>> sean: that's all the time we have left this evening. thank you always her being with us. you want to tune in monday nig night. big announcement, help some people in the mob have a nice weekend. let your heart not be trouble. laura ingraham? >> laura: i have a question. why are you teasing monday show on thursday night? hmm... >> sean: it's a big announcement. probably there will be to big announcements. >> laura: are you going to have another opinion? youyooi aren't going to have opinions. it's just going to be face. it's just going to be lots of >> sean: remember, you never look. spider-man, edition 129, the punisher. >> laura: i can't have this conversation. i got nothing from you. i got no pin, no turkey fryer

you promised me and thanksgiving. i remember that! >> sean: turkey fryer and pin on the way. f >> laura: you promised pelosi a freezer that cost $12,000? >> sean: no, they are $24,000 each! she's got two of them full of designer creams! >> laura: you are >> sean: this is my mask. take it off. >> laura: they are yelling at me that i've got to go. >> sean: go do your show. great shows this week. you've been great. spader thanks so much. i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington. the effects of sunlight and humidity during today's white house briefing, so tonight you are going to hear from an expert with another similar novation that could get us back to work. simple uv light, and/or light, an important discussion in moments. governor andrew cuomo has become

a media favorite due to his coronavirus response, but does he really deserve it? former new york city mayor rudy giuliani with his take. i wanted to do this segment for so long, but they've taken international heat for resisting a mandatory shut and locked do down.ac but what have the actual results being and are the people they are happier because it's more of a voluntary deal there? wea are going to speak to a journalist inside the country. but first my thoughts at the end of day 38, american shut down. remember when trump said this? >> they heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus, so that'll be a good thing. >> laura: and he got creamed for it! >> one thing the president is saying that by april if the warm weather comes, this all may just magically go away or miraculously go away. >> you heard from the cdc and fda officials, they are not confident that warm weather is

going to rid the world of this. >> health officials around the world the graham president trump has a new plan, wait for them or weather. >> laura: the snark! and then today... >> the virus dies the quickest under these direct conditions.s. look at the aerosol and you breathe it, you put it in a room that's 35 degrees 20% humidity, low humidity, it lasts halfway through the bottom our parade you get outside, it cuts it down to a minute and a half. >> laura: i like them. atliked him the moment he started speaking. great news for all of you being cooped up indoors, is it a complete change, of course, no. it's good news. the power of fresh air and sunshine. we all instinctively know this. it's good for our physical and mental health, it's pretty obvious. in this new covid-19 time warp we are all living in, for the president's enemies, and the

good for america is actually bad news. >> is it safe to make people go outside in the heat considering so many people are dying of spores. >> the new headline, "trump asks people to go outside," the same group. >> people want to get information and guidance and want to know what to do. they don't want rumors. >> i'm the president and you are a fake news. i'm here to present ideas because we want ideas to get rid of this thing and if heat is good and sunlight is good, that's a great thing as far as i'm concerned. >> laura: if you listen long enough to democratic governors and their poodles in the press they say, you will realize that there really is no good news in this covid era. none developments positive enough to get us to think of the science and data just to and reopened in the stanceo that really want to open any time

soon. now think about it, on easter sunday, we knew that new york's hospital system, although stretched in a few places, wouldve not be overwhelmed. whwe also knew that governor cuomo's claims or assistance that they would need 40,000 ventilators, was off by at least a factor of six. the collapse of our health care system was the entire justification of this national shutdown. speak up if we don't flatten the curve, how concerned are you? >> if you have a really massive increase in cases, there is no country or anybody in the world that's going to be perfectly prepared. that's the reason why we want to blunt that curve. if you let the curve get up there for, the entire society is going to get hit. >> we knew that hospitals were not going to break under covid. military hospital ships are largely empty. emergency hospital tents barely

utilized. no one who has needed an icu bed has been denied one. no one who's needed a ventilator has been denied one. this should be celebrated. the trump administration should get credit for these achievements. we achieve these very important goals in a very challenging time. the curve was flattened. but that's not good enough. now they tell us that we can't go back to our old life until almost a new bureaucracy is created to save us. >> we have to put together a tracing army. this is gonna be be a massive undertaking. the good news is that mayor michaelee bloomberg has volunteered to help us develop and implement a tracing company. >> laura: fantastic! bloomberg is iner charge? the guy who does not think china's president xi is a dictator? i'm going to be shocked, and i hope i am surprised, but i'll be

shocked if new york truly opens up. like the old new york before the election. you don't think so? that's the way i see things going. hope i'm wrong. i hope i am wrong. although 26 million americans are now out of work, the president's top medicalle advisor's sole focus, you can't even really blame them, their focus is the virus. today, the top guy to shade on the testing issue. the media pick this up and then they threw it at trump's face. >> dr. fauci said that the u.s. is not in a situation where he can say that where we want to bg in regards to testing capacity, said we need much more testing capacity as well as tests.ha >> dr. fauci says we just aren't there -- >> i don't'ti agree. if he said that, i don't agree. >> laura: good! i love that.r

because if we wait for dr. fauci's seal of approval to reopen america, we may not have in america to reopen. at least not one we recognize. i have my own testing proposal. if you want to hear it? let's start testing the data and theories that have been shifting ever since this virus began. first, it's very confusing. first masks didn't help, now they are required in a lot of states, they do help? first we were told that millions and millions of people could die and we were told the models that forecast millions and millions of people could die were banned. then we were told the virus was far more lethal than the flu. that was terrifying! now we know it's likely to be closer to may be a really aggressive flu season. courtesy of the antibias jottings on both the east and west coast, we see the virus was circulating for probably a lot longer than we thought. that means more people were exposed to it and many of those

had in the community to it. speak of what we've shown so far is the statewide number is 13.9% tested positive for having the antibodies. it means these are people who were infected and who developed the antibodies fight the infection. if the infection rate is 13.9%, that would mean .45% death rate. >> that too is better news than we thought and we heardth originally about this virus. it certainly though does not mean that we need to test 300 plus million americans that dr. birx reference the other day. if we need to test 300 plus million americans to create a new certificate community for work andve travel that some are actually proposing. the bottom line is this. most americans desperately want to get past this shutdown. others want to prolong it, if you can believe it or not, for

political reasons. or maybe to extract a few more policy concessions. the more damage we sustain, the more likely and radical restructuring of america will follow.ea it's a damocles sword hanging over our heads right now. the less likely it is will recover anytime soon and the more american lives will be lost to things like depression, suicide, addiction, and domestic abuse. and of course, the less likely it is that trump will win reelection. does anyone honestly think that the biden campaign actually want this country to open up anytime soon? i mean, they obviously prefer him in fewer missteps, fewer gaps. most of the time. >> we are here in the basement of my home which has been turned into a television studio. not very familiar with. clear at that time the president had no sense in science, no

sense of responsibility. and i just -- really worried me that... >> laura: where you off too,y joe? if we don't get this common role and again, that man could become the president of the united states. that is far more terrifying than any coronavirus. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 38, america in shutdown. my next guest is one of the first doctors to promote another potential treatment as a tool to fight the coronavirus. uv light. he wrote this piece in "the daily caller" last week that social distancing and staying home is like fighting an air war without an air force. only bomb shelters. if we want like to get back to normal, wet should start installing ultraviolet light fixtures in public spaces today. joining me now is dr. bruce davidson, pulmonary physician

and member of hhs's advisory council for the elimination of tuberculosis. i know uv light has been utilized to sanitize surgical settings and even planes, but critics i'm guessing saying it's too harmful to use around people? are they right? >> no, they are wrong. uv light has been used for decades. upper room, germicidal, low dose uv light is quite safe. we installed it in our tv clinic in philadelphia during the 1993 epidemic of drug resistant tb. cdc recommended it. updated the recommendations, .05. experts have used it and installed it in african clinicst so that we really turned it up to do it safely. dose is everything, laurel. anything at too high dose, but low dose uv is quite safe.

>> laura: there are a lot of critics are out there and it's only fair to hear from them. let's watch. >> now he's making dangerous claims about uv light. >> uv lamp is not going to protect you from covid-19. don't want people to think this is another miracle cure. >> the president amplified the statements that are without evidence and again i'm sure people that go out now and try to figure out how they can buy a uv light. >> laura: this came up in a white house briefing and a reporter went back for a second time basically, are you encouraging, mr. president, people to go outside with a band abandon basically, go out there and flout the current rules? i'm paraphrasing. the president said it's just information, we are trying to give information to the people. using the snark and the scott thing in those comments we played bit no one is saying it's a cure all, but what are they

not understanding what you have discovered? >> well, medicine is about detail. if someone is diabetic, we don't say take insulin. we say take rent insulin at a certain dose at a certain hour. uv light has been as i mentioned refined over the years. it's been tested in a laboratory, it kills airborne coronavirus is as i wrote in the "daily caller" article. kills them in seven seconds. used in upper room low dose improper spaces. >> laura: explained that, doctor. upper room. if you go in a store, although sweden is open, we'll talk about it a little later, a lot of the stores are empty even though they don't have any restrictions because people are afraid. they are so afraid of this vir virus, what would happen ifn you go into a story, let's say you

had this technology, what would happen with the lights being installed above, how does that work? >> i gave the example of a bar restaurant or waiting room that's 40 feet by 80 feet, 8-foot tall high ceilings. by two fixtures, they look like fluorescent lights for $175 each, space them. you put ceiling fans, cheap ones that pulled them up slowly, you have them shine in across the upper part of the room. you install them for a seven and a half, 8 feet up. you need to do certain things to spare the people below. but it's that simple and it needs to be monitored. it needs to be part of buildingi codes like sprinkler symptoms. >> laura: we have to go, but we are looking for information and solutions that are scalable

and understandable and safe. it seems like there are a lot of new dell my people out there who want to take no for an answer. they never want to take yes for an answer. a lot of people feel like the country is dying day by day if we don't get this thing open and confident again. i just think it's fascinating to have you come on. thank you for joining us tonight. >> you bet. have thank you for having me. >> laura: we may not be able to and the lock down completely but can we at least be outdoors? sunlight, sunshine, fresh air. a new study looking at 318 different covid outbreaks i in china found that only one of them occurred outdoors. and only involved two people. here to respond is dr. ben carson, hud secretary and brilliant. we love dr. carson. what could more results like this mean for reopened in

america? people are thinking they have to stay shuttered inside, dr. carson, and watch netflix and wait for the government to send a check and everything is going to be okay. you are probably not surprised by the study, i would imagine. >> i'm not surprised at all. we've always known that sunshine and fresh air is good for you. and that just confirms it. and of course, there was at the press conference today, talked about the findings in that heat and sunlight and humidity were the things that kill the virus. you kind of think of it logically, you take a teaspoon or sock and you put it in a small container of water, it becomes very salty. you put it in a lake, and hardly makes a difference. that's whatat it's like when you go outside and you have things floating around. you have the ability to disperse them rightly.

i just find the people who don't understand that to be a little bit strange. >> laura: you put it very mildly. that's very charitable. there does seem to be an effort to discount any positive development, anything! even if a drug is used by d.c., turkey, ukraine, every major hospital like hydroxychloroquine, that's ridiculous. i got doctors from ucla today messaging, i can't go on camera, but this is what we've been using since early march because it's worked in a number... it's unbelievable! >> that's how we make progress as human beings, being able to go out and explore and find out, you know, using our brains to do things in a logical, sensible, and safeway. but we just don't sit there and wait.

that's what some people seem to be advocating. that's absolutely the wrong way to do it. there are so many things that have been worked on right now, so many trials that are going on and we should be really thankful that we have an fda and an administration that's willing to explore. for that reason, if this comes back again in the fall, we are going to have a lot more things to fight it with. that's why we have to continue to work. >> laura: dr. carson, i do want to ask you about that because i have a lot of moms in my circle who have young kids. and a lot of moms, they are just -- they are frantically worried their kids are not going to go back to school in fall. i don't know what to tell them. i don't know what to say. i don't know if d.c., maryland, virginia, at the rate they are going, i don't know what's going to happen, but a lot of people are very concerned about the daily damage that's happening to

their kids into this economy, and to good small business owners regardless of how manyt government checks that they are able to stand, people want to get back to work, dr. carson. >> i don't blame people for people wanting to get back to work. it's just that we've got do it safely. and how it's been outlined with a phased approach is the right way to do it because we can observe andd make sure things ae going in the direction that we want it to an increase in increase until we get it to full steam ahead. that's the way logical people do things. they don't go around creating hysteria. >> laura: dr. carson, are you worried that it seems like the goalposts keep shifting? we had to shut down the save the medical system, the medical system was saved. we have the shutdown to make sure that we didn't lose people that they didn't get ventilators, but people didn't get on ventilators and we were able to say people. the trump administration did an

amazing job. the goalposts is that an army of tracers and trackers are needed, 300,000 people. every time we achieve a metric, we go to the next metric. >> hopefully those of us who are logical will learn from these things and will conduct ourselves in a different way and make different recommendations. a lot hasnt been learned through all this and that's what we've really got to take away from this, and we've got to take a look at some of the positive aspects as avoid the negative aspects. we got so many people who just want to criticize no matter what happens. why not use some of the intellect to help find solutions? wouldn't that make more sense? >> laura: getting to it. dr. carson, thank you so much for coming on tonight. >> you too, laura. >> laura: one constant in the media coverage is governor cuomo is doing just an incredible job. that's the consensus. what do the facts say? i'm going to show you. former mayor rudy giuliani will respond next.

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♪ >> laura: over the past few >> laura: over the past few weeks, new york governor andrew cuomo has almost been raised up to demigod status. according to "the new york times," he emerged as an authoritative voice on the crisis. abc news said thisc was the moment the andrew cuomo has prepared for all his life. and there was more. >> you see a spectacular political leader emerging from this in f andrew cuomo, governig based on facts, data, science, and just telling it like it is. >> republicans count me, they look at formal and they say, god said, there a lever. >> reminded people that they may have come along as much as i have my whole life.

>> laura: i love that one. what are the actual facts. i said this on the show, i do admire the governor's really blunt, no nonsense approach to fighting fors the people of the state. that's what governors are supposed to do. i appreciate his willingness to put politics aside. he came, he met with the president, i think he is trying to work with them for the good of his own state. when it comes to the actual management, the nitty-gritty management of the crisis, is he really succeed in? let's take a look.wh trump was pilloried questioning whether new york really needed 30-40000 ventilators. well, cuomo as you remember it was adamant that his state needed them. but according to the latest estimates from the but according to the latest me model not 30 or 40,000, but 500,086. what about the hospital beds? cuomo said the state would need

140,000 hospital beds. the i am a and she said now that the number peaked at 19326..s and then the u.s. in this comfort barelyused, the army corps of engineers moved heaven and earth to turn the javits center into a field hospital. trump was relentlessly hit over the head, you got to do this, you got to do this. those resources in retrospect have been more useful elsewhere. but who knows. it's worth examining, were thinking about. that leads up to what perhaps almost most readmit residents who have

tested positive for the coronavirus. that has been the rest are us with over 3,500 nursing home fatalities. when the media finally got around to asking about this ridiculous policy, governor cuomo was largely in the dark. >> if you are tested positive for the virus, are you allowed to be admitted to a nursing home is the question, or readmitted? >> yes. >> that's a good question. i don't know. >> laura: it's refreshing he didn't try to spin it. but he didn't know. that is the vulnerable population here. just as sweet and what they've had to do here. unacceptable. why aren't other media outlets holding him accountable even with the early numbers and. projections off by a factor of six? we raise thisai issue with dr. fauci. i said, what if these numbers are wrong to dr. fauci.

he said, that would be a problem. compare similar cuomo to florida's ron desantis. miami told him to "act like he gives a damn." florida's new deaths, it's 4. new york's? 81 to per 100,000. maybe, just maybe, it's time to stop acting like partisan sounding boards and start taking -- try to do a little bit more than evenhanded looked at some of their favorite state leaders. again, i think he's been aggressive for the people of his state. that's what the governor should do. doesn't mean you're a demigod and never get question. by the way, that should include his appearances with his little brother on cnn. join them and now his router

giuliani, new york city mayor. i go back to my original question. governor cuomo had a pretty good ride from the beginning of all of this in dealing with a very difficult situation in new york, but does he deserved a degree of this praise? >> i'm willing to give it to h him. i do get upset about the double standard because i think a lot of other governors have done just the good of job. governor cuomo was handed the biggest problem. more people died in new york than any place else, he did exactly what i would do if i were the governor. he asked for too much. the president i think deserves a lot more credit than he gets because the president actually handled it wisely. he gave him what he needed, he questioned it, but gave them what he needed, nobody can say that the president didn't give new york everything he needed,

even governor cuomo has to say that. but the reality is all of them were guessing. this is a novel virus. new. we didn't know what we were dealing with. someone could make a very wild and crazyav projection, you hado feel like you had to buy it. i think the governor has done a good job given the political m environment, he's made some mistakes. so then i when i dealt with september 11th. but by and large he's done a good job for his state. fought for us, i give the president even more credit because the president was the one ---- >> laura: we have to move forward. we got it. let's move the conversation forward, rudy. here's the deal. a lot of this right now is political. a lot of the conversation, you don't want it to be political, but any bit of good news in the

way this virus is handled by a red state governor, and he did good news, is immediately discounted.co for the most part. a fewe, people not what they thought. okay. but don't trash ron desantis, don't hear kristi noem, and don't go after mitch mcconnell and say kentuckians do not want to pay for endless handouts when we could pay open the country. >> don't try to blame donald trump for the coronavirus, blame china. stop defendant china, which is outrageous. i mean, stop lying about what happened in china. i mean, this thing goes back to

november, at least. china hated for at least a month and a half. china lied about it. china protected their own people by not letting them leave wuhan and they sent 1.5 million people out of wuhan to come and infect us. >> laura: that's all right. michael bloomberg is going to handle o the army of tracers in new york. >> that's totallyy ridiculous! they should trace every body for cancer! they should trace every body for cancer! and obesity! a lot of things kill you more than covid-19! we should be traced for all those things! a life contains a certain degree of risk, you have to live with it. the thing off all the democratic governors for is trying to keep his clothes did and not trying to open us, take some steps

towards opening up businesses. try a few experiments. let's get back to work again. because we are ready to go back to work again. we can't beot protected forever from everything. >> laura: can't live inner a bubble. that doesn't work. rudy, great seeing you as always. coming up, we warned you this would happen. democrats are openly exploiting the covid crisis to achieve political pipe dreams. steve forbes steve forbes, mike huckabee tells us how next. - when i noticed

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for all your headlines, go to foxnews.com. >> laura: where millions of americans feel pain and suffering, democrats seen opportunity in the coronavirus and some aren't even trying to hide it. >> i'm wondering if you see the potential as some others in the party do for a new progressive era, if you want to call it that, in national politics and policy. >> absolutely we see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business. and how we govern. b1 reshape? reimagine? remake. joining me now is steve forbes, editor in chief of forbes media, and mike huckabee, former governor and fox news contributor. jim clyburn frame the timing of a pandemic that's n now killed over 47,000 americans as a "tremendous opportunity." your thoughts? >> that's stunning that someone would see this as an opportunity

rather than an incredible burden over the now 26 million americans who are out of work. it's also an opportunity for america to decide if they want thesee kind of policies to take individualism and turn into collectivism. do they want more government, not less. do they want more government tow be localized, or do they want some distant federal government taking over every aspect of their lives, telling them to go home, stay put, don't mow your d lawn, don't plant a garden, don't gohe breathe fresh air and get sunshine. i don't think the american people are stupid enough to e wt the choice that democrats are going to give them. >> laura: steve, one thing we keep saying is that we talked about it last time you work on, are the shifting goalpost. we can reopen when we flatten the curve. we can reopen when we have all the ventilators we need, we can we open, now we need an army of tracers and trackers according

to andrew cuomo, apparently michael bloomberg is going to oversee it. i mean, how realistic is any of that and how do they keep moving the goalpost? >> they keep moving the goalpost because they know it means more federal control, government control of our lives. the federal reserve's controlling trillion dollars of capital, proposals to have the government do more government support of corporations, which is a form of socialism, without having to take over the company. you see it in federal control of voting, see it apps where they take track of our movements. they won't stop until donald trump admits he's wrong and becomes a democrat which is not going to happen but that's why this election is so important. we want an economy that's paris that made america strong which we sing now with the private sector is doing or do we want in a more economy like europe? europe is lagging the growth rate for over 40 years because they've gone in the direction of high taxation regulation.we we try to push and in the

opposite direction. freedom works. that's what. this election will be about. >> laura: governor huckabee, we keep hearing about we have to defeat the virus. we have to defeat the virus. and there we can go back to normal. what do you our founders think about the essential nature ofab freedom, but very few people talking about civil liberties or freedom, those can come later. is that really the case when you see such a massive intrusion upon every aspect of american life in the absence of data or changing data or shifting data? >> leading the decisions be made by a handful of people who were never elected by anybody. look, i take this all seriously. i really do. the virus is a real threat. i get it. at the same time it's a bigger threat to lose our way of life, our prosperity, our government, our constitutional freedoms and rights. these were precious. was made great

because people took risks. there are certain levels of risk that we all have to take whether it's walking across the street in new york city or weather. perhaps being exposed to some german virus that might make a second and could even kill us. that's life. >> laura: lawson life is a part of life and we mourn every person who's lost their life in this horrific virus. but i'm hearing from a lot of people who feel like they are losing their lives bit by bit every day now. gentlemen, thank you so much. the left fallen out of love with sweden. can you believe it? it's all in the way they responded to the coronavirus. we will explain it. next. they're our parents... our brothers and sisters. and our children. but now, they are more than that. they are forever our heroes, too. at prudential, we're fortunate to know and serve them. and we're grateful to the heroic men and women

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♪ >> laura: sweden was once >> laura: sweden was once praised by the left for its

lavish welfare state. but the times, they are changing. unlike the rest of europe, sweden has not imposed a full lockdown. instead, they are trying to keep their hospitals from being overrun with minimal intervention to protect the vulnerable and encouraging individual responsibility. thery primary schools with younr kids, they got to stay in school. nonessential business he is, churches still open. somehow this is really, really upsetting to certain cable hos hosts. >> it's? very appealing in an ideological sense that sweden the side and we don't need a lock everything down, keep it loose. turns out the virus doesn't care how cool that sounds. where the rest of us live and die on this planet, we didn't let's not lock anything down approach has actually been pretty disastrous. it's been pretty lethal. >> laura: it always depends on how you lay that chart out, by the way. you can make those lines look a lot different depending on what they are vertical and horizontal

is. what's the truth? the death rate in sweden is about 198 per million. it's doing worse than denmark, norway, finland but one reason is the virus swept through swedish nursing homes. the way sweden counts death may be a factor but what happens whenen you consider sweden to te rest of europe. spain, italy, france, the u.k. are all seen farmer deaths per capita despite imposing very strict stay-at-homeme orders. the truth is we don't know how the swedish approach will ship f out yet, but it's foolish to simply dismiss it outright. answering these questions right now, we are joined by johan norberg, senior fellow at the cato institute. what are critics missing about sweden's approach here? >> i think exactly what you pointed to is i something that they are missing. sweden is an outlier when it comes to policy because we

haven't lock the society down but we are not an outlier when it comes to outcomes. that tells you something about how people have misinterpreted what's goingng on in the world what they are also missing is i think sweden is a powerhouse when it comes to statistics. we have by tradition of very nosy government that wants to know who's been naughty, who's been nice, what we're doing. that might be bad in some circumstances but the good thing is we know very well who is alive and's who's dead. with many countries, they don't count debts outside of hospitals, covid-19 debts, they don't count it at home or in nursing homes. whereas sweden tracks every death where it takes place, we have a personal i.d. number, we have to show an i.d. card at the doctor. i think that we catch more of the deaths than other countries

do. >> laura: johan, there is an epidemiologist, questioning the severity of the disease there. watch. >> you>> don't think that the severity of these into goingening measures are to make that much difference? >> i don't think so. what we are seeing is a tsunami which is sweeping over europe. sometimes it's do this. sometimes it do that. sometimes it's don't do that. in the end, there'll be a very little difference. >> laura: i love the kind of swedish dismissiveness of it! i know a lot of swedish men of that age that have that same... it's kind of appealing. he said in the end, the disease is going to do what the disease is going to do and we now found out, johan, that herd immunity will be reached in about two, three weeks perhaps in sweden.

then they are kind of done after the herd community, correct? >> yeah,ho we hope so pure thats why we shouldn't pay too much attention to comparisons of cases and deaths right now. because almost every other country except sweden has just postponed death. they won't avoid them. because there are still no arguments that have been made that suddenly this will go away after their lockdowns are over. and it's waiting for a vaccine -- i mean, that couldky take a year. if we're lucky, it could take several years. no country can shut down the economy for more than a year without ruining the economy and society completely, that would kill more people than the virus does. with some luck, sweden will get through this in a couple of months while protecting the most vulnerable and protecting health care, and that the essential thing. can we manage to mitigate the

disease question mike we can't suppress it, but can be mitigated to the extent that we can take care of all the cases and make sure we get the best t. in that case, sweden might be a through this in a couple of months while you have it ahead of you. >> laura: it's been fascinating to watch. sweden always held up as the example. everyone has to emulate sweden until sweden decided to go its own way. i find it fascinating. great to see you tonight. coming up, what happens when someone on the left thanks president trump? the democrats end up playing d dirty. we have exclusive new video for you up next.

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range had you not brought this to the forefront of this, being able to put this out here i wouldn't be here today to have this conversation with you. thank you for everything you have done. >> remember karen whitson who was on the two weeks ago saying donald trump's push for hydroxy chloroquine saved her life when she contracted the virus. now she is paying a political price because she filmed this exclusive video, she is a democrat, about the dirty politics from her own party. >> i will be censored by the thirteenth district for thanking the president of the united states for taking care of me and ensuring i have a quality

healthcare i needed with hydroxy chloroquine. a simple thank you has gotten me censored. i thought i had first amendment rights but i guess i don't. the democratic party is showing me that i don't. >> it is unbelievable what democrats did to her, shameful, take it all from here. shannon: a lot of breaking news. the fourth bipartisan coronavirus relief bill headed to the president's does, the house passing a $480 billion package to get money to struggling small businesses and to widely expand testing. advancement in finding a vaccine on the same day new research shows that the sun and heat may weaken the virus when it is in the open. we will hear from