generation away from losing freedom. how will we preserve that american dream? it's either the new dream deal, associate madness, or its free-market capitalism is graded wealth of the entire world. appeasement or peace through strength. hannity.com. let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham, how are you? >> laura: we were betting here in the studio that you were going on "dancing with the stars," so i'm glad the book is coming out. i'm glad -- i mean -- >> sean: do you like the cover? >> laura: i thought that maybe you were -- live free or die, that's a new hampshire license plate. >> sean: it is. >> laura: i love it. to be to the latin at the very bottom says "live free or america dies" and i will tell you, if there new greenville madness -- if there appeasement takes front and center, i don't know if we ever get the country that we knew back. >> laura: if we don't get this country back to work, the title of the book is not going to mean a lot, so we better get people going safely back to work and start innovating, my friend.

>> sean: amen. better do it safely. we've learned. >> laura: i better get an early copy. i can't believe i was surprised by this, i thought you were my close friend and i didn't even know about this. congrats, i'm excited. >> sean: thank you. >> laura: i'm excited for you, hannity. congrats, you take care. i'm more income, this is "the ingraham angle" from dc-10 a. two california dr. stork the internet over the last few days when they made the case for reopening america. okay, tonight they are here exclusively to make their case and to answer some of the nasty critics -- you know who you are. also, we dug further into the governments efforts to pretty much discredit the benefits of hydroxychloroquine, used all over the world. infectious disease specialist stephen smith is here to respond to those findings, plus another doctor is suing the state over limiting the drug. well, which state? we will tell you. he's here tonight. and raymond arroyo has taken another deep look into the

sexual assault allegations against joe biden. he's here, going to tell us what he found. at how the media are covering it all up. but first, my thoughts at the end of day 42, can you believe it, america in shutdown. now, many of you are probably feeling kind of like i'm feeling. it's a weird feeling, isn't it? it's horrible -- if you like all the people who suffered out there -- they're also living in kind of a time warp, because you think back like in the pre-covid days, seems like a long time ago in a way, you could do things like drive to visit your friends or maybe stop in to see her parents or a relative. you might have dropped her child off at school. or you could go out on a saturday night, maybe go to a ball game, maybe go to dinner. in the precovid road, you didn't have to walk around like you're playing medical dress-up. you shook hands when you met someone or making a bet. you hugged your son's best

friend when he made honor roll. you shook hands and you met someone for the first time. it's what you did. you went to church. maybe you even planned a fun summer getaway. you are making decent money. but six weeks after most of us lost a lot of these freedoms, this is where things stand in our most populous state. folks there seem to have had enough of the lock down. talk. their numbers, well, this is where they are. they lost 1776 of their citizens to covid. in a state of 40 million that's nearly 45 people are million. compared to 1,145 per million in new york, think of that differential. that's reported 22,500 deaths, by the way, in new york despite having half the population of the golden state. now, you talk about deaths and it gets very sterile like it doesn't mean anything. of course every death is tragic.

every life is irreplaceable. that goes without saying. california by comparison to a lot of other states, especially new jersey, new york, is doing far better with about one 20th of the covid deaths of the empire state. again, people are seeing this. they're not dumb. the data doesn't lie, the data is what the data is. so this is what the beaches looked like in california this weekend. well, governor newsom was some kind of unhappy. speak with the images saw over the weekend, the images down in orange county and ventura county on our beaches. those images are an example of what not to see. people, what not to do. if we are going to make the meaningful progress that we've made in the last few weeks extend into the next number of weeks. >> laura: it you're getting the sense that a lot of people

are just starting to tune him and a lot of other blue state politicians out as well. well, there were protests in las vegas, a massive caravan of people showed up on the strip there and with the sunshine, cabin fever hitting, more and more americans just want to get on with their lives. they want to do it safely but they have to get on with their lives. of course the media, they are there lying in wait. you get the sense that some might be ghoulishly watching to see if states like georgia -- remember, georgia open first. whether they show a major uptick in hospitalizations due to covid. but as one georgia barbershop owner told us on friday, it's a matter of his survival as well. >> i had no income for the last two months. i own three barbershops, also cut here myself. and us being out of work, there's no money coming in at all. so my question to the people out there, what should we do? should we just let -- you know,

just sit back and wait for the government to bail us out? or take advantage of an opportunity that we have and be as safe as possible and still, you know, make as much money as we can and you know, just play it safe? >> laura: meanwhile, remember precovid when this was a story? speak of the flu is already widespread in five states and last year at this point it wasn't widespread anywhere. >> the number of flu cases that we're detecting is much higher than we would expect to see at this point in time in any average year. they go you see all that red? how could you not? that should be a red flag about just how bad this year's flu season has gotten. >> laura: back in early january before he became a global superstar, dr. anthony fauci told cnn that this flu season was on track to be as severe as the 2017-2018 season, which was the deadliest in more than four decades. he said the initial indicators indicate it's not going to be a good season. this is going to be a bad season. but after those initial

warnings, the story seemed to kind of go away. this despite the fact that we know that at least 169 children have died this flu season. that's only second to the 188 died during the 2017-2018 season. at least three children have died due to covid. look at these graphs from earlier this year. some of the math there. week after week, the mortality numbers in the influenza -- pneumonia, were climbing. despite all this though, civilization didn't grind to a halt. schools didn't close, we didn't even talk about it. h1n1, the swine flu, was particularly vicious this year, whereas the beast rain hit the young hardest. look at this graph of just how bad the flu season was. look at where it went up. you can see in the graph, that read as it goes up and it goes up towards the end of week 16,

which is in april, but it actually went up to epidemic levels, a little bit over that white line, before you would imagine those covid deaths were actually counted. it was a nasty season, so it qualified as a national epidemic week after week or close to it. now, covid is not the flu, we are not saying that. it's a lot more contagious and it's new. it hits the old hardest, young, relatively unscathed by it, relatively. and according to researchers, there are as many as 33 mutations to covid-19. yet the covid mortality rate we now know because we now have the data is a fraction of what a lot of the professionals, the experts, told us it would be. well, as inconvenient truths like that that led doctors erickson -- who join us in moments, to produce a video calling for california to be reopened. >> 0.03 chance of dying from

covid in the state of california. is that -- does that necessitate sheltering in place? does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? does that necessitate people being out of work? when your little child crawling on the ground, putting something in her mouth, viruses and bacteria come in, form a complex -- this is how your immune system is built. you don't take a small child, put them in bubble wrap in a room and say go have a healthy immune system. >> laura: they also say they're hearing from doctors discussing the possibility that there is a confluence of deaths being reported. >> when someone dies in this country right now, they're not talking about the high blood pressure, diabetes, the stroke. they're saying that did they die -- we've been to hundreds of autopsies. you don't talk about one thing, you talk about comorbidities. e.r. doctors now, my friends i talked to say, you know, it's interesting when i'm writing about my death report, i'm being pressured to add covid.

why is that? >> laura: and then they came to this conclusion. >> something else is going on here. this is not about science and it's not even about covid. when they use the word safe, the word safe, if you listen to the word safe, that's about controlling you. >> laura: well, big science, the medical establishment, whatever you want to call it is already coming after them since their videos have gone, sorry for the pond, viral. those are my thoughts at the end of day 42, america and shut down. joining me now exclusively are the owners of accelerated urgent care in bakersfield, california. dr. dan erickson and dr. -- dr. erickson, great to see you, thank you both for being here tonight. a lot of the focus on reopening has been on the economics, but you say that even from a public health perspective, we don't need to be shut and again. especially in california with what we know about the covid-19 there.

please explain. >> well, i think what i've been studying over the last five days is herd immunity. and i've looked to world leaders, specifically dr. johan and dr. anders techno, these gentlemen are from sweden. in sweden, as you know, has taken an approach where people are allowed to move about. children under 16 are in school and they haven't done a lock down. they've some basic social distancing and the doctor just finished doing a report where he said is really not of science backing these techniques. then he said we use things like hand washing, a little bit of social distancing, because those work. and if you look at their numbers, 200 deaths per million compared to ours, about the sa same. italy's 400 per million and spain is about 400 per million, so we are looking at this going okay, they took a completely different approach and the results are basically the same. so how do you get the herd immunity? you do it by the virus spreading

throughout the community. once it hits 70 or 80%, the virus has nowhere else to go and it burns out. so you can do it that way or you can get a vaccine, but as you know, we have a vaccine for flu. every year, we watch the flu come in and it causes about 60,000 deaths and in 2017, about 45 million cases and we have a vaccine. however, for the cdc website, this vaccine is often -- doesn't match the virus very well, so per their website, as i was reading today, it has little to no effect. so i think the key is the vaccine helps you get to herd immunity, but it also -- you can get to herd immunity without a vaccine. >> laura: well, we don't know -- what i asked dr. fauci a couple weeks ago was -- how do we know we are going to have a vaccine? we never had a vaccine for sars. it got close but then it burned out, and then -- the vaccine for the flu is about 55% -- 50-55%

shows effectiveness. i think it does have some effectiveness -- can't say it doesn't have any effectiveness, i don't think that's correct. however, doctor, now everybody is holding out new zealand. look at new zealand. new zealand basically did a really strict lockdown and they've essentially declared the virus defeated. they don't -- they've basically contains the virus. so now everybody's thinking america can, i guess, go to new zealand and everyone go back to their homes and don't go to the beaches in california. >> well, first and foremost, thank you for having us. i think one thing worth noting is that we think president trump did a really good job stopping travel from china as early as he did. and we think -- think is it administration is doing a great job with what they've done in california to stop the progression and increasing numbers of disease.

as you know, there's been a downslope of disease. i think the problem with social isolation is how do you get out of it? i think when the virus originally appeared there was a lot of fear that the new virus -- it's a mutated version. of the coronavirus and it was deadly. you know, it was killing people and we were scared and i think dr. fauci was brilliant in instituting the social isolation measures. >> laura: dr. erickson, i want to get to you. that executive director of the committee to protect medicare, dr. rob davidson, he has been tweeting up a storm about your videos and has an issue with urinalysis. he says considering it 109,000 covid-19 patients have recovered 55,000 died out of nearly 1 million cases, how can extrapolate to larger population without knowing the outcomes of

the other 835,000. their statistical message, simple division and multiplication, doesn't quite cut it. how do you respond dr. erickson? >> let's look at stanford's data. i go to the stanford study and i see -- they were predicting -- the health department in santa clara county predicted 956 positive cases, that's what they had recorded. but when stanford did antibody testing out of 3300 randomized people, they found 2.5-4.16% of the population was indeed positive. that means 45-80,000 people were positive with covid, which is 50 times what was reported in a public health apartment, and my data is that i just did 6,000 swabs. i had 413 positive, which was 7% of the county. at my initial was not randomized. my second data in the last three weeks is randomized. so what we are seeing is between four and 7% of two different counties, santa clara county,

2 million, kern county, 1 million. each of our prospective data shows 4-7%. if you extrapolate that out to different counties in california, you're going to have a couple million cases and 1700 deaths. i realized that kern county is different than l.a. and that's why when were talking about opening up america, our approach would be to take kern county, get the school systems going and see how the disease progresses. move slowly, open up the restaurants, see how it progresses. kind of a stepwise perched on the ladder to get us back to open up the country. >> laura: dr. massihi, i can't tell you how many different people send me your videos. i think i got them from for people in an hour period. you struck a nerve with those videos. why do you think, very quickly, massihi? >> i think we can relate to the american people. there's folks that are at home.

they don't have a job. they've lost their source of income. as an increase in alcoholism. folks are depressed, suicide is happening. people are struggling. and so we felt that we had to be an advocate for them and discuss this important issue and i think that's why a lot of folks are relating to us, because they feel that we understand them, and we do, and we are advocates for the average american. >> laura: gentlemen, you also brought up of course the fact that the larger medical system, hospitals, doctors practices are suffering greatly. layoffs, salary cuts. benefit cuts. we have a whole hospital system that is about to crumble if this thing doesn't begin to turn around and i think we have to -- we can't forget about those wonderful people as well. so gentlemen, thank you very much, we really appreciate your coming on tonight, thanks again. and about a week and a half ago i was dismissed for asking dr. fauci this question.

>> laura: i just want to talk about california because no one's really been able to explain. the numbers are -- they don't really make sense and even with the shutdown date, in a few days off here or there, could there be different viral strains that circulated longer on the west coast versus predominantly on the east coast, the 'clades? have you looked into that? >> there could be, but they're not. >> laura: fauci's quick denial was a bit troubling but so too was the medias subsequent piling on. just a couple days after that interview, "the washington post" aaron blake summarized the exchange as follows. ingram noted the vast difference in the rates of infections and deaths on the west coast versus east coast, but rather than spotlighting the most obvious reason for that, the west coast well-documented more aggressively early response to the situation, she suggested it might actually be because of different strange attacking different portions of the country but fauci again wasn't having it. well, aaron blake is the senior

political reporter at "the washington post." why his area of coverage extended to an interview between myself and dr. fauci is anyone's guess. but further his reportorial instincts are lacking. just eight days before his limp hit job, "the new york times" published this new research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the new york area by mid-february and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from europe, not asia. then there was this. from former fda commissioner scott gottlieb yesterday. >> there are different strains and there appears to be two predominant strains here in the u.s. they're both on the east coast and the west coast. the seating on the east coast seems to have been from europe, mostly from italy. the seating on the west coast seems to have been from china. >> laura: i don't mean to pick on poor mr. blake, his feelings are shared far and wide, but it is instructive. the coronavirus pandemic has revealed a stunning lack of

curiosity and basic math skills by the media. they were once called -- calling on all of us to, you know, listen to the experts, but it's time to ask the experts some real questions. well, they've now turned their fire on the very media members doing just that. for the sake of the country, let's hope that changes soon. all right, i had, the media spent days peddling a fraudulent va report claiming hydroxychloroquine was killing patients. today, we have an update. plus, the president of the nevada osteopathic medical association is suing his state for limiting hydroxychloroquine use. he's here, next.

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drug may actually harm critically ill patients. >> studies in the u.s. from the va and now from new york state that show no benefit or even a potential harm in the case of the va study. >> where's the evidence that they're using to determine that it's safe to continue when we've got the study, we see no other evidence coming out that it is beneficial? >> laura: on not only have we blown holes in that shoddy, ridiculous va study, but there's new research showing opposite that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial. "the ingraham angle" just got our hands on the first english translation of a study by world-renowned infectious disease specialist on treating 1,061 covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in france. now, the key finding and what we've been saying about this correct application of the drug is the following. when prescribed soon enough after the onset of symptoms, it leads to a more favorable outcome of covid-19. he goes on to write that waiting

too long for a double-blind study, study, he says it seems immoral to us and in contradiction with the hippocratic oath, which states that a doctor must do as much as possible to treat patients according to the available knowledge in the field. here now is infectious disease expert dr. stephen smith. dr. smith, do you agree that those treating covid patients, as you have, i think you're up to 200 plus patients, that you don't have time to wait for the double-blind perfect study here? >> no, i mean, if you want to do a double-blind study, then do it in the well patients. you don't do it in the patients that are being admitted to the hospital, those people are extremely ill. there's arty plenty of evidence, plenty of evidence to suggest -- that suggest proof that establishing that treatment of this population with this combination regiment -- that it works. it certainly doesn't harm people

and i have data that fits with dr. mike the doctors data. is a more substantial than ours even. we are up to almost 200 patients, laura. but the exact same thing. if people are going to go bad, they go bad early. that means that something we are doing is working and the odds of that not happening and having a chance, as we discussed a long time ago are tend to the minus 27th or whatever. so we know the combination is changing the course of disease. and we know now the french data are extremely strong. so you can't ethically deny that. what would you say to the patient's family? >> laura: dr. smith, how do you explain this? because again, all the headline readers that all these reporters who actually showed dig three levels down into the study, as i know you have and so many of your colleagues have, it's not a study. talk about not a real study. this va report. and repeating stuff.

>> it's unbelievable. that's not a study at all. they don't even list the dosages of hydroxy carbon or azithromycin. the pill got dispensed from the formula. the doctor and the two other mds on that study, the other rest are statisticians. if are not clinicians. they're all trained in ophthalmology. doctor is a renowned -- macular degeneration researcher. i have no idea why he delved into the study, which isn't a study, it's a sham. i can't believe anyone took this seriously. there's not one dosage listed commutative or daily hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin and people call this a study. i've never, ever seen in efficacy drug trial or study not mention the dose. >> laura: we actually reached out to the authors of that -- you reached out too. they wouldn't answer our questions about timing, level of dosing, status of the patients

when the drug was given. we still haven't heard back. >> not one person in that paper saw one covid patient. only three are mds, all ophthalmology train. look up to see if they're in the idea department. like my friends are. they're in the dash something about the vision department. the doctor is a basic science researcher, that's fine, he's good at that. the other two mds in that study, the third md, they are ophthalmology in other countries and they are working in doc the doctor's lab. it's a sham, i sent an email to the dean of the med school. i have not heard back from him. it is an embarrassment that you va allows this thing to be called a study. >> laura: by the way, the fda's warning about it, dr. smith, is now leading hospital groups like johns hopkins to pull back from

hydroxychloroquine because of heart issues, which the doctor did not find it's been prescribed -- for pregnant women for decades when had rheumatoid arthritis, for decades. something was weird here. it's weird. >> it's unbelievably strange to me and doctor, as i've commented before, has looked at over 80, 90 patients that have had more than three days of combination and that ekgs had done since then. minimal to no changes. no minimal -- inpatients that don't have other terminus issues going on. we are going to publish those data online. the study is called association of diabetes and if -- >> laura: got buried dr. smith, we've got to well but we want that study when it comes out. look, you see patients every day with your practice. treating physicians, that's what he was saying. people who treat covid patients,

they count and their experiences -- the other observational, they are observing whether patients are getting better. dr. smith, thank you very much tonight, we really appreciate it. speaking of hydroxy chloroquine, last month nevada's governor unilaterally stripped doctors of the ability to prescribe the drug outside of hospital settings. that's pretty much with the fda advised last week. while, my next guest is leading a group of doctors to have that order overturned. his name is dr. birx, president of the osteopathic medical association and his attorney joey gilbert. all right, doctor, we hear all the time how unproven or risky, could kill you, hydroxychloroquine -- i mean, regular people are tuning in for the first time like i'm not taking that. what have you found and why are you suing for the right to prescribe this? >> well, what was actually found, laura, is that looking at just the same thing and i really appreciate dr. smith's diatribe earlier, is that really we are

not seeing an increase rate of these side effects. just like you've been saying, medication has been used since the 1940s, the side effect profiles are well known. in the people that have used it, there hasn't been a significant increase in the rate of these side effects. so really, just to take this -- introduce you where we are. i'm the president of the osteopathic medical association and we have decided to file a lawsuit against this emergency order was enacted by the governor, as you mentioned back on the 23rd of march, which restricts the use of this medication to only hospitalized patients and only recently also possibly to the e.r. laura, i mean, just like everybody's been saying and i've been exposing for the longest time as well, there is a huge, critical therapeutic window that needs to be utilized -- speeone's are you saying -- are you saying, and joe, you can

chime in here, is your client saying that people could die because they're not getting this type of therapy that might work for some patients gimmick we are not saying it's a panacea, we are not saying that works for everybody. doesn't work when you're about to be intimated. that's not -- when there's a cytokine storm going on your body, it's probably not going to work, probably not going to work. but are people dying because they're not getting one option here, could they be? >> laura, absolutely. joey gilbert, thank you for having us on. people couldn't just die, they are dying. people are dying. if this is not used in the therapeutic use window, which is a time period -- it depends on who you are, 90% of the population may be 80, 85% are going to be fine but it's that 15% of high risk that are going to die. you get put on a ventilator, a 20% chance of coming off the ventilator, but you've got lung problems for life. i believe this is about money. i believe it's about panic and creating just, you know, the

whole swath of problems for americans, but at the end of the day, this is a safe medication, it's been around 70 years and we are seeing the results, tens of thousands across the world. >> laura, i mean, really from the most basic standpoint, nevada medical association is pushing this because we feel this denial of the ability of the doctor to treat the patient, the way that the patient and the doctor have determined their problem, determined the treatment and then also -- >> laura: yeah. for the governor to step in between -- i mean, all these people are always like it's between the doctor and his patient, you know, when it's an issue like abortion, right? doctor and the patient. but when it's covid, no, the governor has to step in. all right, -- thank you both for joining us, we will be following this lawsuit very, very closely. in coming up, new installment of

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as raymond arroyo, fox news contributor, author of "the analytic power," now in paperback. all right, raymond, today nancy pelosi came out to endorse joe biden. >> joe biden brings values and integrity to work every day. i'm proud to endorse joe biden for president. a leader who is the personification of hope and courage, values, authenticity and integrity. >> laura, the biden campaign strategy here is to sell joe biden as the exemplar of integrity, empathy. but the campaign and the media have shown little empathy for accuser tara reid. she claims that back in 1991 when she was a staffer in biden's office, she was pinned against the wall by the senator and he reached under her clothing. we won't describe the graphic details, but she claims a sexual assault. now two neighbors have stepped forward and confirmed that she shared her story with them in the '90s.

>> laura: and now video has surfaced of her mother calling larry king in 1993 asking this. >> i'm wondering what staffer would do besides go to the press in washington. my daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator and could not get through with her problems at all. the only thing she could have done was go to the press and she chose not to do it out of respect for him. >> now, laura, the circumstantial evidence suggests that terror reads allegations at the very least need to be examined and if you pay attention to biden's twitter feed the way i do, he recognizes the danger that these and other allegations present. this is from april 3rd, 2019. listen. >> i want to talk about gestures of support and encouragement that i've made two women and some men that have made them uncomfortable. to hug people. i grab men by the shoulders and say you can do this.

i will be more mindful and respectful of people's personal space, that's a good thing. i worked my whole life to empower women. >> laura: worked my whole life. >> he's empower women by speak directly to these charges. that's what needs to happen here. particularly now that you have the two neighbors that the business insider has confirmed the story with, contemporaneous accounts of tara reid telling these friends what happened to her meant by the way, i love this. this insider tried to get the biden files from the senate. the university of delaware has them. they are sealed until two years after he leaves public office. that should be opened as well. >> laura: welcome to the left has no -- they virtue signal on all of this stuff but when push comes to shove it's about power until move past this as fast as they can, but you've got to give biden the benefit of the doubt. he might have forgotten. he's forgotten a lot, raymond. he might have forgotten. >> well, but the other people didn't and some -- it looks like they're having an able perrone moment, laura, where you know when ava perrone died, one

perrone had her involved and set her at the dining room table. they treated the nonparticipant as a participant. now watch this. this is a virtual event from saturday. it was jill biden, not joe, leading the proceedings with joe biden present. >> the presidency is about true leadership. having the forethought to prepare for the worst. the character to move beyond politics and serve every american, only one candidate in this election has all three. my husband, our next president of the united states, joe biden! >> oh, boy. >> laura: what! >> even today there was a biden town hall and african-americans in covid, biden wasn't there. simone sanders and kamala harris provided. an lgbt event, once again jill biden was the main attraction. maybe joe was in the basement with kim jong un. i don't know what happened to them and a women's event is

scheduled for tomorrow with a special guest. at this point i think joe biden could be a special guest, laura. >> laura: rehman. are you sitting? if "snl" really was -- i know we are going to get to this, if they really were -- they really wanted to do it up, do it right, they have to just do that -- could you tell the difference between joe biden and a cardboard cutout of joe biden? i don't even see him moving in that video with jill. that was bizarre. what else? a few weeks ago, fauci, he was asked who should play him on saturday night live. i remember that. he suggested a certain person and he got his wish. >> there's been a lot of misinformation out there about the virus. and yes, the president is taken some liberties with our guidelines. >> i think is a wonderful guy. >> so yeah, i'm getting fired. >> to the real dr. fauci, thank you for your calm and your clarity in this unnerving time.

>> the big stars play fauci, because they're trying to frame them as the anti-trump -- you get stuck with kate mckinnon as does giuliani. sessions. i'm still holding my breath for henry travel to play madison all, so i would just wear these and we will try to lobby for someone better to play me. >> laura: rehman, if fauci really comes out and support stn fauci so fast. although that was a cute little bit. that was a cute little bed. all right, ray, thanks very much. as our country is clawing its way out of this pandemic that prospered due to chinese disinformation, well, the communist nation has found two big boosters on the global stage, dinesh d'souza takes on bill gates and dr. tedros next. there will be parades and sporting events and concerts. to help our communities when they come back together,

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♪ >> laura: china's devastate of the global economy with a virus and accidentally released. my neighbor listed accidentally as trump said, we don't know for sure, but the communist regime still has plenty of friends in high places. >> how would you respond to the charge that, look, the chinese covered this up, they essentially deceived the rest of the world and as a result, they should be held in some way responsible for this? >> that's a distraction. i think there's a lot of, you know, incorrect and unfair things said but it's not even time for that discussion. >> laura: it when it's time for discussion, bill? criticizing beijing will mean the gates foundation will have to close his office there were that he might lose his honorary doctorate from university, i probably botched that pronunciation, which boasts president xi as an alum. china's paid propagandists were happy to spread that gates clipped far and wide.

and remember, last week when we exposed the troubling ties between china and w.h.o. director general dr. tedros, well, tedros is still an unrepentant puppet of the ccp. >> the world should have listened, then carefully -- i assure you that w.h.o. gives the best advice we can based on science and evidence. >> laura: really? because this is what the w.h.o. tweeted out on january 14th. "the luminary investigations conducted by the chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human to human transmission of the novel coronavirus." this of course was a talking point pushed by the chinese government at the time. joining me now is dinesh d'souza, conservative commentator and author of the upcoming book, "united states and socialism." good to see you. we know china essentially got tedros elected to the w.h.o., but why is gates defending the communist regime, knowing what

we know about them in totality? >> it's a little bit of a puzzle. i don't subscribe to the idea that gates is part of some kind of a global conspiracy or he's trying to peddle his own drugs, i think his motives here are benign. but i think gates is wedded to this globalist ideology. now, the key point here is that globalism is the ideology of the coronavirus pandemic, because think about it, globalization is the free movement of people, of goods, and that means that when you have a virus that's going to spread very quickly because of the close and intimate global contact among people. gates is a deep believer in this ideology and if this ideology that made the virus however it started in china, spread so fast. so gates doesn't want to point a finger at globalization though. so i think is trying to keep the finger pointed at trump, so when he says it's a distraction, a distraction from what? well, it's a distraction i guess from the idea of the media

pointing the blame at trump even though this is a chinese virus, let loose possibly from a chinese lab in the chinese suppressed the data of its spread that could have left -- put all the other countries on alert and prevented this from becoming the horrific outcome that it has become. >> laura: you mentioned the globalism. bill clinton, former u.n. ambassador speaking of globalists, warning against blaming china for covid, watch. >> is counterproductive to blame china, to cut them off. to cut off the world health organization. we need china when it comes to north korea to keep the sanctions on, 90% of the trade into north korea goes through china. i would be careful about alienating china too much. >> laura: does he have something -- does he have some point there? they do make a lot of our drugs. south china sea is pretty important. we have the north korea issue. >> well, there's absolutely no question that we should be dealing with china, but the question is whether we should be

dealing with china and the kind of promiscuous way or should we be dealing with china in the kind of cautious way, recognizing that many points both in foreign policy as well as in trade, their interests are adversarial two hours. if that doesn't mean you don't do business, but it means you do business with your eyes open. >> laura: eyes wide open, reagan and the soviet union. he had a different approach, didn't he? great to see you, thanks so much. and remember those doctors we had at the top of the show? which is got a shocking update to their story. you don't want to miss it next. can match the power of energizer. because energizer ultimate lithium is the longest lasting aa battery in the world. [confetti cannon popping] energizer. backed by science. matched by no one.

♪ >> laura: all right, we have such a huge reaction to the two doctors we had at the top of the show. erickson, youtube just took down their viral video challenging the covid narrative when it comes to what is happening in california especially. ironically, this is exactly what they warned about. that this isn't about science. this is about control. in this case, control of a narrative. we should have seen it coming. youtube ceo was on cnn days ago, and anything to go against world health organization recommendations would be a violation of policy. removal is another important part of the policy. welcome if you aren't worried about censorship in this country, you better be now.

it's not the government doing it but something that controls so much of the dialogue, it is fairly close to the kind of censorship i never thought we would see in this country. that is truly terrifying. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" have all the latest and they take it from here, shannon. >> shannon: listen, laura, in an interview, i watched that over the weekend and many can watch for themselves with the data to make an informed position. they don't have to agree with these doctors but it's thought-provoking. >> laura: not anymore, not anymore. >> shannon: that is it, thank you laura. we begin with a fox news alert. multiple states began to process reopening has business owners and residents dip their toes into the new normal. well, on the west coast gavin newsom warns residents, he may roll out a more aggressive lockdown order if they don't stay home.