i will see you tomorrow night at seven and tucker carlson is ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" appeared for the headline new grunt of ira casas appear to be slowing down in this country, that's very good news. but deaths, at the same time, are still rising. today, in fact, is the deadliest day so far. the chief breaking newss correspondent trace gallagher joins us with the latest numbers from across the country. >> the numbers are horrifying, but saidly they expected. the coronavirus task force has won for days this would be the countries most difficult day, and that's bearing out. the death toll in the u.s. today are the highest of any country during any time this pandemic come in today, dr. deborah birx said this about emerging

hot spots. watch. >> we are concerned about the metro area of washington and baltimore, and we are concerned right now about the philadelphia area. >> philadelphia. and it's interesting that while pennsylvania governor tom over and commissioner thomas farley pushed back, saying he's not sure what number he's looking at, but his paint a brighter picture, and the deaths in pennsylvania today are down from yesterday. but projections about the d.c., maryland, virginia region becoming a hot spot appear to be supported bybe the numbers, from yesterday to today, the area hay significant increase in both new cases and deaths. in fact, maryland, and most of this is coming from the baltimore area, has now seen its three deadliest days of the outbreak.he finally, california is continuing its trend of i flattening the curve with the number of cases and deaths being very steady form one solid week

malcolm and louisiana, which has been a hot spot, did see its numbers come down today. tucker? >> tucker: interesting. trace gallagher, thanks so much for that. there's been so much going on obviously, it's easy to forget it, but there still a presidential campaign going on this year. until a few hours ago, the democratic primaries were still tin progress, but now it done,t least officially. this morning, bernie sanders dropped out of the race. >> weci are now 300 delegates behind vice president biden, and the path towards victory is virtually impossible. and so, today, i'm announcing the suspension of my campaign. >> tucker: so, that's it for sanders. he's 78 years old. he will never be the president. but he did leave his mark. for two cycles in a row, bernie sanders and felt panic at the highest levels of the dnc. twice in a row, democratic party leaders managed to crush him in the end, and they did that despite the fact sanders had a large and passionate following,

as well as a genuinely populist message. the dnc, meanwhile, is ossified and corrupt and cares not at all about the actual lives of its voters. so how did they manage to beat him twice? well, they could have done without sanders' help. sanders never wanted to win neck. like so many ideologues, he wanted to lose. it makes them feel virtuous. in 2016, sanders wouldn't attack hillary clinton for putting up classified emails on a server. he wouldn't go after the clinton foundation until it was far too late to matter. he fluidly praised biden's character. then, sanders sat by as an embarrassed child as elizabeth warren and cnn attacks attacked him as a sexist. voters began to one of the obvious, if the democratic party isn't that enough for sanders to attack it, why do we need a revolution? sanders never answered that question, now he never will. under the core, he was a party

man. sad. that means joe biden is the presumptive democratic nominee. nobody really chose joe biden for this job, he wound up with it by a series of defaults, and it shows. could he find his car in a three-tiered parking garage? could he navigate a salad bar? and by the way, what exactly is his position on the coronavirus pandemic? those are the mysteries democrat now face. biden has been virtually invisible the last month. that's not an accident. joe biden on camera means more moments like this. >> we cannot let this -- we've never allowed any crisis from the civil war, straight through to the pandemic of '17 -- '16, we have never, ever let our democracy, we can have a democracy, elections at the same time, public health. >> tucker: did you follow that? correct to the public health. it's hard to imagine a man like

that making it through a presidential debate, or even staying awake through the inaugural proceedings. what seems likely that at some point democratic leaders will try to find a way to replace before the election. andrew cuomo is the obvious replacement, but there are others. whatever happens, it's worth takingng joe biden serious for this moment, now that he is officially, in a sense, the nominee. he was first elected to senate in 1972, the year and richard nixon opened china to the west. as the threat from china grew larger and more threatening and obvious over the decades, biden seemed to grow more accommodating to the chinese government. 2000, for example, the u.s.-china trade relations actio gave china normal trade status, which means rosemary gibson, who we had on the show, details how that piece of legislation opened the floodgates for chinese drug imports. than three years of the bill passing, america lost its last aspirin factories, last vitamin c facility, last penicillin plant. our ability to make critically vital antibiotics in this

country vanished, and that was a serious blow to our national security. andni yet, joe biden voted for that bill. he went on to oppose amendments to it that would have put pressure on china to release political parishioners and stop forced abortions. p years later, in 2011, biden still didn't see the threat and appeared to welcome it. he said "a rising china is a positive development, not only for china, before america." the dave biden gave that speech, millions of americans had already lost their jobs, shipped overseas to china, chinese students flooding americanamerica'sschools and re, crowding out americans, and in the end, boost the chinese economy to where it stands today, larger than ours. hard to believe biden said that, but it wasn't the only time he did. here was biden last may on the campaign trail. >> china is going to eat our lunch? come on, man. they are not bad folks, folks. but guess what? the art competition for us.

>> tucker: just two months ago when it was already clear to everyone who was watching that china had lied to the world in ways that hurt the world about a deadly outbreak of the wuhan coronavirus, biden was still flocking for the chinese government. watch this. >> we have right now a crisis with coronavirus, coming in from china. in moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as it explains what we should and should not do. this is no time for donald trump's record of hysteria, xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, and fearmongering, to lead the way, instead of science. >> tucker: xenophobia! seems almost antique. why? because in a moment like this, in a moment of national crisis, irrelevant issues tend to reseed. you've probably heard a lot less

recently about how america's racist! how we need reparations for slavery or nonbinary signs in every public men's room stall. it all seems insultingly frivolous now. whatom matters in moments like this are the big things. on the top of that list is who should leave this world going forward. should it be the united states? or should it be the government of china? anyone who has trouble answering that question probably won't be the president. dana perino hosts "the daily dana perino.h thanks so much for coming on for a rare break where we are going to address political news. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so bernie sanders getting out, where does that leave the democratic party, do you think? >> well, so, bernie sanders, over time, he basically showed that he had about a third of the democratic party's support. if you look at the numbers, that's what he basically came out. and that's not nothing. it's not enough to get you to the nomination, but it was enough to pull the entire democratic party of the left.he

and i think you're absolutely right, and i'm glad to hear you say it, because i think one of the headlines out of this is that bernie sanders is never going to be president. he's ran several times, but now, after this effort today when he says i'm dropping out today, he's not going to be president. but he did leave an ideological mark on the party, and i think it remains to be seen if the democrats are going to be able to actually win in the united states with some of the positions they have been forced to take because ofth bernie sanders' fervent base that pulled them in that direction. >> tucker: i just got to wonder, and i'm very aware that there is no, kind of, systematically to pull that off, but i've got to believe the democratic fund-raisers are going to look at biden and say, we've got to beat the incumbent, we can't do it with this guy, let's make a change. interest in your view on that. >> you can do it, right? they can figure that out and sub somebody in if they wanted to.

i thought was interesting today, "the new york times" columnist writes this piece today that joe bidenre that joe biden shoud come out now and talk about this amazing unity cabinet that he would put together, this a dream team, except i thought it was pretty funny, he had alexandria ocasio-cortez as the ambassador to the united nationo on his list. but the reason i thought it was interesting that tom freeman wrote that is i think it shows that they know joe biden is a pretty weak candidate, because if you have to resort to tricks like announcing a unity cabinet, in may of an election year, because there's not enough enthusiasm for your campaign, that's pretty bad. also, tucker, watch for this. the campaigns are due to report their first-quarter fund-raising numbers. i have to imagine that they're not going to be great for the democrats this time around. >> tucker: so, i mean, you're in amateur presidential historian, i would say.

>> very amateur. >> tucker: [laughs] i guess we all are, really. but can you think of anyone who won running on, this is the secretary of the interior if you vote for me, and here is the energy secretary. ladies and gentlemen, meet the secretary of commerce. has that worked? >> no. [laughs] >> tucker: [laughs] that stupid! >> i am an amateur presidential historian, but i can assure you. here's the other think i'll biden is in a real bind. if he comes after the president too hard right now, it'll look like he's attacking the commander in chief in time of a crisis, and i liken it to, during hurricane sandy -- that happened in october, right before the election, and mitt romney, what was he supposed to do? anything, looks too partisan or political and he was in a tough block. the timing of this is much bigger, obviously, it's global, but really affecting the country.

it's five months or so before the election. there'sio not that much time, though, to figure out how do you want to leave this country, except he tried another trick today, biden said this week, he will start to narrow down his choices for the vice presidential candidate, but again, a vice presidential candidate is not what really wins the election. >> tucker: no, that's what we call on television "stunt casting." your ratings are in free fall, so maybe bring a great a block a guest or a guest host. something you said, have to ask, i can't resist, a second ago, this question on my mind: what exactly are the hiring criteria for "new york times" columnist's? to have numbers on that? how often you have to be wrong in order to get the job? do we know? >> it's so funny you say that. earlier today, we recorded the podcast that chris stirewalt and i host, and he settlements the exact same thing you said, except he said it a little more

loudly and he said the columnist i never once been right and didn't understand why anyone continued to listen to him, but i still like w a the ft they write this, basically because they think biden is going to need a lot of reinforcementt to take the fight to donald trump. >> tucker: you've got to give him credit for bravery. if i i was about wrong, i would retire. i would move to paraguay in shame, but that's just me. dana perino, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> [laughs] bye. >> tucker: the news have been so grim, it's almost nice to talka: about politics for once. fox medical contributor dr. marc siegel has been an almost daily feature on this program since the outbreak began. last night he d told us just briefly about what his own father is going through right now. >> tucker, i want to tell you about a 96-year-old man in florida, who said one night, i don't think i'm going to make it. i feel very weak. the end is coming. i'm coughing, short of breath, can't get up from the couch. the next day, he was on hydroxychloroquine antibiotics,

per his cardiologist, got up the next day and was fine. this man is my father. >> tucker: just so you know, this show is not scripted. we had no idea dr. siegel was going to say that. we were up against a hard break and had to cut him off there. it was an amazing moment. thankfully, the doctor is back tonight and we are glad to have him. dr. marc siegel, great to see you. i've been thinking about this almost the last 24 hours, cut you off almost midsentence. you announced last night on our show -- i'm sorry to laugh, one of the casualties of this moment we are living in inin the nationwide lockdown is we are feeling our way through the technical aspects of television. so let me just restate, and perhaps you can hear me now: last night, we cut you off when you were telling us about your

father, who at 96, is a patient receiving hydroxychloroquine, and you suggested a made a great difference. we didn't have time to follow up on that, so i'm wondering if you would now. and thanks for joining us. >> tucker, the issue is not just that he was near death and that the medicine appeared to help him recover rapidly, it was also the issue of self-quarantine, with my mother there, and no aid that could come in, and how they were going to get food delivered, and how they were going to be taken care of, and nghow they were going to take ce of themselves, and that made me think about other elderly people in that condition and situation, and coincidentally, since then, i've had patients call,e relatives, say, hey, my mother's alone. how do i care for her? how do i treat her? i've also been accelerating my own telemedicine visits with elderlyit people, and we have tt by a computer, where i can connect up with an elderly person, my staff has been teaching them how to use it online. i can assess them.

i can see if they're sad. i can see with their eyes look like. i can check how their breathing. i can see what their pallor is, whether they are sweating. i can look at their legs for swelling. they can tell me how they are feeling. i can figure out, how are they getting food? are they getting out for food? 's wood coming into them? are they having it delivered? there's many ways they can have it delivered. not only am i interacting with them, refilling medications and making sure they have enough on hand, if they have an apple watch i can even assess their heart, and again, if they have something here,an i can assess their breathing oxygenation. i also need to know family members are paying attention to the social isolation that's going on among our elderly. are they visiting? even if they are just looking in the window. nursing homes are not allowing visitors right now. are you going to the nursing home and figuring out a way to at least see your family member through a window? very, very important that you call them twice a day if you use to call them once a day. right now, we need our elderly not to be disenfranchised and to

be isolated, tucker. >> tucker: amen. that is such a wonderful advice, a great reminder, nothing is truer than that. solitude hurts people. dr. sable, great to see you.eo thank you. >> it's the most important problem. thank you, tucker. >> tucker: amen. welcome at this point, the fight against coronavirus seems to be going better than we thought. have you heard that anywhere? did you see that in the headlines? no. why is that, exactly? will tell you what the state of the fight is in the state of th. plus, companies said it has a new antibody test i could accelerate the comeback. this this just ahead. ♪ your tax provider?

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♪ >> tucker: a couple of weeks ago, on march 25th, a researcher from the university of massachusetts conductin conductn interesting survey, reaching out to 20 epidemiologists and healtm experts, asking how many americans will die from this outbreak of thes coronavirus? the average estimate he got back frowas 245,000 people. that number matched almost exactly the projection from the institute for health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington, t a group that has created the most influential model of the pandemic. as recently as yesterday, you heard some authorities cite those numbers in public,us hundreds of thousands will die. that estimate has changed dramatically. this morning, your numbers were issued, as researchers in our project for 60,000 deaths in this country by august 4th.

that's one quarter of the original productio projection n. individual states have changed, as well. virginia currently suffering i lockdown until june, the model l of 981 debts statewide. just a week ago, the 8 ih me had more than three times what they are now saying. at this point, we should not be surprised the model got it wro wrong. their predictionhe of how many hospital beds we would need turned out to bef completely disconnected from reality, that matters quite a bit, because it turnsli out those numbers were e main justification for this lockdown. remember our efforts to flatten the curve? they were crazy, there there was a good reason for doing that, we didn't want our health care system to collapse under coronavirus patients. it has not collapsed, but not because we didn't prepare effectively, there were far fewer people that needed inpatient medical treatment than we thought there would be. for example, the model predicted april 4th, new york would

need -- the actual number of hospital beds with 16,000. you are hearing people now say the spread between the prediction andyo the reality mut be due to social distancing, but that is not true. social distancing members were factored into the model from the beginning. the prediction turned out to be four times larger than what actually happened. social distancing didn't do that. something else skewed the numbers. we don't know what it is. we should find out. at the same time, ihme has been far more accurate on death totals, in some cases significant overstated, but not byby 400%. pretty close, and a lot of cases. today, the ihme announced -- an awful lot of people will die, but far from the largest death toll we will see this year. for perspective, we are going to read you know a series of numbers. now, some people may be offended to hear this, but there's no reason to be. accurate statistics are not

offensive. b they should be the baseline where we make the part in decisions. even if we have made productions in the past that we are embarrassed to admit what we now know. we should do itt anyway because ego doesn't matter at a time like this, the truth matters. according to the cdc in 2018, 61,000 americans died of the annual flu. that same year, more than 67,000 die from drug overdoses. nearly 50,000 die from suicide. but 88,000 americans die from alcohol abuse. 83,000 died from diabetes. more than 606,000 died from cancer. i could go on. but for now, let's look at two of those numbers: overdoses and suicides -- both, by the way, disproportionately kill young people. let's say the ihme death projections are too low, for the sake of argument, and this would begu the first time that's happened. for the sake of this exercise,

let's assume the real number is twice as big, it's 120,000. that's how many americans will fight in this outbreak. if that's true, that would still be around as many people as die from overdoses and suicide. both of which our leaders essentially ignore. deaths like those are not considered a government problem. given the last several weeks protect yourself from a wuhan coronavirus, which is dangerous and scary, we have thrown an estimated 17 million people out of work, spent more than $2 trillion in borrowed money, and that's just the response so far. we are not going to tell you that what our leaders have done in the last month is disproportionate. you can decide that for yourself. but it's definitely something to think aboutut going forward, because again, reality matters, even if it embarrasses us to admit it. many of our politicians don't seem to be thinking about it. when the face of improving numbers, in fact, new jersey governor phil murphy announced his state would "if anything,

titan as opposed to loosen lockdown restrictions." statements like that make you wonder what's really going on here. 's public health are really the only consideration for these people? maybe not. here is zeke emanuel, not only academic but also a longtime political hack, explaining on msnbc this morning that america must remain in its current state for a year and a half. keep in mind, at almost the very moment that zeke emanuel said this, the ihme was revising its total death rate down to just 60,000. >> i do think we are going to return to what we think of as normal, sort of precovid-19 situation, only with a vaccine or some very effective preventative that everyone can take. that is 18 months away, and we need to keep very, very clear about that. we are not getting that around the corner. spiel you want to give everyone in this country the benefit of the dollars in the middle of

a crisis, but honestly, you have to wonder what h motivates peope to say things like what youeo j. if you were sent sincerely setrying to help the country fon medical treatments. a drug that saved even half of patients heading toward death thwould change the landscape immediately and t forever. in a situation like this, science is our hope. you would think our media would be following every medical advance at least as closely as we climb follow the final four, but now, they are doing just the opposite. they are ignoring promising treatments in favor of promoting ever more oppressive social controls. why are they doing that? in the case of the drug hydroxychloroquine, which doctors are giving right now to thousands of coronavirus patients, doctors -- reporters, rather, who have no grounding in science, are telling us that it's unproven and risky, apparently, in contrast to everything else we are doing. >> fauci is saying those studies are not scientific, and chloroquine, a drug usedho to treat malaria and lupus, also

carries cardiovascular risk. the president continues to endorse the drug. >> present from his, what you have to lose? medical experts say, your life. >> potentially, you could lose your life. >> experts say there isn't enough clinical data to show it is effective for coronavirus and has serious side effects. >> he continued today to push hydroxychloroquine in a way that is baffling to medical professionals. >> gene robinson wrote in "the washington post," the one word that proves why president trump should not be president, what is it? >> hydroxychloroquine. >> tucker: these people have no idea what they are talking about, and they don't care to learn. you know what they are doing: watching partisan political attacks and pretending it is medical advice. that's always wrong. but right now, in the middle of a pandemic, that is reckless and

immoral. remember their names. a critical tool for eventuallyfo reopening our economy is an effective, cheap antibody test for the coronavirus. that test would be able to detect if a person had had it already. those who were immune could then return to work without risk of contracting the disease or spreading it. that could be the key to fixing this. now, one company says and antibody test already exists and is just awaiting fda approval to be deployed. chief medical officer at pharmaceuticals and join us tonight. doctor, thanks for coming on. every segment we do like this, we want to say we are not endorsing this, we are skeptical, course, i don't understand the science, but we want you to explain, because it's important, what you think you have here. >> good evening, tucker. we have an antibody test, and the key to this, this a is partf the solution to the crisis, it identify patients that have immunity, it identifies people that can give plasma for

critically ill patients. and was developed in germany. germany has the lowest mortality from covid-19. globally, at this point. and they tested everybody. so this is good. by our allies in europe, not the junk coming from china that got stopped at the border. they are sending all sorts of stuff over here, and that is why this is high-quality, high-value. i know president trump is a problem solver, made in america kind of guy, so our goal is to get america back to work again and make america well again. >> tucker: so doctor, could you back up very quickly and flesh out what you said, this would allow people who've had thet disease and recovered to donate plasma to the ill. what would be the purpose of that? >> when you have a patient that has had the infection and recovered, they have antibodies, and the antibodies may may have immunity. when you spin off the plasma off

their blood, those antibodies tfight the viral infection and allow that patient to recover. so it's critical. >> tucker: that makes sense. that makes sense. so tell us, it's maybe a little confusing to those of us not familiar with the regulatory process. if it's successful in u germany, why can't we get it here, exactly? >> yeah, i don't know, the red tape and the fda. president trump has been trying to cut through it. you know, they take their time. i don't know why. new york has been crying about no testing, no tests, we fed these tests for three weeks. we're just just trying to deploy them. it's the way of the red tape of carmen goes. >> tucker: man, if there was ever a time to question that it would seem to be right now. i don't know anymore than you told me about this development, but it seems legitimately promising. doctor, thanks so much, and good luck with it. >> thank you, tucker.

and good evening. >> tucker: coronavirus, of course, started in china and spread across the world thanks to the lining of the chinese government. instead of holding them accountable, the american media have acted in effect like a propaganda arm. why is that? may be because many of them are in business with the chinese government. true. wehe have details after the bre. ♪ spray... spray... and spray... and spray. well, we used to. with new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier, one simple application kills and prevents bugs in your home for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. it's the modern way to keep bugs away. new ortho, home defense max. get everything you need for spring at ortho.com order today! right now we're offering one week free of pureflix to new users. our hope is that our content can help fill these stressful hours,

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>> live from america's news headquarters come on ashley strohmeyer. lawmakers disagreeing as they try to hammer out another coronavirus aid package. the white house wants $250 billion for a small business fund, while democrats want more money for protective gear, food stamps, and aid to state and local governments. the national stockpile of equipment is nearly depleted, about 90% of all of the protective equipment, like n-95 massachusetts, has been distributed to state and local governments. the remaining 10% is being held for federal workers. and a dire warning from vice president mike pence, who said a potential covid-19 hot spot, and residents are urged to practice social distancing guidelines. pittsburgh also being monitored a.i'm ashley strohmeyer. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: the wuhan coronavirus is called that because it began in the city of

wuhan and spread across the world because chinese ieauthorities might about it, bt instead of holding them accountable, the western press often sounds like chinese propaganda. here's a recent tweet from nbc, as if you need more evidence. but here it is. "the u.s.. reports 160,000 coronavirus deaths in 24 hours, but meanwhile in th china, not a single coronavirus death was reported. noticed that nbc, the news gatherers, never bother to ask why, as every western city's shutdown, life in beijing and shanghai is completely normal. why is that, by the way? someone should get to the bottom of that. political bias is one reason -- they defended ms-13 when he attacked them. but there is more than that going on, a financial interest at the bottom of this that you should know about. thanks so much for coming on.

your reporting shows that many big american media companies aren't simply, for ideological reasons,s carrying water for china, but are actually doing business with the chinese government. tell us. >> we have this tremendous disconnect between what the american people think about trying it with the media have been telling us. something like 70% of americans blame china for it, yet that is not what we have been getting. so why? there's all the usual reasons, most reporters are liberal and they trust experts a lot, but also in business with them. that can take a whole lot of different forms. there's the chinese insert "the new york times," or "the washington post," they've gotten a lot of attention, but also some of these bigger conglomerates, like comcast, which owns nbc universal, for example, they are building a theme park in beijing come a multibillion dollar investment that hasn't come on line yet. and so, what does that mean? if rachel maddow, for example, where to come on and start bashing the chinese government, and the communist party could

come down and say, actually, we're not interested in opening a theme park anymore. >> tucker: wait, so you are staying for the same reason nba players want to criticize the chinese government, the league', in business and mikey's in business with them, nbc's parent company is also in business with the chinese government, and so the hair how to read the news can't criticize china either. >> that's exactly right. in this bidding project and that they are working on, it's a partnership between comcast and a chinese state owned investment company, so they are literally in business with the chinese government. we've seen the nba situation wat one owner of a team was critical of the chinese, and yet, the hammer came down hard on the entire league. and so, they are not known for a proportional response here. >> tucker: that's so interesting. have you heard any of their anchorss disclose the conflict? >> i certainly haven't.

there have been a lot of stories that are so suspiciously close to the communist party mine, for example, talking about how the orly new cases in china are coming from foreigners and talking when chinese global leadership. in the last month or two, there have been a number of reporters that have been expelled from china, and no nbc reporters were on that list. i wouldld think if you are covering china in a tough way, it's a badge of honor to be kicked out. >> tucker: it's interesting, because i was watching the msnbc morning show today, and all of the hyenas word jumping around saying trump was pushing hydroxychloroquine because he was getting rich from it, totally false. they are doing business with china. it's t just an amazing thing. i'm so glad that you brought this to our attention. we are going to follow up. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the u.s. senate w spent hundreds of billions of dollars, reportedly to protect small businesses, but now private equity moguls are

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♪ >> tucker: well, just weeks ago, the congress approved the

largest stimulus package in the history of the world. much of that money, hundreds of billions of dollars, was set aside to help america's small businesses. millions of which are at risk of closing, many of which already have. according to news reports, the private equity business, the people who pay half the tax rate you do, stop pressuring congress and administration to give them some of that money to prop up some of their investments. by the same time, private equity also wants accessf to loans set aside for larger businesses, as wild. is that fair? is it a good idea, or is it really a sign of the end times? senator josh hawley represents the state of missouri. we are happy to have them on tonight. there has been some debate about whether this is actually happening. if it is, can it be stopped? > it better not happen, talk, and is certainly not going to happen with my support. private equity was sitting on a trillion -- that's with a t -- a trillion and a half in cash. back in january. so they need access to capital, they ought to spend some of their own money.

by the way, private equity has access to credit that the average small business person, at least in my state of missouri, absolutely does not appear for our focus needs to be on saving jobs, saving small business, and i think we ought to go even bolder, i think we eeed to protect every single job in this country until this emergency passes, and i think that's got to be the focus of phase four. >> tucker: so, yeah, and tell us about that. so you are involved in thinking how to complete this bolstering of the u.s. economy. what should we do next? >> my view, tucker, we've got to get ready t to get back to work. americans want to work, and as soon as we can, we need to be ready to surge out of the gate. to do that, we need to protect jobs in this country.ob on employment is already way too high, and some economist already estimate 15%, that's devastating. weat will see more unemployment numbers tomorrow. we have got to get focused on preventing any further job losses.

i think we should do terrible things. number one, incentivize business to rehire every person who has been laid off because of this coronavirus emergency. and number two, i think the government ought to help cover the payroll of every business in this country, for every worker in this country come up to the median wage, so they can keep their jobs, support their families during this emergency, andg allow us to come back strong. >> tucker: so, that's a version of what germany did during the t last economic downturn in '08 ant '09. with the reassurances in this that companies would take whatever assistance they got and pass it onto their employees and wages, and not, you know, keep it? >> exactly, it would be only four wages.>> the proposal i put forward covers wages only, so with support employees, routed to the business because that is the fastest way to do it, plus, we want to give people their jobs. for people who have been laid

off, we want them to get their jobs back. i think we have to be in the business of protecting workers, protecting jobs, and getting ready to surge. we need to survive this emergency and then surge out off thes gate for a strong recovery. we can only do that if workers are ready to work, if they are on the job a and ready to go, ad i think that needs to be our focus. >> tucker: amen. amen. you can keep the vultures that they will you do that, that would also be god's work. thank you very much, senator hawley. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: it's amazing even to say this, but billions of christians will be unable to celebrate easter together this year, thanks to what's happening. but the easter spirit lives on, cardinal timothy dolan joined us in a moment. first, look at the current state of los angeles. ♪

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>> tucker: sunday is easter, but amazingly for the first time may be in about 2,000 years, most of the world's christian churches will be empty as the quarantines against coronavirus.

millions of faithful will jews will be unable to hold services. faith is also a source of consolation needed more than ever. catholic archbishop of new york and we are happy to have them on tonight. cardinal, thank you so much for coming on. you've been watching this as closely as anyone. what is the hope that you see now? >> tucker, first of all i appreciate being invited on. secondly, a blessed passover to all of our jewish neighbors. there is a lot of hope here. people are saying, what a god-awful time to celebrate passover, holy week, and easter, and i'm proposing it's just the opposite. this is a great opportunity this year to deepen faith by really understanding the mystery and the message of the two great major theses for the jewish

community and christian community. passover does, what, tucker? it recalls, it delivers the re-deliverance of the jewish people in desperation and slavery in egypt to a new life and promise in israel. what do we celebrate in easter? we celebrate the passover of jesus christ, god, his father, our father delivered him his only begotten son from death and degradation, darkness, despair, on the terrible good friday afternoon, to new life and resurrection on sunday. now i'm proposing do we ever need that message? yeah, we might be disappointed we can't go to our synagogues, we can't go down for seder, we can't go into church buildings to celebrate these great feasts, but the message and the mystery are going to ring i think with more resilience than ever as people say, you know what? as a city, as a country, as a planet, we are going through passover. we are going on the transition

between the darkness and death of good friday to new life and hope of easter sunday as we gradually get through this terrible epidemic. i think the message and the mystery are going to be more vivid than ever. >> tucker: so a lot of christians are wondering, this is the most important day of the christian calendar, obviously. how do i celebrate it? my church is close, they are offering online services. how are you celebrating easter, cardinal? >> we are all celebrating all the great liturgies of the sacred rituals. we are doing it in church. that's never private. there is not going to be many people there. we have to restrict that. but mass and our celebrations, it's never isolated. it's never private. we believe having unites with the earth every time the church comes together in some version of the sacraments and that's what we are going to do. our pastors have been amazingly innovative. they are live streaming, the holy week liturgies, doing it

here at st. patrick's, tucker. look, our ratings have skyrocketed. i wish there were a better way to do with to accomplish it, but we had over a million people last sunday who plugged into the live streaming of mass from st. patrick's cathedral. so our people know that faith, while deepen and enhanced when we can come together in our parish churches for th ways to . through prayer. through an earnest desire to be united with god and other people. i think that's going to dominate this holy week and easter. >> tucker: i hope you are right. i think people are starting to wonder, you know, did all that stuff i buy on amazon make me happy? doesn't answer the question what happens when you die? maybe it didn't. >> thank you for keeping us together and keeping us informed. happy easter. >> tucker: happy easter. that's it for us tonight. we hope you have a great evening

with the ones you love, even if they are not in your immediate vicinity. we will be back tomorrow night. sean hannity takes over from new york in about seven seconds. hey, sean. >> sean: seven, six -- that was a great message with the cardinal. tucker, great show as always. welcome to "hannity." major progress in our fight against covid-19. facts without fear. if the current pattern holds, coronavirus could be leveling off as we speak. that means it would be followed by a dramatic decline, again that the models hold. one frequently cited model which predicted a death toll -- remember, without any travel bands, quarantines, any mitigation, would've been 2.2 million, as high as 2.2 million americans dying, and we have the big signs, 240,000, that was revised down to 81,002 days ago. then they revised downward again