is not the new normal but the normal for now. we are separated by ainsley sooner rather than later we hope we are back together. >> that's right. everyone stay safe and try to social distance, and we will see you tomorrow. thanks for joining us. ♪ >> sandra: fox news alert, frustration bubbling up amid new antilock down protests happening across the country has president trump wishes to restart the economy by may 1st in some parts, while health experts warn their virus could rebound if it all happens too fast. good morning everyone, i'm sandra smith. >> ed: i'm ed henry. the u.s. has 750,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 as people take to the streets demanding states reopen parts of their economies so they can get back to work. they support protesters. >> people feel that way. they are allowed to protest.

i watch the protests and they were all 6 feet apart, it was a very orderly group of people. but you know, some governors have gone too far. some of the things that happened are maybe not so appropriate and i think in the end it's not going to matter because we are starting to open up our states. and i think they will open up very well. we will be watching it, we are going to watch it very closely. >> ed: a brand-new bipartisan plan first reported on what's needed to get businesses up and running. but we can with fox news coverage byron york. but first to chief whitehorse, cow's correspondent john rober john roberts. >> beginning to spread across the country as people clearly get frustrated with his lingering stay lingering stay-at-home orders. those protests began in earnest in michigan as michiganders complained about what they called what arbitrary restrictions put in place by the michigan governor. now they are beginning to spread

to places like washington state, indianapolis, denver, ohio, kentucky, north carolina, utah and nevada. even in annapolis, maryland, picking up the chance to begin to reopen the country. a protest planned for annapolis at this hour come up this morning. over the weekend president trump saying he understands the frustration even as he lays out guidelines to get the country back to work. listen here. speak to you know, you see people picketing a little bit and they want to get out, they want to get out and live their lives but they've learned a lot. they learned about distancing. >> democrats have accused the president on campaigning with closures. here's what maryland governor larry hogan and house speaker nancy pelosi had to say yesterday. >> book. we are doing everything we possibly can to reopen in a safe manner but i don't think it's helpful to encourage demonstrations and encourage people to go against the

president's own policy. >> what we have to do is shelter in place and that is really the answer. testing, tracing, treatment, salt are in place. and i do think that it is unfortunate. but you know, people will do what they do. >> one of the reasons people are getting so frustrated is not being able to go to work of course. congress working on a way to ease the pain a little bit. after a weekend of negotiations congress closed in on the deal to replenish the small business administration paycheck protection fund. the total of the packages now about $350 billion in so-called ppp loans and 350 billion in idle disaster loans, 25 billion for testing and $75 billion for hospitals who are in desperate need of more funding. we could see action in the senate as soon as it's afternoon or more likely tomorrow but the house majority leader has said

they won't even begin to take up the issue in the house until wednesday. so the earliest we could likely see that sba ppp loan replenishes probably sometime on thursday. >> ed: okay, john roberts, we will keep watching. thank you. >> president trump>> sandra: nag aim at president trump on "fox news sunday" giving him a grade of f on covid-19 testing and accusing him of ignoring science-based plans to address the comic pandemic. >> if he continued to put forward proposals that were not science-based, he said it's a hoax, it's magically going to go away. okay, put that aside. but to proceed with policies which are not science-based or evidence based and to blame others, blame anybody. blame the governors, blame me, blame the world health organization. leaders take responsibility. he's a weak leader and he

doesn't take responsibility. >> sandra: joining us now is byron york, chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and chief contributor. you're right about that blame game in your piece this morning, as virus rages, leaders keep dodging blame. so who should be if anyone taking ownership of where we are with us today? >> well there are a lot of people in charge of various parts of the government and governments across the country. there's been no shortage of blame for president trump. we just saw some of that from speaker pelosi. what is extraordinary yesterday about the interview with chris wallace was that chris wallace asked speaker pelosi about a time, february 24th. remember february is the time that democrats say the president wasted and ignoring the virus. february 24 speaker pelosi's home in san francisco, goes to chinatown and urges the public to come to chinatown with the

shops and its restaurants because everything is great. chris asked her whether she was downplaying the virus at a critical time and she said absolutely not. as a matter of fact she was actually fighting bigotry of people who try to associate the virus with china or with chinese americans. she absolutely refused to accept that she had made any misjudgment in doing that. >> sandra: you go on in your piece to write, pelosi not only refuse to admit any mistakes but her encouragement of crowds during the pandemic was an actual virtue. in fact, it would be judged by today's standards as risky behavior. she was pressed on that on fox news sunday over the weekend on encouraging people to go out and walk in public in february and here's how she responded. >> don't you think that when you're out walking without any

mask -- i understand this is february and not april and this happened, and saying there's no threat and it's perfectly safe there, or you also adding to this perception that there wasn't such a threat generally? >> no, i was saying you should not discriminate against chinese-americans as some in our administration were doing. by the way they were labeling the flu. >> sandra: so there was her defense of that, she was trying to end what she called discrimination and a stigma attached to asian-americans. byron, let's turn your focus to the protests that we are seeing in some parts of the country as a president tries to reopen. your thoughts? >> i think most people in the country with basically signed on for this until may 1st. remember, it's only april 20th right now. so there's more time to go. but clearly what we have to realize is when the situation is vastly different in some parts of the country from other parts

of the country. obviously the new york metropolitan area, the new york city metropolitan area has been an absolute disaster. there are other hot spots in detroit or new orleans or other places but there are many, many parts of the country where this is not as serious where if they go a number of days, let's say ten or 14 days with a number of cases going down then they can in a smart and careful way, still using social distancing another major majors begin to reopen parts of the economy. that's what the president is talking about, the white house is talking about and some governors are talking about and people can't wait for that to happen. >> sandra: but still there's a big question over these protests. and you've seen in various states and various municipalities some of the leaders there saying that it's getting dangerous the way some of these protesters are collecting. nancy pelosi was asked about those protesters by again

chris wallace over the weekend and here's how she sees things. >> people will do what they do but the fact is we are all inpatient and we all want out. but what they are doing is really unfortunate. the american people know that the good health of themselves and their families and their loved ones is what is important and that is why you have seen such a overwhelming commitment to shelter in place and people distancing because really it is the key to how we will open up our economy. >> sandra: byron, this is the question this morning. how we do this and what it eventually looks like. final thoughts? >> while no one-size-fits-all solution works here. the speaker is from california, the situation in new york has been desperately bad. there are other places where they can go ahead and the

speaker almost sounded a bit tone-deaf given the incredible suffering that people had been undergoing around the country. unemployment has shot up in an historic way and people are not getting enough ppp money, the paycheck protection money from washington. they are worried about their savings and worried about everything. so governors and other leaders should be talking about how they can meet the conditions that will allow them to open up as soon as possible. >> sandra: big questions going forward to. we have an update 20 minutes from now, neiman marcus reportedly having to shut its doors on file for bankruptcy. byron york, great to see you this morning. thank you. >> ed: meanwhile at the white house and congress close in on the deal more really funding, bipartisan problem solvers caucus has released a

benchmark checklist for getting the economy open again. that includes rapid widespread testing, ppe requirements and operation protocols for covid hot spots. josh gottheimer is cochair of the problem solvers caucus and also the white house counsel on reopening the economy. congressman, good morning to y you. i want to get to the plan to reopen the economy but first as you know better than i your state has been hard hit. 4,000 deaths in new jersey and our condolences of course. do you believe the curve is starting to flatten at least there? >> it's flattening which is excellent news. although i will tell you in my district we have about 20,000 cases and more than a thousand people have lost their lives which is heartbreaking. but we are still seeing those cases every day even though it's flattened out. obviously an explosion in our nursing homes long-term care facility and loss of life which

is particularly heartbreaking. we saw the way to go here and we are making progress. >> ed: you are leading a bipartisan effort on capitol hill to get the economy reopened. let's quickly get through that checklist including rapid mass testing, ppe and hospitals and schools as well and real-time data. we know exactly what's happening, reopening businesses must adhere to social distanci distancing. ramped up cleaning and sanitizing. we can't go into great detail about every single one but one that really stands out to everyone is rapid mass testing. pretty much every expert we says we have to triple what we are doing right now. how do you do that with democrats and republicans fighting on practically everything of these days? you been struggling to get more money for small business loans, how do you get rapid testing? >> the good news is how much we are working together.

there's always a lot of noise but we will get this done and help people. on the testing front, that's an area where we have to work together i think nationally to get that done. we see the president push for more swabs and i think that's essential. we have a shortage of the test kits and we need to get back to business in a way across the country. of course the original approaches and sector approaches, we need much more testing. i've spoken to many life science businesses, of making tests and we are just trying to really ramp that up. i think over the next couple of weeks, we are going to get there and that's a key to getting back to business. >> ed: the context here is in part that you have a growing number of people in some states protesting the shutdown orders think they want to get the economy going again. on the other hand if there's a "wall street journal" nbc poll that has concerns among voters about getting the economy going too fast. 58% concerned about lifting restrictions too quickly.

how do you balance all this out? >> i understand that people have a lot of anxiety and are frustrated, i know we all are and we want to get back to our lives. the key is to make sure we do it in the smart and healthy way. if we don't, we go out too fast and we risked going backward and having another explosion of cases again which i think would be devastating for our economy and obviously for our country. the checklist is all about reopening and recovery to help people -- to help give people at least a place to go. they say okay, if we can meet these benchmarks i will feel more comfortable that we do open up. that's what this checklist is all about. we spoke to experts in every field and developed this checklist to actually help people feel better about how we do this. >> ed: he worked it out with congressman reed, a republican from new york. congressman gottheimer, we appreciate you coming in. >> there are 50 members of the

caucus, so this is bipartisan thinking. >> ed: we will check it out. >> sandra: in new york at the number of new coronavirus cases and deaths falling over the past several days at the state now prepares to ramp up antibody testing. governor cuomo hoping this will pave the way for reopening the region's economy. >> we are going to sample people in this state. thousands of people in the state across the state to find out if they have the antibodies. that will tell us for the first time what percent of the population actually has had the coronavirus and is now at least short-term immune to the virus. this will be the first true snapshot of what we are really dealing with. >> sandra: david lee miller continuing his reporting live outside of mount sinai hospital in manhattan and he has the latest for us this morning.

>> good morning, sandra. new york governor andrew cuomo sets the state is now on the other side of the pot to mike. he says hospital admissions are down and into patients are down in the state recorded lowest daily death rate in two weeks. even so out of the 507 new yorkers died from the virus. again, this is a case of less bad news. there are also signs the rate of the infection is slowing and nearby connecticut and new jersey. they have now finalized appointments in a regional council to focus on restarting the economy. new york state has started antibody testing to find out who had the disease. at 3,000 people will be randomly screened at grocery stores across the state. on the test involves taking a finger stick blood sample and the test will determine this percentage of people who will return to work. the governor says such testing is crucial to an economic recovery.

>> any plan that will start to reopen the economy has to be based on data and that means it has to be based on testing. and that this is a new world for all of us. >> starting this evening at 8:00 p.m. connecticut joins the new york requiring anyone who can sociacan't social distance a face covering. and an anti-lockdown party. fines for violating social distancing can be as much as $1,000. lastly, governor cuomo says he is going to sign an executive order that will allow town into city clerks to perform wedding ceremonies via videoconferenci videoconferencing. many wedding bureaus are closed across the state and many couples were left with no way to tie the knot. at the next challenge i guess, sandra, will be that virtual honeymoon. back to you. >> sandra: yeah, people are

getting creative obviously. david lee miller, thank you. >> ed: a fox news alert, a gunman went on a deadly and rampage in nova scotia, canada. >> countless families are in morning today. each person who lost their family and friends and they come to, we'll need your support. the impact of this incident will extend from one end of the province to the other. >> ed: the latest on the worst mass shooting in that country's history coming up. plus the director of a wuhan lab at breaking his silence after fox news reported the facilities under investigation as a possible source of the coronavirus. arkansas senator tom cotton was one of the first lawmakers to raise alarms about that lab and he weighs in and reacts coming up.

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>> ed: several states in the south that with the second round

of storms one week after some of the same communities were slammed by heavy rain and tornadoes on sunday. you hear those powerful thunderstorms damaging winds, and large hail forecast along coastal areas. millions of residents still under tornado watches all across the southeast. >> i just happened to drive by and i saw the s.w.a.t. team come in and parked beside the pumps and fellow got out of the passenger side he just went straight out in front of the car with his a gun and opened up, right through the windshield of the car. all i could hear was gunshots. >> ed: i witnessed describing the terrifying moments during a shooting rampage in nova scotia, the deadliest in canada's history after a gunman opened fire randomly in a small rural town. investigators say he was dressed as a policeman and led officers on a 12 hour manhunt before he

was finally shot dead. good morning, eric. >> edit, canada is unaccustomed to this type of gun violence and mass shootings and this is the worst in the nation's history. canada ctv news reporting at least 19 people were killed. the shooting spree went on for 12 hours overnight and stretch over 55 miles of remote nova scotia with the gunman police police say randomly shooting people that he encountered. the suspect is identified as 51-year-old gabriel workman, he owned it dental clinics that made it dentures and authorities do not know why he embarked on this massacre. it all started about midnight on saturday when police were called to his home in this small village of porta pick on a firearms complaint. they found casualties both inside and outside of his house. police believe the first victims were targeted and then he fled disguised as a police officer and even made his car looked

like a royal canadian mounted police cruiser before he dumped at midmorning yesterday and switched to a silver chevy suv. police say he died after an exchange of gunfire with police when he stopped at a gas station that happens to be near that halifax airport. for now, as they say, they have no motive. >> it's too early to tell in terms of what the motivation was, as i said earlier. what i would say is that it appears to be at least in part very random in nature. >> among the many victims of royal canadian mounted police officer identified as constable heidi stevenson. constable stevenson leaves two children and her husband, another officer was wounded in the hospital and another victim including a lemon tree schoolteacher. justin trudeau spoke to us

shaken nation. >> my heart scott everyone affected and what is a terrible situation. i want to thank the police for their hard work and people for cooperating with authorities. >> the last major mass shooting in canada i was back in 1989 and that took place in montreal at a school. 14 people were killed then. workman is described as a mild-mannered quiet guy. he was well not known and well liked in community because he of what he did. people they are shocked and finding this killing spree incomprehensible in a country that has very strict gun laws by the way. police trying to find a motive. >> ed: thank you. sandra? >> sandra: you can see in the corner of the screen that stock index futures are falling indicating a sell-off at the opening bell as oil prices sink to the lowest level in decades. right now, below $11 per barrel. plus, new worries about whether

some major retailers will survive this pandemic. maria bartiromo will be joining us for the opening bell, that's coming up. plus texas to gradually reopen business after protests against the shut down there. why some are concerned the virus could rebound in the lone star state. >> with our medical doctors and the resources that we have and the hospital availability that we have, we know that we will be able to contain this as we slowly, in baby steps, begin to open up our economy.

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>> sandra: fox news alert. now on wall street where stocks are trading lower ahead and oil prices continue the plunge. let's bring in mariah mike maria bartiromo, a host of it "sunday morning futures." good morning to you. we begin a brand-new week, and oil prices we were just told dropped below $11 per barrel. that's really something as this market anticipates whether or not there will be of more funding for businesses in the middle of all this. because that's exactly right, and i'm glad you began with oil. you understand the direct indication of what oil is telling us, and all of your years covering oil at the oil pits there and really studying this market. oil is down better than 34% right now, this is a crash and

the price of oil. this has to do with first off a huge glut of the product. remember the saudis and the russians were trying to come to an agreement on cutting production? they said they would cut but the market doesn't believe they will keep those promises so you have a huge glut of oil and an environment where you have no demand because thes the entire d has been shut down by coronavirus. we will anticipate seeing demand continue to slow down even if you see these rolling openings across various states, it's not going to be enough to take oil prices where the shale industry needs it to be in order to make money. this is a little technical today because this is the end of one months contract in the price of oil and so that may be adding to the volatility. anyway you look at it, it's a sharp decline that meets demand globally and that's what's unnerving the stock market today. you are going to see companies go bankrupt in the oil space. they cannot balance their budget

with the price below $11 a barrel and that's where we are right now, sandra. >> sandra: as you can see the lowest price for oil and more than 21 years, down 41% at today's low. this is as this pandemic is really just slamming anything so closely tied to the economy, as you said, like oil prices. chevron and exxon are the biggest losers out of the gate this morning, no surprise there. meanwhile to your point about bankruptcy is that you are looking at the energy sector and you also have to look at the retail sector because there's reports this morning that neiman marcus might have to shut its doors and file bankruptcy and not weather the storm as well as some of the other retailers that were struggling heading into all this. >> and this would be the first major department store to succumb to coronavirus if we were to see bankruptcy filing. the company has been told, shot all 43 stores across the country. and so it did.

now, there is no demand. is one example of what happens when a company is highly indebted and they have to renegotiate the loans with the banks. they need to deal with their debt so they can afford their interest payments at a time that the cash flow is nonexistent because you don't have any customers in the stores. you had to shut down. we will see. but it will say this. even if we were to see one bankruptcy in the department store sector, that's not a one-off. you are seeing a massive shakeout right now within reta retail. it's a bifurcated market in other words, you will see some winners and losers. during this pandemic you are seeing some of the issues around the digital economy so if you have a presence online then maybe you will get better sales as a result of this. if you don't, you are going to be behind the eight ball for sure. whatever is happening right now that is going to penetrate. the digital economy is going to accelerate as a result of the

shut down. things like amazon, zoom, telehealth education. we may very well come out of this and say we want to continue to do things like that. if you don't have an online strategy in retail you could expect a lot of trouble coming our way. you are going to see more closings in retail and you will see a complete prefiguration by the way of the malls and our country. somebody had at rossford jr. on last week and he owns a lot of department in real estate and he said right now e-commerce is 14% of the overall economy. all that has to do is move to like 20 or 22% and that would require that they need an additional 1 billion square feet of space, industrial space, to put things like the amazon distribution center or ups distribution center. they will be taking away those brick and mortar's and putting things in that support where the money is, and that's online. >> sandra: so much will change coming out of all this and you are quickly seeing these companies if they can try to

adapt to those changes. maria bartiromo, thank you so much for joining us for the opening bell. at the dow up 450 points and we will keep watching it. maria, thank you. >> ed: check this out, the very first steps towards reopening. part of governor greg abbott's plan to gradually get things back to normal. protesters in austin are demanding an even quicker reopening while others argue the states a low testing level could lead to a rebound of the virus. casey stegall is live in arlington, texas, with more on that balance they are trying to strike. >> good morning. today is the day, this is the day that people have been waiting for some restrictions across texas as officials begin plans on reopening the state's economy. all along, officials have said it will happen in phases and phase one happens today with the reopening of public parks. social distancing must still be

followed, no groups larger than five people will be allowed to congregate in one area. then come on wednesday, restrictions lifted on elective surgeries. those procedures were procedures were initially put on hold to help preserve valuable ppe supplies and to keep hospital beds open for emergency covid cases. then on friday of this week, retailers can open providing that they can operate it a retail to go capacity. meeting customers can make purchases out of time, then drive to the store and have the purchases brought to their car. the government has comprised of strict comic strike force who will help make decisions on how to safely get the economic engines running again. >> they will work together to develop a medical architecture to come pensively test and trace covid-19, that will enable texas to gradually and safely begin

the process of returning to work and returning to other activities while we wait for the humanization's that wilimmunizad covid-19. >> though some feel the government is not acting quick enough, like a growing number of states, protesters have taken to the streets of the capitol in austin demanding that the stay-at-home orders be lifted now, arguing the longer the shutdown wears on the more difficult it will be for folks to get back to work. to date, nearly 19,000 people have tested positive for coronavirus across texas. at 477 people have died here. >> ed: thank you. sandra? >> sandra: al all right, businesses start planning exactly how to reopen. one celebrity chef says a

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needs to come clean as the director of virology lab in wuhan breaks his silence denying that the outbreak came from his lab as pressure grows in washington and around the nation for more transparency from china. joining us now as senator tom cotton who serves on the intelligence committee. when you have the head of the wuhan lab at denying that the virus came from that lab, that it's" impossible," coming on the heels of the chinese government officially denying bret baier's reporting last week about where all of this may have started, what's your reaction this morning? >> let's take a look at that laboratory director. he's an official in the chinese communist party who is toeing the party line. we all know, and we have known since january that that food market in wuhan was not the source of this virus. chinese scientists established that more than a third of all the original case has had no

contact with the food market. the best evidence suggests that the kind of bat from which this virus jumped to humans wasn't even present there. you have all the circumstantial evidence pointing at the labs in wuhan, they did have those bats. they did research these coronavirus'. our diplomats in china were worried about laboratory safety there. china has a history of bad laboratory safety. all that circumstantial evidence points towards the labs and then of course you have the chinese coverups, the lies, the disinformation and intimidation of any whistle-blowers which is why the most plausible explanation for the origins of these viruses are one of the two labs in wuhan. >> ed: another development is the governor of australia is joining president trump in saying there should be an independent, international investigation of china to finally get to the bottom of this. what are your thoughts on that and how can it actually be successful at the director of this lab will not even let independent investigators in?

>> you raise a good point. i don't think an international investigation would hurt but it don't hold out much promise for you. china has destroyed much of the evidence and disappeared people who were involved in the matter. even if the virus originated outside of those labs in china, if it was naturally occurring may be at another food market, let's recall china's treachery. in late december or early january, they knew despite the lies that they told the world that this virus was highly contagious and transmissible from humans to humans and very deadly. they locked down their own country but continue to allow international air travel to other countries all around the world and that was a deliberate, evil act that unleashed this pandemic on the world. that's why china has to pay the consequences. >> ed: and yet it seems like china is still thumbing its nose at the united states and the rest of the world. here's peter navarro from the white house talking about china hoarding ppe.

watch. >> that six week interval when they were hiding this virus from the world, china went from a net exporter of personal protective equipment, they are the larger producer of that in the world coming to a large net importer. they basically went around and vacuumed up virtually all of the ppe around the world. >> ed: it seems like a ghost to a broader question which is, how in the world do you hold to communist china accountable for all this? >> china is a pariah state and we have to treat them like that. i have legislation that would open the american course all the victims of this virus so they could sue chinese officials. we can impose sanctions on chinese officials who were involved in this cover-up. we can bring back the manufacturing that china has depended upon for so much of their economic growth over the last 40 years to the united states. there are many other actions we can take to make sure that china pays the consequences for unleashing this pandemic and that the united states is never

again depended on china. >> ed: in the last 30 seconds we have, you said they've already destroyed some evidence. is there ever unlike other evidence you can share with us this morning that tells you that china is responsible? >> all the circumstantial evidence that i outlined points to those labs. we may never have direct or conclusive evidence but that's not the way intelligence works. all the circumstantial evidence that we have along with the actions of the chinese communist party suggests that this virus came from one of those laboratories. the american people are justified in using common sense to follow the inherent logic events to those probable conclusions. >> ed: is senator tom cotton is on the story and we appreciate him staying on. >> sandra: thank you. medical workers in massachusetts battling to save lives as covid-19 cases surge in the state. a live report in boston, we will have that for you, next.

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♪ >> sandra: and some of the hardest hit states report a decline in deaths and hospitalizations. doctors of massachusetts are saying is so large and covid-19 cases. molly is live with that story. >> pei, sandra. the state's largest hospital hundreds of patients are fighting covid-19. we had a chance to speak with dr. ali rasha, one of the top leaders in the emergency department and he gave us an inside look at what he seen. >> we are doing what we used to do in a week but we are doing it in a day. don't get me wrong, we love taking care of critically ill patients and that's why we do what we do. but the nonstop aspect of it is

deftly getting tiring for everybody involved. >> the number of patients requiring intubation is staggering. >> for us to have 140 integrated covid patients one for normally all disease processes we have 40 integrated patients, we've been creative about where we make and put icus. we are worried about running short on some of the sedatives and pain medications that we use to keep these patients who are intubated sedated. >> had while face shields and other protective equivalent aim to prevent -- >> typically i can use my facial expressions and gestures and tone of voice to connect with patients about some serious things but with a mask covering up most of your face and in the face shield covering up almost all the rest of it, it's really hard to communicate. that's especially hard in our older patients who might be hard of hearing or in our patients

who don't speak english. >> frontline health workers don't know when they will get a break. >> if we actually get to a plateau where it sits high for many weeks, that's when we will find ourselves both running out of beds but also running out of people as the exhaustion really kicks in. i think at the end of this we will end up with a lot of health care workers with some sort of ptsd not just from not having days off and seeing the sick patients. >> we think dr. ali rasha for sharing his time. >> sandra: molly lyon, thank you. >> ed: congress on the white house on the brink of a deal to fund small businesses. what's included in the big package, congressman lee zeldin is coming up on that, next.

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is more essential than ever. to everyone around the world working so hard to bring breakfast to the table, thank you. >> ed: a fox news alert breaking this hour, congress closing in on a small business relief deal providing more fund for the paycheck protection program and small business loans among many demands. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom," i met henry. but as always to see you sandra. >> sandra: and good morning to you. treasury and secretary mnuchin hoping to get the relief program back up and running by midweek. >> it was three weeks ago that the congress signed the law.

>> let's set aside some money, and let's make sure it goes to the rural area. >> congressman lee zeldin will join us next but first correspondent chad pergram with the lay of the land as always on capitol hill. >> deal or no deal, the principal seems to be set for this interim package, and they do hope to move something later this week. republicans have been pummeling democrats from blocking that $251 billion for small business assistance and that's why they think they can get close to an accord. now here is the white house is kevin hassett. >> i think the objective of these policies is to build a bridge to the other shore. right now, the economy is mostly shut down and the expectation is that when it turns back on, as long as workers are still connected to their firms that

they can get the economy going again. >> at the core of the pack which will be $300 billion for small businesses, since that fund ran bone dry at the end of last week, that hastened the need for action this week and there is likely to be about $100 billion for hospitals and testing. house speaker nancy pelosi wants money for state and local governments but that will not be in this bill. >> they have committed the money that is there and we want to add more money there. our health care workers, and that's what the lit state and local government is about, meeting the needs of the coronavirus and everything that we are doing is about the coronavirus. now understand that. >> the senate has a brief pro forma session and we are not expecting action there but we could possibly announce a deal

today. house majority leader steny hoyer has indicated to his members they might have to come back on wednesday for what he called a roll call vote, they probably have to figure out a way to get everybody into the chamber but they might work out another way to do that vote if they bring people back on wednesday. so maybe move this through the house on wednesday and perhaps through the senate later in the week. we would just expect a smattering of members to come back and probably pass this with the reduced crew. >> lots of people waiting for the money. sandra? >> for more on this let's bring in lee zeldin, a republican on the financial foreign affairs committee. so i will start, where child let off, deal or no deal, did you see one coming? >> i believe there is a deal coming. the latest i'm hearing is that they have $310 billion for the paycheck protection program, $50 billion for the emergency injury disaster loans and that's also important for small

businesses. as chad was just talking about, $100 billion for hospitals and testing. that's what i'm hearing as well. i've heard there might be a vote as early as wednesday so hopefully, this will come together. the money should have never been allowed to run dry and there are small businesses on life support right now and it's about survival for them. if this money is not funded you will have small businesses all across america that will not ever reopen. >> sandra: nancy pelosi was asked about that additional funding in a fox news interview with chris wallace yesterday and here's what she said about it. >> some of the small businesses have other requests in terms of the additional loan program and addition to the grant program and that's part of our request as well. then they have to open up in order to thrive. it's one thing to save the day and another thing to have customers at the end of the day. >> ed>> sandra: congressman, yor

response to that? >> she should have never allowed these programs to run dry last thursday. it wasn't a shock that the money was running out last week, we knew that several days out. so the fact that we are here next week and have all these applications that have not been put over the finish line because of this delay, it's inexcusable. it should not be used as leverage to try to get other funding items. this is essential that this money gets done right away and the speakers posturing has been out of touch at times as we've seen her in front of her $23,000 freezer choosing ice cream. the government as a voluntary shutdown and this helped come up when they hear that the money ran dry this past thursday and that congress -- everyone is back in their home states and home congressional districts, there is it in the essential business and a central industry

right now that really needs to be put back to work, it's called congress. >> sandra: that will be a delicate balance on how we get things open back up. i want to show this recent poll showing that 66% of americans are concerned about lifting the restrictions to quickly whereas 32% are concerned that they will not be. we think that some of the restrictions go too far and the stay-at-home orders are lasting too long. you've even seen some reports of organizations on facebook. we are just getting reporting now that facebook is pulling down some of those protesters who have been organizing and calling for protests in states like new jersey, california, nebraska and other places. what do you think and what do you say as you see that growing anxiety and unease across the country for people getting things back open? >> we need to reopen smartly and

precisely, we need to reopen our economy and need to do so in a way that prevents another outbreak. i happen to be from a county that has been head extremely hard. we've had well over 50,000 positive cases. i've spoken to colleagues in other parts of the country where the entire congressional districts they have less than 50 positive coronavirus cases. from some states with stay-at-home orders have been inconsistent, they have upset some of the people that have lived in their state and as we see for example the michigan story where we have protesters, who are declaring essential businesses and essential items from going out to be -- can't go out and get gardening supplies. as the weather warms up and as people have been home for over a month it's starting to result in a blowback. that's really on the state governors to have more

consistency and with urgency be able to reopen their government smartly. i think some of the governors have contributed to their own issues in the way that they've approach this. >> sandra: very quickly, there's a big discussion on holding china accountable for a lot of what's happened. here's navarro. >> china is sitting on that horde of ppe where it cornered the market and its profiteering. i have cases that are coming across my desk where 50-cent masks made in china are being sold to hospitals here in america for as much is $8. >> sandra: i only have a short time left here but that's a growing question about how to respond to china and how to deal with china based on things like that that we are hearing and obviously going back to how the virus originally spread. >> we need to ensure that federal stockpiles, we never

have to rely on in the country again for ventilators, ppe, medicines to the extent possible. going back to the beginning of this, one of the keys to preventing a pandemic or epidemic is early detection. at the beginning of this between china and the world health organization there is a lack of transparency that ends up contribute into this global spread. it's an orders place to bring it over from china, so thank you from peter navarro, and everything they are doing to help our front-line workers under the circumstances. >> sandra: that has been a huge coordinated effort on so many parts. >> ed: a fox news alert, some

officials warned the virus could research if restrictions are lifted too soon. demonstrators say someplace that should be allowed to return to work. >> we also understand the need to keep the economy going to keep providing for our family and quite frankly we know how to do that best. >> there's a lot of people that are hurting, not just getting sick from the virus but internally are getting upended. >> ed: matt finn's life with more of this. >> those protesters are from a growing number of americans that are demanding their state leaderships, and crushing their livelihoods. >> indiana, washington state,

and you and your staff are getting paid, wait until november. some protesters in the cars are also seen in chicago, america's third-largest city that's been under stay at home for a month. the illinois governor is responding saying i understand people protesting for wanting to get back to work, school in the summer. >> the fact is we've got to be very careful as we make decisions about the change in the stay-at-home order to keep people safe. and i'm looking at all of the ways in which we can open things up and keep people safe. >> and in minnesota, one nurse thanked the public for staying at home urging that the coronavirus is a vicious disease that attacks the lungs and kidney and forces patients to be isolated. >> i don't know how many calls i've had during the middle of

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>> sandra: a former advisor in ththe trump white house vehemeny denying she is the o anonymous author of the book "the warning" and it's believe the same author published an essay in "the new york times" slamming the president. former national security advisor victoria coates saying this in a statement. the allegations published in real clear publications are utterly false. i'm not anonymous and i do not know who anonymou "anonymous" i. ♪ >> president trump: america continues to make steady progress in our war against the virus. as of today we have tested 4.18 million americans which is a record anywhere in the world. statement the president touting coronavirus cases in the world. let's bring in dr. peter hotel

is. good morning. what's your reaction to what the president says as critics say it hasn't been good enough? he says we've made a lot of progress. >> it's great that we've made on big increase in the number of tests, and that's my friend and colleague admiral brett jarrard, assistant secretary of health who has passed by the president and he's clearly delivering which is great news. here's the great thing, we now have to move on to phase two. so phase two or plan b is, americans really need to know with all of that testing that we are gearing up, and my safe going back to the workplace? because remember how this will play out where people will start coming back to either offices or working in restaurants and the service business, then they will want to know that the people near them in some capacity are not infected with the virus. so now it's a matter of calling

an audible and figuring out, okay. we are increasing the number of tests, how do we actually implement now a system? and that's what we are missing at this point in my calls with different mayors around the country. they are asking me, okay, now we are getting tests and what do we do with them? i think we need some help with the guidance from the cdc, and working from departments. this is how we implant a system of testing in the workplace and here is how we are going to scale up to do the contact tracing. it's going to take time and that's what we now need to move towards, getting away from just talking about numbers of tests and what we are actually going to do. >> ed: let's make some progress right here and right now because i've heard experts after experts think testing is critical to get back to the workplace. we have kellyanne conway as you will see in a moment, she's coming up from the white house after you. what does the white house need to do in conjunction, it's not

all the president's responsibility. i keep hearing about all these gaps. what is a critical question for the white house and kellyanne conway? how do you get there? >> here's what i would like you to ask kellyanne conway. could she now bring in the full force of the cdc? all of the different elements to layout a very specific guideli guideline, very granular guidelines for the workplace and for other venues where there will be large numbers of people, not necessarily in big public gatherings or concerts but day-to-day routine things to open up the country. how do we now implement the testing and the contact tracing? and that's what -- >> ed: you are saying get the cdc more involved. we will raise that with her. in the meantime people are wondering where we are with a vaccine which will be a critical moment as well, i phase down the road. here scot scott gottlieb on tha. >> we may have hundreds of

thousands of doses available in the fall for testing but if there is a big outbreak i think it would be available in the city under some kind of protocol. >> ed: how do you react to that? if we need that vaccine in the fall we have it in a limited basis and a big picture when we keep hearing that actually we will mostly have it in early 2021. where are we in all of this? >> for instance in our group, our vaccine develop make group, we have 200,000 doses. but the key is this. if you got to know number one that this vaccine is actually going to work. ours works in laboratory animals but we don't know if it works and people yet. second, we have to know it's safe. that's the problem. there is going to be at least a dozen different vaccines rolling out here in the next few weeks and months and hopefully ours is one of them, going through clinical testing. but we have to be able to assure the public that the vaccine both works and is safe and that is

what takes a long time. he made a statement i think over the weekend that we need to start vaccinating health care professionals by the fall. i would say what that really should mean is that we should start showing clinical. and even that year to 18 month time frame is extremely optimistic and would be unprecedented. >> ed: a bottom line, i've got about 20 seconds. i would bent the curve or flatten the curve? >> you know looking at the ih and e models, we are doing a little bit of both depending on what parts of the country. we are making lots of progress. the key now is not to prematurely open things up, but that system we've been talking about of testing and contact tracing so we don't lose ground again so we don't go back to another terrible situation. >> ed: we appreciate your insight as always. thank you.

>> with the white house is saying about reopening for business. plus president trump outlining three phases to reopen the u.s. economy but some governors argue they need a more federal help. we will have a white house reaction from kellyanne conway coming up, she joins us next. >> he places blame on others and that might have been okay from before but we cannot continue down a path that is again, come back to science, science, science, evidence and data on how we could go forward. i've got great news for veteran homeowners.

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>> ed: fox news alert, now the supreme court overturning nearly 50-year-old president on state criminal convictions. the justice is a ruling 6-3 that state trial verdicts must be unanimous in order to convict a criminal defendant.

justice neil gorsuch writing for the majority that the sixth amendment applies to the states as well as federal courtrooms. musical medica♪ >> sandra: with washington state having hit peak infectio infections, protests are challenging and several demonstrations taking place over the weekend calling for the economy to reopen. >> this is not a light switch, this will be a dial where we can help businesses reopen and give them the advice on the technical expertise so they can do that in the safeway. we are happening, hoping to do that as soon as we can. >> sandra: at dan springer's live in seattle with the latest. good morning. >> washington was the first state to have a major outbreak. they were the first to start to

flatten the curve and the peak infections hit a day ago i know we are starting to see people voice their frustrations. about 2,000 demonstrators went to the state capitol in olympia to protest his stay at home order blessed president trump for his tweets late last week calling on several governors to liberate their states. most of the protesters say it's time for governors to get creative, and how they a battle through covid-19. >> we understand the need to take care of each other, but we also understand the need to keep the economy going to keep providing for a family and we know how to do that best, governor, not you. >> on saturday and another group of protesters gathered and argued it's time to lift the restriction on fishing. his order has banned all kinds of recreation including fishing and golf.

it set to expire on may 4th but he has already signaled that he is likely to extend the order. however this is not the time to halt the progress we have made. but his ban on commercial and residential construction has been met with defiance and at least one city. linden has told the elders to go back to work, just do it with smaller crews and social distancing. between 30 30500 people went bak to building homes and offices. the mayor has said he hasn't received a single complaint against any of his residence butter to research pull also show the majority of americans, 66%. the economy and the states opened up too quickly while 32% fear they will open up too late. sandra? >> ed: dan springer reporting from seattle. >> ed: no doubt millions of americans can't wait until they can leave their homes and enjoy maybe a nice meal and side of

their restaurant. but with social distancing guidelines, will bars and restaurants be able to stay afloat long enough to survive? celebrity chef david burke will weigh in on that, coming up.

>> ed: all right. as some states begin reopening their economies, many restaurant owners are concerned that they will have to move tables further apart for social distancing, making it even harder for them to make the kind of revenues they need to be viable. for more on this -- wait, we have kellyanne conway. we were going to talk about restaurants, we didn't have kelly on. now we have bellingham. welcome. >> we've been here, i think we had some technical difficulties. >> they've heard the president

and democratic leaders to help the ppp and yet some of them can't get through to the sba. i can't get their banks are actually loan the money. what's your assurances to them this morning that the sba on the president are going to get to the bottom of that and where are we on a deal for more money? >> if the president is committed to doing that and i heard today from a legislative affairs team that they are hopeful we can get the deal this weekend that deal should infuse a whole bunch more cash, billions of dollars for the small business owners, these mom-and-pop sides that we are all hearing from him, that they want to stay afloat. they need to hear this money for them to make payroll and cover some of their expenses and overhead and we seen these stories. harvard got 9 million out of that care is act and some people are very much objected to that. they've got about a $41 billion endowment up at harvard and i'm sure that they thought they should participate in it as companies like shake shack have returned they are million dollar loan because they recognize that

those who it was intended to help the most are those who are suffering the most. the local stores in your community, not the franchises. there's also this new tranche of money which would be about 75 billion more for hospitals, and more for emergencies. it supposed to be more flush with cash and i fully encourage people to keep on applying for the loans and grants. >> ed: so that's a big picture but let's get specific and try to nail this down. the whole gang, where are we at this hour and actually getting this deal? >> the secretary feels very confident and you said that yesterday is that a deal is happening. let's be fair, this president has taken immediate action every time one of these relief packages related to the covid has hit his desk, he signed it. that 2.2 trillion several weeks ago, he signed it immediately.

and may i remind all americans, that was passed unanimously 96-0, it was bicameral, both chambers, and bipartisan. this is not being overly politicized on its way to the president's desk. on the way they are sometimes is and i would say when the majority leader in the house sending lawyers that congress is now recessed until may 4th unless there's a court emergency, folks, we are in an emergency. we are here working seven days a week of this white house and people have mobilized private and public sector. so we need congress to get back here. they should not be at home, they should be here in washington getting this money funded. we are also hearing stories from some of our catholic schools wanting to shut down, and i think some of this money should be intended for operations like that if they qualify under 500.

you are talking about mom-and-pop stores and also these companies and the its outfits, these nonprofits that people aren't really considering would be so financially impacted by this. we want to be able to have them apply as well and help them. >> sandra: hey, it sandra. obviously the white house is monitoring the situation across the country as a president says he believes that some governors of some states have gone too far with the restrictions on stopping the spread of covid-19. you have seen the protests that have been emerging, some of them even calling for gatherings on facebook. if mark zuckerberg responded to that calling at the spread of harmful misinformation. they've agreed to take some of those calls for protests down. what is the president saying about that this morning? the protests are calling for the end of some of the guidelines that he set to begin with? >> first and foremost we want people to adhere to the covid-19

guidelines. people should read those guidelines. we need physical distancing of e covering. >> sandra: at some of the protesters have clearly seen the pictures are breaching that social distancing line. >> correct. but at the same time some of this governors have physically distanced from common sense. in michigan you can smoke grass but not cut your grass, this doesn't make sense to many people. this is not domestic rebellion, i look at those people and i see forgotten men and forgotten women economically. they say i'm in a low infection area, i'm asymptomatic and not exposed, i want to get back to work. let's be fair. today is april 20th and we have tens of millions of americans right now staring at their bills in may. how are going to meet the bills in may? the basic necessities in their household. and they are saying i want to get back to work.

some of them are more concerned about controlling the populations and protecting them. the federal guidelines are out there that everyone should be hearing two. >> ed: we had dr. peter hotel is on earlier and every expert including him says, we got to increase in ramp-up testing. but he told us he wants to ask you directly as a medical expert, is the white house -- he understands and we all understand, mayors and governors all carry some responsibility here but he said it's going to take the white house to get people back to work by pushing the cdc to have some national guidelines and standards so that mayors and governors and every state and municipality know what's going on with testing. as the white house going to take that responsibility? >> i have some good news there. first of all testing is the most frequently echoed words in the white house and we are very focused on testing. first there is diagnostic testing. that testing we had about 85,000

a month ago and now we are at 4 million, we will be at 5 million by the end of the month so that's went up significantly. its ramped up in the type of testing that you see at rutgers and saliva tests, easy to the rapid abbott tests. the fda is approving different testing so more people can access that. it is also surveillance testing for surveillance and certainly also serology testing that we talked about and i think the great news i have for you today is in about 20 minutes the vice president is expected to lead a call with our nations governor. we will be talking about testing. one thing dr. birx is emphasizing to these governors is, we did about 150,000 tests per day i think, we can double that if we can ramp up that capacity. dr. birx has put together a map that shows you what your testing capacity is in your own state,

hoping that these private labs, everybody knows. we are going to supply them, what do you have in your state, which do you actually need to, we want to supply the need and not the ask. dr. birx was telling us today that we have nine platforms and a thousand labs and that for both the antibody and nucleic testing, you need specificity and sensitivity that we are working on now. everybody agrees that that is where this is headed next. it's not a perfect system but we've been building that ecosystem around the clock. >> sandra: was also difficult to expect is just exactly how to reopen the country and get the economy going again. it's an incredibly challenging decision.

>> i would remind everyone that there's a three phased approach to opening and we had published that last week. everyone can access that, i'm sure it's on whitehouse.gov and foxnews.com, it's easy to access. the reason there are phases is because this is data driven and not date driven. we have from the beginning been listening to the medical professionals and scientists and we will continue to do that. he thinks there is enough testing for phase one and, if you are looking at phase one we can with that. we all recognize the balance that was necessary, and, if you look at those three phases, it's never intended to just turn on the button, like a light switch. this is more gradual and it depends on infection rates, ventilator capacity in your area. it also matters if you were ever

exposed. if you are asymptomatic. in one workplace you may have a perfectly healthy 28-year-old male who lives alone who was never exposed, is asymptomatic, he may be in a different situation than a colleague who is 50 years old and has been exposed or is asymptomatic. i'm sure that the employee employer will be able to take care of them but, you see what you are doing cabinet wide and administration wide, and the meat-packing industry. we are looking at industry by industry and geography by geography and never suggesting it. we want to make sure that people see that. the governors want the last say and, they say whether or not to reopen their economy, but they want to delegate and advocate, can navigate all the calls with

the vice president. i hear an awful lot of elaborate competition and some governors go to other networks but there's been a great deal of response and collaboration and that will continue as we gradually reopen pieces of the economy. >> ed: what about the collaboration and or lack thereof? among other things she said the president is a weak leader and he has failed in the coronavirus response. you said? >> it was such a disappointing interview from the speaker of the house was sitting in her home not feeling isolated or economically desperate like so many americans are, i thought it was very important for her to just name call and disparage the president personally instead of saying i'm getting congress back to work this week so we can get more money for the small business owners to stay afloat. for them, it's not a matter of

prosperity, and survival right now. and it shouldn't just be survival of the fittest, that should not be darwinism or discrimination because you are a small business who is going inventory by inventory or paycheck by paycheck, we should be helping them. that was the whole point of the ppp and i felt that when you have nothing positive to say, small minds talk about other people come they don't talk about big issues. i felt it was incredibly disappointing that instead of hers showing bipartisanship as we've seen all across the country in so many ways, have you ever seen the countries people or businesses mobilize in such a positive way as we have in the last five weeks, sandra and ed, it's remarkable to see as a mother of four school-age children, it's been fantastic to point out in a completely nonpolitical fashion how many americans and how much american businesses in the volunteers

have stood up, offering to help with the food bank, offering to have their parking lots we stand up field of medical hospitals or testing sites. then we have the speaker of the house who was always called so smart and powerful not say, i need to make sure the money is there. >> sandra: just a follow up on some of the video that we've been playing while you've been speaking, this an area of the country where we are seeing these protests. what the president is saying about that this morning, is he concerned that while they might be protesting what they say or see are the right reasons to get back to work, or they feel like they are overly restricted, is the president -- is the white house task team concerned that they might be spreading the virus at the same time while they are gathering? >> look, we took great action, under tremendous criticism including by full on members of

the " #resistance in the media, he has saved lives by doing some. he's had an additional 30 to slow the spread so we are second to no one in terms of saying, do what you must to slow the spread and keep it that way. but, and we want to live with the virus while we are doing testing, therapeutics, and while we are developing a vaccine. the president is saying this state and that community, those kinds of workers in that industry, go go go. but critical infrastructure workers haven't stopped working. our truckers, our sanitation, our amazing heroic health care, workers and first responders, that gives you a good road map as to how to reopen pieces of the economy sensibly and smartly. >> sandra: and we know as you said the group of governors will be meeting with the president

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use to trade oil. it's a good indicator of where the world economy is. we are now selling 29 million barrels less per day, all of the oil producers in the world than they were last year. that's an enormous drop, a 30% drop from where we are usually going. that shows you that the world economy is only 30% of what once was. investors are looking at that as an indicator of where the world economy is. the drop in economic growth is huge. >> sandra: we are and will see you after the bell today. keep watching "america's newsroom," we will be right back with a brand-new hour. and we'll be here to serve you for a hundred more. ♪

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quickly. others are concerned they will not reopen quickly enough. >> sandra: good morning to you eddie. i'm sandra smith. difficult decisions weighing risks, meanwhile the president is encouraging governors to open back up. testing needs to be done on a local level. >> president trump: governors wanted to have total control over the opening of the states, but then they want us to have the federal government do the testing. but again, testing is local and you can have it both ways. >> sandra: at the illinois governor expresses concern about opening up too fast. >> it to all those folks illegitimately want to get back to work, and i do, too.

i want people to go back to school and i want us to have a great summer. i am looking for all the best ways to make that happen. but we are in the middle of an emergency, a pandemic. >> ed: meanwhile in texas governor greg abbott is getting ready to get things going. >> they are frustrated because all these forecasts about what a dire situation texas is going to be and have not come about, and all these people have been sidelined. they are rightfully frustrated about the way things are and my goal is to make sure i do my part, and do my work in a very safe way. so the economic fallout from the pandemic, more help could be on the way soon for struggling

small businesses including funds for hospitals and more testing is being put together. here's counselor to the president kellyanne conway on "america's newsroom" a little earlier. >> they are hopeful we can get a deal this week and that deal should infuse a whole bunch more of cash, billions of dollars for the small business owners in these mom-and-pop's that we are all hearing from, they want to stay afloat. they need this money to enable them to make payrolls and cover some of their expenses and overhead. >> sandra: chief white house correspondent john roberts is live with more from the white house. >> it looks like congress is beginning to find its way closer to being able to replenish that small business administration, paycheck protection plan fund. the $350 billion that was in there, initially from the cares act ran out quickly and ran out on friday. and probably more than a week,

and that's something that they can agree on. and 25 billion more dollars for testing and $75 billion for hospitals. the deal does not include any money for the states at this point. democrats had been demanding more money for the food stamp program and state and local governments. kevin hassett is back for a return of doer tour of duty, and

this is key to reopen in the country and a new study by resolve to save lives which is headed up by the former cdc director, he says we will need anywhere from 3-30 times the current testing capacity the potential outbreaks in the future. they do appear to be chuck schumer. >> these are things that we have asked for on the banking side and the testing side, on the hospital side, they are going along with it. so we feel pretty good. we still have a few more issues to deal with. speed >> he repeatedly says testing is a state issue, and they are invoking the defense protection act to get more of those nasal swabs and that is ongoing infection of coronavirus produced.

the vice president and dr. deborah birx will be briefing the nation's governors about testing capability here in the next 2 minutes. as to when congress might actually get going, and that could be as early as tomorrow. when the house comes back tomorrow steny hoyer says they likely won't get to it until wednesday. that may be the first day that sba may be back open to take loan applications. more than 18,000 deaths, the numbers are starting to go down. governor cuomo says testing will be the key to reopening state businesses. >> we are going to start here in the state of new york with antibody testing. that will tell us for the first

time what percent of the population actually has had the coronavirus and is now at least short-term immune to the virus. so this will be the first true snapshot of what we are really dealing with. >> ed: is joining us now is christopher murray. good morning. everyone's eyes as a governor data come antibody testing will be critical to get the economy going again. and yet, there's a big outtake this morning saying that the antibody testing is not ready for prime time. what do we need to know? >> there are a variety of kits out there for doing antibody testing in the early returns at least in the u.s. populations are that there are lots of issues around false positives. in some of the kits they may be very high so we get a false impression of how many people have been infected. our modeling we believe that not such a large fraction is being infected, it may be about 5%

come the end of may. speed when you are with me last thursday and you said you would have an update later that afternoon. in terms of a prediction, the models that you've been using and everyone has been watching including the white house. that new model came out on thursday, i believe on late friday. the delay led a lot of people to wonder, people are wondering if they are flawed and what's going on. >> if you think about it, we are trying to take in all the data that each state is reporting about hospitalizations and deaths. there are all sorts of challenges and even deaths day by day. we see these big swings in some states where extra deaths show up from a week ago. so we have just wanted to make sure that we would make a new set of forecasts that we address

all these sort of data issues. and that is the delay on thursday. also, our assessment of the earliest state, when states should consider reopening. >> ed: nobody is perfect and i want to harp on the fact that it took 24 hours longer on that particular version of the model but it gets at something deeper. when you did come out with it you projected 60,000 predicted deaths by august of 2020 which was down about 70,000 from the previous model you had released. in this publication came out with a story on the april 17 of last week. influential covid-19 model uses flawed methods and should not guide u.s. policies, critics should say. you can help and guide these policies to essentially shutdown key pieces pieces of the economy. your critics are saying, it's not just that you are waiting for the data but that the models

are flawed. what's your response? >> my responses at the people who are writing that are fans of the other types of models that suggest there is going to be much bigger deaths in the u.s. so those are the people who believe in these mathematical models that suggest models closer. all models are flawed but we know mike happily compare our predictions over the next week or two weeks, and at least so far our models have been the only ones that have been close to, or closest to being accura accurate. >> ed: the american people are looking at this and we started the white house looking at a british study, it wasn't your model come to be clear, the predicted there could be up to 2.2 million american deaths. we also have 22 million people in this country that now have to work because of some of these measures and what would you say

to the restaurant worker who has been furloughed for maybe four or five weeks? and critics say these are flawed and shut things down and now they are out of work. >> our goal is trying to introduce in particular hospitals and surging the best possible forecasts of when hospitals and health care providers might see these cases. to go back to our very first set of predictions we said the number of deaths in the u.s. were not going to be released in this first way. we said 30000-150000 deaths. so far all of our revisions of those predictions have been well within that range and remained in that range and have gone down

from an estimate of 80,000 deaths to 60,000. we have said there is more social distancing than we expected. so far our numbers have been pretty close to what's happening. could be that the million plus deaths have happened. of course we don't have a crystal ball but we think that the trajectory we are on suggest the u.s. is around the peak and declining and we are going to see that really large number of deaths. >> ed: in the last ten seconds we have, when is the next model coming out? >> we should be coming out with an update this afternoon. >> ed: we appreciate your tim time. sandra? >> sandra: outrage at growing how china handled the coronavirus pandemic. does this prevent the u.s. with a strategic opportunity as the world looks to hold beijing

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>> ed: fox news alert on the investigation and trip the deadliest mass shooting in canada's history after gunmen disguised as a police officer shot people inside of their homes and set fire during a 12 hour rampage in nova scotia. when it was over as many as 19 people were killed including the shooter. >> i just happened to drive by the irving and i saw the s.w.a.t. team come in and beside the pumps and he was on the passenger side, and just opened up. right through the windshield of a car. all i could hear was gunshots. and my wife, i thought i was going to have to call 911 because she was going into a panic.

>> 's motive still remains a mystery. >> sandra: meanwhile in china president she's xing ping using as mira's response influence political power. he is increasing his handling of the pandemic and calling for full transparency from beijing. the chairman of institutes, general, always great to have you on the program, thanks for being here. i wanted to first ask you about -- great to have you. i want to ask you about this piece in "the new york times" this morning. chinese depressive diplomacy weakens xi jinping is a global standing. it says in the past that officials in france, britain and nearly 2,000 nations have rebuked the chinese government.

and >> this is the first significant assault that represents a huge opportunity for the united states and freedom loving nations. what's happening is the international community to include the emerging nations in africa as you just indicated, and in europe, are a holding, rightfully so in my judgment. the communist chinese party for keeping the world in the dark about the human to human transfer of the disease, when it was very localized in wuhan, and international scientists were asking what was going on. is this human to human? and they said no it's not. they even invited the world health organization to come in there in mid-january and they knew it was human to human in

december. world health organization puts that out internationally and they stop making preparations for potential pandemic and that's gross negligence. most significantly for the spread even though they know they have a human to human transferable disease in their midst. then, when they shut down the cube a province on the 23rd of january, international flights are still flying out of the country and still flying out of that province. that also is gross negligence. the international community is going to hold china accountable for this. there's growing momentum and that and now to prison i think as a strategic opportunity for countries around the world to recognize we have a fundamental

clash of values here with china, despite their economy and despite the fact that they kind of have a market that is attracted to business people. they've got to hold the spreadable accountable. >> sandra: i will quote the australian minister directly, their issues for independent review. just to give you an idea of what weight you are hearing from the international community. here is the president himself talking about holding china accountable, here's president trump. >> president trump: on the steak is a mistake. if they were knowingly responsible, there should be consequences. if you are talking about potentially lives like nobody has seen since 1917. >> sandra: and some final thoughts general keane on that strategic opportunity that you

see coming from all this? >> i think the opportunity is there and i believe secretary pompeo and the president have shown it as a strategic process going forward. and we will be wanting to confront them, with stepping over the interest of ourselves and the other freedom loving countries in the world as well as our emerging nations to be there. we must hold them accountable. the thing that china worries about the most is that public image. internationally and even more so domestically. they fear their own people more than they fear any country. >> sandra: great to have you on this morning. we will check back in with you soon, thanks so much. >> good talking to you, sondra. >> ed: fox news alert, any moment now we are expecting to hear from andrew cuomo with an update on what's happening in his state. we will have that for you live

in a couple of moments. plus, lawmakers close in on a big deal to replenish the paycheck protection program for small businesses. how soon can we expect to vote? and florida reopening several beaches as states begin to e's stay stay-at-home orders. what is it time to restart the economy? rick scott joins us and he has some ideas to reform the small business program. that's next. >> people walk on the beach and fish on the beach, they socialize on the beach. treat us like adults and let us make our own decisions.

♪ >> ed: at the house and senate will likely vote this week to replenish that paycheck protection program for small businesses after it ran out of money. it could include additional rents for hospitals and covid-19 testing as well. for more on this, we bring in florida republican senator rick scott. moments ago you put out a statement saying that you are going to push for reforms because it seems like it's great that we are replenishing the small business fund. but a lot of larger companies have found loopholes in this already. we are hearing from small businesses in your estate and other states that they are little guys, they don't have a lot of employees and the money ran out before they could get help. >> first off we need to replenish it. businesses did not even break

down turn their revenues, they shouldn't get it. they couldn't even apply until just a few days before the money ran out. banks should be helping those that need at the most, not those who help them. and we shouldn't be giving this to the wealthy. think about this. there's companies i got more than $10 million. harvard after the ppp, so let's help the small businesses in the people that lost their job, that's what i want to do. >> ed: it you are talking about $10 million, that went to shake shack which last i checked had locations all around the world. to their credit they say they have given the money back now because they say they don't need the $10 million loan that they found other financing. i'm literally getting emails from your state and other states all week long and i will

probably get more this week. folks are saying, look. i've only got five employees, in my life savings is gone. i don't feel like anybody in either party is listening, what are you going to do about it? >> i just had a call with some of my smaller counties, and the money seems to go better in the regional banks instead of the national banks. we have to help these really small businesses. but these -- the ones that are bigger, they seem to guide and help. we wonder why people get approved, people that are applying the first day, some got it and some didn't. people relied on that, and if you have a downturn in revenue, banks don't play any games with this. >> also on the table, front and center for the president,

figuring out how to reopen the economy and how you do it smartly. at the beginning of this crisis we saw in your home states that the beaches were still open, many people were angry about what they saw. now jacksonville beach and other areas are starting to open up some of these beaches. here's the mayor of jacksonville beach and i want you to react to this. >> we still have to be cognizant of the 6-foot distance between people, and we are looking to keep people from accumulating. first we informed the people what the rules are and then we warn if they don't comply and we take additional acts if necessary they still don't comply. >> ed: people want to get outside, i understand, we've all been cooped up. how do you do it sensibly? >> it all comes down to each of us. each of us has to say to ourselves, we are only going to get through this if we do it safely. so if you are going to go to the beach, you have to social distance. if you are going to go out walking you have to social

distance. if you're going to a park, you have to social distance. we have to figure out how to open this economy, we can all just stay home and not make any money. if we do it safely, i think we will do it quickly. our businesses do, it's not going to open it if people don't feel comfortable getting on an airplane or feel comfortable going to a restaurant. it'll ultimately comes down to, it's my family going to feel safe, what will you do to make me feel safe to go to work. >> ed: another issue we've been trying to get on the radar, talking about hurricane season coming up. that impacts not just your estate, but texas, you've got

agencies like fema, which you know better than i, they've been very busy dealing with the coronavirus response antic helping governors on that. how confident are you that the federal government, state and local governments which are strapped for cash are going to be ready for hurricane season? >> you have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. the coronavirus is not gone, how are we going to evacuate? whawhen will rest stations be on and what will we do as far as people, places for people to s say? fema has been a great partner. i have -- it takes all of us, the locals have to be ready, and you have to be ready. start thinking about it now. what are you going to do if use cr hurricane out there, start thinking about what you are doing now.

we will see you. see you soon. >> sandra: and we are learning brand-new details about covid-19 a white european researchers are now saying about new warning signs of the disease. plus, a controversial louisiana pastor asking for donations to the church from money congregants received and government stimulus checks. is that appropriate? we will ask theologian and author jonathan morris, he joins us after the break. >> i'm donating my entire stimulus, $1200, my wife is donating her entire stimulus. my son is donating his stimulus, 600. >> sandra: fox news alert, the governor of new york is now speaking and he's giving in update from albany. let's listen. >> robert my heat budget

director, and today is 51 days since the first case in new york. just for perspective, so we know where we are. 92 days since we first came to the united states of america in seattle and california. these are the hospitalization numbers for today. take down from yesterday, but a slight tick, statistically irrelevant. the question for us is, are we passed the apex? we have had a number of days that have seen a reduction, a reduction of course in the board, and hospitals also state anecdotally they have less patients in their emergency room which again in perspective, the emergency rooms were way over capacity.

it was chaotic, it was, and the emergency rooms are still at or over capacity. but, it's better than it was. the total change in hospitalizations, you see that it's been going down. the number of integrations is down again which is the great news, not down as much as yesterday but down. a number of new people coming in the door with covid diagnosis is again just about flat with yesterday. this was reporting over a weekend, and some t the reporting -- they have less of a staff and the reporting may not be as accurate but it's basically flat. the question that we initially dealt with at the beginning of

this as the numbers were going up, the question was how long until we reach the top of the mountain. right? every day the numbers were higher and higher and higher. the question was, when do you get to the top, how high can it go? then we get to the top and the top turns out not to be a peek, it turns out to be a plateau. then it gets to be a plateau and then the question is how long will it be on the plateau? the question now is, assuming we are off the plateau and we are seeing a descent, which of the numbers would suggest we are seeing a descent, the question is now how long is the dissent and how steep is the dissent. and nobody knows. just the way nobody knew how long the assent was and no one can tell you how long the descent is.

how fast is the number come do down? and how fast does the number come down to where it becomes a low enough number that we have some confidence that we have a margin of error? does it take two weeks for it to come down? some projections say that. does it take a month? some projections say that. again, the projections are nice but i wouldn't bet the farm on them. and i don't even have a farm. the worse news is the number of lives lost, that number is still horrifically high. if you are looking for the optimist of view, it's not as bad as it was but 478 new yorkers died yesterday from this terrible virus. everyone is anxious to reopen, everyone is anxious to get back to work and so am i.

the question is, what does that mean, how do we do it and when do we do it? nobody disagrees that we want to get out of this situation, no biting. you don't need protests to convince anyone in this country that we have to get back to work and we have to get the economy going and we have to get out of our homes. nobody. the question is going to become how, when, and how fast, and what do we mean in terms of reopening? with three opening i want to set the bar higher, meaning the question shouldn't be when do we reopen and what do we reopen? the question should be, let's use this situation, this crisis, this time, to actually learn the lessons, value from the reflection, and let's reimagine what we want society to be.

since we are going to have to go through all of this and it's not going to be fast, let's at least make this a moment that when we look back we can say, wow. we went through. but look at how much better we may displace from this incident? we went through 9/11. it was. well, we have to rebuild. yeah, but we were smart enough to say, how do we rebuild it better? it was better than it was before 9/11. you look at the security procedures that this nation has, we were better than we were before 9/11. we had super storm sandy here on long island, terrible. thousands of people's homes go gone. long island is a better today for having gone through super storm sandy. okay, how do we use the

situation and stop saying "reopen" but reimagine and improve and build back better? and you can ask this question on any level. how do we have a better transportation system, a better housing system, better health system and better social equity, better use of technology? people who are working from home, a lot of them are saying, we should have been doing this all along. we had telemedicine which we are very slow on. why was everyone going to a doctor's office that whole time, why weren't we using telemedicine? well, because change is hard and people are slow, now is the time to do it. and that's what we are doing in a multistate regional coalition and that's very important because that is the smartest way to do it. on a more granular level here in new york we will have a

reimagine task force that focuses primarily on downstate new york which has been the most effective area and, led by the state with those local elected officials. but let's get the best housing experts. let's get the best transportation experts and let's use this as a moment to really plan change that because normally never do unless you had to situation. in the meantime, do no harm. and this is my number one concern every day, do no harm, don't let that infection rate go up, and that's testing. and that is watching the dial. we know what's going to happen. the weather will warm, people are a little more relaxed because they see the numbers going down and we know human

behavior. they want to get out of the house and they want to be more active. there is a sanity quotient to this whole situation. there is only so long, you can say to people, stay in the house and lock the door. they have to go out and do something and they will. they will come out with the warmer weather and they do have parks and there are recreation areas, it's not even healthy to stay in the house of the time. but that's going to happen. that activity level will increase naturally. when that activity level increases, you can very well see that infection rate spread. infection rate is primarily a function of contact. you touch a surface and i touch a surface. you cough and the droplets go on me, it's contact. and that is why places like new york city or anywhere you

see a hot spot cluster, like new rochelle, it's about contact. people start coming out and moving around more and it will be more contact. that contact will increase the virus spread. watch the dial, watch the unnecessary contact spread. you will see it in the extent that you will do testing, but remember how thin our margin of error. we are 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 which is where the virus is an outbreak. one person is infecting more than one additional person. when you get the infection rate below one, theoretically, the virus is slowing.

we are .9, 21.2. these numbers are a little loose. that's what we have to watch and we will. we have to watch this until we have a medical treatment or we have a vaccine, that's when this is over. in the meantime i say again to my local government officials, i'm getting a lot of calls to a lot of supervisors. they are increasing political pressure and they are wanting to do things. the state rule is now everything is closed. the coordination and discipline is now key. beaches, public facilities, schools, parades, concerts, those were all magnets for

people. i worked with our other states you could see the flow of people from new york going to a beach in connecticut. if i don't open our beaches, or if they have a concert in new jersey. and you can see people driving to the concert. i told someone yesterday, i ran into a couple in albany who said we are from queens. they are in a car eating out of styrofoam trays. they drove up from queens to buy thai food in albany, take out, because they like thai food in

and we like to take a drive. so anything that jersey-connecticut-new york do does, new york city does something. it affects everyone else. that is the reality. so everything is closed unless we say otherwise, and the most important thing -- i just had this conversation with a local official. look. people need government to work. government has to be smart and if it looks confusing, that's a wrong message for everyone. so let's just be smart. on testing and funding, those

are the two areas that we are looking to work with our federal partners. testing is going to require everyone to work together, federal and state, state and locals by the way, we are starting the largest antibody test ever done today. in new york, the largest sample. but this has to be a multilevel government coordinated project because we have to do this on an ongoing basis. also on the funding issue, this is obviously a unique. in a lot of ways. we did a state budget in a way that we have never done it before. since our state didn't have any revenues, the way we did the budget was, we basically said it's dependent upon what we get from the federal government and the federal government has promised funding all along. we said whatever we get from the federal government will

determine our state budget, right? because the state has a 10-$15 billion hold right now. and that has never been done before. they basically said i will tell you the state budget when i know the state budget and the state budget is going to be a function of whatever the federal government gives us. the federal government has not funded states to date. the national governors association, bipartisan headed by governor hogan, we said with one voice, you want the governors to do the job? you need to provide funding for state governments. there is another piece of legislation, and again it doesn't have state and local governments in it.

but if this week we are going to get a state forecast, if they exclude state government again, our state forecast will project without any federal funds, you can't spend what you don't have if you were to allocate the shortfall on a relatively flat bases, it would be cutting schools 20%, local governments 20%, and this is the worst time to do this. the federal government has said from day one, don't worry, we will provide funding to the states. yes, don't worry. but i'm worried because i have heard this over and over again. and my job was very simple. i have one agenda and i want one purpose. i fight for new yorkers, that is my job.

and that's all i do. i'm telling you, new yorkers need funding for this budget because we can't do it otherwi otherwise. you should fund small businesses and airlines that's all great. find all those businesses. but at the same time, don't forget teachers and police officers and firefighters and transit workers and health care workers and a nursing home staff, those are the people i find the state budget. and you shouldn't make us choose between small businesses and large businesses and people on the front line working day in

and day out. i would propose hazard pay for frontline workers. we all say, but you know, thanks is nice and their sacrifice, and they are the ones carrying through the crisis. this crisis is not over. and the equity and fairness of what has happened, i think any reasonable person will say we should write this wrong. 45% in public transit and 57% of the building workers and people

of color also disproportionately represent delivery services and child care services. the economy has not close down. that's frankly the people who have the luxury of staying at home. all of those essential workers who had to get up every morning and put food on the shelves, and those police officers have to go out and keep you safe, and had to go out and fight the fire. those people worked. they went out there and expose themselves to the virus. two-thirds of the brand-new workers are women 1/3 come from low income households. they are going home to a household, one of them is now

not working and working just on that one salary. and after all of that, we see if the rate among african-american and brown americans hire proportionately then other groups. why? because they were out there exposing themselves. that's why. and you can talk about health disparities et cetera, but i believe all the studies are going to wind up saying, yes. while you were home with your doors locked and dealing with cabin fever, they were out there dealing with the coronavirus. and that is why they are more infected. pay them what they deserve. i would say hazard pay, give them a 50% bonus and i would do that now. yes, airlines. also frontline workers. also, we have a need and responsibility to get the assistance we need to people in

low income communities. nitro's public housing in the city of new york. high concentration of people, many people in the small lobby and many people in the elevators, many people and hallways, a higher number of people in the apartment, just the higher occupancy. it and that's where the virus spreads. we are going to set up the test program where we will have on-site health services and testing in the new york city area with new york city housing authority projects, working with local officials. we are doing it as a pilot program to see how it works, and if it works well we will go further with it. we have as you see congressman meeks and congressman akeem

jeffries, letitia james, and bronx borough president ruben diaz who will be working on this and coordinating it and i think them very much. we will also bring 500,000 cloth masks, that is one mask for every person who is in public housing and hand sanitizer et cetera just so they have the necessary equipment that they need to do the social distancing and protection. personal opinion, not fact, throw it in the pale. what we are doing here you know, as a general rule determines what we do. the smartest government is as smart as people are, that's how you detail your future. but this is cause and effect on

steroids. what we do today will determine tomorrow. we are not going to need to wait to read the history books. you make smart decisions and see as smart outcomes in two weeks. we make bad decisions, you will see bad outcomes in two weeks. so when they say the future is in our hands, the future is really in our hands and we are going to get through this. we can control the beast. the beast will not destroy us. we can control the beast, great news. we have a lot of work to do to keep the beast under control. we have a lot of work to do to reopen but we will set the bar high and reimagine. and we will have what we had before, build back better, build back better, bbb.

because that's what we are going to do. because we are new york tough. tough is smart, tough is disciplined, smart is united and smart is loving. questions? >> when will new york release a number of covid cases like mike and nora nursing homes like california has done? >> we updated our survey this past >> governor, the president just tweeted the testing is up to the state, not the federal government. just a quick reaction on that. also, is the state capable of doing the type of testing it needs to be doing in order to not only identify who has the disease, but who has had the disease? >> the president is right. the states, testing is up to the states, which will implement the tests. logistically, coordinate the tests. for example, in this state, i

should make the determinations as to what labs participate in testing. we have about 300 labs in new york. it's my job to coordinate those 300 labs, which ones should do this, which ones should not. how do i decide what labs work where? they are regulated by the states, these labs. so -- >> melissa: you been listening to new york governor andrew cuomo there from albany giving an update on his estate. 478 lives were lost in new york yesterday. on wednesday, the governor says we have to set the bar higher. infections will rise with activity. ed, the governor continuing to lay out a plan as to how to get things back open and running again. >> ed: he said, "build it back better." he said nobody disagrees, we have to get back to work. by the way, sandra, this queens couple driving a few hours to albany for thai food? we have to check out this place

when this thing is all over. we'll have a road trip, maybe. >> sandra: [laughs] sounds like a plan, ed. we'll continue to monitor the governor for breaking news out of new york state. the news will continue right here on the fox news channel. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, growing pushback against stay-at-home orders as a protest is expected to begin shortly in pennsylvania, with rallies in several other states also planned for today. protesters are demanding the governor's rollback restrictions and reopen their state economies. this, after a weekend of similar protests in several states, including colorado, maryland, texas, and ohio. president trump, when asked about the rallies, saying protesters have legitimate concerns. >> people feel that way, you're allowed to protest. some governors have gone too far. some of the things that happened are maybe not so appropriate. i think in the end it's