ever. >> tucker: so many are wondering, this is the most important day in the christian calendar obviously. how do i celebrate it? the church is close, they are offering online services, but how are you celebrating? >> we are all celebrating the great liturgies and the sacred rituals. we are doing it in church, and that's never private. there is not going to be many people there, we have to restrict that. but mass and our celebrations are never isolated or never private. we believe heaven unites with earth every time the church comes together in faith. for celebration of the sacraments, they are

live streaming the holy week of liturgies and, our ratings have skyrocketed. i wish there were a better way to do it and to accomplish that, and there were over a million people last who plugged into the live streaming of mass from st. patrick's cathedral. so faith while deepened and enhanced will come together in our parish churches for the selection of holy week, there are other ways to do it. through prayer, and i think that will dominate this holy weekend easter. >> tucker: i hope you are right. i think people are starting to wonder, did all that stuff i bought on amazon make me happy? did that answer the question, what happens when you die? maybe you didn't. >> thank you for giving us together and keeping us informed. happy easter. >> tucker: happy easter.

that's it for us tonight, we hope you have a great evening with the ones you love, even if they are not in your immediate vicinity. we will be back tomorrow night. sean hannity takes over from new york and about seven seconds. hey, shawna. >> sean: that was a great message with the cardinal, good job. tucker, great show as always. welcome to "hannity." major coverage of our progress at covid-19, facts without fear. if the current pattern holds, coronavirus could be leveling off as we speak and followed by dramatic decline if the models hold. one frequently cited model which predicted a death toll, and that was without any travel ban were quarantines or mitigation would have been 2.2 million, as high as 2.2 million americans dying. then we had the big signs ten days ago, 240,000. that was revised down to 81,002 days ago and it