>> ed: these days it's hard to forget which day it is sometimes. but when friday comes, i seem to to always know it's here. >> sandra: [laughs] friday, april 24th, for those who don't know. >> ed: [laughs] >> sandra: now udo! >> ed: have a great weekend. >> sandra: another great week with you. we'll be back monday morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump set to signed the face 3.5 stimulus package passed by lawmakers. we will bring that to you just as soon as we get it. this, is the showdown continues over when states could reopen their economies amid the coronavirus pandemic. multiple states across the country are starting to ease lockdown restrictions. five of them, allowing certain businesses to reopen their doors today. georgia, facing the most pushed back so far. as president trump doubles down on his criticism of governor brian kemp's move. >> i wasn't happy with brian kemp. i wasn't at all happy.

and i could have done something about it if i wanted to, but i'm saying that the governors do it. but i wasn't happy with brian kemp. spas, beauty parlors, tattoo parlors. i want them to open as soon as possible, and i want the state to open, but i wasn't happy with brian kemp. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox business anchor, dagen mcdowell. dr. janette nesheiwat, family and emergency medicine physician and fox news medical contributor. joining us today, bret baier, fox news chief political anchor. also the anchor and executive editor of "special report." he is "outnumbered." we are going to get to our virtual couch or just a moment. first, let's bring in jonathan serrie, live in a town just outside atlanta, with the latest from there. jonathan? >> we are in sandy springs, a suburb just north of the city of atlanta, where we are already

starting to see some of these small businesses reopening despite concerns from president trump, georgia governor says his plan is both safe and science-based. he tweeted, "for weeks now, my team has worked closely with the trumpet administration and our federal counterparts to mitigate the impact of coronavirus in georgia. our decisions and direction are informed by data and public health recommendations. despite the governor's order, not everyone is rushing to reopen. the owners of this atlanta barbershop say they are not ready until they can acquire proper safety equipment. >> without masks and without regular testing for our asymptomatic staff, we won't feel comfortable opening. it's very similar to sweating it out in the desert with no water. >> and, melissa, coming back to our live shot, you can see this fitness center is legally allowed to reopen, but it's part

of a national chain that wants to be cautious and wait a while. salons are able to open, some of them are gearing up in the shopping center that has multiple salons. and a combination dog wash and coffee place, throughout all this, has been serving only its canine customers on the inside, serving their human counterparts on the outside. restaurants will be able to reopen some limited dining services starting on monday as long as they can maintain social distancing. it'll be interesting how safe customers feel about that. and how many restaurants decide to reopen. obviously, reopening is voluntary. what we are seeing from our nonscientific survey is a little bit of both. some people playing it cautious, other people feeling very safe to reopen with safety cleaning and distancing protocols. back to you, melissa.

>> melissa: jonathan serrie, thank you so much for that. let me bring it to the couch. bret, one thing that strikes me about this controversy about whether or not we should be reopening, not everyone feeling the same way even if they are in the same place, we don't want everyone running outside of their house at the same time, anyway. if an area starts to open and not everyone there is comfortable, that's probably a good thing. because it means only a couple people are going to go out and put their toe in the water. a few businesses will open and give it a shot. that lukewarm reception, to me, it seems to help. what are your thoughts? >> bret: let me start out by saying that i don't understand why perk-n-pooch was not an essential business at the beginning. [laughter] pricked my ears they are. >> melissa: you're ! >> bret: i think you're right. residents and citizens have a say. what's out there, they will have

a say and input, no matter what the regulations are. it is nuanced, it is "be careful." it isn't like flicking a switch, as he said many times. it's continuing to wear the masks, continuing to focal distance. when you look at the back end of business is suffering, many of them are ready to give it a sh shot. >> melissa: dr. nesheiwat, they talk about opening the tattoo parlors. i'm so bored, i'm ready to give myself a tattoo at home. but that's besides the point. as we let people back out to, we know who is more vulnerable. i would trust those people to stay home and not get out there. we know who maybe has had it a while ago and got over it, and probably has antibodies and is safer to venture out. can we trust people to make responsible decisions a little bit about their health? >> dr. nesheiwat: i would hope

so, but that's where education comes into play. we look at georgia, they failed to meet the criteria to even engage in phase one. remember, you can't go into phase one unless you meet that 14-day declined trajectory in a number of cases. then you enter phase one, which includes the fact that vulnerable people must still shelter at home. for those who are not in the vulnerable population, yes, they need to be aware to avoid groups of more than 10, to keep that 6-10-foot distancing, to wear a cloth covering. we have to continue to oblige americans to hear the guidelines and protect themselves, because we don't want them going out into the public and bringing home disease to their loved ones, to their grandma or grandpa or someone with an underlying medical disease. >> melissa: you know, there's always that preparatory phase. dagen, we are about that yesterday, i believe it was gm. they were saying they are beginning the stage where you tell people, "we are getting ready to go back to work."

you begin to prep the factories. just because you reopening things doesn't mean they are really opening. there is a phase, things you have to do in order to ramp up. that is some of what's going on, is it not? >> dagen: indeed. and there are certain industries that could easily reopen. for example, construction work is considered an essential business in many parts of the country it's shut down. just in new york city you can see some construction workers and some construction projects kind of coming back online, if you will. to bret's point, he was joking about the perk-n-pooch -- i do have to say it like you're from georgia -- but these are businesses, if you're in a dog grooming business, why can't you be open at this point? if somebody drops their dog off outside, take the leash off, pushes the dog into the door, and you don't have the physical contact with the person working there, this is how we begin to reopen an economy. to dr. nesheiwat's point, george

has not met some other metrics that doctors look like in terms of the percentage of positives they are getting from testing. you're looking for maybe a 10% positive or lower, anything higher than that suggests there is a lot of positive coronavirus individuals who are being missed. broadly, the u.s. is testing at a 20% positive rate. georgia is even higher than the national average right now, at 23% of tests administered being positive. so there needs to be more testing in georgia. >> melissa: yeah, and the republican congressman from that state, doug collins, echoing some of those concerns. let's listen and, harris, we'll get you on the other side. >> this is going to be an opening that needs to happen, but it's also an opening we have to make sure people are comfortable with. that's why the president put out the guidelines he did. we need to follow those guidelines. if you get ahead of the guidelines, that's a national standard. every state has the ability to do what they want to do, and the

governor has the right to do it, and i respect them. i, like him and the president, want to see it open back up. but as a balance of listening to all interests and not sibley saying, "whose interests we are going to open back up." >> melissa: harris? >> harris: you know, i'm grappling with what the metric actually is. does it have more to do with, as doug collins just said to, representative collins, what people are comfortable with? or are we looking at the science? the science is irrefutable, that we are looking at, from even what dagen just said. 23% positive of those tested. we know there's not exactly widespread testing where it needs to be almost anywhere. we are still ramping up to that. that's 23% of those that now, in a more depressed testing state, or getting looked at and testing positive. also, the governor of georgia says he is going to allow the shelter-in-place order to expire at the end of the month, which

is next thursday. again, what is the science that is being looked at? that may be the comfortability, if you will, of what people want to do in the economy. on the suffering there is real,t paychecks. but the comfort ability. for instance, i know >> harris: i was kind of teasing about it -- and i were all going to say it -- the perk-n-pooch. because i'm from georgia. >> bret: omi. >> harris: why are we leaning into this? it is difficult to get my 'fro blown out with a 6-foot difference between me and someone. [laughter] the part that the mask is on will get blown out. i've got enough issues doing it myself. i'm just wondering, in all seriousness, why those businesses, it's going to be difficult to distance services anyway. >> melissa: let's ask dr. nesheiwat. what do you think about that? >> dr. nesheiwat: it is a challenge, that's why we have to

open up the economy in phases. that's why we stay home and phase 1. that's why workplace centers, for example a barber shop, they need to have a strategic plan in place to protect their employees and to protect the customers. for example, are you going to do temperature checks when someone walks in the door? temperature checks on employees and on your customers? are you going to have masks for your employees or maybe your customers, as well? are you going to have hand sanitizers? it's important to have a plan in place so we can proceed. if i was entering and phase 1 in the state where he met all the criteria, i would feel comfortable knowing they were checking temperatures, doing testing of their employees, and also doing contact tracing. i would feel comfortable if my hairstylist was wearing a mask. all these little things together, collectively, can allow for a safer move forward to be able to engage in normal

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night passed the nearly $500 billion legislation via vote of 388-5. we will bring you that live video as it comes from the white house, as soon as it pops. also, democrats are already pushing for a phase four relief bill to provide some funding to state and local governments. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says state should file bankruptcy rather than seek what he calls "a federal bailout." in last night's coronavirus task force briefing, the president sounded open to the idea. >> i'm speaking to a lot of people about it. it's probably going to be the next thing on the list. a lot of people understand very well what mitch is saying, and they also understand the other side of the problem. i'll be speaking about it. we are going to do the right thing for our country. >> harris: so, bret, i'm curious to know what you think is the difference right now between a 3.5 and where it sits, and possibly 4, including states and local governments.

there would also be funding for things we need, like unemployment? >> bret: it'll be a massive, massive package. 3.5 was kind of like a spackle to cover the whole of what was lost in the ppd program, going out the door, and then obviously also hospitals ay for testing. this next one will be big. there's talk of infrastructure being in there. i think it's a real debate about states and municipalities. some of these states, obviously, have had problems financially going into this moment. this just exacerbates that even further. but you had some op eds in the chicago area saying that mitch mcconnell's idea may help them, actually, to deal with their financial problems. i think that has yet to be debated fully on the state funding. >> harris: you know, melissa,

you and i were talking yesterday that new york was already rocking a $6 billion or more deficit going into the pandemic. and now they would be looking at -- i believe you and i said it, about $15 billion in terms of help. is it fair to address that previous debt along with an emergency package? that's also part of the equation that, no doubt, mitch mcconnell is looking at. >> melissa: yeah, the problem is money is fungible. it's hard to tell which seller is going through it. the reason why bankruptcy comes into this is because a lot of the debt and the legacy costs in states our pensions to state workers, they were in promises, they realize. if you work for this many years, you get this money going forwa forward. the state can't pay it, because this is not a realistic thing. there are not enough taxpayers to report it. the reason why new york was in the hole before this started is

people have left the state because of the tremendous tax burden that goes toward a lot of those pensions and liability. declaring bankruptcy would get the states out from under all of that old will be called "legacy debt." it's why companies like ford and gm and others in the past, long ago, have gone bankrupt. or airlines or others, in order to get out from under some of those "promises" that were, in action ability, lies. because there is no way to ever pay that money down the road. that's why this is interesting on the state level. >> harris: all right. dagen, i want to ask you this, because new york governor andrew cuomo made headlines just moments ago. he was talking about senate majority leader mcconnell, and he said, " i dare you to pass a law giving state's legal ability to declare bankruptcy." why a dare? for the reasons melissa justly t laid out, it seems like people would be talking about it. why would he dare

mitch mcconnell? what would it look like if states declared bankruptcy? >> dagen: this has become a political back and forth, first and foremost. any chapter 9 filing by a state would be challenged in court. this is something "the wall street journal" editorial page has written about, and that many believe state bankruptcy would be unconstitutional under the contracts clause. mitch mcconnell's point is that he doesn't want congress to write blank checks to these states without some strings attached to the money as to how it's being spent. the journal editorial points out that the $2.2 trillion rescue package included $150 billion in blank checks to the state, plus $90 billion for schools, public transit, and medicaid. that's essentially the equivalent of three months of tax collections for all the states. there was a hefty sum of money

in the original bill. i understand that there is more out there, but the federal reserve has already provided half a trillion dollars for a facility to buy short-term municipal debt from states and municipalities. maybe the fed does something with longer term debt. there's a lot of help that's already been there for the states. >> harris: as bret was pointing out, whatever we would see going forward, if it were to happen in the form of further relief, would be enormous. based on those numbers you told us, that is certainly the case. >> bret: quickly -- >> harris: the journalists have gone into the white house now, and they are set up in there. the president, we know, is getting ready to sign phase 3.5, this $484 billion relief bill. as he's doing that, we are already some notes coming out of the reporting crews that are there. for instance, $30 billion set aside for minority owned businesses, "people in this

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>> melissa: growing questions now, where the u.s. stands in terms of coronavirus testing. president trump publicly splitting with dr. anthony fauci after the top infectious disease expert said our screening is not where it should be. watch this. >> we absolutely need to significantly ramp up not only the number of tests but the capacity to actually perform them. >> i don't agree on that. i think you're doing a great job. if he said that, i don't agree with him. >> melissa: bret, this tension

never surprises me. if we let doctors run things, would be inside doing jumping jacks, and never have chocolate or wine again. and ever recommend that you take any sort of risk. this is, to me, the tension between being very cautious on the medical side and then the business side, that you can't run an economy like that. what's your take? >> bret: i do think the president is pushing back on the thought that testing is not ramping up, not going. they are doing a number of different things. testing is a tough question for this president from the beginning. it has kind of evolved. just last week, the u.s. air force, for example, signed a contract with these companies from california. they are scientists and special operators, they set up a lab here in d.c. that is now up and running as of this weekend. they are going do 50,000 tests a

day. this is an oral saliva-based test. 50,000 tests per day at the beginning, and they plan to have ten labs throughout the country that will do 500,000 tests a day. according to the company, they can rapidly scale because it's different, it's not a swab test, it's an oral fluid test. the point being is that the government overall is doing a number of things. there's a number of different companies fighting to be the test. this is one of them, cuff and curative. there are others that are trying to be the tests. that is the way that these states will make the determination if broadly they are meeting the next phase to get out. >> melissa: dr. nesheiwat, what do you think of that? >> being on the front lines and taking care of coronavirus patients, they are certainly making progress. but there's always room for improvement. two weeks ago i tested to the criteria that i could only swab

patients who had fever or low oxygen levels or had lung disease or heart disease. they had to meet certain criteria. now i can swab whoever i feel needs to be swabbed. i don't have to swab only patients who meet that criteria. we definitely have a lot more testing, but there's a finale room for improvement. we have to get to the point where we can test those who are asymptomatic, so we can look for outbreaks in the community. >> melissa: take a look at this graph. it is showing the number of coronavirus tests per capita by country. the red line is the united states. as you can see, it is just above that white line, which is the average among the top 40 reporting countries with the highest numbers of covid-19 cases. dagen, we would like to test every single person before we let anybody go back outside. but there will be nothing left to get back to if we don't let some people go back to work. this tension between these two sides, i don't see it resolving.

>> dagen: they don't want to just anybody, and that's not the goal. big employers and small have no expectation that they are going to test every one of their employees, not even a large sample of them, before we go back to work. it was back to what i was saying earlier. when you are looking at the percentage of testing given, that are returning a positive, that's what you want to look for. because over 20% suggest that there are a lot of people out there in the population not being tested, or positive for covid-19. below that -- excuse me -- you want to look for 10% before you want to get back to work. united states is at 20%, which suggests there are a lot of people out there who are being missed in these testing. that's one of the things you look at. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: i'm wondering, dr. nesheiwat, if we haven't gotten to a point now where it's less about who has it and who doesn't and more about who has

had it and who hasn't. hence the antibody testing. i know that we can talk about doing a side-by-side, we can handle it simultaneously. i haven't seen that yet. i am thirsty for that. that actually speaks to who is out there, can they help the rest of us, can help themselves? are they likely to get something that will hurt them because they've had it? talk about finding a symptomatically will to test, i think dagen has got a good point. that shouldn't necessarily be the total goal to test everybo everybody. we aren't going to catch up. it just doesn't seem like we are capable of doing that. should we shift? >> we are going to start testing a symptomatic patient so they can have clearance to go back to the work. we're almost at that point. at my work facility, for example. but we need to extrapolate all this data. we know that this virus has a very high transmissibility. if we can extrapolate all the status, what we see in that

small town in california, they want to test everyone to see who has had it, who currently has it, who has had a past infection. >> harris: right, that's a hot spot. >> we can take that data and assess, if they are in inherent risks the community or if they can reengage into the community. we do that with antibody testing, swab testing, saliva testing. he can give us a lot of information, especially where we can focus on places such as nursing homes, those who are in underserved populations, individualistindigenous populat. dagen's right, we don't want to immediately swab and test everybody, but we want to be able to look and surveilled places where we have potential outbreaks. >> harris: i guess i'm focused on the recovered, and you are looking for those who are still at risk or risky. i think we can do both, that's what i'm asking. >> dagen: can i add something anecdotally really quickly? there are hospitals that don't have the capability of antibody

testing of even their employees. a friend of mine contracted covid-19 here in new york city, almost died from it, was in icu with double pneumonia. he got it in late january. he still cannot get -- again, the disease, the virus was here we earlier, we know that. but he still can't get an antibody test. we are really far behind. >> dr. nesheiwat: and you want to make sure those tests we eventually will have have good sensitivity and specificity. how accurate are they? you don't want to be giving false negatives to patients. that's another reason why they were such a lag in these amount of tests that we desperately need. >> bret: that's what i was going to mention, that the fda has already come out and said there are warnings about some of these antibody tests. you have to make sure they don't give false positives. that's the worst thing that could happen. >> harris: right. >> melissa: yeah. all right, we are awaiting remarks from president trump as he signs that phase 3.5 coronavirus stimulus package. we will bring you that when we get it. plus, a new study claims china

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>> harris: and becoming with breaking news from inside the white house. we hope to show you this momentarily, lives, as it's rolling out. but i want to let you know what's going on. the president and the vice president and representative steve scalise are taking questions. there's a long list of people who are there, as the president's signing that $484 billion relief bill. phase 3.5, as we've been calling it.

but the president, seated at his desk, with officials behind him, we are told. now, taking questions. he says we are making thousands and thousands of ventilators, and excess ventilators allow for donation to other countries now. so he says honduras and their president had reached out to him and called what is happening in that country a "quagmire over testing," and needed help. he said they are looking to help out. the vice president chiming in as well about some 80,000 tests a month ago and remarks about that. another couple of points to mention, while we sit by for this. the president talked about work on the border wall, that a country has have borders, he says. "you don't have borders if you have people pouring in by the tens of thousands." so this is broadly a conversation beyond the signing of this bill, but then it comes back to that. talks about small businesses. we are monitoring this as it becomes available, for all of us to watch it together.

we will bring it to you right there on fox. meanwhile, a new study by researchers at the university of hong kong is suggesting china may have twice as many covid-19 cases as officials reported. china reported approximately 55,000 infections at the height of its first wave in late february. then the study finds the actual number might be closer to 230,000. here's one of the earliest critics of china's handling of the pandemic, senator tom cotton. >> there is no way their numbers are accurate. in fact, their numbers have had a very significant effect in spreading this virus around the world. if china had been up front from the very beginning and had honesty about the number of cases in icu hospitalizations and deaths, the rest of the world might have had its door up early. >> harris: no covid-19 deaths from the ninth straight day, and six new cases of the virus in

24 hours. bret, a cup to you on a couple lanes here. what we are still waiting to learn about how this all began, and when they knew what they knew, and if that wuhan's laboratory was at the center of all this. that's the side-by-side. now we have more information that doesn't jive with what we've been told. they said the reason that numbers were off was because china was releasing different benchmarks that couldn't define what a covid-19 case was early on. that's why we have four times more than number than what we've been told. >> listen, there is a lot of skepticism across multiple agencies. there is almost unanimous decision that china covered up once the outbreak came out. what there is not unanimous about is exactly the origins of it. there's a lot of data points pointing to those labs. not just wuhan, but other labs, right there. the bottom line is the number

is, they've already adjusted several times. it does not track with just the open source stuff, including the funeral homes and the urns and the bodies that are burned in wuhan that u.s. intelligence looks at. it just doesn't match up. so you have senator cotton and many others speaking out about the early days, and the extent to which china went to cover up the outbreak at the beginning. >> harris: you know, dr. nesheiwat, we are talking previously about how much earlier cases might have started in the united states. so, we are also looking at when they really started in china. how helpful is it to know the number now has ballooned above 232,000, potentially, if it's four times what they originally told us? >> dr. nesheiwat: sure. i think it's useful information. i'm not surprised at all. i think the number is ten times higher than originally reported.

to bret's point, the skepticism, there is the lack of transparency. but it's because they weren't recording in a proper method? what tools were they using to report positive cases? x-rays, swabs, cts? where they going back after identifying someone who died of corona, or maybe someone who died of a heart attack or stroke? did they truly die from heart attack or stroke or was it a covid-induced stroke or heart attack can make multifactorial, different variables to look at. i think it is useful information for us to take into consideration, that our numbers, i think, are also a lot higher than what's being reported. weird is not able to expand the testing as much as we can right now. >> harris: doctor, indulge me a little bit here. you among us are the only person who has actually treated covid-19 patients. you know what it's like to treat really sick people with this. can you imagine, for the chinese people, if they weren't honest

or accurate about how to even locate or find a coronavirus case, can you imagine the level of suffering potentially? that ground zero stage of this virus, in the early days and weeks, for covid patients? >> dr. nesheiwat: imagine how many lives could have been saved if they are open and honest and transparent with us from day one. if we knew people were traveling from asia to jfk, to l.a. during this time, especially during the chinese new year, i believe thousands more lives could have been saved. we have to be open and honest and transparent when it comes to the health and safety of people. we know they are still holding back information. gives have an incredible world health organization to ensure the safety of all nations and americans, especially. >> harris: come clean.

it might not be as clean as we wanted to become of this information. dagen, you and i have talked previously about decoupling with china. if, in fact, they were vacuuming a protective agreement early on in all of this, making it harder for the world to even prepare and save its own people, as they were hoarding materials, reportedly. that in itself might be a reason to take a look, do we really want most of our pharmaceutical ingredients made over there? can we start to pull away from having everything manufactured that we do right now made in that country? what is realistic? >> dagen: certainly a lot of the elements of our health care system, the supplies, the 80% of active ingredients and pharmaceuticals. that is going to be one of the most critical things that we bring back onto u.s. shores. i will point out, the united states, our state department sent -- and bret can correct me -- i think

it was 18 tons of ppe, it was donated. but the state department facilitated sending 18 tons of ppe in china in early february. again, that is also the lying that was going on, or the lack of truthfulness by china. there was a study, dr. nesheiwat pointed out how many lives could have been saved, there was a study out of university of southampton that said the number of cases could have been cut by 90% of china had moved to contain the virus three weeks earlier. >> harris: wow. all disturbing, and hopefully we'll get to the truth. right now we are waiting to get to the president inside the white house, as he signs that $484 billion phase 3.5 coronavirus stimulus bill. as that happens, we will take you there live. stay with us right here on "outnumbered."

>> melissa: a new study indicating many more new yorkers may have had the coronavirus and the number of confirmed by lab tests. governor andrew cuomo says a statewide survey of about 3,000 randomly selected people found roughly one in five

new york city residents tested positive for antibodies to covid-19. the number was about 14% nationwide. that is roughly 2 million more cases across the empire state. dr. nesheiwat, i will start with you. what are your thoughts on this? >> dr. nesheiwat: not surprised at all. i think that's great, that he is conducting this study to see where we are, to look for prevalence of this virus in the community. that is the information we need to use to fight against early outbreaks, to see where we should put the resources, the tools. for example, we know most of the deaths that are occurring are nursing homes. that should be our number one priority. nursing homes, health care workers, people on the front lines, and those in underserved populations. for example, here in the bronx, in queens, a lot of my patience, african-americans, hispanic, they are the ones dying at higher rates. this is good information to have. we need to keep doing these studies. in the long run, it can help save lives and tackle those early outbreaks.

>> melissa: bret, we know the president is in right now and he's also taking questions. this is coming out about those comments that he made last night about injections of disinfectant. he said he was being sarcastic, by posing a question to reporters. experts to look into it. he was simply asking a sarcastic question. what is your thought on that? >> bret: well, that's not how it looked in the briefing, and not how it came across in the briefing. what is problematic for this president is that sometimes he goes on these riffs. when you're dealing with medical things, statements, when you are riffing from a podium, sometimes that works great on other topics. when politics comes into play. when riffing about possible cures or treatments, it didn't seem like it was coming off as

sarcastic when he was talking and turning to dr. birx on the side. obviously, this spurred all kinds of coverage. it's buried a statement by lysol not to inject its products. it spurred the fda to point out something, as well. obviously, this is his answer to all of that criticism. but the president does get himself into these issues. i don't think he wants to cause any harm to anyone, obviously, and no one at home thinks, "you know what? i'm going to go drink bleach." i don't think. but it is something that he clearly stepped in, here. >> melissa: a distraction. all right, more "outnumbered" in just a moment. we'll be right back. with the financial strength, stability, and online tools you need. and now it's no different. because helping you through this crisis is what we're made for.

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