of april 10th, we wish you and your family a healthy and happy easter together. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." information is our chief weapon against the coronavirus, so every night we open our show trying to give you more of it. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher joins us now with a look at the very latest numbers.he >> if you look at the new york coronavirus numbers it appears to be kind of a mixed bag. you can see that from april 6th through seventh on monday new york saw a 7% increase in the number of infections. then from the seventh to the eighth the increase was only 6.5%. the next day it jumped up to 7.6 and today, it's gone back down

to 7.1%. a key barometer when it comes to flattening the curve is the number of people admitted to hospitals nicus and for new york this very encouraging news. watch. >> the change in icu admissions as as. negative number for the first time since we started this ivintense journey. >> in the meantime on the national level we are seeing a study or drop on national cases. on monday we had a 9% increase and each day the increase gets lower and today it's at 7.8%. dr. deborah brooks says we are today were italy was one week ago. but i also want to point out that there are some potential new hot spots including delaware, south dakota, maryland, rhode island and pennsylvania. it's interesting that washington state and california are being touted as examples or howw to flatten the curve, and yet los angeles county just

extended it stay mandate until may 15 saying things will get much worse. but they failed to offer evidence or perspective to back up those claims. tucker? >> tucker: trace, thanks so much for that. so you just heard the latest on where the virus is now. it's worth taking a moment to think about where it began. wuhan in central china was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus, and it's worth saying that out loud from time to time both because it's true and materially significant but also because a lot of the people in charge would rather you forgot. because wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we want to study what happened there carefully. it's worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started and how it moves so quickly to the rest of the world. even now we know surprisingly little of that for certain, though day by day, we are learning more. for example, how easily does the coronavirus spread through populations? early data from wuhan led researchers to conclude that every infected person on average, infected about two and half additional c people.

in epidemiological terms, that's a lot of people. that means the outbreak could double every six days and that's the assumption we m have been working out every sense. h now it looks like that assumption might have been a profound understatement of what's really happening. a new draft paper by a team of scholars concludes that the wuhan coronavirus is actually highly, highly infectious. based on extensive case analysis the researcher's estimate that the average infected wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. that's enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days. it is that estimate accurate? we don't know if it is. an awful lot of the conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong, and that's happened again and again oftenir with enormous consequences. for a moment, imagine thisin new number from alamosa is correct and the size was doubling every three days. among other things that would

mean that a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus. here's a mystery. the chineseec government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city of wuhan before they locked it down in january. most of these people presumably went on to other places within china but yet according to the chinese government, and by the way as well as all the availabla hievidence we have in the west, there were no other major outbreaks in china. not in shanghai or chengdu or beijing. meanwhile other cities all over europe and the unitedt states have been brought to their knees by the virus. how could this be? it doesn't seem to make any sense at all. for some reason almost nobody in the american media has even asked about it. that's strange. at this point we have no real explanation to why the coronavirus spread out the west but not throughout china. we should find that out. and that's not the only thing we don't understand about the pandemic. how about the most basic question at all, how deadly is it? in italy, 10% of people with

confirmed cases have died. in germany, just 2% have died. both of these numbers probably overstate the reality of the death rate given that most people are not tested until they are already sick. it's a very skewed sample. more competence of testing in one town in germany suggests a death rate of just .37%. what that number hold in every place or could it be that town was infected with may be a milder form of virus? or is it possible that some of those people are more vulnerable to illness than others. is that true with this virus? we don't know. while we are at it, if you are here are a few other questions. it is a virus seasonal? will it recede in the summer as q are all hoping before returning in the fall and winter? if infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? will the virus mutates of the people that get it this year will once again and got it next

year? and critically something we should be thinking about, what are the long-term effects ofe being infected with the coronavirus? many people may have it and don'tec know they do. but do they face long-term health consequences from being infected and if so, what are those consequences? we can only guess. those are some of the things we still don't know about the strange new virus from wuhan, china. it would have been nice if the authorities would have known a lot more about it before taking such dramatics steps in response to it. leaders had two examples to choose from is this pandemic bore down on our country. they could have chosen the swedish model coupled with voluntary distancing or they could have chosen the chinese model. total lockdowns, eternal travel restrictions and punishment for those that step out of line. the leaders chose the chineseto model. with every passing day the response becomes more restrictive. request that people stay indoors have become orders that people stay indoors.

people are being fined and arrested for driving alone. for playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean. how are measures like that keeping us safe? short answer is we don't know that they are keeping us safe. dr. anthony foshee who has -- dr. fauci is the face of the risk a response, to coronavirus is now suggesting that america could adopt a future comic feature of life popular to the mainland of china. internal passports. >> can you imagine a time when americans carry certificates of immunity?if >> it's possible. it's one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerablei people don't like vulnerable people are. this is something that's being discussed and i think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances. >> tucker: it might have some merit, your papers please. imagine a country where illegal

immigrants can work, drive, get welfare and vote all without a single flip authentic document. meanwhile over 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to produce the right to go outside. that could be where we are heading and with remarkable speed. for what has to be the first time in the history of this country, easter services have been banned in many countries. we are allowed to go to the supermarket but not rectus -- practice practice christianity in public. in michigan, governor wittner has required schools, stores to fence off areas that contain paint, furniture's and a home improvement goods. the governor of vermont has issued similar orders for stores there and other stores will doubtless follow.mo but with the rationale before this? wouldn't closing off more sections of the floor increase crowding? in the areas that remain open? where exactly is the science that shows this work? of course there isn't any. they feel like doing it so they

are doing it. politicians understand in the end of that the only risk for them is in restraints. authoritarian overreach is almost never punished. when the coronavirus has finally passed from this country our leaders want to be able to say they tookwh it seriously. but there is nothing serious reactions like this. these are mindless and destructive majors. instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dive into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first. bret baier is fox's chief political anchor and he hosts "special report" every night at six. we are always happy to have him. thanks for coming on. we haven't seen a ton of political debate. you cover politics obviously, political debate in public anyway over the nature of the restrictions we are living at her. deas expect a public conversation about's to emerge >> bret: i think so, tucker. you saw the president today in his task force rating saying

-- briefing saying this decision he has coming up will be the toughest decision of his life as he decides when and if the country is going to open up in certain sections. how it's done specifically, and he has this second task force, a reopening council he's calling it that he will launch on tuesday. that is the crux of the issue. the economy versus the health of our country and, where is the balancing act? on the economy side as we talked because about we are really taking it on the chin. >> tucker: i wonder if -- and this is a broad question, i'm wondering your impression. i'm wondering if political leaders are more afraid of seeming to overreact or more afraid of seeming to under react? >> bret: well, i think they are really concerned about the health of the american people obviously. wheny you see death numbers like 777bo out of new york, that's startling. and more of that and the death toll affects the public policy,

and how people think about things. at the same time you have stories of small business owners who are not having the easiest time getting this money that was promisedvi them through banks. at the small business loan programgh is not so smooth as of yet out the door, and the balancing act here, i think they are more worried about overreacting. >> tucker: interesting. i mean maybe it's early for this question but do we have polling on whether congress is response to this $2.2 trillion packages popular? do citizens feel like they are helped by this or will be? >> bret: they are going to get that check and a couple of days, the $1200 check. but again it's been a long time since -- i do think the big issue. but, it's not going to be a flick of a switch for the countries suddenly goes on and

the economy kicks off. people feel comfortable that they can go out and dodo things and that will take leadership and determination by federal, state and local authorities. >> tucker: well that's it. you just put your finger on it right there. federal, state and local. this is the biggest decision i have to make, you'll hear it soon. a lot of these decisions are taking place at the state level. it's the governors that are shutting things down. will that change? >> bret: well, it's going to have to. this council on tuesday will include some governors, democrats and republicans. it will include some local officials whether those are mayors, we don't have a complete list yet, and business people well as health experts.

and that decision and how it goes will determine, i think, whether president trump is reelected or not. >> tucker: i think that's likely to be absolutely true. i hope you come back again. bret baier, thanks a lot.uc a new poll confirms what, if you have google, you already knew. people have affection for her and they tolerate but they don't necessarily think should be there standard bearer in the election. according to "the new york post," a new poll finds that 56% of democrats voters would like bite -- biden replace on the ticket by governor andrew cuomo. the official campaign is getting a ton of free advertising from cnn. >> i seen you referred to a little bit as the love gov, i wonder if that's bleeding into you being a soft president. >> i'm a soft guy, i say let it

go. go with the flow, baby. >> tucker: this is called the process of humanizing a candidate. everybody takes andrew cuomo seriously. andrew cuomo is doing briefings on tv every day but the question is, could i like a guy like that? and that's when it helps to have a brother who works in television. the love govioio had himself on. listen. >> argue now giving different >> no. consideration running for president? >> it was a good question, but why? >> it is typically a good question. >> i told you, i'm a thinking being. i'm thinking about a lot of things. i'm not that politician who says, yes i want that, it's all about me. love gov says, i give you my word.

and my word is good. i'm not your typical guy. don't laugh, you will pay. chris, you will be better. >> tucker: i'm not one of those governors who thinks about, i don't know, being president? [laughter] the question is, a legal question actually, is cnn reporting any of these segments as in-kind contributions to the fec? that's a political campaign add that you just saw. are they admitting it? buck sexton hosts the buck sexton show. we are happy to have him on with us. thank you so much for coming on. i just want to be clear, we have kind of laid off the cnn host over there. he has coronavirus and he's broadcasting from his house. and i admire that. i wish him well. i feel sorry for him being trapped down there but leaving that aside, having a presidential candidate on your show and humanizing him in the way that they are doing in a transparent political way, why is that different from a campaign add?

>> it's not. i think you could make the case that cnn is effectively an ongoing contribution to the dnc. i think the pretense that cnn clings to adjust as an organization, for example their prime time lineup, anyone can try this and some of the hosts are very aggressive on twitter so, you at home could actually ask and you might even get an answer from some of the more thin-skinned ones. you could say are you a journalist or are you and no opinion host? cnn is alone in having people that are clearly of opinion but act as though they are journalists and get a pass for exactly what you're talking about which is being effectively a propaganda arm, and i actually worked at cnn during the 2016 election believe it or not and what was being set off and on error favored hillary clinton and was jaw-dropping. then they found out there was at least one case of someone getting questions so, there was

a lot of bad behavior in that regard. we don't think cnn will ever be held responsible for this. they are clearly doing everything they can to stopp trump from getting reelected. if that means somebody stands in for biden, they are willing to do that too. >> tucker: you make a really smart point to. we just had bret baier who is our political correspondent on. i couldn't wring an opinion out of him. if i tried. he won't give his opinion there is not one person on cnn period. like that. not one. is there? >> not on a prime time lineup. what is amazing is they claim to the old model of thinking that they are so right in their opinions that thatth subjectivity which is both delusional and a little scary, but i would say this. there is also up broader issue here and people are not trying to rewrite the history of who said what about the pandemic and, conservative media was wrong, that's ridiculous and a

farce. even beyond that the lack of trust that we have now and objective news media that claims to be objective at least, that has been a big problem because of course there is the sense that these people are pushing an agenda in places like cnn. of course, it's absurd to think otherwise, so then when we get lectured and talked down to for saying, hold on a second. when for example nancy pelosi holds up funding for america small businesses and they change the headlines to effective at the stalemate, we all know what that'sli about. >> tucker: because they are completely in the tank. buck sexton, great to see you. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. big tech is already spying on them almost everything you do. if you have a phone, they know exactly where you are. but the coronavirus will allow them to do it even more under thehe guise of public health. we will tell you more after the break ♪ ♪

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♪ >> tucker: apple and google make billions of dollars by harvesting your personal data. private information about you. so it's not surprising how they'd like to fight the coronavirus, teaming up and making a tracking app that monitors you through your phone. what could go wrong? matt finn is here live. with more on that, the two tech rivals are actually hey, matt. collaborating to develop software that will alert you if you cross paths with someone whl has tested positive for the coronavirus. in a statement today apple says the software will use existing bluetooth technology already in our smartphones.ps

the tracing apps will notify you if you come within a certain distance of another phone belonging to a person that tested positive for the coronavirus. the software is able to look back for 14 days to tell you where you might have come into contact with someone with covid-19. this only works if people tested ompositive for the coronavirus e willing to share that medical information entered into a phone. apple says some of the technology will be available next month. trump says the technology raises privacy concerns. but he will take a look at it. if a person deletes the app, their private information is also erased. the aclu's sales tracing apps could be effective in curbing the coronavirus until there is widespread and free testing. the aclu writes in a statement" people only trust the systems that they protect privacy, remain voluntary and store data on individuals device.

not a centralized repository. the aclu says it will remain vigilant to make sure tracing apps like these remain voluntary. tucker? >> tucker: matt finn, great to see you tonight. thank you. and by volunteering, that means you agree to it but doesn't necessarily mean that you have any idea you agree to it. it is cool that the aclu was looking out for you. we should say that that is totally fine. and if you have any problem with it at all, that some kind of paranoid disloyal american. some want bands and measures like this to last indefinitely, at least a year or more. what kind of country are we creating and can we maintain any semblance of last month? ned ryan is founder and ceo. thanks so much for coming up. we really could choose the

chinese model here. closing down churches, using technology to track our own citizens. could there have been another model other than the chinese model at and the chinese pandemic? >> i think sweden has taken a responsible approach and said certain people have to be quarantined but we are not going to shut down the entire country. i think the thing that's terrifying about all of this, we are building this orwellian a surveillance state. combining big government and big tech. reagan said some of the most terrifying words in the english language, and even more terrifying version of that is i'm from the government and big tech. i do not trust them. when you hear about a national coronavirus surveillance system being proposed by someone in the white house? i think trump and also the

stupidity of it. what dr. fauci's head about immunity cards. how do you have enough people with immunity cards if you're calling for quarantining and people sheltering in place? atar some point, we as the american people have to decide it, and i do not think. and if we do surrender, we will be free people. >> tucker: i hope at some point the public will be consulted on this. but it seems like power has moved to the hands of unelected people. you have to kind of wonder about a system in which people who haven't been elected, about whom we know nothing for the most part are making consequential decisions.ed

is that a democracy? >> no, it's not and that's where some these red state governors have to take the bull by the horns. we are going to in a very responsible way have a red state revolt in which we open up a lot of our state, open up a restaurant and businesses, and we have two in the second half of april, stop listening to models that are filled with garbage assumptions and garbage data and let's get some real stuff and have a conversation. my concern tucker in all of this, if we continue down this pathway might end up with moreis suicides and bankruptcies than actual coronavirus deaths. we are destroying the economy and we have 17,000 americans of -- 17 million americans that are unemployed. in the first three weeks of this. if we continue down this path, this will be far more deadly than >> tucker: at the very least the disease. we should demand actual evidence to justify these decisions. next week we will be interviewing a series of governors and political leaderse

and just asking them respectfully, but where is the science to justify what. we are doing? maybe they will great to see you tonight. have a good answer. so let's say you are running a >> thanks tucker. country and your job was to protect your nation from coronavirus. what would you do? the best strategy would be listening to the world health organization and then do the opposite of what he recommends. his greatest hits next, but first, look what coronavirus has done to the world's greatest city. ♪ ♪ (music) ♪

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>> light from the headquarters i'm actually straw admirer. and the coronavirus pandemic the global death toll has surpassed 102,000. more than 1.6 million people are infected and at least 177 countries have been hit with a virus. more ravage damage reported and his first case on friday. in the u.s. a half million people have covid-19 and nearly 19,000 have died. public health officials are pushing back and the country could reopen by may 1st. meanwhile, the outbreak is changing the way they celebrate easter and other religious

holidays. in rome, good friday in front of an empty st. peter's square. america and other parts of the world, easter services will be celebrated at home, through the internet or tv. i'm ashley strohmeyer and back to "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: at the current pandemic is focused on awful lot of attention. they have quietly automatically unthinkingly spent billions of dollars supporting over the decades and most up we felt good about it. but now it's time to ask a veryp reasonable u question that the president is in fact asking. what are we getting for that support? china spends less than half as much as we do supporting the w.h.o. and it's clear what they get. they get a servile global organization that's abetting their rise to superpower status. tih.o. excludes taiwan for membership solely because beijing has demanded that they do that. b

cruelly, by the way. from the start of this pandemic the world health organization has done shockingly little to stop the virus from spreading izaround the world. in fact when the organization appears in public at all it seems to be functioning purely as an offshoot of chinese state media. the director of the world health organization has been this close to three years and was elected with the support of china over the opposition of the united states. in late january, tedros was gushing that china had contained coronavirus. in fact he said china had set a standard that the restin of the world ought to copy. >> the chinese government is to be congratulated with extraordinary measures it has taken to contain the outbreak. china is actually searching a settingg a new standard forrc outbreak response and that's not an exaggeration. >> tucker: all hail china.nd tedros was so confident that coronavirus was defeated that he

attacked other nations were not daring to take the race step to protect themselves. he said that would have thee effect effect of increasing's fear and stigma. with little public health benefits. on february 3rd he gushed about the chinese dictator and attacked any notion of slowing down global travel or trade. >> i was so impressed in my meeting with president xi, and his detailed knowledge of the outbreak, there is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. >> tucker: well that's just absolutely disgusting, stupid, it violates science common sense. tedros was completely wrong and because he was wrong, coronavirus became a global calamity. three weeks ago, as one country entered lockdown, he told the world you should imitate wuhan. >> wuhan reported new new cases

for the first time since the outbreak started. wuhan provides hope for the rest of the world and even the most severe situation can be turned around. >> tucker: that's one of the most corrupt displays i think anyone has ever seen on tape. of course, other countries wanted to reduce their caseload. they don't want to take the world health organization's advice. just like the cdc in this country w.h.o. was pushing the absurd claim that face masks somehow don't work and are not useful for containing the coronavirus. china, meanwhile, the country that tedros never stops praising did not agree with that. in fact they were hoarding masts. they were doing it all the way back in january. in fact, you start to wonder how honest the world health organization was even giving that advice. you also have to wonder how honest dr. tedros when he warned against the use of hydroxychloroquine to fight the virus. >> using untested medicines

without the right evidence could raise false hope. and even do more harm than good. >> tucker: at this point it's pretty obvious, this guy is trying to hurt people. he's intentionally trying to hurt us. if he wanted an effective anti-coronavirus strategy, he would just do everything that tedros tells you not to. that's been a pretty solid position to take for some time. before he ran the organization, and he was the health minister of ethiopia. on three separate occasions that country was ravished by cholera epidemics. he lied about it and refused to admit it was happening and said it instead it was just an outbreak of acute watery diarrhea. hundreds died during that outbreak and it was only accurately identified when it spread to neighboring countries. he lied on behalf of the ethiopian government which was

more worried about tourism than people surviving the epidemic. when he took over the world health organization he vowed to crackdown on corruption and that hasn't happened, either. the w.h.o. still spends 12 mini -- $200 million a year flying the staff around which is something other organizations band of their staff from doing. doctors without borders would never do something like that. corruption, dishonesty, cover-up, lying as people die? no wonder tedros and china are such profound allies. fortunately people are wising up to this. even the governor of new york, andrew cuomo says world health organization should be open to criticism. >> where were the warning signs? who was supposed to blow the whistle? the president has asked these questions and i think he's right. the answer is the world health organization should have been

blowing the whistle. i don't know if that's right or wrong but i know the question is right. >> tucker: the question is certainly right and the answer is very obvious. people died as a result they they didn't blow the whistle. started to run around calling themselves the world health organization. why should we support corrupt international organizations like this? funding the w.h.o. has only given us a hostile, dishonest bureaucracy that's directly responsible for spreading this pandemic. we should get out of that organization immediately and only fund health organizations that help people and prevent disease. and by the way, there are a lot of them, just not this one. christians who want to celebrate easter, that's many millions, may have to do it privately in their homes. no, this is still america, apparently, but it's happening. we will talk to a pastor who has been arrested by police for the

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♪ >> tucker: the coronavirus pandemic has certainly focus the mind of the country on which issues actually matter in which were frivolous. as horrible as this is, you are hearing what pronouns are to be used and which borders are racist to most people. not this guy, this is professor

at princeton called cloud jr. today on msnbc. >> we are dying and we are seeing disproportionate impact of this because inequality, that has defined american society for generations. i'm talking about black america. i think the pandemic will thrust back into the 50s and 60s. in terms of our economic standing. >> tucker: watching that makes me want to hope princetonms goes out of business soon. that's just garbage. of it doesn't help anybody. those words sound like something from another century, structural racism? coronavirus is going to bring cck jim crow? it's idiotic, it's mindless. coronavirus is hurting everyone in this country, it unites us and that way. it's killing people of all races and it doesn't matter what color you are. only people like that care what color you are because by dividing us they become more colorful. powerful. let's hope that ends soon. this weekend is easter but for the first time in this country

the country's christians can't celebrate with one another even if they want to. most governments will not allow them to gather in churches. mississippi is on lockdown at all nonessential businesses are closed, which means liquor stores are still open because they are essential but churches are not. according to the state. the king james bible baptist church has been trying to hold drive-in services which means parishioners remain in their cars but cops showed up and rated it. >> king james bible baptist church where i'm the pastor of the church. i'm a good citizen. i'm not breaking no law or selling drugs, i'm just preaching the word of god and look at all these police cars here. that james hamilton you heard on the tape.

kelly shackleford, thank you for coming on, both of you. first pastor, what exactly were you doing wrong? >> we weren't doing anything wrong. we were abiding by the cdc guidelines that the city had put in place also, in the state of mississippi. members of the church were inside of their cars and had the windows up, and i was preaching the word of god. so no one was outside. also we had cars at a distance and so legally we weren't doing anything wrong. we were going by the cdc guidelines so i don't understand why the police officers would come to our church and tried to break it up. >> tucker: that's totally outrageous. kelly shackelford, i'm assuming when this happened every civil-rights group in america jump to the pastor's defense, right? >> i don't know about that. we certainly did, the order in greenville is massively unconstitutional.

it targets churches in a way that it targets no other groups. cars in parking lots are fine. it's only a crime if the cars in the parking lot are at the church parking lot. i mean look at last night, you had probably six or seven cars there for the church and yet they were surrounded by police. i don't know if youete saw the video but one of the police officers came up to pastor. hamilton and said, because of that local order in greenville, mississippi, that his rights were suspended. those were the specific words that he used. like your constitutional rights are gone now. i don't know what country he thinks he is living in but the rights aren't suspended.d. i would just tell any church that has any of these issues, we have a lot of this information. go to first liberty.org. just spell out first liberty. it will tell you that you do have rights. we want to follow the cdc guidelines and we don't want anybody to be injured. but that doesn't get people to

discriminate against churches. statement of course it p doesn'. i'm not against liquor stores but liquor stores don't answer the question, what happens when you die. which is something that people need to know them. the people dying from this pandemic. how do you feel that liquor stores get to continue but you can't celebrate easter in church? >> i think of it like this. i believe that liquor and beer have killed more people than the coronavirus ever would. it's a sad case in america. who would have ever thought that we would have a government in greenville that would pass such a law that would allow the liquor store is curbside service, but will come to the church and disruptive church service? i would have never dreamed in a thousand years that america, the home of the brave and the land of the free ever pass this law and would consider a liquor store essential but church nonessential. i am shocked. >> tucker: so 87,000 americans died from alcohol last year.

this epidemic is projected to kill 60,000, and you are factually right. i would like to go out on this. i would like to know, and if you know the name, don't say it on the air, but who made -- what liquor stores get a pass but hassle your church with armed police officers? what politician decided that was a good idea? >> eric simmons, he is the mayor, he's a supporter of joe biden. he made a decision that because most of the virus coming was linked to the churches, that's why he came down very hard on the churches do not have drive-in services. i can tell you when 20 plus cars came to our church, we felt -- not just me, we felt intimidated. we felt frightened. i heard about this coming to our country but i never thought i would feel so afraid and my

people would feel so frightened intimidated by police officers. >> tucker: you hear about civil rights violations, this is an actual civil rights violation. pastor, thank you so much for coming on and kelly shackleton,o we appreciate you. >> thank you, tucker. so health officials have hoped that a new test for antibodies will let us know how exactly that this virus has spread. will the dr. siegel has the latest on test be reliable? land. we will be right back. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: in tonight's installment of tweets that haven't aged well, we present congressman eric swalwell. he tweeted "stop wearing face masks." a month later he backtracked, "i regret listening to the surgeon general and posting this, we all need to wear masks." this is a guy who believes the administration is controlled by russia so why would he listen to the surgeon general? why wasn't eric swalwell thinking for himself? because he can't. health authorities are rolling out a new antibodies test to estimate how widespread the infection is in this country, dr. marc siegel joins us with more on that plus efforts to develop a safe and effective vaccine.

>> i spoke to tony fauci this morning and he said testing is proceeding rapidly but the trick is going to be to get a unified test and a 70 different companies and labs have applied to the fda for emergency approval. he thinks over the next few weeks we will get an antibody test where we can say you have been exposed, now you're over it, you can go back to work. at the same time he talked to me about vaccine development and he said that the vaccine the nih is looking at is very encouraging and it's about to go out of phase one trials and into phase two. if that's where they see how effective it is and look into the manufacturing process, by the time it gets to market, tons of regulations but a lot of money has to be put into it come up to about a billion dollars in the manufacturing process. they warned in developing a vaccine, they can turn the virus into a super virus where you

actually see more effects from the vaccine that make you worse. that has happened and they are looking very carefully at animal models to make sure it does not happen here. its one of the reasons it takes a wild, tucker, to get enough facts and vaccine. you don't want to get a vaccine that you think works and try out that there is a big side effect like that. you've got to work out the bugs in advance, tucker. >> tucker: that's absolutely terrifying. that's what they are working on now, the few seconds we have left, trying to make it safe. >> yes, he does think it's safe. he said the virus hasn't mutated yet and he thinks this is going to work, he's very optimistic about

>> tucker: amazing. thank you so much. that's all the time we have throughout the week. have a very happy easter. if you are in isolation, we hope you are with the ones you love. bill hemmer is next. we'll see you monday. ♪ >> bill: it is 9:00 p.m. here in new york city, the epicenter of the covid-19 epidemic in the united states and i'm bill hemmer reporting live for the next hour. sean took a day off and in the spirit of easter, he is forgiven. here is where we stand as of tonight. breaking earlier, the president creating a white house task force developing how and when we restart our economy. this is a death tall, more than 100,000 dead worldwide, in the united states the death toll is more than 18,000. in the california, that is where we bin