third rail, but she did break her wrist. he was arrested. quickly note, breaking news, north korean leader kim jong un, sean, heart procedure is now recovering at his villa, his condition is unknown. >> sean: thanks, trace. it might be bad. it let not your heart be troubled. at laura, how are you? >> laura: i'm well, but that poor police officer and -- it's just -- what they have to put up with, sean to protect all of us and get grief for doing it is just beyond. what is that -- you're wearing an array of pins tonight. we know the american flag, which of course is beautiful. >> sean: at the fbi pin, this is a cia pen for the good people. people -- by the way, so spider-man, 1974 edition, 129, the amazing spider-man marble, that's a punisher. people have all these conspiracy theories. it's the punisher. it's a netflix series and it was a movie. >> laura: can you send me a pin that everyone will talk

about please? excuse me, i need some kind of pen. >> sean: i'm reading this stuff, it's not a secret signal to people. >> laura: to have a secret society want to fess up to right now, hannity? some like super secret decoder ring -- as they are -- >> sean: don't take enough crap from "the new york times" and company. >> laura: when you show up with other piece of jewelry, keep this going. >> sean: i don't wear jewelry! i have broken fingers from my punching and kicking. >> laura: the true punisher, the true punisher is hannity. if you go after him from "the new york times." >> sean: go watch the netflix series, it's amazing. >> laura: great show. >> sean: spider-man 1974 edition 129. >> laura: are you getting a kickback on this are what gimmick what is this? send me one of those pins, i like it, send me one. >> sean: don, got it. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. we're going to attempt to answer at the number of questions about

the unintended consequences of shutting down the society. questions like can we trust political tech and business leaders to end the orwellian dictates they've implemented after this is over? can we? and wire health care workers suffering huge job losses as if they haven't gone through enough during this? and will independently-run medical offices ever make a comeback? and speaking of coming back, is there a chance a big chunk of the workforce just refuses to know because, guess what? payments are coming in and in some cases, we are finding out there more than what folks made before covid. we examine how some workers are pulling in more money. and they get more than they were employed. this is the perverse incentives the government has set up and why it might be hard to turn that spigot off. but first, my thoughts at the end of day 35, america in shutdown. democrats taking the viral path

to socialism. you feel it, don't you? and you see it. you sense it. there's a growing divide in america in this covid-19 era and i'm talking -- not talking about rich or poor or black versus white or even red state versus blue state. i'm talking about the growing tension between the open now coalition versus the stay closed in perpetuity contingent. the angle told you weeks ago that if people began to see the government's response to the coronavirus as more toxic than the virus itself, well, things would start to get heated. that's what we've been seeing over the past week or so. >> we are starting to die because of the economy. >> i'm protesting the slow erosion of our life. because we are just here for our freedom. people need to get back to work. >> it's about your constitutional rights. >> we are being muzzled by the government. don't let them ask that you wear turn into that muscle. >> laura: a president even chimed in yesterday.

>> it doesn't feel that way, you're allowed to protest. they feel that way. i watch the protest on they were all 6 feet apart. i bet it was a very orderly group of people, but you know, some, some have gone too far. some governors have gone too f far. >> laura: the folks protesting the stay-at-home orders are mostly small business owners, their moms, their dads, students even, who are seeing their futures go down the drain. of course they're worried about their fellow man. of course they want to keep the vulnerable, the elderly safe and secure. but they also complain about needless and arbitrary rules that declare bike stores essential, but not churches. now, this video was probably one of the more disturbing visuals from the last weekend. officials in san clemente poured 37 tons of sand into ralph's skate court after skateboarders were caught routinely ignoring the no trespassing sign.

this is kind of pathetic, don't you think? are teens getting sunshine and zooming past each other really the problem here, the big threat to civilization? i guess maybe -- i don't know. but over the weekend we learned that government researchers have found that simulated sunlight rapidly kill the virus and aerosol. sunlight could actually kill it. like mom always said, fresh air and sunshine really is the best disinfectant. but even if you who do socially distance in california, remember, you socially distance, but you can still be snitched upon. >> if you've observed occurring violations of the stay-at-home order, please continue to let us know at coronavirus dot l.a. city.org/business violation. you know the old expression about snitches. in this case, snitches get rewards.

>> laura: snitches get rewards. that one comment told you everything you need to know about how far elected officials are actually willing to go to enforce a new normal, a phrase i despised, because a new normal means civil liberties be damned, but even when snitches aren't snatching, watch yourself, because drones are flying overhead. >> the drones make it easier for police to see into certain areas where access by patrol cars is more difficult. >> that includes tight spaces between buildings, behind schools and in backyards. the drones, donated by dji, a chinese company, have gone to 43 agencies in 22 states. >> laura: chinese affiliated rhone company. [laughs] to that, i'm not saying our brother. i'm saying oh big brother. beyond the noble motives of keeping americans safe and free at the same time, the ignoble

goal of using this crisis to remake american society according to more progressive ideals. >> let's use this situation, this crisis, this time, to actually learn the lessons, value from the reflection and let's reimagine what we want society to be. how do we have a better transportation system, better housing system, better public safety system, better health system, better social equity? and let's use this as a moment to really plan, change that we could normally never do unless you had this situation. >> laura: that's it, change you can never do if you actually had to run it by the state legislature, perhaps. or maybe he's just talking about improving the state government's response to future, heaven forbid, pandemics. that would be fine.

well, that would also require taking a hard look at why your state budget orders next ventilators. in favor of social welfare projects. meanwhile, you get the sense that someone out there is feeling a little left out in this covid crisis, because she's streaming up a storm and instagram. >> incrementalism is not helpful in this moment. we have to make sure that we demand meaningful change and meaningful assistance for working families. that means 2,000 a month, plus a thousand for your kids recurring. >> laura: that's a pretty good amount, 2,000 a month. why stop -- 5,000 a week! do i hear six? on the left coast though, they are not all about to be outdone by the new yorkers, because governor gavin newsom has his on ideas about how to use the shutdown to open up a path of new climate change policy. his new task force will be headed by none other than, drumroll please, that every man,

tom steyer, the billionaire who believes in banning fossil feels, a wealth tax and slavery reparations. he says the goal of the task force is to recover as fast and as safely as possible from the covid-19-induced recession and to create a fair, green, and prosperous future that remedies some of the injustices which this covid-19 pandemic has revealed in our society. this pandemic has revealed a lot, all right, about china, about state preparedness, about the ineptitude of the cdc, and about democrats' unwillingness to tolerate dissent. because if you're someone who believes the shutdowns in most states now are hurting in many cases more than helping, well, you're going to be labeled a pariah and antiscience. and heaven forbid if you choose to exercise your first amendment rights to peaceably protest.

>> trying to organize something like that -- qualified information. >> we do classify that as information and we take that down. i think a lot of the stuff that people are saying around a health emergency like this can be classified as -- is misinformation. >> laura: harmful misinformation. now, what's more true here? new york will need 30,000 ventilators? that sparked a lot of panic, right? was not harmful? or this? >> i think it was the worst -- probably the worst week of my life. pretty much looking at possibly losing everything we've worked for. >> the first week we have lost already 80% of our inventory. >> right now we are at zero everywhere. i mean no one -- it's even worse than i would have guessed. >> laura: so if those folks wanted to show up and peaceably protest, that would be part of

the harmful disinformation campaign to be taken down from facebook? i need the new rules. so snatching, spying with drones, limiting speech, chasing surfers off beaches or skateboarders out of skate parks, where there were a few proportionally -- very few covid cases. none of that sounds very healing to me. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 35, america in shutdown. joining me now is lara logan, fox nation host and former "cbs news" correspondent. also dinesh d'souza, conservative commentator and author of the upcoming book, "united states of socialism" and victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution, lara, let's start with you. why are the media interested in holding big tech or any of the state officials here accountable? there are a lot of civil libertarians out there when i talk about liberty or freedom for the syrians are the iraqis are the afghanis, but when it

comes to civil liberties being infringed upon perhaps in the united states, there are a lot of crickets chirping. >> well, the simple answer to that, laura, is it becomes polarized, right? it's a political debate now and if you're protesting, if you're on the side of civil liberties right now, you must be on the right and if you're not, then you're on the left and that's one of the things that i always tried to avoid in my work as a journalist, those political traps that are set for us as journalists because that's not how people see it. when i speak to people, what many of them say to me is why kant would both be concerned about the virus and serious about these measures and also believe in our civil liberties and want to stand up and i'm? why can't we want to go back to work? why can't we want to see our children but also be taking the virus very, very seriously and recognize that this is a tragedy? for people in this country, for many people, those two things do not conflict. it's very political and it's one

of those political traps that journalists perhaps should do a little more, try harder to avoid. >> laura: some of my favorite civil libertarians always remind me that it's times like these words most important to defend liberties and safeties. you want security and safety, but there's always a balance and, victor, the media made sure to smear, of course, the anti-lockdown protesters. >> we are seeing militia groups, we are seeing long guns, we are seeing nazi symbols. >> liberator free michigan, virginia. the kind of leadership that puts lives at risks. because this is the height of your responsibility. >> you want to call yourself protesters, leave your guns on, those are terrorists. >> laura: might be a lot of what they set about the tea party folks back in 200 2009 an' '10. >> you're not. and that's the same thing. and without the neo-socialist agenda was refuted in the 2019

end '20 primaries. bernie sanders was not successful. aoc, that type of agenda was not popular and now it's sabily, using this crisis to reemerge and rebirth. it never had 51% support. what's really sad, laura, is that there's a suppression of oppressioexpression that's not symmetrical. if you say that you're tolerant about modeling errors -- people say, science is not exact. the modelers got it wrong. masks are good today and sort of maybe not good or really bad depending on the day of the week. and if the viruses transmitted this way by touching something, no, by aerosol, no, by droplets. people are understanding that science is involving to evolving. it doesn't work the other way. if you have any skepticism about this lab in china, not that it was a viable weapon, just that it was an accident, then your conspiracy theorist. if you say that hydroxychloroquine might have some useful off label use, then it's equivalent to advocating that we turn to mercury arsenic.

if you say fluke, just the word influenza, that's a taboo word even though we know now from the usc samplings, from the stanford samplings, from the scenes overseas, but the people who are positive might need four to 15%. that radically changes the denominator and maybe the virus doesn't -- maybe one or two like the flu does per thousand. >> laura: so this was -- if you're -- this smear goes a long way. and this is a familiar tactic. dinesh, dr. fauci had a message to all the protesters as well. >> what your message back to those protesters? >> if you jump the gun and go with the situation where you have a big spike, you're going to set yourself back, so as painful as it is to go by the careful guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening, it's going to backfire. >> laura: as dr. fauci admits, he doesn't have to make

decisions with the economy in mind, that's not his focus. is that an issue? >> well, i think that there have been two separate ideas that have been conflated from the beginning of this crisis. the first one is the idea of social distancing and the other is the idea of a comprehensive economic lockdown. those have been pursued in tandem, but they're not the same. if you look to other countries, consider sweden for example, they have never had an economic lockdown, but they do have social distancing. so it's possible to have one strategy without the other. and yet, what's happening now is there's a kind of rhetorical bludgeoning in which protesters who are saying, listen, let's take a second look, we are all for social distancing, but there may be ways to open up the economy and still have social distancing and those people are treated as if they are somehow reckless, as if they are not considering the possibility of death, as if they're trying to infect their friends. nothing could be further from the truth. the legitimate debate is being

demonized and i think that's very unfortunate. >> laura: lara, i want to get into the chinese issue here because we now know the china obviously wasn't transparent, lied, didn't give the information they should have given, thought they could control this in wuhan, it got out, it was a disaster. what about those in the media who are still playing into chinese hands here without -- because maybe they see trump is anti-china, so they don't want to be anti-china, what is that? >> well, that's a very interesting question to me, laura, because as a journalist, when i look at the story, i really want to understand more about what exactly china was doing there. and when you look at what chinese scientists have been doing this year, there have been a number of them coauthoring articles with western scientists. it doesn't take much to see that there's a conservative propaganda effort they're coming from the chinese government that extends well beyond just what we see in the media and any time,

you know, a foreign government like china, whose been shown to be very dishonest, you can't do anything there without the communist party having a hand in it. so you're always more skeptical of the information coming out of there. and i've -- i've spoken to a number of bio weapons specialist, spoken to a number of scientists, have reached out to me, and they have a lot of concerns about the chinese government assertion that this came from a wet market. some of them point out that you don't buy masks at wet market. some say that viruses like this can be cultivated inside of that. so it's possible it'd come from that. and it did occur naturally, so it wasn't put there naturally. and others say that two viruses have combined, so there so much that we don't know and it's unfortunate to me that journalists are not asking more of those questions. >> laura: yet. if the benefit of the doubt, as victor said, only seems to go one way. china gets the benefit of the doubt, but not this administration. a panel, thank you so much, great to see what's in it.

coming up, why are mass layoffs hitting health care in the middle of the pandemic? my medicine cabinet ways in next. and you know the fullback story of the head of the world health organization? 's troubling past exposed ahead.

team physician for the l.a. rams and doctors. also with me as dr. remained honestly. renowned cardiologist, dr. oskoui, let's start with you. what's the long-term damage that this is doing to independent health care providers?

>> i think it's doing long-term damage to everyone. remember, health care is 20% of gdp. independent health care providers as well as those employed by systems are taking self-inflicted pay cuts or ones inflicted by their superiors. this is going to take months, maybe years to have a recover from. and you have 22 million people who have lost their health insurance, these hospitals, these doctors, these practices are going to take a huge financial hit for months to co come. >> laura: doctor, i've heard this from dr. friends across the country, gotten to know so many wonderful health care providers, i consider it a great privilege to know so many wonderful doctors. these are grown men and women who are in panic because they see their practices and their staff now suffering because they can't do any casework. >> you know, laura, it seems that the medical system with all of the preparation that we talk

and maybe the social mitigation, the medical system survived the virus. but what you're seeing now with this response to curtail medical service to most noncovid problems, what you're seeing in front of your eyes is the dismantling of the greatest and most robust medical system the world has ever known. >> laura: and doctor, what about the serology testing that is now been done, testing antibodies in individuals, showing that there are as many as 4% of folks -- i think it's an l.a. county alone, university of southern california, this antibodies test and 4.1% of the the county's adult population has anybody for the virus, a trans list about 20,242,000 adults who could be infected with covid that's about 55% at the top, 55 times higher than the confirmed case on the books. what does that tell us? >> what this shows is that the

numbers, as we go on day by day, bears out that the true impact of the virus as far as mortality rate is going to be what was originally thought would be about .1% and so what we've done is we've shut down or severely curtailed much of our medical system into curtailing it away from noncovid type of problems and we are creating a huge, huge eruption of problems that are looming. of the problem is whenever they do come home to roost, whenever these problems do start to show back up, we are able to take care of them. the medical workers that we were employing are not going to be there in large numbers to take care of them. >> laura: dr. oskoui, i want to play for you a crip from martha maccallum's show earlier tonight on fox. she interviewed one of the ih and the university of washington modelers on this issue of the antibodies, watch. >> we've been looking at very

carefully at these early antibody tests and i think we, like cdc and other parts of the government, have concerns about high false positive rates in many of these early tests. we think that these early studies are probably greatly exaggerating the actual number of a symptomatic infections in the community. >> laura: dr. oskoui, that's a big blow off of three different studies now. one on the east coast, to go on the west coast and more to come. so it's like because that makes them look bad, does it not? because they were predicting doom and gloom and it's not good, there are a lot of people who have suffered here and a lot of death, but what dr. elattrache just said, close to .1%, that's a very different response, perhaps, that would have been called for by the government. >> absolutely. the ih me has done a terrible job of predicting. i'm shocked that fox still has anyone on given the fact that sometimes they've overestimated matters by 200%. i think we need to move on to

more reliable modelers. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you so much, great seeing both of you doctors tonight. and the coronavirus pandemic has been of course devastating, but it's also exposed the incompetence of the world health organization. now, the organizations and buttons stems in large part from the group's director. if you have truly into his past, but tedros is not actually a medical doctor. in fact, he's the first w.h.o. had not to have an md, but don't worry, he did serve as a marxist revolutionary! not joking, by the way. tedros joined the tigre people's liberation front, which help to overthrow ethiopia's government back in 1991. this is the same group the u.s. state department labeled a terrorist organization due to its "violent activity before it became part of the ruling coalition and the government of ethiopia in may 1991.

they are now part of ethiopia's governing coalition. a coalition that according to "the new york times" has been criticized for displacing thousands of citizens. gunning down hundreds of protesters and jailing or torturing political opponents and journalists. when asked about all these atrocities, the times summarized tedros' answer as ethiopia is a democracy with the growing pains common to new governments. while, speaking of ethiopia, tedros' first big job was as the country's health minister from 2005 in 2012. another health minister without an md. were his biggest accomplishment was covering up not one, not two, but three separate cholera epidemics. according to reports, ethiopian officials pressured local ngos and doctors to classify cholera cases as acute watery diarrhea,

which of course was a lie and something the w.h.o. officials knew at the time. hiding the truth is apparently a good way to get ahead, however. he was later promoted to foreign minister in 2012. it was here where he spent time making inroads to china. the chinese were pumping billions into the ethiopian economic development, but of course at a cost. china is the largest holder of ethiopia's external debt, which beijing knows can never be repaid, and that makes what i'm about to tell you all the more interesting. when tedros became a candidate for w.h.o. chief in 2017, china went all in for him. "the washington post" noted at the time that china worked tirelessly behind the scenes to help tedros defeat the united kingdom candidates for the w.h.o. job. tedros' victory was also a victory for beijing, whose leader, zhejiang paying, has

made public his goal of flexing china's muscle in the world. given all that, it shouldn't come as any surprise that the w.h.o. is now praising china's handling of the disease that they unleashed on the world. >> we would have seen many more cases outside china by now. and probably deaths if it were not for the government's efforts. china is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response. >> laura: this is the same w.h.o. that is publicly bashing president trump for just telling the truth. >> i would like to begin by announcing some important developments in our war against of the chinese virus. >> the viruses know no borders and they don't care your ethnicity. it's really important that we be

careful in the language we use, lest it lead to profiling of individuals associated with the virus. >> laura: what a total fraud. okay. it's the chinese virus not because it's related to chinese people, but because of what happened where the origin was in china. and they all know that. given what i just laid out about tedros and china's diminished status currently, while trump should demand he and his lackeys resign. before the u.s. ever agrees to give them another cent. and speaking of the world health organization, instead of calling it out for bungling this pandemic, the hollywood left decided to celebrate and raise money for it. raymond arroyo exposes it all in "seen and unseen" and that's coming up next.

♪ >> laura: it's time for our "seen and unseen" segment or we expose the bicultural stories of the day. saturday's one world together at home concert raised money for the world health organization just as the president froze u.s. contributions. for details we are joined by arroyo, fox news contributor, all right, raymond, it was interesting was included in the global concert and who was excluded. >> laura, look, it was more than 70 performers from around the world, big names. they raised $55 million for the

world health organization. but some of these acts, laura, everybody from paul mccartney to elton john to j.lo were a little less then in fine form. watch. ♪ did you think that money was heaven sent ♪ ♪ >> ♪ people who need people ♪ are the luckiest people ♪ in the world >> laura: raymond, wait a second. j.lo sounded fantastic. >> no, j.lo sounded without autotune like she was singing into a little tiny fan and barbra streisand's backyard, come on. elton john, somebody needs to send him a memo. i don't think he's quite standing, laura. he's sitting down but he's not standing any longer. >> laura: actually love elton john. it is hard to hit those -- like you're not going to hit the

benny and the jets upper range, you're not going to hit that anymore and it's hard. >> that's true. that's true. >> laura: it's are but these guys are giants. >> standout moments, lizzo killed it. who did you like? >> laura: the rolling stones in their late 70s stole the show, start me up, play it. ♪ but i know a change going to come ♪ ♪ oh, yes, it will ♪ you can't always get what you want ♪ ♪ but if you try sometimes you just might find ♪ ♪ you get what you need. >> laura: lizzo was amazing. i knew he didn't sing start me up. that was just a throw to -- but jagger can belt it. it's got to be the yoga and all the stuff he does.

he is unbelievable. the stones, go see them when they go back onto her. >> they're doing the air guitar in the air drums. the president is right to question the w.h.o. and let me just put this whole thing in context. this concert was about raising money for the world health organization. the ap last year did a piece on them. they waste $200 million a year on luxurious travel which is more they spend on combating tb, aids -- what's the other? malaria combined. $200 million pair the president's right to question them. >> laura: i think there was one moment that we wanted weather without anyone or not, michelle obama, laura bush, very popular to thank our first responders then they issued a global call for unity. >> we've never been closer. not just in our great country, but tonight we stand with the

people of the world. >> laura and i want to express our overwhelming gratitude to the medical professionals, the coming days will not be easy, but this global family of ours is strong. >> apparently the global family, laura, is not terribly inclusive. i called the current first lady's office today. they confirmed that the global organizers did not extend an invitation to melania trump to record a message. it's arduous the partisanship of this concert and the political subtext. >> laura: she wasn't going to go up there and push the w.h.o. we just pulled the funding. we are not -- -- >> she should have said something nice about the first responders and they didn't even give her the option. >> laura: she is the most gracious person out there but you've got michelle obama star power, laura bush, star power, you got the stones. the rolling stones, i'm sorry, i've been talking about that all day. it's time to send out some corona kudos.

well-known actor used his platform to reach them hurting kids, who was it? >> actor john krasinski. he saw the video and was having a home from with just her father because her prom was canceled, so the actor decided to host a virtual prom this past weekend although seniors were misting out due to the lockdown. >> there are so much we are all missing during this crazy time, but this week there was one thing most kids were missing more than anything else. prom. so what did i do? >> laura: that's awesome! i love that! >> he got the jonas brothers, billie eilish, chance the rapper is not others to join him for the virtual prom. it's just what the class of 2020 needed. and a lot of these kids are heartbroken, missing their graduations, missing their problems, it's a nice gesture. >> laura: i think it's sad to be a member of the class of 2020, certainly memorable but they're not going to have that last few months of high school

that we all remember. well, most people remember. >> he used his fame to do something magnanimous and it's really helpful and not to serve some other agenda. >> laura: and it wasn't about him, it was about them, and that was a great time. all right, raymond, thanks so much, we will see you on wednesday. here's a concern that doesn't seem to be in anyone's mind. what if people don't want to go back to work on the other side of it? could that really be? herman cain joins us on the unintended consequence of government stimulus program, stay there. when taking a break from everyday life is critical to everyone's health, there is one thing we can all do together: complete the 2020 census. your responses are critical to plan for the next 10 years of health care, infrastructure, and education. let's make a difference, together, by taking a few minutes to go online to 2020census.gov. it's for the well-being of your community and will help shape america's future.

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>> laura: even more breaking news beer tonight, it is confirmed, something i had heard earlier today from a source inside government, reports out of north korea are suggesting that kim jong un is

in a very fragile state, some saying close to death even. this is obviously a huge development that will have major repercussions for the region and for the united states, we will continue to monitor it on fox news throughout the evening. >> are not going to be able to eat. i'm not going to be able to pay my gas, my electric. >> i can't pay any of my bills this month. >> i've had conversations with my parents about how it's probably back home if i can find work. >> we understand the health risks. but we also understand the need to keep the economy going. >> we want to get back to work. we are starting, we are dying on the vine. >> laura: but what ifs the so-called stimulus bill passed by congress encourages people not to work? provisions the democrats forced into the legislation could make it more lucrative for some workers to stay unemployed. this isn't getting a lot of attention in the media, but my next guests have been thinking about a lot, a couple of restaurant tours that i know,

herman cain, former 2012 presidential candidate, former f godfather's pizza and also with me is rodney mayo. south florida restaurant tour himself was forced to lay off 60 employees. herman, let's start with you, for this from a restaurant owner in washington who said half of his 600 employees have already said because of the money there now getting from two different sources from the government, they're making more staying out of work. these are close family friends over the years, but they're staying home now. what are your thoughts? >> well, my thoughts are what are they going to do when that runs out? one statistic says 20% of the businesses, the restaurant businesses, aren't going to be around after this is over because 20% of the businesses or more were on the edge of bankruptcy even before this happened and in order -- even if they were to get a government

loan/grant, they still are going to have to re-attract customers and they simply don't have the funds to do that. so they are right. they are going to have to look for other jobs. it's called "do what you can do." go look for another job if you don't think that your job is going to come back, and if you're part of that 20% that probably wasn't going to make it anyway, you should be finding another job right now. >> laura: but rodney, i'm focusing on this perverse incentive that two different restaurants -- two different types of food, both cuisine -- both have told me a good percentage of their employees, even if they went back into business tomorrow, wouldn't come back until that money runs out, i guess what is it, mid-july. what about that perverse incentive? i'm going to go rodney here, go ahead, rodney. >> go ahead, rodney. >> okay, well there is a lot of confusion over what all this --

the stimulus package means, but i think it's going to boil down to the owners and the boss. you know, it's their decision who they bring back on or who they rehire that's going to get help funded by the stimulus package. so, you know, i don't think they're going to have a choice. i don't think there's going to be many owners or bosses that are going to agree to hire summative back, pay them their full salary and let them sit at home. i would hope there would be some other options open to restaurant owners other than that. >> laura: herman, i think that when you look at this, again, well-meaning government, wants to help out the working people, they need help now, it's not their fault that this thing happened, a virus from china. but politico parted tonight on the massive conundrum facing small businesses. they're saying the new paycheck protection program waives the repayment of small business loans if the bar reuses 75% to maintain payroll, so with the

unemployment benefits, some workers can as much as double their weekly checks if they stay unemployed. herman, this is going to be an issue, and again, the democrats messed around with this bill and this is what was created. >> it's going to be a big issue, laura, for the one-third of the people. i estimate that it's going to be about one-third of the businesses, and employees that look at this as a windfall while they're not working, they are going to be on the short end of the stick when this is over with. they shouldn't be looking at this because it is a trap. i believe that two-thirds of the businesses are going to be able to survive with the government loan/grant. i believe the two-thirds are. but they're going to have to think outside the box. those employees that you're talking about are not thinking outside the box, they're looking short-term and they're saying,

wow, i can make this much money in the short term. that got to start looking long-term, and that means they might have to be looking for other jobs with other companies. they will be there, but they can't sit at home and say for me, i'm waiting for big government solution because big government solutions do not solve the problem. >> laura: rodney, you have now tennessee opening up, georgia opening up. it looks like north carolina, i believe, also getting close. south carolina getting close. where -- where do you stand in florida, and you have a great governor in ron desantis. wendy think you all will open up? >> well, let's see, the $60 million question. we are all hoping as soon as possible. but i'm a little afraid of is that they're going to do this in steps, which isn't going to really benefit us that much because as most people restaurant business no -- if they do this staged opening where we are only allowed to

seat 50% occupancy, we are not going to be able to survive doing that. we can barely eke out a living as it is. >> laura: rodney, rodney, we will check back with you. herman, great to see you tonight, thanks so much. even the nfl's biggest stars are getting caught in the covid era, don't go away.

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