than it's ever been. we appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: we are out of time. thank you for staying with us for an hour. we will be back tomorrow and forever after, we hope. have a happy night with the ones you love. sean hannity is next from new york. >> sean: great show as always. welcome to "hannity." his president and election team just released a blistering ad blasting joe biden for being soft on china. also tonight, mark levin fired up over the latest conspiracy theory being spewed over there at conspiracy television ms dnc. he'll join us in moments. but first, more positive signs from the state of new york. not great. still, people are dying. we want everyone to live. but hospitalization rates, they are now at their lowest point since the beginning of this crisis. in the state of new jersey, the number of patients on ventilators is decreasing. in oklahoma, and hospital is

closing due to a lack of patience. in louisiana, we have an update from senator kennedy in a minu minute. numbers wednesday show fewer state hospitalizations, fewer patients on ventilators, and fewer new cases reported. deaths remain high in several hot spots but remember, experts have been saying that the death rate is the lagging indicator a precipitous drop of the patterns hold. if these trends continue, it appears covid-1 covid-19 is nowg off in the united states. the next step is what we are hoping for, dramatic drop. this country was now planned for a new massive challenge simultaneously. how do we safely get this economy up and running as quickly as possible? "wall street journal" pointing out based on the latest analysis from america's leading public health experts, politicians can stop comparing covid-19 to

world war ii. but can their war on the u.s. economy be halted in time to prevent irreparable damage? this country cannot print money indefinitely. that's just a fact too. at some point in the near future, safely businesses must reopen. americans must return to work. and to their credit, the american people want to get back to work. that's what they do best. but if we don't figure out how to do this quickly and safely, the country will see long-term economic suffering on a massive scale. we've got to prepare to transition to safely getting back in the workplace already. just this week, we've got more massive jobless numbers. keep in mind and this is important, whether or not this virus rebounds is not a question of if. the doctors are the experts. they are telling us that it will reemerge. we can prepare ourselves of th this. the question is how do we get americans back to work safely. the answer is not simple.

different communities all across the country. in many places with an ohio population density like new york city. masks, gloves, elbow bombs, compulsive hand washing will be the new normal for the foreseeable future. if we want to keep the country running's. the area with less density, it can be much easier. the real key doing the safely and successfully and is going to be testing for it we will be asking dr. oz tonight how do we open up america and prevent that rebound? incredible innovation by abbott labs and this is incredible testing. these guys deserve a lot of credit for this. this has not led to a task that can determine positive cases of covid-19 in as little as 5 minutes, negative cases around 13 minutes. the case is conducted on the lightweight platform as you can see there about the size of your toaster and to date abbott has the capacity to determine 50,000

results each day. soon they will be up to 2 million. if this is in new york and elsewhere, if we are careful implementing this abbott case, widespread testing, that capacity, we do need to increase it dramatically. that's going to be i think the tipping point in all of this. in the meantime, other measures could be digital temperature checks, telecommuting for those who are able. essential personal goal income and nonessential can work from home and do a great job. it's working on my team, my staff here at fox pitt widespread antibody testing can also be a critical tool getting americans back to work and as we move forward, it's critical that patient privacy, constitutional rights, civil cities, they must be protected. this is the united states of america. we have a constitution. there cannot be, and i have read people are afraid of any type of government record or government

database. there is no such need for such a privacy invasion. none whatsoever. medical privacy should be in the forefront. patient privacy protected. civil liberties much must remain intact. a major question remains even with these strategies, and how do we get people into restaurants again safely? how do they reopen their dining room doors? how about movie theaters question whatabout the airline industry? these are not simple questions here. how do we get every sector of the economy back up and running without jeopardizing the safety of the american people and subsequently some type of rebound? here with reaction from some of the u.s. coronavirus hot spots, louisiana senator john kennedy. all right, senator, you are sounding the alarm's yesterday. we are seeing better numbers, introductory trending down. give us an update in your state and are you getting everything

you need in terms of help from the american people, the federal government, the president, et cetera? >> thanks to president trump, we have gotten everything we need, including but not limited to ppe and ventilators. only about 20% right now are in use. our numbers are heading in the right direction. we still have to be vigilant, but while we save lives, we've also got to get started saving livelihoods, sean. we've got to get this economy back open. before the well-intentioned arugula and tofu crowd gets all looped up, i'm not talking about opening it monday, but we've got to get this economy going. government shut it down.

we've got some bad unemployment number is today. i wasn't surprised. i mean, this economy has been chewed up, spit out, and stepped on. it looks like a scene from "mad max." i think it'll be temporary and we've got to be smart about how we do it. the president is surely going to appointed task force to talk about how we do it. but austria is opening its economy. denmark is opening its economy, gradually, as we will have to do. germany is starting to open its economy back up. and we've got to start doing down my talking about how we have to do that here. i'm not saying to put the economy ahead of public safety. both of them are important. we know the coronavirus can kill you. but so can poverty. the american people, we where we are today in terms of public health because of the american people.

camus, the french as extensional as who wrote a novel in the 1930s, "the plague," the only way to find a plague is common decency. and the health care workers of frencfood workers, the people wg to stay home, but they are not willing to stay home much long longer. >> sean: do you agree with me -- look, i can't say enough about the company is, great corporations in this country, some often demonize like walmart, target, pharmaceutical. abbott's five five-minute test, to me, is the answer. because if you conclude that test, and central employees can get back. a city like new york it's going to be more complicated, restaurants more complicated, airlines more complicated. some people still telework, they work from home, they can do it

efficiently. some people go to the office, you have social distancing from a mask and gloves for a while as it's needed but it seems to me if we can test people quickly, we get millions of those machines around the country -- i mean millions. mass-produce these tests. that to me i think would preserve the health issues and get the economy up and running. i have about 30 seconds for you. >> we have to do two things. you are right. testing has to be cheap and accessible. you get a test when you want to. but number two, we've got to develop therapeutics. why are people afraid? not a because they are afraid they are sick, they are afraid that they will kill them. i think we will have therapeutics in a few weeks. people need to know that they can take minutes and that'll lessen the severity, then they'll feel safe and feel like going back to work. a lot of people are ready now. american people understand, sean, that doing is more

satisfying than having. >> sean: i want you to know, the country is praying for your state, just like mine, new york. we wish you the best. we want to get up and running, get the people of louisiana safe and secure. appreciate it. as the worldwide pandemic unfolds, americans have not been served well at all. how many times have i said? the last three and a half years, so-called journalists, i called in the media mob. they think in one voice and that is an extension, basically the party apparatus, the propaganda, the wing of the democrat radical socialist party. it's sad to, they've been hurting the country for the past three years and they continue this rage against donald trump. never ending, it's compulsive, the inaccurate reporting never worse than it is now. the partisanship never wears. a national disgrace having real consequences. it hurts the country. they don't seem to care for it let's look at a time line. three days before president trump declared a

public health emergency and announced a china travel ban and implemented mandatory quarantines, we can go right to the usual scum of the people who hated sean hannity and fox where they are getting it wrong as usual. "buzzfeed," an article: don't worry about coronavirus, worry about the flu. same day as the public health emergency, "vox" tweeting will this be a deadly pandemic? no. wrong. that'll be eric "pop the "donna" pimple, how our brains may coronavirus care than it is. accusing the president of using the coronavirus spreading fear and xenophobia, echoing the comments of the ever so confused presumptive democratic nominee joe biden. february 3rd, let's stay with "the washington post." why we should be wary of an aggressive government response

to the coronavirus. february 5th, "new york times." the same "new york times" that does not like me. ap's, "who says it's not safe to travel to china?" that was a dumb idea. the coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn't work anyway. great advice for the american people. let's go to "the daily beast," no fans of mine or conservatives. the coronavirus with zero american fatalities dominating headlines while the flu is the real threat. let's go to march 4th. fix news cnn telling their viewers to be more concerned about the flu then coronavirus. i think that was anderson cooper, the lead guy. two days earlier, andrew cuomo the leader of new york saying, this isn't happening to us, we are new yorkers, new yorkers are tough. turns out he prepared for nothing. without a doubt, the first critical months of this virus come in the media mob accused the president of overreacting. i will even say early on, it's understandable, considering we were all being lied to by the

chinese government. but of course, the mob races to racism for the president wasn't engaged? while they were impeaching him and the mob pushing the impeachment, the president implementing the travel ban they were calling xenophobic, hysterical, racist, and fearmongering. the president acted sooner than anybody ten days after the first diagnosed case, known case of coronavirus in the country. whilwow. how many more americans might've contracted the disease? how many more might've died? how wears this would've been if the president didn't act quickly with the ban, and subsequent bans. they played down the disease over and over again. we are beginning to touch the surface. take a look. >> people should be more concerned right now with the flu in the country. >> a lot of people concerned about the coronavirus because they are hearing a lot of it on the news but the reality

comparing it to be flu, it's not even close to being at that stage. >> you are telling us in the last hour, important contacts we need to keep this in and that is the flu is more deadly. >> this is one of the irony that i think always comes up with this. >> how worried should americans be about coronavirus? >> coronavirus is not going to cause a major issue in the united states. speaker half of the people in america do not get a flu shot. if you are free you should be more concerned about the flu and you can do something about it and get a flu shot. >> i'm not blaming them. facts change all throughout this crisis. but they were wrong. the president on january 31st were right. they can never say, i don't agree with him, he was right. the travel bans, the quarantines, it saved lives. how many? we'll never be able to calculate. naturally, right on cue, they shift their smear tactics. suddenly according to the mob,

instead of overreacting, the president was under reacting, now he's overreacting that they can't make up their mind. february 26th, the times rent another unhinged op-ed. let's call it trouble virus. if you are feeling awful, you know who to blame. big news cnn. let's call the trump virus trump's katrina. march 9th, "washington post," that it be eric "pop the" pimple's newspaper. it's trump's chernobyl. republicans xenophobia is going to make this pandemic much worse. over there at msdn c, one of their so-called genius conspiracy theorist saying tens of thousands of people will die because of trump's coronavirus incompetence. okay. make it up as you go along. forget facts, forget truths, forget there is a nationwide emergency. the media has been and continues to be obsessed with using anything to bludgeon president trump politically.

we do have an election in 208 days. do not think that's not playing a part in how they are thinking and what they are talking and how they feel. they don't want to cover the president's press conferences, important information. the american people in the middle of a pandemic in a national emergency. while back. they must really wow. they must really hate him a lot. >> more are still going to die because of donald trump's incompetence and lack of leadership. >> here we have a president exploiting a national crisis to move forward his own agenda, his own revenge, his own profit. >> he is still acting reckless and unward he still can't rise to the occasion! >> what we saw was a hijacking, the hijacking of a task force conference by a president rewriting the history of his early and were principally irresponsible response to this

virus. >> this wa was a 9/11 level faie of the federal government. it was. it needs to be covered and scrutinized that way. >> here in the united states we are still not doing what we need to do to fight this deadly virus because of a complete lack of leadership. >> sean: reckless, that would be the media mob and the democrats too busy impeaching to go along with the travel ban, the quarantine, the extra travel bans, the subsequent travel bans. some of the people in the media are rooting for the pandemic to get worse. they aren't helping it anyway. in reality the curve now shows signs of flattening. hospitalizations unthinkably going down. medicine from testing the treatment is catching up. here now, one former "new york times" reporter who believes that this has been overhyped. he's calling out the media's b.s., the author of "tell your children" alex berenson.

i will say this. i've been reading your twitter account, following you very closely like others are. you're pretty fascinating to me. you certainly are willing to say things that people find controversial and i don't mind. here's my question, though. if we didn't have the ban, if we didn't have the quarantines, if we didn't have the mitigation efforts, the numbers would be dramatically higher. you have to agree that's true. >> sean, let me say first of all. i am a registered political independent and i really do try to stay out of the politics of this. my concern about this the last few weeks, and believe it or not, i was extremely concerned about this a month ago, two months ago. my concern about this in the last few weeks as i'm trying to articulate on twitter is twofold, i would say. we were first told the reason we needed to lock down the country

was to flatten the curve and that really meant the hospitals in the united states would not be overrun. and there was talk that every hospital in the country, you know, would be out of beds, coming out of ventilators come out of icus. it is completely clear that outside of new york city, and possibly a couple of hospitals and a couple of other areas, that is not true. hospitals are actually emptier now than a month ago. there has been no surge. so that is. and b, the public health consequences as well as the economic consequences and the societal consequences of locking down the whole country have been massively understated. let me give you one example of that. kids, children -- almost anybody under 30 is at no risk to this. no serious risk. i'm not saying -- b1 's b1, hold on a second

>> sean: alex, that changed in the middle. everyone was telling us if you don't have a compromised immune system underlying issues, if you're younger you'll be fine. that changed. you look at the hospitalizations in new york, those numbers changed. >> by shutting down schools, we haven't just denied children and education. for a lot of kids who might be an abusive home, we are denying those children any eye on them from an adult who might not be a problem for them. my thought on this, the lockdowns, we have to talk about what the costs really are and at the same thing we really need to talk about what's happening in our medical system. new york city has had a bad month and nobody would disagree with that. but if you look at the rest of the country, the surge has not been there. >> sean: would you at least agree had we not done certain things, it's simple math. starting with the travel ban.

i think people are intellectually honest in retrospect, we'd say that donald trump was right ten days after the first identified case. andrew cuomo saying march 2nd, we are new yorkers, or hospital system -- that was march 2nd pair he's screaming a couple of months later, i need 30,000 ventilators! we found out he was told to buy them for this exact week we are living through, and he chose not to. >> right, but the good news is new york state will not need 30,000 ventilators. the travel ban in retrospect looks like a very good idea, and we should've done much more in february. we should've ramped up testing. the question is where are we now, and is there a way to look at different regions, look at the hospital capacity, say, is new york's different than houston? as used in different than san francisco? this is a big country. even the chinese, they opened up outside of wuhan and who obey

much sean: would you agree the answer now going forward is we've got to get this country up and running and testing is the key, especially abbott, the five-minute testing? you've got five seconds. >> we want the testing, we want to know how many people have gotten this. there's an interesting data out of germany suggesting 15% of people in a randomized survey have actually already gotten this and recovered from it which would suggest that the fatality rate may be is a little bit lower than we think. >> sean: they have more testing than anywhere else. >> we need a plan. we have to say, you know what? they hospitals or this bull and cases going this way? we can open this and this. if they are this full, maybe we can open retail and open hospitality. we need metrics and reporters who are going to ask the president -- not make look at things as bad as possible.

>> sean: i like your iconoclastic -- definitely making people think and it takes a lot of guts doing what you doing. i don't fully agree with you. but i appreciate you being with us. more facts without fear, host of the dr. oz show. dr. oz, how do we open up the country without what you have told me is a guaranteed rebound, how do we do that? i think the key is testing. i would like to mass-produce the five-minute habit test. >> let's start with testing because you asked me to get some follow-up for that, but i got two of them. just before i got on there with you, i got some numbers. they are making 50,000 tests a day of the test you love, they are ramping it up to about half a million tests a week by june. don't forget, they have the six and a half hour test which is not as good because you've got to wait overnight to get the results back but they do the update, early next morning you can see the result. a million of those tests going

out every week. you put them together, getting close to a million and a half task that you can get a result back, certainly within 12 hours. >> sean: look, the people at abbott, thank you what you've done. so helpful to the country. can we also subcontract out to 15 other companies that they can produce it based on abbott's formula? that'll help open the city of new york faster. do not know how we open up the air down the airline industry or restaurants, that's more compli. >> i spoke to a hundred couple of folks, basic summary. you need a digital tool so everyone can double check reminders, you get to the closest testing center, a million and a half test per week might be enough to crush through the major urban areas. you are going to have to get those people of the care they

need, remind folks they made be in concrete down the contact with. the germans have a hammer and dance model. basically whack a mole. when you see a brush fire, you put it out, danced for a while and decide if you need to do anything more. i think we ought to make a domestic peace score. we have all these unemployed people now, let's get them trained in public health, let's give them a little bit of support so they can actually cause people how to get folks that are infected healthy again into the workforce. that way governors have a plan b instead of shutting the state down as soon as there is an outbreak. as you mentioned, we will have outbreaks. it's going to be a rolling process. >> sean: i've got to roll. >> a year from now, until we have a vaccine, we will need a plan. >> sean: dr. oz, thank you. got to get the culture up rolling, open and safety. senator graham, but will be telling china to do.

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♪ >> sean: right now the >> sean: right now, the coronavirus pandemic has not shown a light on china's lies about how the weld health organization ran interference for beijing' beijing. the w.h.o. tweeted no clear evidence of human to human transmission. wrong. the w.h.o. also came out against the travel ban, suggesting its racist, and encourage boarders to stay wide open even as the disease was spreading. we gave these idiots $450 million last year. the president now standing strong making it clear that he's reevaluating while we are paying

the u.n. organization so much and the funding it. tonight, senator graham building a bipartisan coalition and the senate called on china to shut down its so-called wet markets which cause not just this pandemic but breeding grounds for future ones. joins us now. senator, that's just the beginning. the u.k. study showed 90% of this all could have been prevented. >> yes. so the first thing i want to do is get the united states senate on the record where we come we don't blame trump, we blame china. the chinese government is responsible for 16,000 american deaths and 17 million americans being unemployed. it's the chinese government and the way they behaved that led to the pandemic. the third one to come out of china. i want to make our response to this so overwhelming that china will change its behavior. i want to get the medical supply chain back in the united states. i want to stop canceling debt that we owe it to china because

they should be paying us, not us paying china. i think you'll see a bipartisan push back against china to punish him so severely to deter them in the future. >> sean: if we are going to get the country up and running, we do it safely. we have great innovators in the country. abbott came up with a five-minute test -- 5 minutes! it's the size of a toaster. >> that's longer than i get on your show. >> sean: what's that? that's longer than what you get on the show? >> that's correct. >> sean: somehow if we can get other companies mass-producing this, to me that's the key. to do it safely and securely. >> i called the germans. there are two types of tests. do you have it or have you had it. a lot of people who had it don't know it, we have to test them and get them to work because they are good to go. and we need mass tests to make sure they don't have it right

now. we are going to get the economy back open safely and the way to do it is having testing machines go out to have people go back to work safely. we have better days lying ahead. >> sean: senator, thank you. i think we need those tests, as many as possible. they've done a great service to the country, and a lot of companies had. when we come back, when you think the liberals over at conspiracy television msdn seed, and other corrupt media mob, when they can't stoop any lower, wait till you hear the conspiracy theory they have cooking up. he is fired up. the great one mark levin and called drove straight ahead karl rove straight ahead. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late.

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>> live from america's news headquarters, i am ashley strohmeyer. united nations secretary general's warning to the coronavirus pandemic is threatening international peace and security. fear is the potential increase in unrest and violence will greatly undermine our ability to fight the disease. the u.n.'s most powerful body has been silent on covid-19. but it's now expressing full support for the secretary general's effort to defeat the potential worldwide attack of the pandemic. and has been moved out of intensive care where he was being treated for the coronavirus. johnson is an out of the woods yet but his office says he's in extremely good spirits. the prime minister revealed last month he tested positive for the disease and was moved to icu four days ago when his symptoms got worse. i am ashley strohmeyer. now back to "hannity." >> sean: conspiracy theorists over at ms dnc, they are up to

the same old tricks for this time, a guy named chris hayes wants to out roz well rachel mount all, floating a sick theory that the trump administration inflated early death projections so they could take a victory lap when the final totals proved to be a lower. you are sick. that's nuts. author of "the new york times" best seller "unfreedom of the press." an host of "life, liberty, live-in," i call him the great one. great one, three and a half years of this hate, they got it wrong. they got it wrong again. we have all the evidence. >> they are >> their great candidate joe biden. i want to tell the president, vice president, thank you for everything you are doing. i can see on your faces how hard you are working. god bless you.

thank god joe biden is not there, he'd be calling in the nation's top proctologist. i have some questions i wanted to ask these doctors if i were at the press conference. a very serious question that have been concerning me. this mitigation issue, they tell you to hunker down. i wonder how long are we supposed to hunker down until. every single human being doesn't get the virus or can get the virus, this is a very important question. what happens after we are done hunkering down? doesn't that mean millions of people never had the virus because they successfully hunkered down? doesn't that mean millions of people will be highly susceptible to getting it again or getting it the first time? they are not developing an immunity. in fact, tens of millions of americans as a result of this mitigation that dr. fauci and dr. birx are focused on will not have developed any immunity to

this. isn't this why dr. fauci, if i'm asking questions, you'll be saying this is seasonable? do you really mean mitigation today eliminates the herd immunity necessary for this society to kill the virus broadly once and for all? isn't this why you say in the future don't shake hands? aren't you really saying in the future, don't touch surfaces, doorknobs, tabletops, because you know that shaking hands is fine if both people have had the virus. but if somebody has it and somebody does come of that virus would obviously be traveling along. that applies to any surface then. it's an acknowledgment when i listen carefully to what fauci and birx say it, even this period of time, what they are suggesting is not going to address this virus for the full period. your mitigation strategy accounts for none of this. why are you not willing to acknowledge there are businesses

today -- i've asked both these doctors, that can mitigate and remain open, and encourage governors and mayors to allow them to do so? you've never even address this issue. why aren't you issuing guidelines to states and localities to help them do that? there are thousands of small businesses, medium-size businesses, like large businesses who can chew and walk and talk come down back at same time. they are there now. what happens i would ask the doctors to societies when there's 10%-25% unemployment, hundreds and thousands of businesses, what happens to be health care system then. what happens to the quality of medical care, death rates, et cetera, obviously they skyrocket. are you tracking the number of people who might have lived, but for the directive against so-called elective surgery? individuals with heart disease,

cancer, diabetes, what are the number of suicides so far in february and march that have occurred? we have no idea. how many people that had the coronavirus are living today because they used hydroxychloroquine? are they tracking that? they've been very, very ambiguous about this. i actually think it's a perfectly good equation. i would ask dr. birx, you are the top modeler. have you been using the same model from the start? you said 1.5 to 2.5 million people could have died without mitigation. a week ago, you said 100,000 to 240,000. now, around 60,000. there is something terribly wrong with the model. not just the data. you say this is due to mitigation, one of the reasons it's come down significant leap. maybe so. but three weeks ago, there was a growing stand firm director who wrote a public peace that the data you

are using is faulty. it's not accurate. his conclusion three weeks ago is that the death rates that you are talking about are wildly off. so why is he right and why were you wrong? another professor from yale, another top expert and known as such said three weeks ago that what you should be focusing on is the vulnerable populations in the vulnerable communities rather than the entire nation, which has enormous societal, cultural, and economic impact which we are seeing take place. why were you right and why was he wrong? some governors have except down the attempted to do exactly that and have fairly good outcomes. the governor of florida, the governor of texas, the governor of georgia have worked on that model and have nothing what's going on like in the new york and louisiana. i want to talk about the economy quickly. to be clear, president trump

hasn't shut a single business. the governor is dead. i want to ask the republicans and democrats in congress, massive deficit spending, can you name one country, just one, today or in the past, that has grown and created jobs through massive deficit spending, inflation? i can name 20 that haven't. cut it out. get the people back to work. open up these estates. these businesses can walk and chew gum at the same time. that's it. >> sean: great work. thank you. mark living each sunday night 8:00 p.m. eastern. up next, the trump campaign just released a brutal add taking down the ever so confused quid pro quo joe and his ties to china. zero experience hunter made a fortune. karl rove will play it up next and will react in more straight ahead.

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♪ >> sean: breakin >> sean: breaking tonight, president trump just released an absolutely brutal lad exposing joe biden, the ever confused one and his soft stands on china. his son got the one plus billion dollar deal in china after flying on air force one with his daddy. pretty embarrassing. take a look. >> this is no time for donald trump... 's record of hysterical xenophobia. >> they are not bad folks, folks. >> since the outbreak, the communist party has been mobilizing overseas organizations to buy local supplies and send them to china. >> it's in our self interest that china continues to prosper. >> a beautiful history that we wrote together.

banning all travel will not stop it. >> the president's right, every public health official we talked to said to stop the country. >> that was a very smart move. >> hysterical xenophobia. >> icon plummeted >> sean: two months, three days late. now he supports the china ban. he's already's scheming to shamelessly pander to bernie supporters, rolling out a new medicare policy along with student loan forgiveness, attend public congress is, historically black universities. it all comes as the biden campaign bracing for a very difficult general election race especially as biden continues to ramble rather incoherently from his basement bunker. presidential job approval rating hit a new high. here with the reaction, former white house deputy chief of staff, white house contributor

fox newscontributor karl rove. once you analyze the ad come out every time he opens his mouth it's a disaster. do you think he's the guy, they want to try and replace them? >> first, the ad i think is pretty powerful and i think it was smart -- you will notice the voices, some of the voices talking about biden having rejected the president's travel ban, major garrett was one of them. a respected former fox colleague who is with another network now. cbs, right. i thought this was a very good ad but a little surprised it was put out this early, it's one that i suspect we are going to see a lot of it on digital and i expect we see this on cable and network if not today, relatively soon. i think it's a very powerful ad. it reminds people that biden has been here, he's been there, and

he's really been saying some things that were over the top at the time he said them and now he's trying to find a way to walk it back. >> sean: okay. cuomo -- taking himself out, stop, stop, stop, nobody is going to be the nominee except for joe biden. they are not going to pick somebody else. it will require him to suffer a serious catastrophe for him not to be the nominee, and the talk about andrew cuomo is a pipe dream. it's indicative of a problem though and it's that joe biden has an enthusiasm gap. the president's supporters are very enthusiastic about voting for him. joe biden supporters are not. republicans are 90%. biden is 56. >> sean: where is the whiteboard? >> i've got the whiteboard.

i've got to show the board that you sent me, the staff calls it a baby board. >> sean: karl rove is lying to the american people! >> he charge me 30 bucks for the name. shaun's baby board. >> sean: we've got a minute. >> one of the problems for biden he's been running for 32 years. he first ran for president in 1988. he's always been running. if theodore roosevelt ran for 32 years for president and got elected in 1904, he would've had to declared his candidacy at the age of ten. jfk would begin his first campaign for president at 11 in order to run 32 years before he got elected president. ulysses s. grant would declare at 13. obama 14. fdr 16. lincoln and carter would've become president of candidates in the first race at the age of 19 if they were to run for the

next 32 years before they actually got elected. another way of looking at this, sean, biden 2020. if ulysses s. grant was the same age as joe biden when he got elected president, he would've been elected president in 1900, not 1868. et cetera. this is a very old head of the ticket the democrats have nominated and one that's been around the track a lot. >> sean: karl rove. getting a new whiteboard so i don't have to hear it anymore. man... you are cruel. i almost -- cruel! shocking story. russia investigation. new proof that the deep state ignored key evidence that showed there was no collusion! we were right all along. sara carter with that update next. who do you think takes more pride

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>> >> sean: breaking tonight, fox news has obtained a

transcript between a fbi agent and former campaign aide george joppa lapidus george papadopoulos. wow, this is a big. >> is really being, sean. 171 pages of transcripts between george confidant blisgeorge papadopoulos and sten helper, the cambridge professor. occurred in 2016 before the provincial election. you can imagine stephan helper really pressuring george papadopoulos to give up any information he thought george had regarding the trump campaign and russia and over and over again in the transcript, george papadopoulos says, you've got to be crazy. there's nobody here in the trump campaign that would ever deal with russia. i know this. i worked with them. no matter how hard he was pressured, he had no idea he was being recorded at the time by stephan helper, he continued to

deny it. most importantly, sean, these documents, these transcripts were never included in the documentation the fbi provided to the foreign intelligence surveillance court. >> sean: we've got to go. but this is huge. we will have more. it's all falling apart. let not your heart be troubled. lawler, great interview last night with the attorney general. >> laura: thank you. he's so wise. because he's the attorney general and the trump administration, he's trash relentlessly. he could just shock people with complements and then trash them. >> sean: i think you and i get trashed more than him. i'm just guessing. >> laura: a tiny bit. sara carter, blows me away. i love that segment and we are going to learn a lot more. >> sean: everything we've talked about. i know we've been busy with this corona, but this is all coming back in a big way. >> laura: another reason we have to heal the country, get