laura, thank you. that does it for us here on "america's newsroom." ed? >> ed: yeah, we've been together for the beginning of this crisis. every little day it seems like you're getting a little bit of progress. we hope it keeps going, sandra. >> sandra: absolutely. thanks for joining us, everyone. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert. an influential scientific model dramatically scaling back now the projections for the overall death toll from the coronavirus in the united states. the white house is applauding the american people for that major development, calling it proof that social distancing is paying off. right now, let's take a look at the numbers we watch each day. those of confirmed cases across the globe are now above half a million. again, though, we focus on a hopeful projection today. the university of washington's model now predicting 60,000

americans will die from the pandemic by august 4th. but that number is down by 26%, compared with just one day earlier. that model also predicts this sunday, easter sunday, will be the day the u.s. death toll peaks. that is four days sooner than first expected. president trump sounds optimistic that the u.s. will beat initial predictions. watch the president. speak of those with the numbers that were set. they were set as an expert , expedition for quite a while ago. those were original projections. we don't want to say anything about beating it yet, but i think we will have a very good chance to beat them very substantially. >> harris: this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy yourself. new york city physician and fox news contributor, dr. nicole saphier. joining us in the center seat,

or center box, virtually, pete hegseth, host of fox & friends on the weekend, author of the upcoming book "american crusade: our fight to stay free." he is "outnumbered." i know there's a lot of medical news today that is popping. i'm going to start with you, though, pete. this is something you been covering. we've been covering it together. you on "fox & friends." that we would get to a point where we could even begin to talk about a light at the end of the tunnel being closer than we might have thought. >> you're absolutely right, harris. the medical professionals have been talking about the data. you heard of the instincts of the president, and he's right. he wants us to reopen as quickly as possible. when you see evidence like this, listen, we still know the peak is on the horizon. it gives us hope that a plan can be put together, and the talk of a second task force to focus on that is critically important. i also think we can step back a little bit and say these models have been wrong.

i hme out of the university of washington has repeatedly overstated it. that might be tied to the fact that we learned just today in multiple reports that covid-19 arrived on our shores much sooner than we thought. in fact, new research says possibly in new york by mid-february. i've heard reports of sooner than that, in the winter. we have a mobile robust immunity than we think it thanks to chinese lies and duplicity, whih continues. i don't know where we are in the curve. hopefully herd immunity might be closer than we think. i want to be optimistic, but we have to keep taking the measure to be prudent to flatten the curve, no doubt about that. >> harris: i started with you for that optimism. he said a couple things, i want to ask and follow-up with dr. saphier about. that's the models and what they are looking at. our behavior has been a game changer. whether they were right, they were overblown, whatever the

situation was, we have the ability to control a little bit of our destiny, dr. saphier. >> dr. saphier: harris, let me tell you, first of all i love pete talking about being prudent about social distancing and washing his hands. if one thing came out of it, it's that pete is going to wash his hands more. all of a sudden i feel like i've accomplished my life goal. >> pete: [laughs] >> dr. saphier: that being said, the models are wrong. the reason they are wrong is because the american people are so wonderful. we are actually doing what we need to do to stop the spread of this virus. they are taking measures for themselves, their families, their community, and their nation. because they're doing it, they are proving all these models wrong, all these scientists wrong. saying we can do this, we can come together, we can make this happen. because redoing that come that's what you see the peak deaths sooner. we are seeing decreased hospitalization, icu admission, people being part of the latest. people are doing the right thing. we will get over this and start opening up our economy sooner than projected because people are doing the right thing.

>> harris: you know, kennedy, over at fox business i also hear the same caution. this was the second question i had that came out of everything, what pete said was so optimistic. but even pete cautioned, "you're not going to fling open the door on the economy." and we can't do that in terms of our own health. if we go back to where we were just a few -- what, 39 days or so ago, who's to say that we won't create some of what we've already seen? so we don't want to go backwar backwards. >> kennedy: you don't want to go backwards, you don't want to go to to square negative one or square negative two. that would be horrible. my question for dr. saphier is, you know, we are hearing so much information. p kind of touched on this, as well. it's difficult to keep track. now we are hearing the death toll projections -- thank god -- are going down by about 20,000 americans who will be spared, from 82,000 and that university of washington study that pete cited to 60,000 pay that's

better news, but you're also hearing the virus can spread -- the average person who has a virus can spread it to about 5.7 people as opposed to the flu, which is spread to about 1.3 pe. it's very confusing. i'm also hearing about herd immunity. the difference between a lot of people having to have a mild version of this, which you can't have with social distancing, and that's fine. you want to keep people alive and safe. it affects people so differently. what's more likely? what outcome is more likely, dr. saphier, that we will see this herd immunity or that we will have a vaccine for something like that cannot truly take place? >> dr. saphier: that's a great question, kennedy. the truth is, there is such a dichotomy here. on one hand, we want to get herd immunity. we know about 85% of people will have mental illness, if they have any symptoms at all. 15% will require hospitalization. we are to make sure people aren't going to the hospital. is it worth it to allow that 85% to just have their mild illness and get it over with?

may become a bit if you do it that way, you are going to have people die. we don't want that to happen. here's the one problem that i do have, that we aren't 100% certain that a single infection will come for immunity. that's the going theory right now, but we don't know for certain. a vaccine, i have said, is not our life saving thing. it's not going to happen until 2021. that's to help us for the next spike. i imagine we already have some form of herd immunity going round published right now. the only way for us to scan the population is with this antibody test. we know there many institutions. my alumni, mayo clinic, have started with theirs. they will go out and start seeing his been infected, who's been exposed. until we start randomly sampling people, and not just people we know have been exposed or have symptoms, we are not going to know how many people are already out there. if we see that a large swath of the population has already been

infected, has already had the antibodies circulating, that will push us to really get things going a little more. it'll tell us we can go back to work and tell us which areas of the country are able to lessen their social distancing measures. it's a very fine line of whether we want to promote herd immunity or we want to hunker down until we have a vaccine read the truth is, i don' think we will be a me along the lines of herd immunity than anything. for people who don't go into the hospital in icu, there is a high mortality rate for people being put on a ventilator. we need to get those treatments to the forefront. it would have many studies going out to try and test those effectively. we have biologics, antivirals, the hydroxychloroquine and the answer my azithromycin accommodation.doct. they can't be limited to the hospital settings. everything is going to the hospitals. >> harris: right, and the

president has been asked about us he is talking about will be made available on the federal level. dosages, so on and so forth. especially with that third combination he mentioned, hydroxychloroquine and as the pack, if you will. i want to get to this. there's a new development, the novel coronavirus may have been spreading much faster in the beginning than what we know. we were just talking about, pete and kennedy, how much did or may have been here. now we will talk about that thing that kennedy touched on, that contingent level. a city by the los alamos national laboratory found each person infected during the initial outbreak in wuhan, china, likely infected estimates of health experts, including those of the world health organization who have predicted a single person would pass the virus to about 2-2.5 people. and, as kennedy mentioned, by

comparison, patients with the seasonal flu and checked about 1.3 people. so, that contagion is still something, as we talked about people going back into work settings, weeks or maybe months from now -- we don't know what time you will be yet -- if that doesn't change, that's also something to do with. melissa? >> melissa: well, i'm not a doctor, obviously, and i would want to ask dr. saphier, but to me that would mean that more people than we know have the antibodies and have built up some sort of immunity to that. that would be good news, i would think. how much of the antibody do you need to be immune to the next round, dr. saphier? is there, like, a threshold? is that something we can test for? where the heck are these tests? i'm ready for mine. >> dr. saphier: [laughs] well, let me tell you, there is not necessarily official. there's either presence of the antibodies where they or not. whether or not that will be a lifelong immunity is going to be a long-term immunity, for a few

years, or short-term immunity, we don't know and we won't know for a while. that's what i want to the focus on people who are extremely ill. a far majority of us will just be -- the world health organization originally told us there wasn't even human to human transmission, let alone infecting 1-2 people. the information we've been getting with this virus has changed by the day. we already knew it was going to be more infectious than the flu. they were saying it could be one person or 2-3, now they are saying it's 5-6. still not as infectious as, say, and measles virus. the bottom line is this is a highly infectious, highly contagious virus. we obviously can see that right now with the amount of people being infected. this is why the cdc is putting forth those new guidelines that just came out last night, saying that we need to get our front-line workers back to work. by saying anyone who has been exposed to somebody with a positive test now needs to

self-quarantine for 14 days, that is really restrictive to the amount of people who can go into work. especially health care workers and everybody else on the frontline. they have said they can go back but they have to wear a mask, check their temperature, and still socially distance when they are at work. you know what that tells me? that's the first step for what we are going to be seeing at other businesses. because they are acknowledging this is a highly contagious virus that a lot of people will be a some demotic with the viral infection, but we need to get people back to work. this is the way they're going to do it, and they are going to start with front-line workers to make sure the health care system is not overrun. they are doing it slowly, but they're also doing it very smartly. >> harris: well, and some people have been so brave along the way. we talk a lot about health care workers, but those people who keep us going on a daily basis, like grocery store workers and others at pharmacies, they don't get a break. perhaps by being able to fold and some of us who have been exposed and have some antibodies, to go back to work in those settings, can relieve

some of those people who have been on the front lines for so long. i don't want to glaze over the death count, because it is still spiking. new jersey, new york, the two states that lead the nation. real quickly, doctor, what could we see if, in fact, we haven't hit the peak? in new york, for existence , new york governor cuomo was just talking about that. it's still coming. potentially tomorrow could be the apex. potentially sunday could. i'm just wondering, what do we steel ourselves for at this point? >> dr. saphier: the reason they are saying and apex is because they are seeing fewer people being admitted to the icu. the people they are potentially going to see diane the next couple of days are the people who have been in the icu now for several weeks. they've been on the ventilator for several weeks. people don't stay on ventilators indefinitely. there is a time when you start weaning them off. they're either going to get better or they're not going to get better. they anticipate, over the next couple of days, as some of this

people come off the ventilators they will be seeing more deaths. but the reason they say that is going to be the peak, and there will be fewer deaths after that, is you have fewer people needing to go into the icu. although these numbers are extremely grim and devastating, six deaths are far too much. the bottom line, the efforts of staying home and the mitigating community spread are working. which is why they can project that this will be the peak. after this, we will see fewer deaths because there are a few people needing to be i in the i. >> harris: makes perfect sense. i mean, it is heartbreaking. nearly 2,000 people in the united states yesterday alone to perish. what you are saying is right on target with the logic. appreciate that so much. okay, everybody, sit by. the senate failed to pass an additional $251 billion in small-business relief. so, where to be go from here with this? ♪ with va mortgage rates suddenly

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>> we need to patch holes as we see them and keep moving forward together. this does not have to be, nor should it be, contentious. >> melissa: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell pleading with democrats to pass an additional $251 billion in small business relief. a few moments later, democratic senator ben cardin did, in fact, block that bill. he, along with senator chris van hollen, offering alternative legislation which includes protections for minority owned businesses and extra funding for health care providers. mcconnell, objected to their proposal, leaving the chamber at

an impasse paid all this, as we learn a staggering 6.6 million more americans filed for unemplt last week. that means roughly 10% of workers in the united states. 10% have lost their jobs and just the past three weeks alone. kennedy, i will start with you on this. as we watch the back and forth, one of the things that democrats were trying to get in is this idea of something called the heroes fund. it essentially give a bonus of up to $25,000 to anyone who had a job. this included people at private companies, like amazon, like duane reade. they've been forced to increase demand for their services. that's a market working. and i they've had to raise wages to $70 an hour, $34 an hour, for overtime. why should taxpayers -- although these folks certainly deserve extra money for risking

themselves -- and that come from the company they are working for as opposed to from taxpayers? there are so many unapplied people right now. what are your thoughts? >> kennedy: yeah, this is most interesting. when you have these massive spending packages, with very little vetting. there's not a lot of time. so few voices in congress right now who are being at all skeptical about how this money is being used and if it's being used inappropriately by these giant corporations. when you talk about people who are out of work, you talk about people who aren't going to recover from this quickly. it's not places like target and duane reade at amazon, like you pointed out. at small business owners. people who do jobs like personal trainers who have to go from client to client whose livelihood is complete they shut down. that is always what happens. big business and big government, they are the easiest ones because they have so much money and so much access to get to the trough first. i'm sorry, but they are not the ones who need this immediate

protection. i also worry about the corruption and the long-term consequences of some of this. >> melissa: m, pete, say you did want to help absolutely everyone. the straightforward, honest way to do it would be to give everyone a federal tax holiday for four months. that's one of the things republicans have proposed. that would be money in everyone's pocket today. they would stop taking away the money that all of us out there have earned, and taking it to washington to redistribute. if you really cared about helping all these people that are working, why not have a temporary tax holiday as opposed to having the government collect up all the money and then go lit back out the way we've seen? people haven't gone there checks that they are supposed to be getting the relief for. it takes too long to send it to washington and get it back. >> pete: i love a permanent tax holiday. but it certainly makes sense right now to do that kind of temporary tax holiday. absolutely right. republicans should push that

message. money in your paycheck, and your wallet now. i also live what mcconnell has done. he got an out front of democrats who wanted another multitrillion dollar grab bag bill that they can throw everything into. he said, "i want $250 billion, i want it targeted to small business." the first tranche works. the contrast of the obamacare website, which took years to build and didn't work on day one. the trump administration put together a small business loan program where there was a little bit of confusion at the beginning of who qualifies and who doesn't, but ultimately, small businesses have been able to access this money and keep their people on the payroll, and it worked. that is the type of thing republicans should continue to declare and do. listen, democrats can try and throw gunk into the middle of this. i think president trump and republicans stand on very high ground if they say this is targeted, for the businesses that need it the most. >> melissa: harris, i would push back a little bit on what pete said. because i know i've seen the

numbers of how many small businesses have gone these loans. but i have yet to actually meet anyone myself who has gotten the money. every day on my 4:00 p.m. business show we sit there and interview people who have filled out all the paperwork and are desperate for the money and are going under, and aren't able to get that money. i think that any sort of government bureaucracy, any time you are trying to get this huge federal government to help people, it is going to take time and it's going to have potholes. which is why it makes so much more sense to just let people keep the money that they are earning in the first place. that's the quickest way to help. your thoughts? >> harris: art laffer, formerly of the reagan administration, had him on this week. he said, "look, when i give that -- close to what you call that a tax holiday. "a tax break until the end of the year." he said, you could literally help people out during the time we know we will need it most. that is a huge gap filler between now and where we could start to see maybe a glimmer at

that point of the vaccine or some of these other remedies that help supportive care along the way. treatments along the way, reall. melissa, he would be in complete agreement with you. he actually put a date on it. in terms of what the sba and banks have been able to do, i'm not sure historically we have ever seen this many people out with the need for help. i mean, they employ 66%. they do hiring. 66% in the economy, the employees that we know of our small business. whether they are really tiny, little bit bigger than that and they employ a few more people, whatever the configuration is, from two employees on up to whatever the line is for them, now we are seeing almost everybody jump in. it's been long enough now that most people are beyond that point where they can carry payroll after payroll without having income and revenue.

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>> harris: president trump is taking a cold, hard look at what we spend on the world health organization had now come of the head of that global agency is warning against politicizing efforts to defeat the coronavirus. watch. >> please, don't politicize this virus. if you don't want many more body bags, then you will refrain from politicizing it. no need to use covid to score political points. no need to. it's playing with fire.

>> harris: wants the president's response. >> look, we spent $450 billion, $452 billion, almost $500 billion last year. hundreds of billions of dollars previous years. they've got to do better than that. they've got to do better. when you talk about politics, i can't believe he's talking about politics prelook at the relationship they have to china. >> harris: kennedy, i come to you on this. you know, we want to help out the world. the president is laying it out in dollars. is it politics, as the w.h.o. head is accusing him of? >> no, i think he's just trying to find cover in that. the president does have a point. why was the w.h.o. disseminating china's talking points about the virus when they very clearly had been adulterating the numbers? they had been punishing doctors,

physicians, and scientists who were coming out trying to warn some of their coworkers and people across the globe that this was coming. it's very serious, it's a credibly contagious. you have the head of the w.h.o. saying, "there's no human to human transition." granted, it's very easy now with the data we have and the data that's emerging every single day to have a clearer picture. it is a little unfair to apply that in hindsight for something where there were so many unknowns. there were so many variables here. but i do think calling it politicization is simply defensive cover. there does need to be some accountability from all bureaucracies and government institutions that have, on some level, failed, including our o own. >> harris: well, they are definitely talking about it on capitol hill. republican senator tom cotton weighed in. let's watch. >> i'm disgusted by that kind of threat from some two bit, third-rate international bureaucrat. that's why he needs to be fired.

frankly, he needs to be investigated so we can find out just how deeply in china's pocket he is. >> harris: pete? >> pete: amen. the only ones trying to do score political points on covid-19 are the communist chinese. they were never truthful, they haven't been truthful. now they are trying to reshape the narrative that it didn't come from china at all, which, of course, has been equally dumb i can easily debunk. this guy is a globalist propagandist. he is either wittingly or unwittingly spewing chinese propaganda and proactively disseminating it. i know there was a lot of confusing at the beginning. i get it. he should be pointing fingers at the chinese. instead we are funding the u.n., the w.h.o., we more than china is. what are we getting for it? i have long been an advocate for scrapping the u.n. altogether. it doesn't serve our interests a day and we can form our own

organization of like-minded republics. i don't know why we -- >> harris: not to leave everybody out at this point, but to hear how strongly you feel, and you feel, kennedy. i want to ask you both a follow-up question. i'm curious. we are reading today that we are going to be looking at almost half a generation in loss for putting more people around the world in poverty. like, 10%. that's a lot of people to suddenly slide into a place where they haven't seen almost in a generation. so, i ask you, where do we make up the difference there? i hear what you're saying about the w.h.o. you throw in there the u.n., everybody else. pete, i will come to you first. >> pete: china should pay. china should pay up. they're going to fight it on every level, but whether it's debt -- and we should make them pay. by bringing back or manufacturing of trinkets from china back to the united states. critical supplies, of manufacturing, back to the united states. we can absorb that quicker than

china can. they have a state run economy come ultimately. we can bring them to their knees. they are not our friends. they are communists who seek global domination, and they want to use something like this to do it. so, calling them out and staring them down is the right thing to do. the president has done that and i believe he will continue. >> harris: as promised, kennedy, i will come back to you. >> kennedy: i look at some of the successes of individual researchers and physicians across the country who, even though they were hamstrung by the cdc and those archaic, incredibly unfair guidelines, there are still doctors like they are like a doctor in washington state testing flu swab she administered to patients were coronavirus. at the time there were only very few people who were given those tests. private hospitals and private individuals, hopefully in the future -- that's what we have to ask ourselves. where do we go from here? there was plenty of time for name-calling and a postmortem, but we really have to figure out

how we best equip as a society. we do have to give a lot of credit to individuals and the private sector for stepping to the plate here. >> harris: real quickly, melissa, pharmaceuticals is one of those areas where we could begin to do some stuff at home and take it out of china's hands. you and i have talked about th that. >> melissa: no, it's absolutely true. we do have to bring our pharmaceutical supply chain back home, and this is a big reason for it. i think in terms of the w.h.o. we rely on them as a neutral arbiter of what's going on out there, in terms of help. they are allowed to go into countries and collect data when other countries, you know, don't want to let -- it was a real disservice. they said early on that china was being completely transparent when they for sure were not. they also criticized the president on the fly ban here to the u.s. from china, saying that what he was doing was

stigmatizing the disease, stigmatizing chinese people, when really that is one of the things that saved us, and it's one of the things that so many countries put into place after that. so, they fell short on at least two massive spots there. i don't think they have any credibility left. so why in the world we fund them? >> harris: i went back to what sounded like a threat. body bags if you politicize this. i just put that out there. okay, the stock market is surging again, picking up where it left off yesterday. president trump reportedly prepares to announce a second coronavirus task force aimed at reopening the economy. >> it would be nice to be able to open with a big bang and open up our country, or certainly most of our country. ♪ veterans, how can one phone call save you $2000 a year?

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>> melissa: president trump is reportedly preparing to announce a second task force as early as this week, focusing on easing the economic impact of the coronavirus. this, as the president's aides have reportedly begun intensive discussions on a plan to reopen the economy as soon us the start of may. the center stared seema verma weighing in on this >> i think the task force has been committed to making data-driven decisions. we are telling the american people, "let's all follow 30 days to slow the spread, so we can get through this quicker." may 1st, that would be -- obviously we hope that would come, but i think it's too early to identify a specific date. that being said, the president has been very clear that he wants us to get through this as quickly as possible. >> harris: meantime, stocks continue to climb as the fed announces that more than $2 trillion in new and expanded

lending programs to shore up the economy. dr. saphier, let me ask you. one of the reasons we seen stocks really rally today is said chief jay powell came out and said he thinks the economy could rebound in the third and fourth quarter, which seems really optimistic to me. that's predicated on the idea that we can get people out and back to work, and that they continue to do the good work they are doing now, staying in. what is a safe way we can get people back out into work at? is it doing the antibody testing? what is the formula, do you think? >> dr. saphier: well, i think it's going to take a lot of factors. one thing that does set to president trump separate for the rest is he's equally focused on maintaining our economic stability of our country as well as keeping the health of our nation. to get people back to work as what they are trying to do right now. the cdc recommendation yesterday saying we are going to get our front-line workers back with these new efforts, wearing the masks and continuing to socially

distance and potentially check temperatures, this is step one to getting people back in the workforce. again, as we've discussed, this is a highly contagious virus. there are some people who will end up in the hospital with this, so we need to make sure we are doing this as smart as possible. we can't just throw all throw social distancing measures away and pretend it didn't happen. we don't know if the warm weather will decrease the spread of this virus. the truth is, we have no idea. we want to get people back out there, whether or not they will be wearing masks, i don't know. a lot of hand washing. we are already doing that. the numbers are telling us these efforts are working. we can't just all continue to stay in our homes. we have to take the information that we've already been doing, what we've been doing, and now try and translate that into getting out in the public again. maybe what they did earlier on in new york, limiting the amount of people who can be in a restaurant at a time or limiting the number of people at gatherings. maybe it will be limited to a 200 person bash. these are things we look at right now while we still deal

with covid-19. we don't have proven treatments, we don't have a vaccine yet. we can't just stay hunkered down until we have of those things. we have to start getting people out there. we need to do it smartly and continue practicing social distancing measures. we have to get those antibody tests out there. not just for people who have been exposed. we need to start randomly sampling the population s so you have an idea if there are areas where herd immunity has already taken effect. i believe this virus has been circulating in the united states since january, and maybe people were thinking it was flu. a lot of people get the flu and they don't actually get tested for it. the truth is, we don't know. there's lot of information that we don't know. all we can do is what's best with the information we have, and i do see continue social distancing. but we also need to come at the same time, keep our pulse on the economic future of our country. that is why we need to slowly start opening things up. >> melissa: kennedy, the government, give them credit, they found everything at this. the federal reserve, to any sort

of -- anything they can parsley two. you can't bring week i economy back of the customers they need their customers back out there. nothing else is going to heal the economy. your thoughts on that? >> kennedy: you're absolutely right. people have to have the confidence to go out and spend money on basic everyday things. i think dr. saphier is right. it's like coming back from an injury, when you're in a boot or a cast when you broken a foot. when you're out of commission for eight weeks, you don't come back and run a 10k. you run 5 minutes on the treadmill. he walked the rest of the time and do very slowly. i think that's right. we are going to have to ease back, and people are going to have to get their sea legs under them as we finally set sail and get this economy going again. you do need that confidence of

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>> melissa: the cdc is out with new guidelines for health care workers and other essential employees. we've been touching on it. we're going to go deeper now. some of them may have been expose themselves to covid-19. the guidelines include "take your temperature before work, wear a face mask at all times. practice social distancing as work duties permit, and don't say it work if you become sick." cdc director dr. robert redfield says this is an important first step in the reopening of the economy. watch. >> one of the most important things we can do is keep our critical workforce working. what cdc has done, we've really looked at the essential workforce, how to maintain that workforce. particularly at this time, as we begin to get ready to reopen and have confidence, bringing your workforces back to work.

>> harris: melissa, i guess my first question would have to be, this is different from what we were even told a week ago. i know things are changing day by day, but how will businesses be able to keep up with this? not anybody can give you 6 feet of space. >> melissa: no, it's really true. i think that's why it'll be all about the testing and the random testing, to understand, when somebody has antibodies, at that point are they so contagious? and they give it to other people, can they donate their plasma and help other people? are they safe to go back to work? they won't give it to people or get it from people. we need that answer. i think another really important thing this whole situation has highlighted is that, when you look at the cases and the difference between -- was the difference between people who get this and get very sick, and those who get it and get over it? that's a huge question, that we haven't gotten to the bottom of. a lot of it has to do with, i think -- or at least one factor -- those comorbidities.

the underlying conditions. with some people, they say they are otherwise healthy, and they got very sick, that they had underlying conditions they didn't know about. like diabetes, like hypertension, like heart conditions. >> harris: very true. >> melissa: it sends a message to all of us that we need better while care in this country. many people have access to good health care so they can stay healthy when they think they are healthy. it this is especially true among the working poor. we need to be able to have access, to have regular checkups and to learn, "hey, i'm diabetic and i didn't know it." that's one of the factors that has really hurt a lot of people who came down with this and ended up in the hospital. they didn't know they have these other conditions because they didn't have adequate health care. >> harris: pete, as melissa is saying that, that gets us into policy, the stubbornness of politics on capitol hill, in an election year, a presidential election year. it gets collocated. her point is well taken. you are now seeing you reveal,

if you will, of where a lot of people who are vulnerable to covid-19 and their health care management. >> pete: yeah come on the health care side -- dr. saphier can lay out the way things have changed on that, no doubt -- in the workplace be viewed and seen at the fox news channel , it's common sense or crush on how you do business in this era. it creates a bit of a new normal, which is good. just after 9/11, after a couple of years, i'm sure that will change and slide a little bit. being cognizant of who you are next to come healthy you are. it's going to take courage and common sense open back up. another president will emphasize that. we can come we just got to be smart. >> harris: i just wrote that down. courage and common sense. alliteration, and to make so much sense. we coming right back. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> melissa: i want to thank pete hegseth and the rest of the virtual couch. today's stocks are higher. it's a good day to come join

fox business and watch the close of markets as we react to some positive news on the coronavirus and the idea that we might turn this around. the economy around, by the end of this year paid maybe in the third and fourth quarter. come join us at 4:00. we'll be back here on the couch at noon eastern tomorrow. here's harris. ♪ >> harris: you're watching "coronavirus pandemic: questions answered." i'm harris faulkner. the united states is seeing a new deadliest day of coronavirus-related deaths. that happened yesterday. now, two back-to-back days of more than 1900 people perishing. more than one in four coronavirus deaths occurred over the past two days, as the total closes in on 15,000. the epicenter, as we know, is new york. close behind, new jersey. also seeing its darkest days in this fight yet, in terms of that death toll. another single day record of