these entertainers, "i'm sad again." why? "i'm on the telly." >> sean: with that said, we need some comedic relief. laura, a rough story of. >> laura: i've got -- i can't keep up with any of this at times. celebrities who go to their montana estates and opine on the difficulties of sacrificing during all of this. i mean, there's only so much you can take after a while. i think dennis miller is a great idea right about now frankly. >> sean: at least the leveling is starting to drop. the patterns hold, the precipitous drop. i want to go to a baseball game. i will even invite you. you and dr. oz. >> laura: i get an invitation once every five years. i take that, hannity.

opening day whenever that is in 2024, i'm coming with you. >> sean: what about opening day -- we've got to figure out how to open this country. we will. >> laura: great interview with pompeo. fantastic. >> sean: elbows out. no handshake. >> laura: hannity, thanks so much. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. as he announces the creation to boost the economy, protesters in north carolina are demanding we get to it already. whome depot cofounder bernie marcus, can't wait to talk to him. andmi plans to open the countryn my exclusive interview i did with covid task force leader vice president mike pence.si plus president trump met with coronavirus survivors who credit hydroxychloroquine with their recovery. former nflve tight end mark

campbell was one of them. he's going to be here to tell us his miraculous story. and reverend franklin graham here to respond to the latest round of attacks from the left.s get this, they are now targeting the field hospital he set up as an amazing charity to treat all the people of new york city who need help. it's unbelievable. i'll get into that. on top of that, the left is trying to make the covid outbreak about race. candace owens fires back. but first, my thoughts at the end of day 29, america and shut down. we know too many americans continue to die of the novel coronavirus, but we also witness the flattening of the covid-19 curve. thus it was not surprising that we heard the strongest indication yet that the white house is ready to green light a reopening of large parts of the country.

>> the plans to reopen the country are close to being finalized. certain states as you know are in much different condition and in a much different place. it's going to be very, very close, maybe even before the date of may 1st. >> laura: i think we are talking a couple of days, you can read between the lines there. it's clear the president never contemplated mandating a one-size-fits-all report on the approach. that would be insane. new york is not the same as other states. remember, it was two weeks ago that governor cuomo and health experts were fearmongering thatr the entire nation would soon look like new york. these horrific images of refrigerator trucks lined up outside hospitalsan coast-to-coast. that was insane and we called it out at the time because we knew that was not correct.

for weeks, we've also told you that the covid models were all wrong. the mortality numbers are far below thankfully initial projections. projections that we have to remember spurred governors to institute the stay-at-home orders in most of america. i think it's fair to say that closing businesses and schools and undoubtably both saved and ruined lives. throughout the crisis, ordinary citizens in court are now starting to challenge and rejecn some of the heavy-handed and arbitrary moves by state officials. michigan governor gretchen whitmer, contact kentucky governor steve bashir coming under increased scrutiny for their recent shut down moves. the angle has urged the statehouses to come back into session to challenge these actions, but so far even though these aren republican majorities, they are m.i.a. we did however, seen signs of

life in pennsylvania today or by a vote of 107-95, republicans passed a bill to overturn democrat governor tom wolf's strict business shutdown rule, erwhich was far more severe than the federal guidelines. it's about time. the thinking is that since the virus will probably be a threat for months or years, it's important that we have a vision. it's important we have a plan to get back to work. california governor gavin newsom thinks he has a plan to get his state back to work, kind of. but could it actually be a plan to avoid a return to normalcy? in thehe golden state, more than 780 have died due to the coronavirus, and as tragic as any and all loss of life is and it sure is, that figure is astonishingly low for a state of 40 million people. compare that to the numbers in

new york, a state with half the population and more than ten times the covid deaths. yet today, gavin newsom insisted that the state could only begin to reopen if six distinct conditions were met. they are quite involved and perhaps quite not realistic. we w will get into more with home depot cofounder bernie marcus. by the way, we painted this in "hannity." if you miss baseball, nba, college sports, looking forward to college football in the fall like i am, don't look for any hope from gavin newsom. >> large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations. >> laura: looked, californians

going to have to decide for themselves how much of their freedom, their work, their schooling, their leisure, the family time they are willing to sacrifice going forward for the promise of safety from a virus that so far, we did the math, has killed .002% of the states population. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 29, america in shut down. all right. joining me now is bernie marcus, cofounder of home depot and founder of the job creators network.k. great to see you tonight. the president today obviously is itching to get the country back nginto business. he sees the damage that has continued to add up. the unemployed, the hopeless, thein isolated, in addition to e catastrophic loss of life which is on the liable lead horrific. this reopening of the task for task force, are you going to be

on theta task force? >> they've had my name on it. >> laura: your name is on it! all right. >> i'm really not sure. >> laura: bernie, why is this moment in america's history is so important given the balance between protecting life and protecting livelihoods? >> i've been around 90 years and i've seen a lot of things come and go in america and i've watched wars and i've watched inflation and i've watched deflation, and i must tell you i've never seen anything like what we are involved with today. i've never seen it in such a short period of time affects so many people and i just want to compliment the president on passing the bill, the paycheck protection. this is a brilliant stroke that he had to do, he got us through

congress which wasas kind of amazing to me. the small businesses represent 50% of the jobs that created america today, 70-80000000 people. they are devastated. when you say open up, i hear this. i've spoken to a couple of lieutenant governor's in the last couple of days and i tell them all the same thing. look, the one thing we have to be careful about is the government has a responsibility here, the responsibility, the health of all people to make sure that we don't get into another series of attacks of this virus. but when it comes to business, my god, let the business people decide how they are going to do it. and what they are going to do. i can imagine that any businessman who knows what he's doing had to be working on this problem for one month at least. every issue is different. i saw the task force that he put

togetheren today between airlin, retailers, hospitality, and all of the others, they are all disparate. everyone is different than the other. the problems they are going to come across are so different and each one has to be handled differently. i will give you the perfect example. take a dentist. now that's one on one. how is he going to deal with his patients? how is he going to determine hos his patients come in, who he's going to see? he feels he's very close nose to nose with them. how does he protect himself, how does he protect them? then on the other side, you go back to what you and hannity were talking about and that is a football stadium full of people. they have a different issue. the guy who owns the italian restaurant, he's also got a different issue and his issue is how does he get people back in? people are afraid to be next to each other.

i go out for walks and i go out and walk and i come across people and they walk away from me. nobody is passing by each other. we are now -- it's part of our how we deal with each other. are they going to go back to restaurants question mckee's got to go -- number one, what am i going to do to get them into restaurants, number two, how do i get them comfortable. how do i protect my employees, and number four, how do i protect the customer and still make a living and still get some profits somewhere. each one has to be done differently. i don't think the t government n do that. i just don't think so. >> laura: bernie, you mentioned restaurants. i have a good friend in my hometown who owns a couple of wonderful restaurants. these restaurants have been around for 35 years. they were virtually in tears when they had to lay off their

300-400 employees.am people like family to them. we have no money coming in.mi i don't know how we are going to pay our rent on these restaurants and when they say we can socially distance, we are going to cut our restaurant traffic by two-thirds, well, we are out of business. that is a catastrophic series of business failures coming up, which i don't think we've begun to think about. that is a loss of life, and loss of life, which is horrific, but there is a loss of a sense of community here with the restaurant business, one business i'm focusing on for example. that's kind of hard to socially distance in new york city where you have to pack them in. >> everyone has w a different kd of story. there are some people in the airlinetr industries who have another issue, how do they put people in but you can't pack them in anymore. it's not going to fly. can they fly a plane without the

load they did before? everybody has a differentnt thig so you put a task force together, i think you can come up with some general things, but you cannot come up. we don't need government running businesses. that's the problem. that's what i'm concerned about. we do not want government involveded with running the business is. the government had to do what they did. i think trump did exactly what he had to do. he did it, i think he didn't do it early enough but he didn't know. remember, he was involved with this impeachment nonsense going on and on and on. the whole world was involved with that. he did ask when he had to have. but now all of a sudden we look at a situation and i can tell yyou right now, i would guess that 10%, 15% of the small businesses won't open. they are not going to be able to do it. they have not been able to sustain themselves during this period of time. they live month-to-month, sometimes the rents are so high

especially in a city like new york, the rents were in our mr. they cannot go 3-4 months without tenants coming in. i have to tell you this, american business people are pretty damn smart. they didn't bring this upon themselves. it came and i trust them to get out of it. just give them help, give a little help., this business protection plan, i'm just pleading with pelosi to give up her high horse and stop looking for money for museums when people out there who need it for payroll and to cover their rent and expenses. you't can't be holding small .businesses hostage. you just can't do it. w>> laura: bernie, we also can stimulate our way out of this problem. the president has made this point over and over again. we've got to figure out a way to get people back to work.

otherwise we can have all the safety for the next chinese virus that comes here or another place, but if people don't have jobs, they are going to start believing in capitalism and the free market real quick if it turns out they can't trust the models, projections are wrong, turns out you start a business y and you get hosed, can't reach small businesses -- at some point in time, bernie, people are going to say, you know something? we either have to let this fly with some new protocols in place or it's just not -- it's just going to collapse and that's what people, regular working people, the people i came from,u the people you came from, that's what they are worried about. they were in raleigh, north carolina, today, we have some video of it, protesting, 100 americans including a small business owner, woman, ultimately arrested because you can't protest anymore. this is what she said. watch. >> it's scary. our livelihoods are at stake. this isn't just -- this is my

livelihood. we put everything in our businesses and it's really sca scary. >> laura:: north carolina is otobviously not new york with te number of a deaths in covid. one-size-fits-all does not work for us. we want to go to work with new order call. she's right and she's got a very good point. notth everything is closed, is ? pharmacies are open. grocery stores are open. home depot is open. there are many businesses open, they are functioning. they are taking care of their employees. they are making sure employees stay safe. they are concerned about the customers. we don't have to wait for this thing to turn all the way down. fauci and people in the medical area, those people would like to see t no deaths, no infections.

everything is safe. it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen for a long time. we can't wait until the end. that's going to be a disaster for us. it's like walking off a cliff and falling't over. people can't pay their rent, they can't pay their car payments or anything else. i think the president is right. he's thinking right. he's a businessman and he understands what the small people are going through. >> laura: it's the working class people, bernie, always ending up suffering the most. we wanted to have you on for so long. thank you very much for spending time with us tonight. we really appreciate yourea perspective. coming up, my exclusive one-on-one interview with covid task force leader vice president mike pence. that's next. - when i noticed

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♪ >> laura: earlier today >> laura: earlier today i spoke exclusively with vice president mike pence with thee administration's response o the virus including the plan to reopen the country. take a look. mr. vice president, thank you very much for joining us in our socially distance manner here. >> vice president pence: thank you so much, laura. >> laura: dr. fauci said, "we are not there yet in terms of tracing and tracking" that heeo believes is necessary to reopen the country. what does that mean necessarily? i think americans are looking for safety and assistance here. >> vice president pence: president trump has made it very clear he wants to reopen the american economy but we want to do it at a time that is responsible, be safe to the american people and we are going to be producing new guidance were states across the country and to know when that would be possible. but has dr. fauci suggested a

big part of that will be a kind of testing, and the only testing where you can diagnose whether or not you have the coronavirus but also what the experts call the kind of surveillance testing and literally just this morning we brought our entire testing team together, all of our supply personnel, and develop being a framework as we speak for making it possible a broad >> laura: the concern is for public safety but also whetherei these goals being set for the health care professionals, look at this very important aspect of american life, obviously, that by some measures 6-7000000 test a week. by some measures, per day, would be necessary in order to reach that ultimate testing and tracking bar. is that realistic and can the country wait until we have all

the people in place, all the volunteers in place, the framework in place in order to do that? >> vice president pence: that'll be a decision for the president of the united states to make. you saw today unveiled a broad range of leaders virtually from every sector of the economy that will be giving him counsel about how we can move forward in ay responsible way to reopen our economy. make no mistake about it, we are going to be listening very carefully to our health care experts and ensure we have a sufficiente amount of both the diagnostic and surveillance testing to be ablele to allow my businesses to begin to reopen, may be educational institutions reopen. but our recommendations would be specific to those areas of the country where we've seen some limited impact but will also have guidance. >> laura: he said it's pretty much really optimistic to think

may 1st is going to be possible. those are all the signs he's giving in multiple interviews. my question is is there any dispute between a more pessimistic -- which he says, about this cautiously optimistic and the president given th the l pain also being felt by those who have lost their job and a lot of people losing health out there that this is ever going to read reopen? >> the timing will all be determined by the president when we are at a responsible moment where we are on track to put the coronavirus in the past. that's in the hands of the american people. >> laura: on the testing and tracking we are hearing about, there are a lot of americans, the stuff they read online, the government is going to track me, the government is not going to let me work unless i'm tracked and tested and so forth. what can you tell the american people about that given what they've heard about some of

these solutions in order to reopen? >> will always protect the the liberty of the american people. and the testing recommendations that will accompany new guidelines for reopening america. we'll make it possible for us to do two things, laura. number one, quickly diagnose people who have symptoms that may be from coronavirus. but when you hear about surveillance testing, that just simply means being able to test a sufficient number of people to determine those that may have the coronavirus but not be aware of it. but it's simply two different models of testing and making sure we deploy the resources and activate resources around the country to do both things will be an important part of not only reopening america but keeping america open. >> laura: how close are we on the immunity testing though because i know it's a little iffy on the false positives,

false negatives, and whether they are necessarily that effective in determining whether you've actually been exposed or just may have been exposed? >> we expect the fda to approve a new antibody test in a matter of days and if approved could literally create more than 20 million new tests a month. but to your point, laura, that'll be a test that'll tell you whether you have had the coronavirus in the past and the weather youet might in fact be immune to it going forward. >> laura: andrew cuomo said today in his daily press conference and also an appearance on tv that if the white house tried to force new york to reopen, he would takeke the white house to court. is that the state of affairs, the relationship between the white house in new york at this point? >> vice president pence: we have forged a very strong working relationship with governor cuomo, mayor de blasio on behalf of all the people of new york and i

have every confidence that going forward as the president makes a decision and we issue new guidelines forde reopening amera that not only new york but states around the country will continue to cooperate, continue to work with us because we will be tailoring those guidelines based upon the science, based upon the best interest, and based upon the coronavirus outbreak in those particular communities. in so there will always be disagreements in public life, but i have too tell you, where e come to today and i know where we go tomorrow the american people can b be confident president trump will marshal all resources of the federal government, we'll always put the health of america first. >> laura: it's not a one-size-fits-all for the whole country. new york is different from nebraska. >> vice president pence: it's

not a one-size-fits-all. the team that america assembled, our health experts have literally been tracking on a county by county basis thee outbreak of the coronavirus. and we've been working with states and i can tell you that in the president's direction, we've ensured states have what they need when they need it based on the dimensions of the outbreak in that state. when we issue the guidance, will focus the guidance based upon what the data and what the signs and what the best recommendations in america share. >> laura: will you take into account the fallout, social isolation, oppression, suicide, drug abuse, spousal abuse, child abuse, despondency. we saw that after the 2008 collapse. now the imfap is saying this downturn could be the worst since the great depression.

are you taking that into account while you look at all the medical data underlying the virus and stuff? >> president trump said this will clearly be the biggest decision of his life and it's because he's looking at every aspect of this. when he speaks about his unique responsibility as president it's because he understands that it's not just a matter of looking at health data. it's a matter of looking at the interest of our economy, what's in the interest of what they rightly apprehend the emotional and psychological impact upon americans and he's brought advisors together to bring a full range of counsel to him to make that decision. >> laura: p the senate is out t unless the next seven days. the house is not going to come back until may 4th. you have spoken so eloquentlyer about the whole of government

approach. what you and the president is describing as a war and health crisis with this virus, shouldn't congress be part of this decision whether we are going to open or say stay closed?if not, why not. >> vice president pence: it goes to the decision of opening america. we brought together not just business leaders from every sector of our economy but political leaders in both political parties to offerns counsel. >> laura: you are fine with them notot coming back into session, the biggest crisis we've had, they are in their home district. you have obviously served on the hill, government workers are putting their lives on the line doctors, and we are spending trillions of dollars, and yet they flying into vote and then they leave. >> vice president pence: laura, i have two things about that. i'm very grateful for the buy parts and efforts that put three bills on the desk that not only

made coronavirus testing three for every american, extended paid family leave, but the extraordinary rollout over the last week of paycheck protection allowing small businesses to keep people on the payroll for two months, support for industries around the country. it really has been congress at its best in passing all these bills. but to your point, congress can act by what's called unanimous consent and really calling on the leaders of congress to expand the paycheck protection bill, another $250 billion. there has been tremendous interest in that, that congress can act by a voice vote and encouraging them to do that even without having to come back to washington, d.c. >> laura: comingg up, the left continues to put politics had met kaczmarek ahead of lives.now going to fraf doing a horrible thing donating a field hospital tolf

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>> live from america's news headquarters, i am jackie ibanez in new york. president trump halting payment to the world health organizati organization. recent criticisms of the w.h.o. is saying the organization should have done a better job in visiting reports coming out of china. president trump also claiming

the outbreak could've been contained at its source. the cuts will stay in place pending reviews on the organization's warnings the coronavirus. hitting health care workers critically hard, cdc reporting nurses and doctors are making up to 20% of all u.s. coronavirus cases. the data also showing those infected tend to be younger and hospitalized at lower rates than infected patients. this is the first of national data that shows how infection is affecting health care workers. i am jackie and bonnie is. to "the ingraham angle." for more of your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. >> reached out to pastors and other spiritual counselors, have you done that during this national emergency? >> i never say that but graham is someone special. he loves helping people and he loves jesus. i can tell you. >> laura: president trump last month sharing his thoughts aboun the reverend plankton

franklin graham whojust opened n new york city. many people in the city gladly excepted the help as thousands were stricken with covid-19 but the radical left was far from welcoming. >> i have a very hard time believing that why no other organization in the entire world that you could have partnered with to save people's lives. >> how has this group ever considered to bring their hatred and their vitriol into our city? >> laura: even as doctors and nurses treating patients, democrat city and state officials are claiming the croup is homophobic.om tonight, franklin graham himself is here to respond.'s reverend graham, great to see you tonight. why is your organization, by the way, i just sent a check because i got a solicitation in the mail for all the amazing work you've

done. why are you being attacked for building a field hospital? what's going on? >> we have a statement of faith, laura. we believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that goes back to the beginning of time, to the first man and woman that god created. this is our standard. for people that we hire, we are a christian organization. we are a religious organization. we want to hire people like mind and a statement of faith that we require our employees to sign. in that is that marriage is between a man and a woman. this is very offensive to some people in the gay community. i'm not homophobic and not going around bashing people because they may be homosexual. god loves all of us, he created

us all, but we also are sinners and our sins and separate us from god and i want people know that theyai have a relationship through god and that's through jesus christ. i want homosexuals to know the truth, that god loves them and jesus christ died for their sins. put their faith and trust in, god will forgive them. i'm no different from anyone else. i'm a sinner but saved by god's grace. >> laura: reverend graham,, the point of the matter is if it's a field hospital or around the world, you do not deny treatment or health to those based on their sexual orientation, correct? >> that's correct. we've never discriminated ever based on sexual orientation, gender identity, race, religion, anything.e now we are christians and we want to have a solid team of men

and women that believe the same and focus on the same. but our help is unconditional. it's to all people regardless ol what they believe or what they stand for. their politics. or anything else. we help everyone. so when we were asked to come to new york, fema posted on their kind of bulletin board that we had a hospital at this capacity. and mount sign i saw it, so we came. our goal is to save the life of new yorkers. not herey to get in a debate asa christian organization we have a right to hire who you want and that's the law. we abide by the law and very unfortunate these groups are distracting our team from helping the people that we want to help. the people of new york. it's a distraction. >> laura: reverend graham,e

other things going on with faith groups in the country right now duringht this h1n1 telmex p26 crisis three churches in america are now suing gavin newsom. harmeet dhillon a civil rights attorney involved represented in this case over his stay at home order. the associated press said that the state and local orders are overly broad and they can m contract safe social distancing in the same manner as grocerywh stores or other outlets. what are your thoughts on that given what happened in kentucky over the weekend during his easter services, federal judge issuing a temporary restraining order against the mayor greg fisher in louisville, reverend? >> i think, laura, our constitutional rights are being thrown out the window, aren't they? it's okay for liquor stores to be open, okay for walmart to be open, okay for grocery stores to be open. what a church wants to meet in the parking lot and sit in their cars and have police and come take their numbers of their

license plates and give them a ticket or sticking them a fine in the mail, this is absolutely wrong. we want to have i think we've got some problems in this country. if we don't get this country back to work soon. i agree with some of the other guests we said earlier that s americans need to get back to work. that's so important. i hope the president does this sooner t rather than later. >> laura: reverend graham, prayers that so many of us are trying to say all day long, at night, before we go to bed, try to heal this country's partisan divide. obviously that might be wishful thinking. but nevertheless, so important for people who feel isolated, especially the elderly and the vulnerable who can't make that human connection because of this crisis, what do you say to them tonight? >> that's a great question. first of all, remember this: god loves you. he hasn't forgotten you, he's not mad at you, he cares for

you. i believe in prayer and i believe in the power of prayer. we've been inviting people to call billy graham, the evangelist association, our website, people can call. people can call 24 hours a day, seven days a week to answer the phone to pray with you i if you wantnt prayer. it's been tremendous ministry -- people are afraid, laura. people are scared and they don't know what to do. god has not left. god is still here. we put our faith and trust in him. laura, we don't have to worry. doesn't mean we put our faith and trust in him that we get a pass, we don't have to go through the storm. but he promises to be with us. jesus said i'll never leave you, for sake you. he'll go through with us through the storms. this corona storm, he'll be with us. >> laura: reverend graham, thank you so much. thank you for what you've done for the city of new york. we really appreciate you being

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♪ >> laura: the left is now using the coronavirus emergency is just more evidence that america truly is just a racist

country. >> we are dying. and we are seeing the disproportionate impact of the burden of this pandemic cicely because of the precisely because of the inequality and the deep structural racism that has defined american society for generations. i'm talking about black america. and i think the effects of this pandemic will thrust back into the '60's and's these in terms of our economic standings. >> laura: squad leader aoc also said that in corunna, queens is the most heavily impacted zip code in america. i can tell you firsthand that many people are too scared to go to the hospital and continue to work because of trump xenophobic covid response. joining me now is candace owens. i really -- i don't even understand what aoc is saying, xenophobic? she now wishes we had flights coming in from china -- i don't even understand that point.s

reaction from what you just heard? >> first off i can say in herha defense she doesn't ever understand the point she's trying to make either in the same sentence you are talking about race being an issue you move on the xenophobia which would be a fear of foreigners, that makes no sense entirely.ar what we talk about with the race here, i'm going to give the left of the benefit of the doubt and i know no one's ever accuse them of being intelligent but i'm going to give them the benefit of thet, doubt and assume that f everyone of them thinks that the virus itself is racist. are they perhaps suggesting that minority people are harder hit d by certain diseases, is that plausible? yes. the number one killer in this country is heart disease. black americans are impacted more by diabetes and heart disease because we are is proportionatelywe overweight. does that have anything to do with race? no. what they are hitting it is not racial disparity, its economic disparity for our black americans poorer than other races in this country? yes. the question is why a question mike is not about coronavirus.

has nothing to do with history of racism, has to do with leftist policies. the biggest contributor to poverty is the inability to have a job. i do not see any leftists at the forefront saying we need to get to reopening this country or arguing we need to make sure that we prevent this great depression that seems like we are heading towardsde it if e did not get people back to work. nothing about that they are saying is making sense for they are not on the side of the angels when it comes to the pandemic. >> laura: the working class people, bernie marcus and i were talking about m it earlier, they always bear the brunt of these crises, they always pay the big prize, and african-americans have suffered enormously during this pandemic. there's no doubt about it. a lot of the underlying conditions, people across the spectrum suffer from, candace, prediabetes, diabetes, these are all tough things to have with this virus rolling around.

msnbc's chuck todd, you wouldn't be surprised, does not want to see the pandemic go to waste either. watch. >> there has always been in the quality in this country when it comes to access to health care. this pandemic is shining a light on that issue like no other time in our country's history. even after the virus is under control, those issues will remain, perhaps this makes lawmakers finally tackle them. >> laura: candace, anthony fauci, dr. fauci set a variant of that the other day and said we need to tackle the underlyiny he's going to move into policy on that when itto comes to health care i as well.y he said basically the same thing. >> you know, i think what we are really seeing especially on the left when we talk about these anchors is it's shifted for them to first and foremost, it's about fearmongering but now they've seen really an opportunity for them to put forth their own policies and to push through their policies because they never want to let something like this goo to wast. they say, we have a huge

opportunity, whereas people are very fearful, people who have very little information, we can control what information we put out and scare people into gettingre behind policies that e ultimately going to hurt them. none of these policies they offer are going to help black americans, help americans in general. obviously there is no greater killer in the world than poverty for people impoverished do not have economic means to help themselves, and yet we see the left push these policies. i disagree with dr. anthony fauci on various things. i think they mismanage a lot in terms of the estimations and there is no doubt that people who are going to be harmed the most coming out of this are impoverished people in this country. >> laura: candace, those people not able to get jobs even when the economy starts to reopen as bernie marcus is saying, it's not just going to magically come back to life. it's going to take a lot of hard work. candace, thanks so much.se great seeing you tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> laura: stay tuned. we have a last bite. it's a doozy.

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