we'll see you ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for a month and a half, life in this country grew increasingly restricted. those restrictions were based on numbers produced months ago.o. but as the days of b gone by, nw numbers have come in and told a totally different story. new studies indicate the coronavirus spreads far more widely than anyone imagined, and at the same time is also much less deadly than we thought. in response to this new science, one state has taken decisive steps to reopen normal life. and taken some criticism for it. fox news cheap breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has more on this and related stories. hey, trace. t >> the number of total cases in

the u.s. is moving closer to the 1 million mark with 916,000 confirmed cases, more than 51,000 people have died from covid-19 in the u.s. though the toll today is down fairly significantly from yesterday. meantime, we have another antibody study, this time from miami-dade county in florida, it mirrors the study showing that about 6% of the population, or 165,000 miami-dade residents have already had coronavirus. that is 16 times the number of confirmed cases. and, like california and new york, it puts the fatalityty rate at about 0.1%. drastically lower than previous estimates.ut the state of georgia slowly reopening, the streets remain relatively quiet, but some nonessential businesses, like nail salons and barbershops have reopened. and if there was a question about customers coming back, listen to this barber. >> that's what i've been doing

since 6:00 this'v morning. i walked in at six and i started cutting here, this is theni firt time i have slowed down. >> at one nail salon, women waited in line two hours. it's notable that businesses in less affluent areas are opening faster than affluent areas.se meantime, a lot of people in wisconsin would like to see their state reopen. today, outside the capitol building in wisconsin, hundreds protested the safer at home mandate saying that governor tony evers is threatening their financial stability and civil rights. though others support the mandate, calling for safety first. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks so much for that. from early on in this crisis, we took the virus seriously, but we doubted that chinese-style lockdowns were a response by the chinese coronavirus. even if they worked as advertised, and you just heard there is no overwhelming evidence that they don't work as advertised, despite what politicians continue to say, mass quarantines under the best

circumstances are really just a stopgap. the only way to tame a virus like this is with science. a single effective treatment would make all the difference, right away. you wouldn't have to cure every sick patient, but if you could cure a significant number of sick patients and lower the death rate, this would be a completely different country. hope would return. fear would recede. we could begin to regard this as a manageable illness as we do so many other illnesses. more than 600,000 americans died from cancer this year, that is a tragic number. you doubtless know some. but we accept it, and we live our lives briefly in the face of it in part because cancer, horrible as it is, isn't very mysterious anymore. there are treatments for it. those treatments sadly don't always work, but they worked often enough that we can live without panic. it's been obvious from day one that the main goal here has got to be finding effective treatments for the virus, that's obvious and most people understand it intuitively.

the president does. he uses his daily press briefings to tout treatments. one of the first off label drugs that doctors around the world used to treat the coronavirus was a medicine called hydroxychloroquine. hydroxychloroquine is a cheap, decades-old medicine long recognized as a therapeutic for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases. it was originally an antimalaria drug. if you travel to the third world, it is entirely possible you have already taken this drug.ou early evidence suggested that it might be promising. physicians in the hardest hit countries, spain and italy, reported that it was their preferred treatment for the coronavirus. the president count of the drug is a promising lead. and that was it for hydroxychloroquine. from that moment on, precisely that moment, in the minds of partisan in our media establishment, hydroxychloroquine was purely a political issue. the drug was no longer a medicine, a therapy, it was the medical equivalent of vladimir putin.

it was a cudgel they could swing in the air mindlessly to hit their ideological opponents in the hope of political game. they ignored evidence that it might be effective in some ways, they waited anxiously for evidence that it might not be. the other day they got it. several recent studies suggest that hydroxychloroquine is unlikely to help people who are already severely ill with the coronavirus. for most americans, this was disappointing news. adey wanted it to work.ve but at cnn, it was cause for celebration. the network produced a video for its website tallying up every time the president had mentioned hydroxychloroquine. >> a drug called hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine. chloroquine. hydroxychloroquine. chloroquine. chloroquine. hydroxychloroquine. the hydroxychloroquine. hydroxychloroquine. hydroxychloroquine. a lot of good things are happening with it, a lot of good tests. >> tucker: over at "the washington post," which so often seem to work in tandemd

with cnn, a person called philip bump produced a 3,000 word long timeline looking at the rise and fall of trump's obsession with hydroxychloroquine. it was yet another exercise in deep irony. bump himself obsessively chronicled every time the president so much as retweeted a mention of the drug. bump logged the precise number of times that hydroxychloroquine was mentioned on this channel and on fox business. paging dr. freud. it's possible that mr. bump may be exhibiting symptoms of obsession. earlier this week, bump wrote yet another article on the same topic, and i did that the same topic, and ended that piece with the suggestion of a sinister conspiracy at work. "why promote that drug and why so energetically?" and he let the question hang in the air. philip bump doesn't believe in human optimism, he always

assumes a secret agenda. but as usual, this was pure projection. what the creeps in big media accuses you of doing every single time, they are fervently doing themselves. they're the one's obsessed with hydroxychloroquine. most people just want a drug that works. they're the ones with a weird unspoken agenda, obvious and yet hidden. most people in this country just want a drug that works, in factw i in some circumstances, this drug may work. hydroxychloroquine is still being used to treat coronavirus patients. dozens of studies of its effectiveness are now in progress, still at this hour. many doctors believe it can help if used early or in mild cases of the disease. the va secretary recently said as much. >> president trump has touted this, but it is linked to higher rates of death in the va. coronavirus-related. can you elaborate, what is going on with this drug? >> sure, that's an observational study not a clinical study. it was done on a small number of veterans.

sadly, those of whom were in the last stages of life. and the drug was given to them, and i have to also say that the drug, we know the drug has been working on middle age and younger veterans. >> tucker: oh, so correlation is not causation. these are deep waters. many people on television are not prepared, they are not wearing their swimsuits. in real life, we are getting mixed results. we need to know more. this is how science actually works. it's why we still haven't cured cancer, despite decades of working on it. but we have prolonged the lives of cancer patients significantly, that's a victory. these are the kinds of victories you get in this business, real science ishe complicated. and difficult, and almost always incremental. the party of science no longer understands that because they left science a long time ago, karen winston is a democratic lawmaker in the state of michigan, she believes she was suffering from coronavirus and

steadily getting worse until she received hydroxychloroquine from herr physician. then she recovered. she came on the show to reclaim what happened, as she cleaned ir what happened, as she explained it, she gave some credit to a president she did not vote for. >> after a while, it did save my life and i did credit the president for doing so. in putting this out there, it wasn't accessible before that. i had very little time to be able to get to this and be able to make improvements, my breathing did become very labored. >> tucker: you so i woman who at bare minimum went through a harrowing experience and escaped with her life, we should celebrate but not everybody is.w they didn't congratulate her for surviving, they punished her for violating party orthodox. representative winston joins us

tonight again along with her physician, welcome to you both. to you first, it's hard to believe this is true. why would the democratic party expel you? >> thank you for having me on again, i really appreciate it. why they would expel me, why they would expel me is beyond words for me. this is something that i did not expect. i started out with a simple thank you to the man that is the president of the united states. it's a thank you, i didn't know that "thank you" had a political line. i didn't know "thank you" belonged to one political party over another, and that if you're in one party you cannot say thank you to another person. i had no idea. >> tucker: do you think that the fact that you credited not simply the president but this medicine, hydroxychloroquine, offended them more?

>> oh, i think it all correlated together, i think it was just me as a state representative that i was out of line, according to possibly our governor. taking myself and going to the white house to speak with the president of the united states, i think it was a kind of how dare you, because the person who is in charge of the 13th congressional district actually works for our governor. >> tucker: we followed your governor fairly closely recently, i want to apologize. let me just ask: did the governor call you and say i'm so glad you didn't die? welcome back to the living, congratulations? >> actually, it was not as pleasant as that. and the text messages that we have had since then have not been as pleasant, as well. i'm not going to stand by and be quiet, nor will i be silent by anyone when it comes to the people in my community. i don't care who it is.

if you're not doing right by us, if you're not doing right by black people within our community, i'm going to stand up and i don't care who it is. i'm going to stand up against you, i'm going to speak out, and right now, i'm speaking for the people who can't speak for themselves. that is my job, that is my responsibility, that is my duty, that's what i'm sworn to do. and i don't care who it is, i will go up against anyone any day.i i >> tucker: i hope gretchen whitmer is listening tonight. >> i hope she is, too. because the fact that she cannot work with the president of the united states, donald trump wants to work with us. he wants to give us the things that w we need. and i've had the conversations with him, so i know firsthand, i have had conversations with the vice president pence, as well. so i know firsthand, i've had the experience so i know. i know the shock-and-awe on their face when they heard thatl we were not getting the things that we needed and deserved in the city of detroit.

so, only thing i can say is >> tucker: i'm sorry, go ahead. >> the only thing i can do is throw my hands up, the fact that this would come down from the 13th congressional district, he runs the 13th congressional would actually do this to me is unbelievable.13tr for someone as myself, who is simply trying to stand up for the voiceless, it's unbelievable. >> tucker: it is unbelievable. i just want to get your physician in here really quickly, doctor, do still credit hydroxychloroquine for helping to save your patient? >> yes, tucker it's good to beui on your show again. absolutely, since i've treated karen, i have also treated a few lyother patients. as i said, again, there are cardiac toxicity associated with

that, but right now, the scientists behind this medicine right now in an inpatient setting as long as we can monitor the heart, people are using using it. the outpatient use, even the fda has recommended you can use it based only based on the physician and patient interaction.n. that means in my case, whenever i have used it i have used it on 16 other patients and it has worked because we don't have any real medicine to treat the covid virus infection. right now, there is a huge stude going on in michigan, even on healthy individuals, they are trying to do a study to see if you take hydroxychloroquine, can it prevent this disease? so, let's not fight, politics aside, i think the most important thing is we have to bring science. we have to do everything in our toolbox to help each other out. i think the most important thing we have to do is understand that thista virus is new, it's taking lives, it's devastated our

economy, and we have to do something to come together. to do the best care possible, tucker. this is absolutely very important. >> tucker: doctor, thank you. representative, thank you. you should know that at msnbc right now, they are effectively scolding you for using this drug. we have a bit of good news tonight. sorry to cut you off there, doctor. it turns out the coronavirus is not an std. fox medical contributor marc siegel has more on that as well as new york's massive new antibody study. he joins us now. hey, doctor. >> hi tucker, there is a new study out in a journal called "fertility and sterility," looking at 34 chinese men and discovering that one month after they had the coronavirus, there was none of the virus to be found in sperm and semen. before anyone gets too excited about this, let's consider with all the asymptomatic spread of this virus what are the chances that you can actually follow

social distancing under those circumstances? speaking of asymptomatic spread, the second thing i want to talk about tonight is all of these surveillance studies that are coming out. we talked about california yesterday, 4% in l.a. county being positive for covid-19 antibodies, new york city 21% and now in miami, it's up to 6%. to give you an idea what thoseo numbers mean, for 10,000 diagnosed cases in miami-dade county, there's about 180,000 people out there that probably, have had asymptomatic spread and don't know it by these figures. third story tonight is taking place in michigan, where you were just talking to the last guest. medical has issues because they have been giving high dose vitamin c to covid-19 patients.g i want to tell you what i think about that. we're talking about treatments,

proven and unproven. vitamin c has been used a couple years ago in studies for use in severe sepsis, life-threatening infections, pneumonias, it has never been studied for covid-19. never been studied for this virus, i am not endorsing it, i am not recommending it, and i an not thinking that it's a very good idea to be giving it. tucker. >> tucker: thank you, doctor. as a nonphysician, the idea that the fbi would stage a raid on a hospital and start arresting people because they don't like a treatment is insane. we have been told for decades that medical decisions are between patients and physicians, and now the fbi is staging a raid on a hospital because they disagree with the therapy for coronavirus, as if they know better. it's outrageous. whether it's the right treatment or the wrong treatment, you don't want that happening in your country.re we should be worried about that. well, up next, newly released evidence from decades ago is lending new support to tara reade's allegations against joe biden. we've got details on that from a reporter, plus will talk to the

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woman reade tells reporters is her mother. watch this. >> san luis obispo, california, hello. >> hello, i'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in washington. my daughter has just left there after working for a prominentnt senator and could not get through with her problems at all. the only thing she could have done was go to the press and she chose not to do it out of respect for him. >> she had a story to tell, but out of respect for the person h she worked for she didn't tell it. >> that's true. >> tucker: huh. that's fascinating. rich mccue is a longtime reporter who has been on this story and a lot of big stories, he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on tonight. just lay out the facts as we know them and the allegations. if you would. >> sure. so, tara reade worked for

joe biden in 1992 and '93 for about eight months, she said at the time she faced sexual harassment from him, and unwanted touching, and she had complained about it, and it fell on deaf ears. she said she went in and filed a complaint outside of his office, some senatorial office that would handle these things. around that same time, she says she was asked to deliver him a gym bag in one of the senate buildings, and she brought it to him, and she says it was a warm spring day, a hot spring day, she said that he attacked her in a corridor. it wasn't a private office or anything, but attacked her and assaulted her. sexually assaulted her. she came forward, she may have

told some others, she came out last year and told part of her story to a local paper in california. and a few weeks ago, she came out with her full allegation. an article and podcast, and since then, everybody has been examining the veracity of her claims. >> tucker: let me just clarify something. all of this is kind of a miss-mash when you talk about sexual assault and sexual harassment, she is not adjusting he said something vulgar, she's saying he grabbed her genitals, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> tucker: okay, so that puts it in a different category than a lot of the stories we see here. hear. tell us about this call to larry king, where did that clip come from?

>> she told me about this, in the process of reporting this you're always trying to figure out how to kill a story. if you can kill it, then you don't do it. i was always trying to track down this clip. without working at cnn, i couldn't go in there.an today, an enterprising phd student, a woman, sent a note to myself and to ryan grimm, saying hey, i think i found it. and i think ryan responded to her quicker than i did, and so we got this moment this afternoon where we both realized there was this video found. and he published it, we actually talked, but he published the story. the rest is history. >> tucker: that's amazing. a decade before youtube, so it's not so easy to find cable news clips from 1993.

rich mccue, thank you for the update. i appreciate it. good to see you tonight. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me on. >> tucker: mollie hemingway is a senior editor at "the federalist," she is author of the book "justice on trial" about the brett kavanaugh confirmation trial. she has been following this story since the beginning, she joins us tonight to assess. what do you make of this clip, what do you make of this story? >> what i find interesting about this is when we went through something somewhat similar a couple of years ago with allegations made against brett kavanaugh, there was no evidence in support of the allegation and yet it became a media firestorm. the primary allegation from christine blasey ford, she named four witnesses. none of them backed her up, some of them strongly disputed it. she waited many, many decades to begin telling a story that over time became the allegation that was put forth. she had no evidence that she had ever met brette kavanaugh.

you compare that with a story that we have here, nobody is disputing that tara reade worked for joe biden and we already have evidence that she claims she had told three people, two of whom are still living and said she did tell them at the time of the allegation. and you couldn't really have better evidence that the third person, her mother was told of the allegation that her going and calling larry king to complain about the situation. joe biden deserves every presumption of innocence that any other man should have, but when you look at it from a medie angle, there is no excuse for the media doing what they did to brett kavanaugh and then working so hard to bury this story with the exception of a few reporters like the one you just talked to and a few others.w >> tucker: that's right. who's on the left? ryan grimm is not conservative, to put it mildly but it honest person. there have been a few on the bernie sanders side of the party who are trying to keep this story in the news, i would say principled people on the left. do you think this will get

answers from the former vice president? >> well, he should have been asked about this quite a few times? already. as should have his supporters. again, if our media were wanting to be handling this in any way remotely consistent. they did so much with brett kavanaugh to attack anyone who supported him, to destroy his life.h i don't think joe biden has been asked anything, personally, he has issued a statement to a spokesperson. that is nothing near what they did to brett kavanaugh. and if they have suddenly decided that presumption of innocence is important and these allegations are too old or they don't think tara reade can prove them, in any case, they need p o say something about why they had such a different posture toward brett kavanaugh. as such, we have had "new york times" and "washington post" people come out and admit that they have completely opposite takes on this than they did with the previous situation, but not in any convincing way. it's really something, they think people are going to forget

what they did to brett kavanaugh. people will not be forgetting it. >> tucker: yeah, or they are just partisan lemmings. i think the #metoo movement heard an awful lot of people, they think it went too far with no evidence.e. but that doesn't mean things like this don't happen, of course they do happen and should be punished. i appreciate you coming on tonight. mollie hemingway, thank you. most of the country was stuck indoors by government order, one cnn anchor broke quarantine to pick a fight with a bicycle rider whom he called a "jackass." the other night, we asked about rider to contact us if he cared to come on our show. he did. he joins us next. ♪ when we started our business

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uss roosevelt, relieved of authority after reporting to authorities about the cobit outbreak. the man who fired him resigned, apologizing for his actions. i'm ashley strohmeyer. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." ♪ >> tucker: well, after he tested positive for the coronavirus which was a scary moment, and we sent our somebody at the time, cnn's chris cuomo started broadcasting his show from his basement. from his basement, he delivered firm orders to all americans to stay home, no matter what. >> while most americans are staying inside, or should be, is they're not out protesting like fools, they are not happy about being told to stay home. staying home saves lives. and the rest of us should be staying at home for our mothers and the people that we love, to keep us farther apart will ultimately bring usp closer together. no matter where the virus goes. the way to stop it will always

be the same. our collective conscientious actions, staying home. >> tucker: hey, scamper back to your hovels. go inside, do you hear me? at that exact moment, while chris cuomo was demanding that america go inside and get back to their own homes, he wasn't taking the same advice. it turns out, at that moment, he was breaking quarantine himself despite, as we said, being positive for the coronavirus. one day, he was spotted by a passing bicyclist who got into a tiff with him. cuomo attacked the man later. listen.ho >> i don't want some loser, fat tire biker to be able to pull, over and get in my face and in my space. i don't want to hear it.

>> tucker: david whalen is the jackass, loser, fat tire biker in question, the cyclist chris cuomo tingled with. cuomo tangled with. he joins us tonight with his side of the story. i don't think i've ever had one on the show, we're happy to start tonight. thanks so much for coming on. tell us about your exchange with mr. cuomo. >> well, you know, first, i'd like to say i probably could beat him in a bike race,a even though he's a lot older than me, i mean younger than me. besides that, the important thing is it was easter sunday, evening, it was chilly and cold. i grew up about a thousand feet from where he is building his new house, which is nothing but a steel frame. and i did a ride, and i go by,

down a trail that runs past where his new structure is being built, and there's a bunch of people there. i've been riding for 7 or 8 miles, take a little break and just walking. and a woman says may i help you, i said, no, i'm just walking. and she starts walking out, a little closer, and they're pretty far away. i have very good eyes, and chris cuomo turns around and i'm like holy smokes, it's chris cuomo. i'm fairly outspoken, i just said, don't you have the coronavirus? c shouldn't you be quarantined? i think his next words were what the hell do you know about this? what do you know about the rules?th he continued to come closer and

closer, and i would like to say he's like a boiling pot, you could see his head getting more and more angry. and i said, so are you gonna lose your temper like you did on the guy at shelter island? so, you know, basically, i just said you have coronavirus, what are you doing out here? home. supposed to be and i had not heard what you just played about his quotes about how he was telling people to act. i see his show occasionally, and

then, at one point, i said, i'm moving on. i said you're not supposed to be out here, nobody had gloves on,a nobody had masks on, there was three children, young adolescents, and i believe hisn, wife, i'm pretty sure i have eeen pictures now. and then there was a third adult. so, you know, they're out there. they probably have cabin fever like everybody in this situation has, you know? and maybe if they had said we have masks, we just drove out here, they don't live there. okay? it's a steel structure.ve

i kind of understand, i would have just moved on. but he told me he was going to meet me, and he goes you will meet me over this, you will meet me again over this. at that point, he's now getting about 40 feet away. >> tucker: he was in full roid rage at this point, he sounds almost dangerous. i have to ask you, have you been tested? because you came in contact with ann infected person who was within 6 feet of you? >> you know what? us normal human beings, we don't get to get tested. which is one of the crazier things about this whole thing. you know, if you're wealthy, if you have a lot of clout and this

and that, you can go get tested. but for most normal people, you can't get tested. g i do practice -- i made my own mask weeks ago. i hit it with alcohol every day. i have one part-time employee, i don't let him within 10 feet of me. p and, you know, my daughter is a doctor at johns hopkins, i get lectured by her, you know, forever.r. you know, and i yell at people when i see, you know, them breaking the social distancing. >> tucker: i can see why, the last thing you need is to get infected by a cnn anchor who calls you a jackass loser, which, by the way, i don't think you are after this conversation, i think you have a really good point. i appreciate you coming on tonight, i hope you're not sick. thank you.ciou

>> i, you know, i backed away, they didn't get within 6 feet of me. but they started getting closeri and i said you know something, i wasn't trying to antagonize the guy. it was real simple. what the hell are you doing out here? you know, you're on tv every night. >> tucker: i think you are wise, i would back away too. david, thank you for coming on. i really appreciate it. good to see you. >> you're c welcome. >> tucker: well, chris cuomo's brother runs the state ofr: new york and has ordered nursing homes to admit coronavirus patients. a how exact he has that worked out? t our next guest has followed that carefully, and he says thate order from chris cuomo's brother, has had lethal consequences for the elderly in the state of new york. he's got the numbers, stay tuned.

♪ >> tucker: the main reason the death toll from the coronavirus is so high is because it's extremely dangerous to elderly people with pre-existing health conditions who catch it. so protecting this population from infection is likely the single most important way to keep the death toll down. it's also a moral imperative. we should be doing it. in new york though, governor andrew cuomo's administration says that nursing homes are legally required to readmit residents who have tested positive for the coronavirus. cuomo's team simply promises that necessary precautions will ibbe taken to stop the virus's spread. it's not clear what they mean by that. michael goodwin is a "new york post" columnist, how has this worked this policy? what is the effect been?ol >> we've known all along that

the elderly, especially those with other health issues, where the most vulnerable to coronavirus, and many of these nursing homes were testing their staff, taking temperatures every day, don't forget they banned visitors with so family couldn't come. then, all of ail sudden come on march 25th, without warning or any consultation with any of the nursing or rehabilitation homes in the state, the governor's health department issues in order that they cannot deny admittance or re-admittance to any coronavirus patient. they can't even ask if they've been tested. so, what that means is overnig overnight, they have to begin accepting these patients without any preparation, without proper equipment, without any training. no wait, and many of these places, to segregate coronavirur residents or people angry rehabilitation stance. this whole thing has been thrust on them out of the blue.

in new york, roughly -- more than 3500 people have died in nursing and rehabilitation homes. which is about 35% of the total, and everybody agrees that this is an undercount, not all of it has been tallied. the state, to answer to this, when cuomo was first asked about it, he said i don't know anything about it. now he's defending it forceful forcefully, and he says he will investigate the nursing homes, to see why so many people have died. he's talked about removing their licenses. and as you can imagine, the owners of these places are just yeside themselves. i mean, they are mourning the loss of many of their longtime residents. some lost 30, 40 people. many of the coronavirus patients who came were already improving, but they still were contagious. and so, it was the residents who were already there who suffered by the most part, including some

t,staff members. so, we don't know how many of these people died, specifically, because of this order, but we certainly know it's more than 0, and for the governor to say we are going to investigate you, we may have to take away your license, it's unconscionable. >> tucker: they won't allow the facilities to ask if people have been tested. this is what happens when ideologues make policy, and it's scary. bless you fors bringing this to public attention, which you did. i appreciate that. michael goodman, good to see you. >> think you. >> tucker: it turns out one of the best things you can do to protect yourselfpr from coronavirus is get into nature. fresh air, sunlight, less dense. parks may be closed -- tragically, they are in many places -- but the bureau of land management is keeping america's wilderness open for you.ir the man who directs it will tell you where you can go this weekend. that's after the break.

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♪ >> tucker: millions of americans have been afraid to even go outside for the past month. many are under orders not to, but sunlight and physical exercise, it turns out, are crucial to staying healthy. the bureau of land management manages hundreds of millions of acres of public land and while you might be surprised to hear it, a lot of that land is still open. william perry pendley runs the bureau of land management, he joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on.

tell us -- we've got a prettyre spring weekend approaching. people out west are familiar, i think but for everyone else, tell us where they can go on land. >> tucker, thanks a lot. they can go practically anywhere. the bureau of land management runs 245 million acres of land primarily in the 11 western states and alaska, and it's all accessible. we may have closed our visitors centers, but once you get past the parking lot, once you get past the restaurants, once you get past the trailhead, you're in the middle of wide open spaces. we have beautiful vistas, we have beautiful hiking trails, 135 miles of rivers and streams that you, tucker, good fish on with your fly-fishing. >> tucker: oh, yes. >> we've got remarkable trails. here in our headquarters in colorado we have our national conservation area and this side of utah they have some of the best arches in the world.

just a beautiful, magnificent country and you can get out and enjoy it, enjoy the sunlight, getting some exercise. that's one of the road tours, you can decompress, you can revitalize, you can get away from things and breathe fresh air, and it's all acceptable to the american people. you know, the public land belongs to the american people and president trump and secretary bernhardt have made it clear, it's open to the american people for their enjoyment. and we hope they will come up. >> tucker: pick up a fly ride while you are at it. it's medicine. for people who want to do that, where can viewers find out where the nearest blm track is to them? is there a place they can --he >> absolutely. just key in on your internet search, key in blm. we've got it broken down by state.

you can break it down on conservation areas, wilderness areas, monument. we have working landscapes, tucker. i don't want to pass up on that. we have employment opportunities there for oil and gas, for solar power. we preserve monuments, wild rivers and wilderness areas but also we have vast recreational opportunities. our people, most of our people are teleworking. big surprise. the president has asked us to telework. most of us are doing that. but we have a number of people out there getting ready with mission-critical activities. our firefighters are out there getting ready.e >> tucker: good. >> they are doing prescribed burns. we are ready for fire season,ie were going to cross state lines, were going to be there when the people need us. we have law enforcement officers out there. we have 200 rangers and 70 special agents.. they are out there protecting the land and the public. >> tucker: it is great to hear that. mr. pendley, thank you.

it is blm.gov. getting outside and being with the ones you love.. that will make you better. physically, spiritually. that's o it. mike huckabee in for sean tonight. have the best weekend. ♪ >> mike: welcome to this special edition of "hannity." covid-19, the impact on america. i'm mike huckabee in tonight for sean. " over the hour we are going to show you how this global pandemic is not just a deadly virus, but also a very serious threat to our very way of life. earlier tonight, president trump and held another task force briefing at the white house. joining us with all of the latest details, chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher. >> governor, let's begin with breaking news out of the coronavirus task force where stephen kohn, fda commissioner, said the first at home covid-19 test unveiled this week and actually be mailed from doctors to patients, who can then