as we say, set your dvr and never missed. brian kilmeade is in for laura's side as we say good night from new york. ♪ ♪ >> brian: hi, everybody, i'm brian kilmeade, lucky enough to be in for laura ingraham, and this is a special edition of "the ingraham angle," the fight to bring back america. now, we have a jam-packed show and i'm not exaggerating. president trump today saying the decision went to rio and blame the economy is the biggest one he'll ever have to make, and he hopes to god he's right. mark cuban is here on what the white house should be doing to get americans back to work safely, and the administration says we are nearing the peak of the coronavirus outbreak. hud secretary ben carson joins me to talk about the medical hurdles, as well as the housing hurdles. plus, ken cuccinelli response to the left insane demands to empty

the i.c.e. detention facilities, i'm not kidding. the same crazies that said joe biden -- joe biden needs the court in order to unite the party. mike huckabee tells why he needs them all. and, as holy week wraps up, how can americans keep the faith without being able to go to church. is that possible? raymond arroyo with this friday night edition. plus, two-for-one deals on exclusives here, are you ready for this? first, the interview with houston rockets owner tillman petit and what he needs to save the jobs of tens of thousands of employees, what he owns in all different countries all the different states is astounding, and it is all on the docket with the shutdown due to the pandemic. laura has a sitdown with attorney general bill barr, which has been absolutely outstanding. first, focus on the coronavirus and our response to it, let's bring in the ma'am it does it all, fox's chief breaking news correspondent located safely on the west coast, where it's always sunny. trace, what's up? how's it going in california?

>> brian, breaking tonight, the people behind the university of washington ihme model, which is not always been correct, but cited numerous times by the trump administration, told fox news moments ago they believe the worst is now behind us. in other words, their modeling shows we've hit the peak in the number of deaths will now begin to go down. going on to say we need to start looking toward recovery and how to bring our economy back. meantime, the remains of a great deal of focus on the number of cases and deaths, but when we talk about flattening the curve, it's all about the percentage of increase in the number of cases, so take a look at this. from april 6th to the sundstra sundstrand, cases across the country, from the 7th to the 8tk today, and today, we are down to 7.8%. that is exactly the right direction. listen to dr. deborah birx. >> we are starting to level on

the logarithmic bays like italy did a week ago. this gives us great heart that not only specific places, but we are starting to see that change. >> when you look at new york, the percentage of increase in cases has gone up and down the past four days, and the number of new deaths each day in new york continues to be higher than the day before. but a key barometer in flattening the curve is the number of people admitted to hospitals and hospitals and icus. and for new york, there is now encouraging news. watch. >> change nicu admissions is actually a negative number for the first time since we started this intense journey. >> finally, we also want to point out some potential hot spots in coming days, that include delaware, south dakota, maryland, rhode island, and pennsylvania. meantime, next tuesday, president trump will announce an "opening our country" council. the president says he isn't doing anything until he knows our country is healthy.

brian? >> brian: hey, trace, with all of his positive news in california, are you surprised they're still keeping los angeles shutdown, at least until the middle of may? >> may 15th is not what we are hearing, brian, and they are showing new models but don't give any kind of context and perspective of where they are feeding into the model, so one help official saying icu and hospitalizations will go up in the next 3 to 4 weeks, and you have another in the very same department staying they are going to go down. so it's very confusing to the people in california as what to believe and when. we hear a lot about the models. we have very little context about what information is being inputted into those models. brian? >> brian: yeah, i think overall, california has to be -- as of now -- one of the real success stories. they got on it quick and you guys have been pretty strict about it and seems to be paying off if the numbers are telling the truth. trace, thanks, appreciate it. >> good to see you, brian.

>> brian: you got. joining us right now is ben carson, secretary of housing and urban development and a brain surgeon, so we have the medical and the practical. first off, dr. carson, your thoughts about the president naming this counsel on tuesday that will be both medical, as well as economic, about how to open up this country again, your thought about that? >> well, i'm very glad he's putting some emphasis on that, because what is so important is that we bridge this gap appropriately. with the gap gets too wide, it becomes a mammoth task to try to regain the momentum we had with the economy. so, that's why it's necessary, i think, to pour a lot of dollars -- this comes from somebody who is a fiscal hawk, i mean, i don't like to spend money. but recognizing that it is necessary in order to maintain that infrastructure so that we can get people back to work, and

we need the best business mind involved in that, but it needs to be tempered with science, with the fact. we can't let it be all business. we can't let it be all facts. you have to temper these things together. it sort of an art, as well as a science. >> brian: so i want you to hear what the president said today, he had his council meeting a little bit early today. he talked about his decision process and what is at stake with other countries are doing. let's take a listen. >> the heard approach, okay? heard. they tried it. and you saw what happened in the u.k. it set them back a lot to. other countries have tried it. and sweden is suffering greatly. we went with the herd, as they say, they would have had potentially -- you see the charts, nobody knows, nobody will ever know, fortunately, but we could have lost 2 million people. we could've lost 1 million people. we could've lost half a million

people. >> brian: so he's talking about the briefing and all of the different things he could do. the u.k., like sweden. sweden didn't shut on anything, they took the people the most vulnerable and ask them to basically shelter at home, like we are doing as a country, and i think the jury's out on that, but do you want to close the book on herd immunity? it's not going to work with this virus? >> i think it's probably not going to work in this particular environment that we have in the united states. recognizing that the environments are very different in lots of other parts of the world, where you have a lot more homogeneity and the communities you are dealing with. there is no one-size-fits-all, and that's why it's so vitally important that we be willing to take a look at all the information every day, which is exactly what the task force do does, and they seek wisdom from lots of different sources, and are willing to be flexible and to make changes based on what is going on, and that really is the

key. brian: see, you want to be safe and keep everyone alive, you see these numbers, 10,000 hospitalized, potentially 60,000 in august, down from 84,000 on monday. you are the president, you feel that. but at the same time, you feel the pain that americans are going through. the ones you talk to that can't pay the rent, that were barely making it before this pandemic hit america and hit 180 plus countries. where does a doctor like you stand on something like this? >> well, you know, i feel tremendously for those who are hurting, and particularly for the homeless. you know, one of the things that i'm thinking about is, you know, we've been given a fair amount of extra money through the cares act, and working with the governor 's and the various states, and with the local organizations, let's find a permanent solution for homelessness. let's not just do patchwork

because we have an emergency here. that will be a tremendous silver lining to all of this if we can do that, and this is the way i've constructed all of our different offices at hud, to be thinking about things as we go about coming up with the various rules for how we're gonna to be doing things. and it really requires a whole government approach, recognizing that there are going to be a lot of people who are hurting, but the government, again, federal, state, and local, if we are willing to work together, you know, we can bridge this gap, but they'll have to lose their homes. recognizing -- you know, homeownership is the main mechanism of wealth accumulation in this country. the average homeowner has a net worth of $200,000. the average renter, $5,000. that they pretty big difference. without being unreasonable, we need to find ways to get people

into homeownership, making sure that we don't do what was done the last time that happened, and cause people to not only lose their homes, but to lose their credit and future possibility. >> brian: you are so perfect for this job, because you know what it's like to grow up and wonder where the money is coming from for rent in a single-parent family, and at the same time, you know what it is like to be a world-famous surgeon and not have to worry about with the next meal is coming from. and experienced the upper class of society. you worked your way up, so you can have empathy and understand there is a way i would. but it brings me to the fact a lot of minorities are really more effective than others about this pandemic, and today, i want you to hear an exchange between the surgeon general and one of the reporters at the briefing, jerome adams. let's listen. >> wash your hands more often than you ever dreamed possible. avoid alcohol, tobacco, and drugs, and call your friends and family. do it for your granddaddy. do it for your big mama, do it

for your pop pop. we need you to understand, especially in communities of color, we need you to step up and help stop the spread -- >> there are some people online already offended by that language and the idea that you are saying behaviors might be leading to the high death rates. >> brian: so, are you offended by that language? >> well, of course not. him i'm one of those people who really emphasizes, what is the thing that makes us all unique r different? is it our skin color and hair texture? the width of our nose? no, it's our brain. we really need to concentrate on bad. and when we look at why this disease impacts of the black community or the hispanic community more, it really has more to do with some of the underlying disease processes that have been found for various and sundry reasons, and what can

we do to eliminate some of those? the crowding in places, the work environment, all of these things have a part to play, and when this is over, that's what we need to be concentrating on, so that the next time that there is a big epidemic, we don't have the same problem. >> brian: dr. carson, thanks so much, and have a happy easter. >> thank you, brian. you do the same. >> brian: all right. meanwhile, more than 60 million americans now out of work with the coronavirus outbreak, president trump is trying to make what he says is the biggest decision of his life. >> i want to get it open as soon as we can. we have to get our country open. i'm going to have to make a decision, and i only hope to god that it is the right decision. but i would say without question, it's the biggest decision i've ever had to make. >> brian: joining me right now is mark cuban, owner of the

dallas mavericks, has hundreds of his own businesses, want to be stars of "shark tank." mark, what should be the criteria that the president keeps in mind when he makes the biggest decision of his life? >> i think he needs more information. i think you can just use the death rate and the number of people who are ill or sick or anything. you got to go out and start talking to businesses about what they see on the other side. i would do a survey, i would send something out to companies and say, when we open back up fully, do you anticipate, a, hiring the same number of people, b, more, c less? i would send the survey to employees and say, do you anticipate going back to the job he left, with the job you are fired from? or do you anticipate going to a completely different job? or do you anticipate not going after a job at all? don't want to work? because we need more information to give some indication of what things are going to be like after this reset. >> brian: what about the

responsibility of these business owners? when i walk into a building, should they be taking my temperature of my forehead? should i take the abbott test to see if i have the virus? when i go to lunch, do i take another one of those tests? what should people be prepared to do? >> first of all, the businesses should be prepared to introduce whatever science tells us we need to introduce. whatever dr. fauci and company tells us is necessary, that's what we have to be prepared to do. but along those lines, when there's uncertainty, we really going to have to adjust our businesses. restaurants are going to have to realign the tables. we're going to have to think about, the american airlines center, how we are going to fit people. there's just so many different variables we have to consider, were just going to have to be agile. >> brian: let's talk sports for a second. "sports illustrated" said a quote today i want to share with you and get your thoughts. on one sports is going to start again. 's are going to come back soon? the quote: "we will not have sporting events with fans until we have a vaccine," according to

someone who wrote the dissertation on the nfl. do you agree with that? >> again, i don't want to pretend i'm a scientist appear on the wrong person to ask him exactly what it is going to take, but there are scientists we trust, and whatever they tell us, that's what nba is going to do. as an employer, until i have absolute certainty my employees are going to be healthy going to work, not going to ask them to do so. you know, if i had to guess, i do think we will play games without fans, initially, and then, as we go more confident when back to work and going into crowds, then we will start to explore whether to bring fans into the arena and stadium. >> brian: it will be very interesting, because after 9/11, we changed the way we did things through the turnstiles, distancing going through the turnstiles. we could have every third seat being sold. there are things that could happen, but i imagine a guy like you will be brought in on that thought process, because there is the science, and there's the practical, i own a sports team and i know this is possible, right, mark? >> there's no question, you're

going to have to talk to your customers and build up that confidence. we are going to try a lot of different things. you mentioned 9/11. if i part of the program where giving money to airlines, one of the things the government may consider doing is prebuying seats, because the government spends a lot of money on commercial travel. so i not partner with the airlines as part of this deal and have federal employees do some of the testing on flying on airlines? because if we can build confidence that he can travel in a plane comfortably and without risk, that's going to build the confidence the people can go into confined places or where there's a lot of people, but that has to be part of the program, things we look for, because again, it comes down to science and building confidence. >> brian: so market, the president on tuesday is going to name this council about bringing america back economically and putting us back to work. would you like to be on that counsel or be considered? >> anyway i can serve my country, i'm all in. i would be happy to if they ask. >> brian: that'll be great. sometimes the president watches. i know he's not allowed to do

much, because we are all sheltering in place. maybe he heard that it will call. lastly -- >> i hope so. >> brian: i hope so come also so. no matter what show you are on, radio, tv, you put your country first, and i have no idea how you stay political, and people look at your track record and resume and success, and after call your number. lastly, let's take a look at what has happened so far with a $2.2 trillion and how it affects small businesses. $340 billion. do you think it is working? >> i think the program is a good program. i think the execution has suffered some. i think the banks are acting too much like banks. they are going to need to be forced to say, just to give the loans first, and we will deal with fraud and problems after the fact. because it's costing us more in lost jobs and companies going out of business by holding things up and slowing down the loans that it cost us and fraud. hopefully things will speed up and we will look back and say it

was a slow week to start things off, but right now, it's a challenge for small businesses, and a lot of my companies are really concerned. >> brian: right, and they can't tell you to retain labor, and then tell you find your money elsewhere to pay your rent, take care of your lease come and keep your lights on and maintain your equipment. >> it's not even just about that. particularly for companies with investors, there are things called affiliate rules which the banks are saying, if you have this investor or a company that you are connected with, unless you're a restaurant franchisee, you may not be able to get these loans, and there's so much conflicting information on that affiliates program that companies that have taken investors, more than 50% have taken investment at some level, are really freaking out. >> brian: right. let's go down and talk to people and then get the answers. mark cuban, thanks so much. hope you get that call by tuesday. >> me too. thanks, brian, take care.

>> brian: you got. coming up, it's no secret the left is using this pandemic in many cases to push their agenda. but their newest demand will really shock you. ken cuccinelli is here to respond. plus, mike huckabee lays out what is joe biden's move to appease the far left. don't go away.

♪ >> knowing that this pandemic was coming, i.c.e. was still conducting raids in sanctuary cities, part of a larger political project by the president to punish those cities. there's no reason these jails should be filled. there's no reason they should be packed. we must pursue an agenda in order to really fulfill our responsibility as public servants. >> brian: all right, let's fulfill that responsibility. aoc isn't the only democrat

demanding their release. get this, thousands of illegal aliens being held by i.c.e., give them benefits. the "washington examiner" reporting that they agree with aoc. here to respond is acting dhs secretary ken cuccinelli. let everybody out during the pandemic and give them benefits, why not? what could go wrong? >> [laughs] well, you know, they could've always gone home in the first place. they are here illegally, knows the attorney general set on this very show earlier this week, we can walk and chew gum at the same time and the department of homeland security, and we are going to keep enforcing all the laws on the books, including deporting people who are here illegally, and brian, one thing that hasn't gotten a lot of discussion in the middle of covid-19 is the fact that i.c.e. dealt with -- and by that, i mean quarantine -- thousands of contagious people just last year. thousands. so the number of people who have come across the border, who have

tuberculosis or measles or other things that are a threat to our public health, something that i.c.e. has dealt with for a long time, and i think you hit it right. but some people are just trying to use the current crisis -- and it is a crisis -- as an excuse to accomplish their radical agenda of essentially getting rid of immigration law. >> brian: it's pretty amazing what is happening, what a difference a year makes. there were tens of thousands coming across the border and no place to put them, couldn't put up tents fast enough in parking lots. a year later when you are allowed to enforce the border, enforce the laws, what has changed is central american coms aren't even coming. with mostly mexico, mexico is cooperating. >> mexico is cooperating a great deal. they have been a good partner for really all of 2020, while back into 2019. radicals back to the president's international relations. a year ago right about now,

brian, he was in a pretty heated discussion with mexico about the potential for terrorists, closing the border, and so forth, and mexico responded by becoming the best partner that i can ever remember them being in fighting illegal immigration, not just to our country, but to their country, as well, and that's been a great success for the united states, a great success. mexico, and we have a great partnership working with mexico now, and that's served us very well. by the way, you mentioned the wall. that is still being built during all of this, as well. that construction continues on. >> brian: yeah, and by the way, and the trade deal was cut only because there was trust between the nations, and there were rocky roads for a while. meanwhile, the president of the united states waiting on border control, as well as the coronavirus. watch. >> my opposition party wants to have open borders.

this is a case where i'm very glad that my position is i don't want open borders. i want a very strong borders. i think this is maybe one of the learning points. we learn something about borders. i had >> brian: yeah. ken, final thought on this? >> he's absolutely right. that's why i referred back to the thousands of people with contagious disease of the last year we were dealing with coming over the border. americans shouldn't forget when we get through the coronavirus epidemic that we deal with other contagions coming across the border, and national security isn't just -- border security isn't just national security from the sense of keeping people out who aren't here illegally, but also keeping these public health threats down and out of our country, particularly for the communities in the southern part of a country where they absorb the health care costs and the burden on their health systems, year in and year out. well, the trump administration is helping to fix that. >> brian: very interesting.

deputy secretary cuccinelli, thank you so much. have a good easter. >> good to be with you brian, was a pleasure. >> brian: let's change gears. nava joe biden is the presumptive democratic nominee, you think you would try to broaden his appeal and drug to the center, not the case, he's doing the opposite, doing away less. with plans to forgive student loans, maybe -- here to discuss that is former governor, fox news contributor, his home studio, i've been there it's fantastic, governor, thank you so much for being here. are you surprised that joe biden is going left instead of middle? >> most people go to the middle after they've kind of won the primary, and they realize they've got to go after general election voters. joe biden is doing exactly the opposite. he's moving further to the left then he has ever been.

further to the left and the democratic party has ever been. and one of his ideas is lowering the age you can get medicare down to 60, from 65. here's the problem with that. brian, when medicare was started in the mid-'60s, average life expectancy was 70 years for men and women, average. now it is 79. now at a time when people are living longer and retiring later, joe biden says, let's just move that back down to 60. i mean, it is the opposite of what any actuarial study would recommend for him to do. i don't know what in the world he is thinking about that. >> brian: the age of 70, still wondering what he stands for and what he'll do, and i think the president has to feel good about that. he wanted bernie sanders because he thought he was so far left it would give the moderates no other choice but to go with him. joe biden, somewhat of a moderate liberal, now going the way of the left to get to bernie rose, 8% of which voted for donald trump last time. meanwhile, i was shocked by this

format, even though it's a conservative poll, they asked democrats who would they nominate for president? andrew cuomo over joe biden, 56-44. how was your to that? >> i think when you are talking about the difference even between bernie and biden, here it is. bernie always knew what he stood for. you may not have agreed with that, and most of us didn't, but he was pretty clear and has been consistent in his very socialist beliefs. with biden, he doesn't even know what he stands for, and can't keep it straight from day-to-d day-to-day. that's a real problem with the democrats. they realize that. cuomo has been on tv every day sounding very reasonable and managing a crisis in a large state. i think democrats are saying, boy, we wish we could have that guy. the problem is, unless it biden were to drop out for reasons he would have to create, there is o mechanism for andrew cuomo to sweep in and become the nominee. >> brian: and just keep in mind, i love his briefings. they are very informative and

nonpartisan. i like it. but he is a guy that will jack up your taxes, he's all for green energy, and could revitalize all of new york state if you just went with environmental studies that said it would be okay to frak. business with pennsylvania and ohio, but he chose ideology, and all of that stuff would come out for people in the romance now with andrew cuomo. we've seen this up close and personal. finally, the president with approval ratings of a fox no poll very high in this partisan arrow we are in now. are you surprised by that? >> not really, because the president has shown leadership, and the most remarkable thing he's proven to people, not a big surprise to many of us -- that he's the classic executive that surrounds himself with smart, good people, listens to their advice, makes the decision, and he carries that i would come and then he delegates authority to the states, to the governors so they can manage their own states. but he knows the federal government can't make a decision

for massachusetts that works as well at mississippi. new york and new mexico are very different. he recognizes that any makes it happen. god bless him, and that's why his numbers are high. >> brian: the opposite way he is characterized, and give governors what they always wanted, respect from washington. to me, and the beginning, they were jarred by it, and after a while, i think they are embracing it. we will have to see. but mark my words, if he gets another four years, he's not going to leave you on the sidelines. he's going to drag you to washington with your daughter. that's my prediction. >> [laughs] we will see. >> brian: kicking and screaming. >> kicking and screaming, brother. [laughs] >> brian: happy easter. >> thanks, take care. happy easter. >> brian: up ahead, religious leaders celebrating good friday like none other. raymond arroyo is here to talk about what we can learn from their example during this holiday season. that story, next. ♪

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epochal time and how you and your family can do the same, we have woken up and making sure he stayed up, raymond arroyo is with us. has there ever been a good friday like this that you can remember? >> no, brian. looks, only china and parts of africa have had public expressions of faith suppressed like this. st. patrick's cathedral today, completely empty during good friday services. there is cardinal dolan, nobody is there. millions tuning into broadcasts of these religious services. notre dame, paris, the arch bishop and a few acolytes or hard hats in a small good friday service after the fire at the cathedral. as you know, coronavirus hot spot, a rabbi and our arch bishop boarded a world war ii aircraft and blessed the city to plead for god's mercies on those suffg from covid-19.

he knows what this virus is all about, he's recovering from it. >> brian: wow. meanwhile, raymond, i saw footage of the pope at the vatican earlier today. he looked all alone at st. peter's basilica. how did he handle it? >> it was creepy watching it come i have to tell you. thousands would normally be packed into the coliseum, but not this year. 's haunting images. the pope dealt with it fine, but i've covered these events for years, and it feels like palm sunday every time, crowds of people. i watch this year and kept thinking, this is like the first good friday. was abandoned with only one apostle and his mother standing by. everyone else, all his supporters and disciples were sheltered behind locked doors, which sounds awfully familiar. we are all in that place now. we feel alone, frightened, but there's hope, the resurrection

is coming, i just might take a little longer than we'd like, brian. >> brian: all right. meanwhile, you have a recommendation for families and children together this holiday season, and if so, what is it? >> i do. we've all been watching movies. i bet you have been watching a few with the family during quarantine. there are some films i think we return to this time of year. "the ten commandments" is one. the other is "the passion of the," mel gibson's masterpiece streaming on fox nation now. when they were shooting in rome years ago, i was on site, and i was familiar with the creative evolution of the movie. he did an interview to reveal the powerful and painful moments of that should. here's a moment of when he was carrying the cross, separated his shoulder, and it led to a moving moment. >> i was going this direction, dislocated my shoulder. i went down, and as i went down,

the cross, mel sped up the camera, but it actually struck my head and buried my head in the sand, and i bit through my tongue. in the tapes, you'll see streams of blood coming down from my lip, that is actually my own blood. >> they left that in the movie? >> left that in the movie. i turn around and i talked to her, and i say -- [speak in foreign language] and this time the shoulder as i was coming i was trying everything to get my arm over it, and it feels like it is the most extraordinary take because it looks like i'm cherishing our cross, which is our faith. and hugging it, but in the most beautiful way. speak with a message here, brian, is that at times pain can push us beyond ourselves and produce lasting things -- good things that we never expected, and maybe that's a lesson we need to hear him good friday. it's a great way to watch. you can go to fox nation and watch the interview and the fo

form. >> brian: yeah, he's great. jim caviezel is fantastic, and everything he's in, but he always talked about that movie being one of the turning point in his career. ray, do the best you cannot have a happy easter, all right? >> i shall try. you as well, brian. >> brian: meanwhile, "the passion of the" and raymond's interview with jim caviezel is on fox nation, you will not regret seeing it. of next, exclusive interview with a billionaire businessman, restaurant tour, houston rocket owner, tilman fertitta, how is he getting by in this time not easy. well, we used to. new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odor stains or fuss. get everything you need for spring at ortho.com order today!

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♪ >> brian: the pandemic has affected everyone. all of you watching, all of your friends, all of your family, all of your neighbors. but i could argue that maybe no

one has been affected as holistically as my next guest. he has 600 properties in 30 states and 15 different countries, nonbest perhaps is the owner of the houston rockets, tilman fertitta. and now, when the world shutdown, tillman, so did your business, because of the restaurants to the rockets, how are you holding up? >> how am i holding up? i'm holding up pretty damn good, but i've got 45,000 employees out there furloughed that is so tremendously unfortunate. we have to get back to work as soon as we can. the 60 million, no telling what it will be next week. that's what's so sad. >> brian: how hard was that decision to lay off your employees? >> you know, brian, i went through the '87 crisis, the 2000, the 2008. it's something you realize, you

are doing your people a favor, get them furloughed first, because it they are the first in the unemployment line after the severance that you give them, and it's a trick that i learned many years ago, and that's why so many people are having a hard time now, but it just unimaginable, we've all had to do little layoffs over the years, but you have to basically shut down the whole company, when you think about having music parks, aquariums, restaurants around the world, a basketball team, casinos all over, and nothing is open, it's just -- it's like a sci-fi movie that you would never believe. >> brian: so because you are on the forbes list, a self-made success story, you took enormous risks with your career and for the most part, it's panned out, but who would have ever predicted a once in a generatios time for you to get cash in. give us an idea of how much cash

is going out the window and what you need to sustain eight. >> this is what people don't understand, is we all pay today, yesterday's bills with today's money. and when he just got shut down in a 48 hour period, you still have a payroll and severance, $100 million for me because my payroll is $1.5 billion a year. which is done now, but my cash flow today is still $2 million a day, which is unfathomable, but that's why we've got to stay footed. i went out this week, the end of the year, but we have to get these people back to work, brian. we've got to do it in a steady way. the president has done a great job, shut china down, and all the leaders from all the states,

when they shut down the city of houston, i thought it was premature. but they were 100% right, and we've got to do this to the end of this month, and we've got to start opening up in may, not only on the financial side, but the mental health side is huge. i talked with so many people that say, hey, i just want to come back to work. i'll do anything, but i've got to get out of my house. we are all struggling. we are all struggling. >> brian: bloomberg is reporting, tillman, that you have actually looked for a loan, and you taken a loan at a rate of 50% interest, is that true? >> yeah, it was 12% because there was such demand, and it was -- you know what is so interesting, to show you how the world changed? two months ago, i borrowed a couple hundred million dollars at 3%, and here it is, now, a

few weeks later, and i met 12%. it was $300 million, but you have to have the insurance, because not the experts, not the politicians, not any of us, brian, had any idea how long this is going to last. you know, what scares me and made me do it, as i could get through most of the year, but when you study the spanish flu, which is kind of unbelievable, because it didn't start in spain, they were the only country and news organization that would acknowledge it, and that's why it's the spanish flu, but they started out like we did in the spring, but it came back so strongly into the fall, and then they had a little peek again in the spring, and so the one thing that we have to find a way to do is have the antiviral or the vaccination, this thing cannot come back or it will ruin the american economy. once we're back, we've got to

stay back, and it still going to take a few years for it to come back. >> brian: i will tell you that an hour ago, bill hemmer talked to one of the modelers from washington state, and they said the worst is over, and we see the numbers going down, the epicenter here in new york, with hospital admissions, icus, as well as into patients. there is a real positive sign. having said that, tilman, being you need people he hotels, people in your restaurants, and casinos, are you prepared to do something incrementally, with cleanliness, sanitation, obviously, and social spacing -- to do something incrementally to begin to stand up some of your businesses and everybody else's? >> absolutely, brian. it's a great question. we are already -- so much for sanitation vehicle the casinos,n mississippi to atlantic city, but even like in new york,

because we know how everyone is going to be scared. i have so many concepts in new york that we are going to do whatever we can do to show the cleanliness. you are not going to have anything that anything else can touch. there's not going to be salt-and-pepper shaker on the table. everything will totally be wiped down. kitchen and floor, everything, we will do. >> brian: i'm convinced of it. if you look at your success timeline, everything you put your mind to, you achieved, and you'll get through this again. that's where the confidence comes from. tilman fertitta, thanks so much. >> thank you so much, brian. >> bri exclusive interview with attorney general bill barr. don't move.

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>> i've heard from friends, their moms, dads, elderly who are obviously afraid during the coronavirus crisis. they have been contacted by robocalls, mail solicitation, being encouraged to give away their life savings to protect themselves against the coronavirus. there is a lot of fraud going on out there. what do we do to protect them from that? >> very early we set up for the task force. we have all 93 districts in the

department of justice. we believe prosecutor hitting those efforts in that area. we set up a task force here at the main justice department that has hotline where people can: that information is on the justice department website. it is a very good website that tells people what is going on. and even prosecuting people. >> what are typical scams like? >> to get 1,000 or $2,000 check from the government, put in your credit card information and we will make sure you get your banking information and so forth. or you know, we have a new kit my new task that will assure you and send in money. >> has anybody been charged at? >> we have charged people. and we've made a lot of progress on robocalls. in fact, i think we have taken out to companies in the united states responsible for almost half of the robocalls in the united states. >> brian: well, that is all we

have for tonight pier that was a great series. congratulations to laura forgetting that. if you want to watch me again fox & friends monday through friday six until 9:00 and if you're not sick to me nine through noon and what makes america great on fox nation. see you. speak >> shannon: president trump with the biggest decision he will ever have to make. when to reopen the country's economy and he's giving the most optimistic reading and weeks on the progress of the fight against the coronavirus. all of this setting up a potential showdown between the medical experts and new economic team putting together right now. tonight the federal communications commission has a tough question for trying about disappearing whistle-blowers who are raising alarms over china's handling of covid-19. and usa sounding the alarm over chinese company operating in the u.s. right now. joining us live with details. e