we'll have a road trip, maybe. >> sandra: [laughs] sounds like a plan, ed. we'll continue to monitor the governor for breaking news out of new york state. the news will continue right here on the fox news channel. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, growing pushback against stay-at-home orders as a protest is expected to begin shortly in pennsylvania, with rallies in several other states also planned for today. protesters are demanding the governor's rollback restrictions and reopen their state economies. this, after a weekend of similar protests in several states, including colorado, maryland, texas, and ohio. president trump, when asked about the rallies, saying protesters have legitimate concerns. >> people feel that way, you're allowed to protest. some governors have gone too far. some of the things that happened are maybe not so appropriate. i think in the end it's not going to matter because we are

starting to open a bar states. i think they're going to open up very well >> melissa: washington governor jay inslee says the president is encouraging insubordination. >> i don't know any other way to characterize that, when they have an order from governors, both republicans and democrats, that basically are designed to protect people's health. literally, their lives. to have a president of the united states basically encourage insubordination, to encourage illegal activity. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy yourself. new york city physician and fox news contributor, dr. nicole saphier. joining us today is former house oversight chair and fox news contributor, jason chaffetz. he is "outnumbered." jason, i'm going to start with you. what do you think about the protest and how the president has responded? >> jason: i think the

president it was very appropriae in his response. i understand people's frustration. there is a constitutional right to assemble. but these protesters are not doing themselves any good when they stand shoulder to shoulder within 6 feet of each other, not wearing a mask, and they are showing a degree of irresponsibility. they are just being not as responsible as they possibly could. i think they could make their point by showing little social distancing, by wearing the proper mouth coverings along the way. i think that would be more effective. by the way, i do think that the conservative movement should take this mantra of personal responsibility. i don't care what the directives are from the government. if you don't wash your hands and cover your mouth and socially distance yourself, i don't care what the regulations are. you're going to put yourself and others into harm's way. >> melissa: it's absolutely true.

they want to get laid out of the house, but they are then not showing that they can do it in a way that's going to cooperate with the norms that we've all agreed upon of what needs to be done in order to keep everybody safe. here's what dr. anthony fauci said earlier today on this subject. >> so, what you do, if you jump the gun and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you're going to set yourself back. so, as painful as it is to go by the careful guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening, it's going to backfire. that's the problem. >> melissa: dr. saphier, how do we balance these things? people are obviously getting very frustrated. there are those who feel like, at this point, the remedy is causing more damage than the virus itself. at the same time, we know that gathering in groups, like we are seeing on the screen right there, like those protests, you

are risking yourself and other. what are your thoughts? >> dr. saphier: well, melissa, you been talking about this for a long time. the potential long-term consequences of the economic decline from this covid-19 pandemic may far outweigh the consequences that we see with the virus itself. so it's going to be a fine balance of getting people back to work in opening up. as president trump has mentioned, this is not a one-size-fits-all approach. it's going to come down to the states and even the counties within the states on what they can do. at this point, now that we are getting more and more information about this virus, we have a better awareness of how it acts, and some ideas of potential he to treat it. a vaccine is already underway. now, how are you going to stratify the risk for those people who are still at a higher risk or more vulnerable to the severity of this illness? that is with these governors and the state legislators are going to really have to look at before they start opening things back up. i also call on the private sector, the employers.

how are you going to ensure that your employees are safe? that not only do they come back to work, that they want to come back to work and they are not going to come back to work and get sick and mitigate the computed he spread all over again. whether you're talking about contact lists, delivery systems, payments, having more space in between people and cubicles, maybe using more of the teleservices, digital services. this is something employers really have to talk about, to make sure people actually feel safe leaving their home again. >> melissa: kennedy, when i look at these pictures i see people who have lost faith in the local governments' judgment. >> kennedy: it's not just a local government, its state government, it's the federal government, and we have seen how slow and lumbering bureaucracy can actually do so much harm because of the inability to react to situations critically in the short-term and long-term. people are frustrated. i agree that people need to be smart, but they also need to be

loud. dr. saphier talked about the long-term consequences, the unintended consequences here. when you have this much control over this many aspects, from the economy to our interaction to our health, it's hard to imagine that a lot of these governors are going to want to give up that level of control. that is what is scary. also, there's only so much time people can be kept without any contact or any means of providing for themselves before they really start to go stir crazy. i think that's what is happening. we also talk about balance, there is such an incredible imbalance here between the theoretical information and the reality for a lot of people. the reality and the suffering is starting to take precedence over some of these orders that people are being given, that are doing more harm than good. in some cases. >> melissa: harris, one of the

things that is tough to swallow is that, when people are watching television and listening to folks telling them that they need to stay at home, whether it's pundits or government officials, those are people that are cashing a paycheck. the people at home watching it, a lot of them are not, and they really scared. >> harris: you know, i want to go back, melissa. it kind of all ties together to what jason was saying. first of all, it strikes all of us when we see the protesters, that the good thing about being able to watch them is the fact that we get to see, jason, democracy in action. right? the other thing we also get to see is, on occasion, a blatant disregard for the rules, melissa, that you agree. guidelines that we all agree actually work. the things the president of the united states has asked of each of us, at least three per 30th. he's going to re-look at that date. whether we feather open businesses between now or not, these are the guidelines that

have come from the president of the united states. when we see these people not keeping their distance, it is a reminder that we still aren't maybe quite there yet in terms of what we all agree upon. now, i understand that, you know, in some cases -- we talk about it day by day, as these protests have stepped up -- some of the same dumb acts stay at home orders really need to be looked at. and where they are happening. each municipality, county, state, is so different from the other. one thing is constant -- washing your hands. and those things of the president of the united states put in his original 15 days that got extended. but it has guidelines. he meant those, those are from the experts. the next phase will be what we do when we start to go back in public. can we continue those personal responsibility methods? some of the film, some people have on face coverings or even

gloves. i do think that'll be the benchmark. can we continue to have democracy, balance with all the common sense guidelines and straightforward medical-based guidelines that are there? that's my big question. i'm curious to know what jason thinks. >> jason: again, personal responsibility is key. >> melissa: when we hear -- like, governor cuomo going on the air and saying that he, unless he gets federal funds, there is no way to reopen the government because he needs the money to finance the reopening. you get the sense -- i mean, it's almost like extortion. saying we won't open things up until the feds give money. he had a $600 billion hole in his budget before the coronavirus ever showed up. people were leaving new york because of the tax situation. what do you think, jason, about that money-type in?

>> jason: well, the money will flow back into the coffers of the state, local, and federal government when they get the economy going. i've got to tell you, when they close the parks, when they close the beaches, when they don't let you go outside, that is totally counter to the idea of social distancing. out west, san juan county is bigger in utah than the state of new jersey. we have 15,000 residents there, and they're telling people don't go outside. new jersey's got 9 million people. there's got to be a balance here. i think the restrictions that have been put in place, in many places, are far too cumbersome. you're going to have to deal with it at the city, county, and state level. i don't think there's a one-size-fits-all. >> melissa: all right. meanwhile, president trump touting a milestone in u.s. testing for coronavirus as some governors say it's not enough. who is right, as states weigh their next steps to reopen?

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♪ >> we are preparing to use the defense production act to increase production and one u.s. facility but over 20 million additional swabs per month. >> harris: president trump they're announcing that he will invoke the defense production act to increase the supply of swabs for coronavirus testing kits. the president also said the united states has passed a major milestone in testing. more than 4 million americans have now been screened. that's more than france, u.k.,

south korea, and seven other nations combined. in the administration is defending its decision to leave testing up to the states. the president took some heat over the weekend from some governors, both democrats and republicans. >> that's just delusional, to be making statements like that. we have been fighting every day for ppe, and we got some supplies now coming in. we've been fighting for testing. it's not a straightforward test. >> we've increased our testing in maryland by 5000% over the past month. it's nowhere near where it needs to be. as governor northam said a moment ago, there are things like shortages on swabs that we don't have anywhere in america. >> harris: all right, and you just heard me say the president now has put forth that defense production act to deal with increasing the supply of swabs. meanwhile, new research out of harvard says the u.s. needs to be doing 500-700000 tests a day

for the u.s. to safely reopen for business. that is about triple what is being reported for today. jason, i come to you on this. there have been some developments. one, the president looking at the swab situation and saying, "okay, let's put that act together and increase supply." everything in the last little while -- because we covered governor cuomo live on fox, so people may have seen it -- he said yes, in fact, states do have the responsibility for testing. the ball moving a bit here tour the president on this particular issue, it would appear. what do you think? b6 the testing is impressive, given what we have had to do in the past. let's remember, that is less than 2% of americans actually being tested. the biggest impediment to getting american business back and rolling the way it used to be his testing. you need to know that your coworkers, the people you're interacting with, have gone through this testing. i don't think you're going to be

able to open up the schools and their full capacity in the fall unless you know that the kids and the teachers and the administrators in the school, people who do school lunch is not all that, have also gone through that testing. governors and the president, i think, recognize -- the president was on this early, but it is the biggest impediment. those numbers are going to have to dramatically increase to get where we need to be. >> harris: well, and people have been critical at the news conferences with the president, because they've said, "you know, it's taken us a fair amount of days to even get to the point where we can talk about how many people really have been tested." so there was some delay there. melissa, i come to you on this. dr. fauci also said that testing isn't everything when it comes to reopening states. it's also about mitigation strategies and people not engaging in risky behavior. it goes back to that personal responsibility element. >> melissa: it does, but i would say also that one smart

thing i've heard is that we need the cdc or whoever, you know, the federal government, to set a standard for what needs to happen in order for people go back to work and be safe. in terms of, you need to have had this type of test by this day. we heard governor cuomo say it -- i think it was yesterday, or it might've been this morning -- that there were going to be 3,000 antibody tests here in new york. how do you get those? where are those? that would be one way to prove that you're ready to go back out into society. i think we need some very clear guidelines in terms of what is okay. otherwise, companies aren't going to feel good about bringing their employees back. they'll feel like the liabilities too high if there isn't a set standard. you must pass this test, it must happen on these days, you need to have this test. that's what we need. >> harris: it's an excellent point. dr. saphier, i come to you on this. it's even a broader test of what testing you need, possibly tripling what we see now to get people back to work. it's also to protect those customers who are coming in, as

well. it's twofold. you can't test every customer, but if you know you have someone working for you who definitely needs to be in gloves and a mask, it does change the situation if they also test positive. >> dr. saphier: that kind of goes into what melissa is saying. what are these employers going to do to make sure that the customers and the employees themselves are actually safe? we need to increase their contact methods, and that's how they're going to be doing customer service. it's going to be a lot more digital and no physical touching. i think the president is correct when he said we've done an unprecedented amount of testing. he's absolutely right, we have. but the state governors are correct when they say it's not enough. it is certainly not enough. if you want to be confident in reopening the economy and businesses and allowing people to just freely move again, we absolutely need more testing. i will be honest, right now the testing is really localized to the hospital systems and the state-run health labs. we have to get it in the hands of our outpatient doctors, because that's going to be the new frontline to helping control

the spread of this disease and to keep people out of the hospitals. to really avoid those future spikes in numbers here. until our outpatient doctors can freely order these tests and people can just call up their primary care doctor to get a test, it is going to be very -- we have to be very careful how we start opening up things again. new jersey itself has more positive cases than anywhere else for people tested. that tells me new jersey is way under testing. because we know there are a lot more people out there have been infected or have recovered, or who don't have the virus, than those who are testing positive. i can tell you here -- >> harris: that's an interesting point. >> they bring very restrictive and who's getting a test and whn even even give those tests. the state legislators have to break down those barriers and allow us to get her hands on more testing. the president is doing what he can do with the defense production act to make sure we have the supplies we need for this. unfortunately up until now we've been very dependent on other countries to provide us with the

reagent, the swab, the ingredients for medications. perhaps now this is a real call to action to make sure that these are being manufactured here in the united states so we don't run into this problem in the future. >> harris: kennedy is the libertarian on the virtual couch today. i come to you, because if the president now has seen, or if the governor's not have seen, a way forward to work together on this, now the next step that dr. saphier is talking about has to do with the efficacy of the tests, as well. we have different types of tests out there. the false negatives, the false positives have all been part of the equation, as well. we all need to get on the same page. what do you say? >> kennedy: i think part of that is personal responsibility. politicians have to take response building. that's the problem when you hide behind bureaucracy. the layers that have to coordinate with each other, and that is essentially impossible. it's also so much easier to shift the blame so the federal government doesn't have to go,

"you know what? we were under prepared, we didn't realize what it would take to get these mechanisms in place to test people." one of the biggest barriers right now, it's not necessarily politics, it's the fda. there are other companies that have developed tests that would double and triple some of the testing we seen right now, but because of the bureaucratic hurdles, you are not seeing those tests come to market. melissa is absolutely right, we need the antibody test. we've heard a lot about it, we've been promised a lot about the ability and availability of these tests, but if you pick up the phone right now, who would you call to get an antibody test? and there are plenty of us who feel that, you know, we are in a situation where we might have antibodies in our systems that could eventually help people. melissa has talked about this a lot. get the government out of the way. admit when you've been wrong, so moving forward we have systems that actually help more people so we can ultimately open up

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administration's disaster relief fund grant $75 billion would go to our nation's hospitals, $25 billion to fund it coronavirus testing. treasury secretary steve mnuchin and house speaker nancy pelosi both sounding optimistic over the weekend. >> i am hopeful we will continue a bipartisan deal today. we'll go to the senate tomorrow on the house on tuesday. if the president can sign on wednesday, it'll open up the program again. >> they will have more money as soon as we come to an agreement, which will be soon. i think people will be very pleased. >> melissa: jason, this is amazing to me. most small businesses have an average of maybe 14 days' cash on hand in order to stay on business. larger businesses have maybe 23 days. that's about the average. we are so far past this. as it stretches on into a new week, it's just amazing to me that they can't get this together. what are your thoughts? >> jason: first responders and health care workers are doing their jobs. truckers have been tracking,

retailers have been out there selling their goods. postal workers have actually been going to work and delivering the mail, and yet the united states senate and house of representatives are in recess. nancy pelosi is out there showing us her freezer with ice cream in it. it's time for congress to get their butt back to washington, d.c., and actually go to work. they're not scheduled to go back to work until may 8th. the senate, may 4th. mitch mcconnell was out over the weekend tweeting about how the democrats need to let him do his job. he should be calling for a vote right now. mitch mcconnell, call the republicans back, call the democrats back, and start voting. it should be focused on covid-19 and covid-19 only. don't lard it up with all this other stuff. people are suffering, and congress is in recess. it is inexcusable. >> melissa: yeah. harris, he sounds pretty fired up. i bet a lot of americans feel the same way. >> harris: yeah, i followed

jason pretty closely on twitter, and, jason, you've been screaming that all weekend long. you know what? keep doing it. because it's what you said, and this is what is supposed to matter. this is what government is supposed to do. they are supposed to step in and these incredible unforeseen, epic moments. we are having all three of those, and it's a dire situation for some americans who are dying in the process. everything that jason just said, double exclamation points, and a question for congress. i don't know, former chairman of the oversight, jason, maybe you have a thought on this. who goes and gets congress to work? is that the president who needs to walk across the lawn and go up to capitol hill? is that the president of the senate, are vice president pence, that needs to? somebody needs to take your message, as loud and clearly as you have plainly stated it, shouting it, to capitol hill. >> jason: the president has been doing his job. nancy pelosi needs to call them back into session.

kevin mccarthy can call all the republicans back in. there is no reason why they can't take advantage of the procedural motion on the floor of the house and go on the floor of the house and start making the case. and mitch mcconnell, he has no excuses. the republicans controlled the united states senate, and yet you have their senators sitting back in their own states tweeting and skypeing into news programs instead of actually gathering together and doing their job. >> melissa: kennedy, it all underscores why government can't solve these problems. you know, it really is about -- people have to get back out there in order to restart the economy. if you wait for government to come to the rescue, you will die on the vine. >> kennedy: that's the problem. you look at this, and we expect people to work in grocery stores and hospitals and fire stations,

and the post office, but then congress thinks that they should be guarded and protected when they are the ones who have so much control right now over the funding that will keep some of these small businesses afloat. i say "i'm" because you look at places like new york and, melissa, you pointed this out, there are "for lease" signs if you are doing a great economy. was going to happen when we are through to the other side of this? yes, they have to get back to work and lead by example. i know it's tough, but also it's where we have plenty of cameras and attention on congress. if we see they are social distancing, maybe they can set an example for businesses. they can show us, they can demonstrate firsthand how people can get together, create systems, pass legislation, and once again, respectfully, get out of the way. thank you. >> melissa: put on a mask and gloves and get back to work,

congress. meanwhile, president trump demanding that u.s. investigators be allowed into china, as questions grow over how the global pandemic began. the president's warning to his chinese counterpart. that's coming up. >> the virus came along, and i'm not happy. i'm not happy. i let him know, i'm not happy. ♪ a loans. mortgage rates have dropped to all time lows. by refinancing now, you can save $2000 a year. and newday's va streamline refi shortcuts the process. veterans can refinance with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. one call could save you $2000 a year.

>> harris: the united states and australia now are pushing for an independent international investigation into china's management of the coronavirus outbreak. this would be in addition to the u.s. intelligence community probe of whether covid-19 accidentally escaped from a wuhan laboratory. however, a top official at that lab denies any role in spreading the virus. here's a quote. "as we said early on, there is no way this virus came from us. we have a strict regulatory regimen. we have a code of conduct for research, so we are confident of

that." meanwhile, president trump wants u.s. investigators allowed into china and adds this morning to beijing. watch the present. >> will see what happens with the investigation. we are doing investigations, also. if it was a mistake, a mistake was a mistake. but if there are knowingly responsible, there should be consequent this. >> harris: jason, it's interesting, because some of the presidents critics wonder why we didn't get into china before now, especially after the travel ban was put in place back in january, so on and so forth. is that fair? should we already have investigators? maybe not about that lab, but where exactly did come from? just asking. >> jason: the president has made all the right moves on this. our intelligence agencies, i do think in retrospect we will never know for sure. we are probably on top of this very early on in the game. lets her member, china lied to the united states. they lied to the world. and they are not about to suddenly open up and expose

themselves. i think joining with australia and the rest of the first world countries in demanding that they be an investigation be doing the right thing is an appropriate thing to do. it's important to go back and look and see what happened, and i think the president has the right tone in the right approach on this. >> harris: you know, it's interesting, dr. saphier, just from a scientific point of view. if we can learn more about the origins of this, and how it spread from the very beginning, perhaps that can help in our fight right now. what do you say about that? >> dr. saphier: you know, harris, we know viruses can go from animals to humans. so we have kind of known that, we see that many times with prior pandemics. for this particular one it's more important to know if this was created in a leak from faulty oversight and regulations or if it didn't have did have the natural course of going from animals to humans. one would apply some -- i

wouldn't say nefarious acts, but negligent. if there was gross negligence involved that created this pandemic, if there are people involved in the country involved to slip some of the information under the rug, they need to be held accountable for it. the truth is, i think it's very important for us to figure out of the state originate in the lab or if it's more of a natural progression. the intent behind it really makes a difference, especially when it comes to potential punitive measures for the future, and how to handle this. scientists, we know when we are looking at viruses, we know they undergo antigenic shifts and drifts to convert from animal to human. so we don't need to know much more information about that. we know that. from a legal standpoint, i want to know personally if this came from a lab. because of their lack of oversight, their lack of regulations, that we are in the place we are right now. that makes a big difference. that makes the whole optics of the situation change. >> harris: you mentioned a couple things there that actually i just want to get on

the record with. you said was created in a lab for our own reporting at fox news, via bret baier in leading the charge on that and others, it has always been stated so far that it was something that was naturally produced, not created or originated in that lab, but somehow escaped. some of the stuff you said actually go skitter like a puzzle, dr. saphier. go right ahead. >> kennedy: harris, you are correct. i don't mean created in terms of a biological weapon. they are utilizing the virus. so they are working on certain things, how it reacts animals. i should say more of a lab-originated virus as opposed to -- >> kennedy: i want to add something really quick. >> melissa: in the meantime, white house trained advisor peter navarro accusing china of profiting off the pandemic by awarding personal protective equipment and selling it at an exorbitant price around the world. watch. >> china is sitting on that

hoard and his profiteering. i have cases coming across my desk where a 50 masks made in china are being sold to hospitals here in america, for as much is $8. >> melissa: kennedy, he has the data that shows china became a net exporter -- i'm sorry, a net importer of ppe, where before they were a net exporter. now he is saying that they jacked up the price when they went to said then go ahead and resell it after they vacuumed it up. should they be a penalty for that, or those market forces? >> kennedy: both. they are market forces, but also china is not being an honest actor here. obviously there should be much

more of a humanitarian push. you should seek to preserve as many lives as possible, especially if the virus did, in fact, originate in china. i want to go back a little bit to china. of course, we want some sort of accounting of how this, if it did escape from a lab, if there was a lab worker who was, let's say, bit by a bat and went into the world that developed this pneumonia which turned into covid-19, you need to figure that out. we have scientists who are very capable of tracking bat, and they should be able to do that. china is not going to allow that, because they are so incredibly embarrassed by this. there is no upside for them. we do need more pressure to make sure that they act appropriately in the future, and that includes helping out other countries with this stuff instead of price gouging. which they also won't do. >> melissa: jason, how did we get to the bottom of this? >> jason: i think we need to

continue to investigate, but we've got to be self-sufficient. i mean, we had a problem with petroleum. we had an energy problem in this country, and finally with donald trump we got to the point where we were energy self-sufficient. we have to do the same thing with manufacturing. that's what candidate donald trump was talking about it. he's been talking about it for three years. unfortunately it's coming back to roost right now. i've got to tell you, we have to be able to manufacture things in our own backyard and get rid of all those regulations at all those other problems and all those other impediments in order to be self-sufficient. he would think making masks is not that difficult, but making swabs? how difficult could that possibly be. we have to be able to spin that up and start doing it right now. let this be a wake-up call that we could never cede and give our future and the economy and drugs and everything else assimilation that doesn't have our best interest at heart. >> melissa: yeah. amen.

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>> harris: this breaking news from israel right now. benjamin netanyahu is going to serve as the first prime minister for the next 18 months, and then benny gantz will serve for 18 months after that. this is under new israeli unity government agreement, and all of this ends three elections, 17 months of campaigns and coalition negotiations. the different political parties there have said that the two men have signed a deal. it happened late last night, to establish a new government which reflects all of those parties coming together. it also matters because it ends the year of political deadlock, and ensures netanyahu will remain prime minister even as he faces corruption charges. if you've been following this, his trial on those charges has been postponed until may 24th. so, this means along the way

netanyahu will remain in office as prime minister for the next 18 months. afteafter the outcome of the meo ran against, benny gantz, will take over for 18 months. breaking news from israel. >> we are requiring nursing homes to report two patients and their families if there are cases of covid virus inside the nursing home. we also requiring nursing homes to report directly to the cdc when they have cases of covid virus. >> melissa: the trump administration are requiring nursing homes to notify patients's families of coronavirus cases, as part of a federal effort to track the coronavirus and slow its spread. "the washington post" reporting, "40% of more than 650 nursing homes nationwide with publicly reported cases of the coronavirus have been cited more than once by inspectors in recent years for violating

federal standards meant to control the spread of infectio infections. now, multiple reports that at least 7,000 coronavirus deaths were either residents of four people connected to nursing homes. dr. saphier, i start with you on this one. that seems like incredible statistics. what are your thoughts? >> dr. saphier: well, the news that we hear out of the nursing homes is very devastating. if you think back to every hurricane we have seen, it's always the nursing homes in florida and other places in the south that are hit hardest. we hear tragic cases of people dying, they haven't been checked on, and it's largely because nursing homes are not regulated the same way our hospital systems are. there's usually a lot more patients to physician and nurses ratio, and especially when it comes to covid-19, new jersey, new york, and even california were telling nursing homes they had to take covid-19 patients or just patients in general regardless of their covid status, because they were trying so desperately to get patients

out of the hospital that weren't necessarily ready to go home, so they were going into nursing homes. unfortunately, that helped because some of these infections in the nursing homes. when you have a very tight space, you are going to see a very contagious virus such as this spread throughout those nursing homes. yes, you can stop the visitors, which i absolutely -- it's mandatory, they have to do that. but for allowing patients to come in from the hospitals regardless of their covid status, you're still allowing the virus to come in. what they needed to do was utilize they are tier two hospital systems. other hospital systems, or have makeshift areas for covid patients, to keep them separate from the noncovered patients. because we already know elderly and disabled and those with chronicle medical decisions are very vulnerable to the effect of this virus. we mix those patients together. >> melissa: yeah. jason, with the solution to this? we've heard from so many people who work at nursing homes who have said exactly what dr. saphier just said.

the people were shipped back from the hospital who are infected. and that this made the problem worse. as she said, as well, there is constantly problems in these locations. what is the answer? >> jason: it's not going to be a federal solution that's going to solve this, although i think the trump administration guidance on this is the right way to go. it's going to ultimately be state and county health care officials who can get into these homes and look at their records and hold these people accountable. that's the only way in which you're going to solve it realistically throughout the country. >> melissa: all right. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. don't go away. e why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. i tell them, it may be your detergent... that's why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum... ...with the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. for sparkling-clean dishes, the first time. cascade platinum.

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♪ >> harris: there is a growing showdown over stay-at-home orders amid the coronavirus pandemic. you're watching "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. protests continuing today in pennsylvania and several other states, as rally goers say the restrictions are violating their constitutional rights and that the economy should be reopened. rallies were also held over the weekend in states like texas, indiana, colorado, and maryland. this, despite some officials' pleas that the rules are needed to stop the covid-19 spread. however, several states have already begun loosening restrictions, including florida, where people flooded the beaches in recent days despite the state reporting the most new cases since the outbreak began. meanwhile, president trump is siding with the protesters. watch. >> people feel that way, you're allowed to protest. some have