tomorrow night at 7:00. good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." this past week has been the worst week for coronavirus in the united states but there was reason to hope that this could be the worst week we experienced. and from here on out, coronavirus will diminish in part. we don't know that that's true but the new number suggested might be for that. >> we've heard so much about the death toll peaking, and so far you say the numbers appear to be ucon target. we've now had two consecutive days with more than 1800 fatalities. in fact 25% of all american

coronavirus deaths have been in just the past two days.av university of washington's ih me model which is often cited by the coronavirus task force and often wrong now says the u.s. will hit easter sunday andir tht will be the apex of coronavirus deaths with an estimated 2200. deaths are then projected to keep going down until we get to zero on june 14. in the meantime, new york remains the state of most concern. new york with 160,000 confirmed infections now has more cases than any foreign country. although it's notable, the number of people being hospitalized and going into the icus iniz new york is down. that is a key indicator of flattening the curve. a number of states are now extending their stay-at-home mandates. georgia's will last until april 13. indiana, aprilat 20. colorado april 26, new york april 29. michigan, illinois, pennsylvania, louisiana and new mexico's mandates expire on

april 30th. ohio is now may 1st in massachusetts and washington state on may 4th. finally we should note thatng california and washington state are showing more signs of flattening their curves. hospitalizationsg and hospitalizations nicu rates for for both states coming down fairly significantly. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks so much. we get updates like that every night for several weeks and we've done our best to keep up-to-date e on what's happening in this pandemic. the past few days the truth has seemed like a swiftly moving f target. some of the big numbers have been changing most day by day and others appear to contradict each other. in other cases, information just as incompleteos and won't be foa while. it's all happening very fast. at this point a couple of trends are coming into focus. first, an awful lot of people are getting sick from this illness, tens of thousands of new infections every day and some of them are dying. it's horrifying to watch. but there's also a brightness on the horizon, a forecast that

many of us did not expect. estimates on the final death toll have been revised dramatically downward and dr. tony fauci acknowledged as much today. >> do you think the number of fatalities in this country will be significantly lower than the 100,000-240,000 first projected? >> i do. i believe we are going to see a downturn in that and it looks more like the 60,000 than the hundred or 200,000. but having said that we better be careful that we don't say we are doing so well that we can pull back. >> tucker: 60,000 deaths is a very big number. if someone you love is among them it's everything. but at the same time it's far fewer than many expected. it's a much lower number and we want to be as honest as we can about this. wthen we predicted on this show for example, this is one of those cases where we are grateful to be wrong. not just wrong about the death toll but the number of infected patients who need to be

hospitalized has also been way below early estimates. we feared that a massive wave of desperate people struggling to breathe would overwhelm her health, hospitals and break our health care system, that was a primary concern. but so far it hasn't happened. instead something completely unexpected appears to be taking place. across the country, health care workersng are being let go or furloughed. elective procedures have been canceled and that means there is no patience for them to care for. hospitals are running short on cash. in new york city and entire hospital has been close except its emergency room. elsewhere, hospitals are sittins half empty or empty thanks to a lockdown meant to ease pressure on hospitals. that's a story none of us expected to see. it's all pretty shocking given what we had suspected but the weirdest thing of all is how little attention this is all getting.li in a crisis nothing is more important than staying connected to reality. facts change very fast and it's

easy to miss them. instead you get trapped in a story line that you created weeks or months before which is especially a temptation in the news business. but that's how terrible decisions get made. the people don't look up long enough to notice their assumptions were wrong. something like that might be happening now. some cases the people paid to bring you the very latest news seem utterly ignorant of what's actually happening and they deeply resent any attempts to bring them up to speed. watch this msnbc news reader schooled who dare suggest that observable reality has changed in any way from two weeks ago. >> let's make something clear. open for business is a sentiment, it's a sign. it's not real life. this isn't a snow day, we are going to decide a week from now or three weeks from now, all right, everyone tracked back to work. when you look at the unemployment number it's upsetting and it's jarring but it also means that americans ar going home which is what we need them to do. think about it. if he's mentioning this to

people in the agate community, if you runin a farm you cannot n the risk that the people you have out there working have the virus and are spreading it to someone else. this is very serious business and a perfect example of where the stock market and real life, and the real economy, are two very different things. >> tucker: sold 17 million people unemployed is actually a positive sign, they are telling you. that means that americans are doing "what we needpo to do." nsif you find yourself saying something like that out loud, w pause for a moment and listen to your own words, it means you've lost perspective. in this specific case we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt. americans are tired and fearful and frayed from weeks of uncertainty and sadness but that does not eliminate our obligation to think as clearly as we can because at some point we have to pivot from our current lockdown to whatever comes next and now is a time to figure out what that means. it's notot enough to harangue te public about how they are immoral if they don't like to be

shot inside all day, that's the easy path right now and not surprisingly that's what a lot of our politicians are doing. but the country deserves more p obviously. we have to be working hard to determine which parts of american life can return to normal, which cannot, and when? howar do you move a nation of 320 million people from isolation and joblessness back to something better? you don't hear many people talking about that in any detail but you should be. so we are going to start. going forward we hope to be a form on how all good ideas on how to bring america back and buy good ideas winning sensible, safe and incremental solutions. this is a complex moment and you should be aware of anyone who claims to fix it with thee slogan, that's impossible. other countries are already well down this road. next week the austrian government will allow most small businesses to reopen. hair salons and shopping malls will follow in early may.

the austrians are being careful about this and of course they should be. stores are being told to limit how many patrons come inside at once, wearing masks inside grocery stores and public transportation will be mandatory. travel will be sharply restricted for some time. america is not austria, we can't copy every move the austrians make and expect the same results but we can watch carefully and learn from what they are doing and what other countries have done and we should do that. we will continue to do that starting right now. don peeples is that democratic look donor and longtime business leader. founder of the people's corporation. we are happy to have you on. thanks so much for coming on. so without being hasty about this, many thousands are getting infected, many people are dying. but looking forward to how we can transition out of this, what do you think the best course is? >> well i think first of all we need a reality check. you just pointed out the fact that the projections continue to decline so they've been falling.

they've been incorrect. so we now know that there was a big overreaction here. so the first thing we need to do is people who are not at risk,ee they need to get back to work. they need to get back into moving this economy forward because that is the protector of our democracy. and then those who are at risk, those over 65, we can ask them to voluntarily selfre quarantin, to work remotely from home and do many of the things that they are doing now. and then expeditiously focus on treatment and obviously a vaccine. but there is a large portion of america who is ready, willing and able to get back to work and we need to get them back to work now. and we need to start more testing, which we are doing. theor president and the nation's government has been emphasizing this testing process, but we know that many people are not at risk and we have to get them back to work.

>> tucker: so you could debate a lot of the things that you justba said. i'm struck by how little debate there is over this, and the reaction to people who say what you just said in public. why do you think there is a enormous social pressure not to have a rational conversation about what to do next? >> let's sync about where we are and what environment we were in before the coronavirus hit. that was a very partisan political season leading up to a presidential election this november. so as a result of that there has been this perpetuation that there is somehow some false choice to make or some extreme choice to make and you either have to protect the nation's andomy or save lives prevent death from the coronavirus. that's a false question. the reality is we should be able to do both and i think the president wanted to start off doing both. and it was criticized. the 24-hour news cycle made this environment of hysteria and he

had to take steps to combination down first. i think that there is this environment to where you eitherr are choosing catholicism or ci -- capitalism or health. andt of course every life is important but our great democracy is bigger than all of us. in our way of life that so many millions of americans died to protect in wars, that is a critical part of our nation. and we need to protect that. and our way of life is at risk. if wee don't turn things around soon and to get this nation back to work, we are going to be in a recession that's going to take years, probably decades to climb out of. and it's unnecessary which is a sad reality. there is no need to be where we are right now. >> tucker: thank you so much for coming on tonight. it's talk to you. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: among the hardest

hit from these lockdowns are america's restaurants and the millions who work in them. but are there possible solutions between a total shutdown and business as usual? is there some kind of sensible middle ground or steps that we could take to lessen the risk to an acceptable level? maybe limit restaurant seating or more aggressive cleaning, i don't know. it is time to think this through. we welcome any and all ideas, but joining us tonight is chef robert irvine. he owns "restaurant impossible" on the food network. >> tucker: thanks for coming on. i think many people would be uncomfortable with the idea of every hooters franchise opening tomorrow and being packed but what's the middle ground between where we are now? >> first of all we have to get that money into the people's hands. the sba and government did a a good job getting the package passed but we have to get people that money into people's hands. number two, you know we are not

going back to full 300 seat restaurants. if you have a 300 seat restaurant, social distancing continues for a long time so therefore we have to look at profit and loss. how do we budget now? how do we look at our seating plans, our feeding plans, our food costs and labor costs, a break-even point. a restaurant like any other business has a break-even point and that's a huge thing when we come into business. you are right, people need to come back to work but it has to be done safely. cleaning. social media, cooking. menu development. changes. smaller menus, frequent turnover is.ia you know, we've got to let the customers know that it's safe to come into not only the restaurant but the stories at the same time. people are going to be scared,

and they are feel full, you said it, we don't know what's going on. i'm not a doctor, i know i want to get back to work. my life is about saving restaurants and that's what i've been doing. and i've been skype thing restaurants just before you, i skyped about six weeks ago trying to get them through this process. >> tucker: you could open restaurants tomorrow but they will still fail if nobody goes to them. are you convinced thatmo if your restaurant for example open tomorrow that you could make it safe and you could commence the public that it was safe so they would want to eat there? >> i think anyone can make a restaurant safe but it's convincing the public right now that you have all these procedures in place, the distance between them, the food is safe, the supply chain is safe. that's going to take a little biten longer. we all want to get out of cabin fever but it's going to be a slow dribble. it's not going to be open the doors and every once in the restaurant, it's going to take

time. but we need to start doing it. once we start helping people come up with a it's good enough to go, the country needs it. the small business, and that's what i have. i have a small business and all those mom and pop restaurants and mom and pop stores need business. we need money. that's the way the world goes around. so let's start doing it and do it smartly. listen to the experts but also let's d be smart when we say, okay, you can let 50 people in your restaurant over a two hour period, and then you have to adjust everything. all of our expectations, guest expectations we have to lay out clearly for them so they know what to expect. when they come into restaurants. >> tucker: when do you think -- obviously we are do bh guessing here but when do you think that this process might start to begin? >> i honestly say by the end ofh this month. if there are parts of the country that can open, they will open. i'm not saying new york city or

these heavily hit areas but i think there are places around the country that don't have such a bad covid-19 presence and we can start opening the smaller businesses to give the country the impression that it is coming back. again, it's going to be safe, but there is a fear of, now we come out with this covid-19 but we don't know what to do. do we have to wear gloves or a mask? to go to a restaurant? there has to be somebody getting information that's clear and concise and we do the right things. >> tucker: i think that's right. anc conveying the facts is essential. robert, thanks so much for coming out tonight, good luck. >> you are so welcome. thanks, tucker. >> tucker: it's will before anything happens we need widespread testing for this disease to know exactly where we are before we can get the economy back in action. we still don't have it. why is that and when are we going to get it?

we will tell you after the break. ♪

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low-level coronavirus cases and that would tell us a lot about the nature of the t disease. widespread testing would also allow us to randomize testing of the large population to give us a sense of how many people have it. more accurate information would need we would understand how severe this is and what the death rate really is. then finally deploying aun test for coronavirus antibodies would allow the public, many of them, to leave their homes and get back to work. ldwhy? we may find out that a lot of people have already had the coronavirus and build up immunity to it without even knowing it. we could find these people and they could help the people get back on track and then we would ndbe grateful to know that they are not going to get it. efforts to do all of this are ru well underway in other countries. a small german town near the dutch border had a relatively severe outbreak and they assumed over 5% of the town had been infected. after getting blood tests to the people there more than 15% had antibodies. the disease had spread three

times further than they thought. it was also about one-third as deadly as they thought.. we should know things like that in this country, it could help us in many ways. but we haven't done it because the federal government has repeatedly dropped the ball on testing. books will be written about this in the future. but for now it's enough to say they screwed it up, the cdc in particular. there appears to be no strategy to fix this, many states are acting on their own but even then standards are very different and if you live in various states, talk to her friends. you know some places it's easy to get test, others are turned away. some places get results quickly and other places they wait a week or more. we need a detailed plan for carrying out randomized testing and fixing the problems we just mentioned and finding out how much of the population is immune. the administration seems t to kw this and the president has promised that a plan to fix all this is on the way. what we will be doing in the very near future is going to certain areas of the country

and doing massive testing. it's not necessary but it would be a good thing to have. >> tucker: so that would make a very big difference. dr. marty mccurry as a medical contributor, and we are happy to have him on tonight. doctor, thanks for coming on. let me ask the baseline question. do you agree that large-scale testing is something we do to do before we do anything else? >> a missing piece of the puzzle tucker is how many asymptomatic people are actually immune and don't even know it? we don't know if that's 1% or 99% of coronavirus cases, it simply in an unknown and we can estimate that 20-50% of the voc population who got the virus may be a moon and have the antibody but that's a big missing piece ofof the puzzle. you know, the scientist who first identified the coronavirus released the genetic code and published it in a medical journal way back in january allowing anyone to run a basic

genetic test with any body fluid from anybody suspected to have the infection from around the world and see if it matches. and in fact that's what most of the world did. but our fda has a system where using these old regulatory rules insisted on sanctioning the test andsi we lost precious time when one of the original scientists submitted an application and was told that he had to submit it also by paper mail with a cd-rom with the files burned on it. we lost precious time as we dealt with those regulatory burdens. thank god president trump is cleaning house of the fda right now. >> tucker: it's so embarrassing, the country that conquered polio can't get a test online. so where do we go from here? how long do you think it will be before the average person who's got a fever and a cough can find out if he's infected before we can test large parts of the population?nd >> the first antibody test was

approved last wednesday and it was approved by a company that's actually based in china or has operations in china. iy hope many more companies wil follow. we will probably have another two or three week. but it may end up working out okay because when we hit the peak is when we want to start releasing people back to work in phases. and as long as they wear a mask for two weeks, do frequent temperature checks, low risk individuals can go back to essential services and that is as of last night. after we have thrown the kitchet sink at this virus so we can reduce the burden on hospitals then we will start green lighting people in my opinion starting with the lowest risk individuals. those who are young and healthy. we also will release people based on the antibody test.

so when that test comes back positive, that will be a green light. >> tucker: it will make such a huge difference. doctor, thank you for that. so here's something we never expected to happen. or maybe we should have expected it. some american companies are announcing huge new investments, not here but in china. why are they doing this? are they making the same investments here? what does it mean? how should you feel about it? we got details after the break. but first, a look at washington, d.c., tonight courtesy of martin gimenez. ♪ rtin gimenez. rtin gimenez. ♪

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on april 2nd. an intensive care organizations down slightly in california. and 1.9% declining but urged people not to read into it too much. california has reported just over 500 coronavirus deaths. a staggering 16 to 18 million americans lost their jobs in the past week. 6.6 million workers applied for benefits last week and the biggest and fastest loss of jobs since the u.s. began keeping record in 1948. i'm ashley strohmeyer and al back to "tucker carlson tonigh "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: so we told you at the beginning of the show that hospitals around the country are laying off or forgoing staff in the middle of a pandemic, that'p one story we never thought would bring you. and here's another. the economy is in turmoilha and millions of lost their jobs and annow some of the world's larget companies are stepping up to help china.

there were 25 million in wuhan over the next five years, they just want to help. starbucks meanwhile is spending more than a hundred million dollars building a roasting plant in the shanghai suburb of kunshan. it would be nice if they were doing that here. why aren't they? melissa francis, thanks so much for coming on. i get these are multinational companies in china, but a little weird to announcing our building roasting plant in china in the middle of a chinese pond -- spawned epidemic, no? >> there is a couple different things going on that you should be aware of. when you are looking at companies like walmart or starbucks what they are investing in is locations there to sell to the chinese people. they will sell that coffee theyo are roasting to people in china. they will open a walmart store in order to sell products to people in china. so if they don't do this, it's just lost revenue. it's not money they would be

spending somewhere else becausei this is with the end game l of capturing the consumer. what is interesting underneath all of this though is what the chinese government is doing to get companies who are sourcing things in china that way they will then sell elsewhere like in the united states, what they are doing to get those companies to stay. they've bent over backwards to try to get them to continue to source products they are whether it's automakers and they are trying to get glass or component makers. remember, one of the big things that we were fighting about in the trade war was the fact that if you wanted to get something from china you had to strike a deal that was so unfavorable to the outside companies, where you had to hand over your intellectual property or give so much of the profits. now suddenly on that front they are panicked because of two reasons. one because of the pandemic and to come because of the trade war. so they are trying to get companies to stay there. that is a big part of the story,

but other countries -- >> tucker: can i ask you a question? >> yeah. so walmart which is one of the biggest companies in the world and it's kind of transformed rural america, not for the better i would say. is there anyone at walmart that says, 70 million americans out of work, maybe we should make a symbolic effort, we are an wamerican company, maybe we cod do something for america right now just to kind of send the message that we are all in on america? why would they do that? o >> well i'm sure they are doing that, they are the ones trying to hire as many people as i possibly can and they are one sitting there with open jobs saying, come and join us. but them with the store in china, there is no trade-off in america. it's not like they were going to build one in america or china, it's not either/or. they are doing that to capture the consumer. they could i guess for philosophical reasons say we

will boycott selling stuff to china but thatll would just hurt their shareholders who are americans. but we need to do is bring the supply chain back which is what larry kudlow the national economic director was saying earlier today, that we will underwrite anybody who wants to bringho their factory back. he saying we have a proposal to say, look. you want to bring your plant back? you can immediately depreciate and that's the way -- that's a tax-free way to bring production back. that's a kind of thing you're talking about. don't build it in china, built talker. it here. >> tucker: i don't know enough about -- do you think, really quick since you follow this, do you think that will be enough to convince companies to move the supply chain? i'm certainly hoping. >> 100% because theov only thing that was better there was cheaper labor meant it's not even that much cheaper anymore. now you have a horrible outbreak and you have the cost of bringing things back and the tariffs. they wereri already coming back and that's why china is terrified.ba

they were already bringing it back. the danger is when we go down the road people are going to look backd. w w and say why aree giving these companies these huge tax breaks to move home? that's corporate welfare and they will forget this point that we need to get the supply chain out of china. that's how we got there in the first place. but tucker, you will stay on top of that and continue to remain companies come home. >> tucker: i hope we do that. >> remind companies to come home. melissa francis, thanks so much. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: so it's likely looking back will conclude that no organization has dishonored itself more thoroughly during this pandemic than the world health organization. in the early days of the fast spreading outbreak of the worldd health organization pulled a o series of lies at the behest of the chinese government that undoubtedly cost people their lives. w.h.o. told the world the virus could spread person-to-person long after it was perfectly clear that it could. the same moment, china was hoarding face masks and w.h.o. claimed face masks didn't help. in early february, w.h.o. was

still whining about the stigma of connecting the virus to the country from which it came from. they've done the bidding of their masters in beijing often at the expense of public health. this week the president has said hef is considering pulling funding from w.h.o. we are the largest donors. why? so we can be misled and more people can die? it's not clear why. the head of w.h.o. is a buffoonish villain right out of saturday morning cartoons. the so-called public health official once covered up cholera outbreaks in ethiopia for political reasons. of course, he is a public health official if you can imagine. you couldn't pick up or its candidate if you tried. now he's claiming that if the united states pulls funding, for the world health organization, we will have blood on our hands. >> please don't politicize this virus. o if you want to have many more body bags then you do it.

if you don't want many more body bags, then you refrain from politicizing it. >> tucker: don't politicize this, he bags. the ironing alarm goes off, as if tonight world health organization is refusing to help taiwan battle the pandemic. zawhy is that? politics. the chinese government doesn't like taiwan and the w.h.o. does whatever they tell them to do. just this week, tedros attacked them again. he claims some anonymous person said something racist about him online. he offered no evidence. this man is a joke, and embarrassment and a danger and we should not send many more u.s. dollars. thanks so much for coming on. so why is this -- i guess you could ignore an institution like w.h.o. in a normal time but in a

pandemic their failures are so obvious, why would we ever continue to abet them with american money? >> that's a great question, we sent $400 million a year over there to the world health organization and what did they do? they essentially accept wholesale for the chinese government has said not just about the outbreak but how they have dealt with it. then you have w.h.o., i essentially write monitoring -- laundering this information making it seem legitimate. the problem here is that the world health organization is an organization whose words are respected and thought of highly, not just here in the united states but other countries around the world. so the challenge when you have a respectable looking organization spreading these lies, it becomes a problem. >> tucker: i mean just put and some meat on this phone for a -- bone for a second. we are in the middle of a global

pandemic and taiwan can't gain admission to the worpolitics ofs taiwan havel interfered. you see china has always seem taiwan as a renegade province in the world health organization accepted that view. the politics would be one thing but the problem is in the current crisis, taiwan actually sounded the alarm on coronavirus in december. they actually wrote to the world health organizationn and said, this seems kind of strange, maybe you ought to look into it. by the way when you do tell the world rest of the world about it. for some reason they declined entirely to investigate these games. -- claims from taiwan. if it were just politics, i would be one thing but this is politics bleeding over as you said into public health. so it'sng accepting beijing's vw of taiwan, not only that but taking it and going one step further. not allowing anything that's coming from taiwan even with a legitimate question to be investigated and that unfortunately cost us time and

probably lives. im>> tucker: it's just shocking that they would do something like that.ob i don't know why this isn't a headline in "the new york times." it was great to see you tonight, i hope you come back. thank you. >> thank you. so a lot of things are happening in response to the pandemic we are living through. one of them is a big push for nationwide mail in voting. why are they telling you that? it could be an invitation for widespread fraud. we will talk about that, next. ♪ announcer: does your home wifi need a boost?

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♪ >> tucker: elizabeth warren's presidential campaign, the most annoying on record, expired some

time ago but she remains to lecture america and you, specifically on your shortcomings. her latest crusade inspired by the coronavirus is an absolute demand for nationwide mail inns voting. >> what's happening right now shows us exactly why we need a plan for voting safely during a pandemic. there is a simple fix to make sure that no american will have to choose between voting and keeping themselves safe and healthy. all states should allow americans to vote by mail. it's easy to vote by mail.g and in addition there should be online registration. extended registration deadlines and expand early voting. >> tucker: sounds kind of reasonable. they are less reasonable over on msnbc where one guest argued if thyou don't want mail in voting, you are a murderer. >> this thing in wisconsin is one of the most awful things i've seen in my life. just know the extent they will go to to hold on the power. it's all about one supreme court

seat, and they will kill people to stay in power, literally. >> tucker: literally. literally kill people. unless you that's your plan are elizabeth warren, elizabeth warren, you are literally killing people. literally, you have blood on your hands. so everyone's afraid and everyone's rethinking things, wondering if we should do it in a new way. and that's okay, we should bera open-minded. why haven't we had mail in ballots for the last 230 years? maybe the reason is, it's an invitation to widespread fraud and manipulation and if you want to rattle people's faith in the system we've had for centuries, maybe you would do that. i don't know. tom fitton has thought a lot about it. so it's just so interesting. in a moment like this people gravitate towards solutions that make you wonder, particularly when they all aligned behind one solution. it makes you wonder, why are they all for it? maybe it's a good idea and maybe

it's not but why are they all for it? do you think? >> i think they want to set up a system a that makes it easier to steal elections. they don't want to mail in voting the way people understand it. there are already widely available amps comic absentee ballots and voting and made available to americans and that obviously should maybe be more widely available if this contagion continues in the fall. but i don't like that because a lot of the states, or too many of the states actually require you to send an i.d. in with your absentee ballot. and they want to overturnui tha. so this plan is to overturn the voter i.d. laws in 35 states, have mailing -- we just sued in north carolina, about 1 million inactive voters. most people who hadn't voted since let's say 2014. so are we going to start mailing and active voters, people who died or moved away ballots?

that's an open invitation for ballote fraud and voter fraud. the safest way to vote if you want secure voting is in person, and private. when you take that away, it's anything goes. and of course they want to add ballot harvesting to it or they would allow third parties to go around and banging on doors and collect ballots. what a nightmare. you know, look. we are destroying our economy, limiting our freedoms and that we they want to blow up our elections and we can't let that happen, tucker. >> tucker: citizens should be allowed to vote. and you shouldn't make it too hard for them to vote. i actually agree with them on that, but if you care about democracy, you want to keep people's confidence that it's real. so you want to make sure that noncitizens aren't voting, for example but they want to do the opposite which tells you everything. tom, great to see you tonight. t

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efforts to protect the residents of our state from crime during a major crisis. that would've been nice, 90 morning the state was going to punish people for breaking lockdown. here is what the tweet said and we are going to quote it. "i just can't hear about one more black health care worker, police officer, or bus driver died while getting a barrage of complaints from white folks outrage because they can't go golfing." so here you have the state's top law-enforcement official race baiting during the biggest medical crisis in living memory. that's disgusting. and it's scary too. this is the person who controls the justice system in the state of michigan attacking people because of their skin color. hard to believe we have that in this country or put up with it. the drug country pfizer believes it may have found a medicine that could effectively treat the coronavirus. the company says human testing will not be given until august.

that seems like a long time from now. how come? marc siegel joins us tonight with details. hey, doctor. >> talker, listen: the company pfizer used to have an antiviral unit up until 2009. 11 years later, they are trying to put it back together and 50 researchers obeying social distancing from a number in the same room at the same time, has not discovered a very exciting new drug, which decreases viral replication and that's what a virus does. it keeps replicating and replicating until you end up having a big disease or problem with it. it's probably something called a protease inhibitor, protease allows the virus to keep reproduce. why are there clinical trials right now? maybe it is all due to the social distancing, but for sure we need the drug now and we need it sooner to than august.

there are 140 trunk around the world being tested for covid-19. one of the main ones you sent me from nebraska in february, as usually you were ahead of the curve, renda ceder made by gilead is about to be released. we don't know what the clinical trials show, but i have to tell you gilead has already made 1.5 million doses and they are getting ready to make more. we talked to the researchers action nebraska and those are the two main drugs we are focusing on tonight but there are many more in the pipeline. the one that pfizer seems particularly promising and we'd like to see clinical trials way sooner than august. tucker? spew to the reports, you reported on them, that regulatory drug testing, is that going now, do we know? >> that's got to be a part of it and by shedding a spotlight on

it tonight we can cut through that because the fda has already shown more recently that they are willing to put emergency overcoming the regulations in place. i would urge them to consider that here too. i don't know the particular drug. pfizer is testing several drugs. they have another one we use for arthritis that suppresses the immune system. it's called cell let me tell you why that's important. the pneumonia you get from covid-19 is an inflammation and it looks like this drug may suppress that inflammation. so i'm happy that what is being speeded but look where it's being speeded in italy. i think the fda needs to jump on these things and hasten clinical trials. we need a drug to right away here. >> tucker: you would think so. it's not just pannonia dominic pneumonia, it's your body's response to what that could end up getting you in the end. interesting and more important

than it's ever been. we appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: we are out of time. thank you for staying with us for an hour. we will be back tomorrow and forever after, we hope. have a happy night with the ones you love. sean hannity is next from new york. >> sean: great show as always. welcome to "hannity." his president and election team just released a blistering ad blasting joe biden for being soft on china. also tonight, mark levin fired up over the latest conspiracy theory being spewed over there at conspiracy television ms dnc. he'll join us in moments. but first, more positive signs from the state of new york. not great. still, people are dying. we want everyone to live. but hospitalization rates, they are now at their lowest point since the beginning of this crisis. in the state of new jersey, the number of patients on ventilators is decreasing. in