reagan said we are one generation away from losing erfreedom. how will we preserve that dream? see the new greendale socialists madness, is it appeasement or peace through strength? let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham, how are you? >> laura: we were betting here in the studio that you are going on "dancing with the stars," so we are glad the book is coming out. i'm glad... you know, i thought maybe... "live free or die," that's the new hampshire license plate. i love it. >> laura: the latin at the very bottom says "live free or america dies." the new greendale madness, if there appeasement takes front and center, i don't know if we get the front and center back. >> sean>> laura: hannity, if wet get this country back to work, the title of the book want me a lot.

>> sean: amen. we've got to do it safely. >> laura: i better get an early copy. i can't believe i was surprised by this but i thought you were my close friend! i didn't even know about this. i'm excited. >> sean: thank you. >> laura: i'm excited for you, hannity. you take care. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." two california doctors for up the internet the last couple of days when they made the case of reopening america. tonight, they are here exclusively to make their case and to answer some of the nancy critics, you know who you are. also we dug further in the government's to pretty much discredit the benefits of hydroxychloroquine use all over the world. infectious disease specialist stephen smith is here to respond to those findings. plus another doc is suing the state over limiting the drug. which state, we'll tell you. he's here tonight. and raymond arroyo has taken a

look in the so allegations against joe biden but first, my thoughts at the end of day 42, if you can believe it, america and shut down. many of you are probably feeling kind of like i'm feeling. it's a weird feeling. it's horrible, you feel like all the people who suffered out there, you are living in kind of a time warp. you think in the preto covid days, you could do things like drive to visit your friend. or maybe stop in to see your parents or your relatives. it might've dropped your child off at school or you could go off on a saturday night, go to a ball game, maybe go to dinner. you didn't have to walk around like you are playing medical dress-up. you shook hands when you met someone or making a bet. you hug your sons best friend when he made honor roll, you

shook hands when you met someone for the first time, that's what you did. you went to church. maybe you even planned a fun summer getaway. you were making decent money. but six weeks after most of us lost a lot of their freedoms, this is where things stand in our most populous states. they seem to have had enough of the lock down. talking california. their numbers, well, this is where they are pure they've lost 1776 of their citizens to covid. in a state of 40 million, that's nearly 45 people per million. compared to 1,145 per million in new york. think of that differential. reported 22,500 deaths in new york despite having half the population of the golden state. you talk about deaths and it gets very sterile, like it doesn't mean anything. of course, every death is

tragic. every life is irreplaceable. that goes without saying. california by comparison, a lot of other states especially in new york, new jersey, is doing far better with about one 20th of the covid deaths of the empire state. people are seeing this. they are not dumb. the data does not lie, the data is what the data is. this is what the beaches look like in california this weekend. well, governor newsom was some kind of unhappy. speak of the images we saw over the weekend, the images down in orange county, ventura county on our beaches. there was images are an example of what not to see. people, what not to do, if we are going to make the meaningful progress that we've made the last few weeks extend into the next number of weeks. >> laura: you are getting the

sense that a lot of people are starting to turn him and a lot of other blue state politicians out as well. there were protests in las vegas. a massive caravan of people showed up on the strip there. and with the sun shining, cabin fever americans want to get on with their lives. they want to do it safely but they have to get on with their lives. the media, they are there lying in wait. you get the sense that some might be ghoulishly watching to see if states like georgia -- remember, georgia opened first. whether they show a major uptick in hospitalizations due to cov covid. as one george barber shop owner told us on friday, it's a matter of his survival as well. >> i had no income for the last two months. i own three barbershops. i also cut hair myself. us being out of work is no money coming in at all. so my question to the people out there, what should we do? should we just let, sit back and

wait for the government to bail us out? or take advantage of the opportunity we have and be as safe as possible and still, you know, make as much money as you can, and just play it safe? >> laura: meanwhile, remember precovid when this was a story? >> the flu is already widespread in five states that at this point, it wasn't widespread anywhere. >> flu cases are much higher than we expect to see at this point in time an average year. >> see all the red? that should be a red flag about how bad this year's flu season has gotten. >> laura: back in early january before he became a global superstar, dr. anthony fauci told cnn that this flu season was on track to be as severe as the 2017-2018 season, which was the deadliest in more than four decades but he said the initial indicators indicate it's not going to be a good season. he said this is going to be a bad season.

but after those initial warnings, the story seems to go away. this despite the fact that we know at least 169 children have died this flu season. that's only second to the 188 who died during that 2017-2018 season. at least three children have died to covid. look at the graphs from earlier this year, some of the math. week after week, the mortality numbers in influenza and pneumonia, they call it p and i, were climbing. despite this, though, civilization didn't grind to a halt. schools didn't close. we didn't even talk about it. h1n1, the swine flu, particular vicious this year, where as the b strain hit the young artist. look at this graph at how bad the flu season was. look where it went up. read to, as it goes up, and it goes up towards the and of week

16, which is in april, but it actually went up to epidemic levels, a little bit over the white line, before you would imagine those covid deaths were actually counted. it was a nasty season. it qualified as a national epidemic week after week, or close to it. covid is not the blueprint we are not saying that. it's a lot more contagious and it is new. it it's the old hardest. young relatively unscathed by it. relatively. as many as 23 mutations to covid-19. yet the mortality rate we now know because we have the data is a fraction of what a lot of the professionals, the experts told us would be. it's inconvenient truths like that that led doctors erickson and masshini to tell them what

does that necessitate shelter in place? does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? does that necessitate people being out of work? >> when you are a little child crawling on the ground putting stuff in your mouth, bacteria's and virus comes in, this is how your immune system is built. you don't take a small child, put them in bubble wrap in a room and say, go have a healthy immune system. >> laura: they also say they are hearing from doctors discussing the possibility that there is a confluence of deaths being reported. >> when someone dies in this country right now, they are not talking about high blood pressure, diabetes, stroke. they say, did they die from his b26? we've been to hundreds of autopsies. you don't talk about one thing. you talk about comorbidities. doctors now, friends and i talked to, it's interesting. when i'm writing up my death report, i'm being asked to ask

whom, why. >> laura: and then they came to this conclusion. >> something else is going on here. this is not about science and it's not even about covid. when they use the word safe, the word safe, that's about controlling you. >> laura: big science, the medical establishment, whatever you want to call it, it's already going after them when the videos have, that sorry for the pond, gone viral for those are my thoughts at the end of day 42, america and shut down for joining me now exclusively are the owners of accelerated urgent care in bakersfield, california, doctors dan erickson and dr. artin massihi. great to see you, thank you for being here tonight. a lot of the focus on reopening has been on the economics. you say that even from a public health perspective, we don't need to be shot in again, especially in california with what we know about the covid-19 there. please explain.

>> well, what i've been studying over the last five days and heard in unity, and i've looked to world leaders, specifically dr. yolanda seki and doctors anders sweden has taken an approach where people are allowed to move about. children are there 16 are in school and there have not been a lockdown, basic social distancing. and just finished doing a report saying where there's not a lot of science backing these techniques. he said, we use things like hand washing, a little bit of social distancing because those work. if you look at their numbers, 200 deaths per million compared to ours, about the same. italy is 400 per million, and spain is about 400 per million. we are looking at this saying they took a complete different approach and the results are basically the same. so how do you get the herd immunity? you do it by the virus spreading

throughout the community. once it hits 70%-80%, the virus goes has nowhere to go and it burns out. you can do it that way or you get a vaccine. but as you know, we have a vaccine for flu. every year, we watch the flu comes in, and it causes about 60,000 deaths. in 2017, 45 million cases. and we have a vaccine. however for the cdc website, this vaccine often does not match the virus very well. and per the website reading today, it has little or no effect. i think the key is the vaccine helps you get to herd immunity, but you can get to herd immunity without a vaccine. >> laura: well, we don't know... what i asked dr. fauci a couple of weeks ago, how do we know we are going to have a vaccine? we never had a vaccine for sars, we got close but burned out. the vaccine for the flu is about 55%, 55%-six to present shows

effectiveness. i think it has some effectiveness. can't say it doesn't have any effectiveness. i don't think that's correct. however, dr. massihi, look at new zealand, new zealand did a really strict lockdown and they've essentially declared the virus defeated. they basically contained the virus. so now everyone is thinking america can go to new zealand. and everyone can go back to their homes, and don't go to the peaches in california >> first and foremost, thank you for having us. one thing worth noting is that we think president trump did a really good job stopping travel from china as early as he did. we also think the administration is doing a great job with what they did in california to stop the progression and the increase in numbers since april 9th, as

you know, there's been a downslope of disease. i think the problem with social isolation is how do you get out of it? when the virus originally appeared, there was a lot of fear with the new virus, a mutated version. with the coronavirus, it was deadly. it was killing people. and we were scared and i think dr. fauci was brilliant in instituting the social isolation measures. >> laura: dr. erickson, i want to get to you. i appreciate that. the committee to protect medicare, dr. rob davidson, he's been tweeting up a storm about your videos and has an issue with your analysis but he considering that 109,000 covid-19 patients have recovered and 55,000 died out of nearly 1 million cases, how can they extrapolate to the larger population without knowing the

outcomes of the other 835,000? their statistical method, simple division and multilocation, doesn't quite cut it. how do you respond? >> let's look at stanford's data. i look at the stanford study and the health department in santa clara county predict it 956 positive cases of beer what they had recorded. when they did antibody testing out of 8300 randomized people, they found 3.5%-4.16% of the publishing was indeed positive. that means 45 to 80,00 80,000 pe were positive with covid. my data is that i did 6,000 swabs, but i had 413 positives which was 7% of karen county. my initial data was not randomized. my second day that the last three weeks was randomized. what we are seeing is between 4% and 7% of two different counti

counties, current county 1 million, each of our prospective data shows 4%-7%. if you extrapolate that out to different counties in california, you are going to have a couple million cases and 1700 deaths. i believe current county is different than l.a. and we were talking about open up america, our approach would be to take the county coming at the school systems going, and see how the disease progresses. move slowly, opened up restaurants, see how it progressives. a stepwise approach down the ladder to get us back to open up the country. >> laura: dr. messihi, i can't tell you how many different people sent me your videos. i think i got them from four people in an hour period. you've struck a nerve with those videos. why do you think that, quickly, dr. messihi? >> i think we can relate to the american people. there are folks at home, they don't have a job.

they lost their source of income. there is an increase in alcoholism. folks are depressed, people are struggling. we felt that we have to be an advocate for them and discuss this important issue and i think that's why a lot of people are relating to us because they feel we understand them and we do. we are advocating for the average american's. >> laura: gentlemen, you also brought up of course that the larger medical system hospitals, doctor practices, are suffering greatly, salary cuts, benefit cuts. we have a whole hospital system that is about to crumble if this thing doesn't begin to turn around and i think we can't forget about those wonderful people as well. gentlemen, thank you very much. we really appreciate you coming on tonight. thanks again. about a week and a half ago, i was dismissed for asking dr. fauci this question. i just wants to talk about

california because no one has really been able to explain. they don't even make sense and be shut down dates, could there be different viral strains that circulated longer on the west coast versus predominantly on the east coast. have you looked into that? >> there could be, but there are not. >> laura: fauci's quick denial was a bit troubling but so too was the media's subsequent pylon. a couple of days after the interview, "the washington post"'s aaron blake as follows, "noted the rates of west coast and east coast, but rather than spotlighting the most obvious reason of that, well documented early response in a situation come as he suggested it might be because of different strains attacking different portions of the country." but fauci again wasn't having it. aaron blake is a senior

political reporter at "the washington post." why does the area of coverage extend an interview between myself and dr. fauci is anyone's guess, but his reportorial instincts are lacking. just eight days before his limp hit job, "the new york times" published this new research that indicates the coronavirus began to circulate in the new york area by mid-february and travelers brought in the virus mainly from europe, not asia. and then there was this, from former fda commissioner scott gottlieb yesterday. >> there are different strains and there appeared to be two predominant strains in the u.s. they are both on the east coast and the west coast. the seating from the east coast seems to be from europe, mostly from italy per the seating from the west coast seems to be from china. >> laura: i don't mean to pick on poor mr. break. his failings or share far and wide, but it is instructive. the coronavirus pandemic has revealed a stunning lack of

curiosity and basic math skills by the media. they were ones calling on all of us to listen to the experts. but it's time to ask the experts some real questions. they have now turned their fire on the very media members doing just that. for the sake of the country, let's hope that changes soon. all right. had i had to come in the media peddling a fraudulent at the a report that hydroxychloroquine was killing patients. today, we have an update. plus a member of the osteopathic corporation is suing his state for hydroxychloroquine use.

♪ >> several new studies, including one by the va, says

the drugs might actually harm critically ill patients. >> studies in the u.s. from the va and now new york state that shows now benefit or even a potential arm in the case of the va study.he >> where's the evidence they are using to determine that it's safe to continue when we've got this study, we can see no other evidence coming out that it is beneficial. >> laura: not only have we blown holes in that shoddy, ridiculous va study, but there is new research is showing the opposite that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial. "the ingraham angle" gothe their hands on the study by world famous infectious disease scientist dr. raoul treating 255 patients with hydroxychloroquine and be 25 in france. what we've said is the correct applicant of the drug is the following: when prescribed soon enough after the onset of symptoms, it leads to a more favorable outcome of covid-19.

goes on to write that waiting too long for a double-blind study, says it seems immoral to us and in contradiction to the hippocratic oath thatt states a doctor must do as much is possible to treat patients according to the available knowledge in the field. here now is infectious disease expert dr. stephen smith. dr. smith, do you agree that those treating covid patients, as you have, i think you are up to 200 plus patients, that you don't have time to wait for the double-blind perfect study here? >> no, if you want to do double blind studies, you don't do with the patients admitted in the hospital.pe those patients are extremely ill. there's already plenty of evidence to suggest prove establish that treatment of the population with this combination regimen designed by dr. raoul works. it certainly doesn't harm people

and i have data we are almost up to 200 patients, laura. exact same thing. people go bad or go bad early, s that means something we are doing is working. the odds of that happening by chance are minus the 27th or whatever. we know the combination is changing the course of the disease and we know the french data are extremely stronger you can't ethically deny that. what would you say to the patient's family? >> how do you explain this? all the headline readers and reporters who dig three levels down in the study as i know you have and many of your colleagues have, it's a matter of study. talk about not a real study, this va report. and yet the report keeps repeating stuff. >> it's unbelievable.

if a pill got this man's from the formula, the two of their mds theon study, the rest are statisticians, they are all trained in ophthalmology. i have no idea why he delved into this study which isn't a study. it's a sham. i can't believe anybody took this seriously. not in one dosage written of hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin. i've never seen an efficacy drug trial or study not mentioned in the dose. >> laura: doctor, we actually reached out to the authors of that -- >> so did i.n' >> laura: they wouldn't answer our questions of timing. level of dosing.

we still haven't heard back. >> not one person in that paper saw one hydroxychloroquine patient. only three mds, all ophthalmology trained. i just went here in the iv department, that's fine, he's good at that. the other two mds in that study, they are ophthalmology trained in other countries and they work in the lab. it's a sham, and shame on the uva. m i sent a letter to the med school va. i haven't heard from them. it's an embarrassment that va even called it a study. >> laura: the fda's warning about it, dr. smith, is now leading hospital groups like john hopkins to pull back from hydroxychloroquine because of

heart issues, which dr. raoult did not find, it's been prescribed to pregnant women for decades even when they have rheumatoidth arthritis. something is weird here. it's weird. >> it's unbelievably strange to me. and that comment looking over 8r or 90 patients to us that have had more than three days of this combination and have had ekgs done since then. there is no clinically smith can changes and other tremendous issues going on. we will publish this data onli online. the study is called "association of diabetes." >> laura: dr. smith, we've got to roll pit we want the study when it comes out. look, you see patients every day with your practice treating physicians, that's what raoult

was saying. people treating covid patients, the other observational, seeing whether patients get better. thank you for coming tonight. we really appreciate it but speaking of hydroxychloroquine, last month nevada's governor unilaterally strips doctors the ability to prescribe the drug outside of hospital settings. that's pretty much with the fda advised last week. my next group is leading a group of doctors suing to have the group overturned. his name is dr. bruce fong and president of the nevada osteopathic association and his attorney joey gilbert. we hear all the time how improving or risky, it can kill you, hydroxychloroquine, regular people tuning in for the first time like, i'm not taking that. what have you found and why are you suing for the right to prescribe this? >> what we've actually found, laura, looking at just the same thing and i really appreciate dr. smith's diatribe earlier. really we are not seeing an

increased rate of these side effects. i mean, just like you have been saying, the medicationon has ben used since the 1940s. the side effect profiles are well known. the people that have used this, there has not been a significant increase in the rate of these side effects. so really, just to take to introduce where we are, i'm the president of the nevada osteopathic medical association and we have decided to file a lawsuit against this emergency edorder enacted by the governors you mentioned back in the 23rd of march which restricts the use of this medication to only hospitalized patients and.r recently those in the e.r. laura, just like everybody who has been saying and i've been espousing for the longest time as well, there is a huge critical therapeutic window that needs toat be utilized -- >> laura: are you saying, and joey, you can climb down my

chime in here, is your client saying people could die because they are not getting this kind of therapy that might work -- ng it's a panacea, not saying it for everyone, not works when you are about to get into bated, there's a cytokine storm working in your body, not going to work, obtoo late. what are people going to be dying because they are not getting one option here, could they be? >> mueller, absolutely. people aren't just good, they are dying. if this is not used in the therapeutic use window which each and every case is different, depends on who you are. 90% of the population, may be 80%, 85% are going to be fine, but it's the 15% of the high risk that are going to die. you get put onen a ventilator, u have a 20% chance to come off the ventilator but you've got lung problems for life and i believe is about money, i believe it's about panic and

creating a whole swath of problems for americans. but at the end of the day, this is a safe medication that's been around 70 years and we are seeing results. tens of thousands across the world. >> laura, really from the most basic standpoint, the nevada also pathic association is pushing this because we feel that this order because of this denial of the ability of doctors to treat the patient the way patients and the doctors have determined their problems, determine the treatment. >> laura: for the governor to step in -- all these people are always like, it's between the doctor andnd the patient, you know, when it's an issue like abortion, right? doctor and a patient. but when it covid, no. the governor has to step in. dr. fong and joey, thank you very much for joining us. we are going to be following this lawsuit very, very closely. coming up, a new installment of

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>> live from america's news headquarters, i am jackie bonnie is in new york. a warning from attorney general bill barr, directing federal

prosecutors across the country to "be on the lookout for state and local pandemic restrictions that could be unconstitutional." barr says his department will pursue action in court if necessary. many states had issues with stay-at-home orders to keep the price virus from spreading it could conflict with stay-at-home orders in some states but that decision likely means that all three detroit automakers will be closed for another two weeks. ford, general motors, and sca factories have been idle for over a month now. they employ about 150,000 workers. i am jackie ibanez. now back to "the ingraham angle." >> laura: all right, it's time for our seen and unseen segment where we e expose the big cultul stories of the day. joe biden is accused of sexual assault and the democratic provincial nominee has disappeared.

joining us with all the details is raymond arroyo, author of "will wilder 3" now inmo paperback. today, nancy pelosi came out to endorse joe biden. >> joe biden brings values and integrity to work every day. i am proud to endorse joe biden for president,, a leader who is the personification of hope and courage, values, authenticity, and integrity. >> laura, the biden campaign strategy is to sell joe biden as an x clampmp bar of integrity, empathy. they have shown little empathy for accuser tyra reade back when she was a staffer in biden's office, she was pinned against the wall by the senator and reached under her clothing.e we will describe the graphicim details, but she claims sexual assault. now t to the neighborste have stepped forward and confirmed that reade shared s her story wh them in the '90s. >> laura: video has surfaced

of reade's mother calling larry king in 1993 asking this. >> caller: i'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press. my daughter has worked there after working for aet prominent senator and couldn't get through with her problems and all that and the only thing she could've done was go to the press and chose not to do it out of respect for him. >> is between nine, this circumstantial evidence suggests that tara reade's allegations at the least should be recognized. he recognizes the dangers these allegations present. this is from april 3rd, 2019. listen. >> i want to talk about justice, atsupport, encouragement to womn and some men that have made them uncomfortable. i've huggedd them, i've grabbed man on my shoulders and said you could do this. i will be more respectful poor

people's personal space, that'sg a good thing. i've looked my whole life empowering women. >> he should empower women directly by speaking to these charges. now you have the two neighbors that "business insider," content various accounts of tyra reade. i love this, "business insider" hetry to get the biden files frm the senate. they are sealed until two years after he leaves public office. that should be opened as well. >> laura: the left -- they virtue signal on all this stuff, but when push comes to the shop it's about power and they'll move past this as fast as they can. you've got to give biden the benefit of the doubt. he might've forgotten. he's forgotten a lot, raymond. he might've forgotten about this. >> the other people didn't. looks like they are having a neighbor perrone moment. when able when able t

treated and nonparticipant as able to spend. this is a event saturday. it was joe biden, not joe, leading the proceedings with joe biden present. >> of the presidency about true leadership, having the forethought to prepare for the worst. the character to move beyond politics and serve every american. only one candidate in this election has all three. my husband, our next president of the united states, joe biden! >> oh, boy, -- there was a biden town hall on african-americans and covid. maybe joe was in the basement with kim jong un. and biden's woman's event is scheduled tomorrow with a

special guest. at this point, i think joe biden could be a special guest. >> laura: raymond, are you kidding here? if "snl" really was -- i know we'll gets, to this. if theyll really wanted to do it up, do it right, they'd have to do the -- can you tell the difference between joe biden and a cardboard cutout of joe biden? i can't see him living in that video with jill. that was bizarre! a few weeks ago, fauci, asked who should w play him on saturdy night live. he suggested a certain person and he got his wish. >> o there's been a lot of misinformation out there about the virus. and, yes, the president has taken some liberties with our guidelines. >> i think you are a wonderful guy. >> yeah, i'm getting fired. to the real dr. fauci, thank you for your calm, clarity, in this

unnerving time.rs >> the big stars play fauci, laura, because they are trying to frame him as the anti-trump. you get stuck with mate, , kate mckinnon. i'mil hoping erik havel plays me on "snl." >> laura: first of all, if fauci really comes out and support trump, brad pitt will turn on fauci so fast. that was a cute little bit. all right, ray, thanks so much.t as our country is clawing its way out of the pandemic that prospered due to chinese disinformation, the communist nation has found two big boosters on the global stage. dinesh d'souza takes on bill gates and dr. tedros next.

♪ >> laura: china's devastate of the global economy with >> laura: china has devastated a global virus with a virus that it we don't know for sure, but the communist regime still has plenty of friends in high places. >> high which respond to the charge that the chinese covered this up. they essentially do see the rest of the world and as a result, they should be held in some way responsible for this? >> that's a distraction. i think there's a lot of incorrect things. the president even says is not time for that distraction discussion.>> laura: when is ito discuss? are you worried that the communistre regime may close the gates foundation? china has paid propagandists were happy to spread that gates clipped far and wide.

last week when we expose the troubling ties between china and the w.h.o. director general {flush tedros >> i assure you that the w.h.o. gives the best advice we can based on science and evidence. >> laura: really? this is what the w.h.o. tweeted out on january 14th. for luminary investigations conducted b by the chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human to human transmission of the novel coronavirus. this of course is a talking point pushed by the chinese government at the time to join me now is dinesh d'souza, conservative commentator andmm author of the upcoming book "united states of socialism." dinesh, good to see you. we know that china got tedros elected to the w.h.o., but why

is bill gates doing what he's doing given what we know what they do in totality? >> it's a little bit of a puzzle. i don't subscribe to the idea that gates is part of some kind of global conspiracy or trying to peddle his own drugs. i think his motives here are benign. but i think gates is wedded to this globalist ideology. the key point here is that globalism is the ideology of the coronavirus pandemic because, think about it, globalization is the free movement of people, goods, and that means when you have a virus that's going to spread very quickly because of the intimate global contact among people, gates is a big believer of this ideology and it's this ideology that made the virus however it started in china spread so fast. gates doesn't want to point a finger at globalization so i think he is trying to keep the finger pointed at trump. when he says it's a distraction, a distraction from what? it's a distraction i guess from the idea of the media pointing

the blame at trump, even though this was a chinese virus let loose possibly from a chinese lab and the chinese suppressed the data of its spread that could've left with all the other countries on alert and prevented this from becoming the horrific outcome that it has become. >> laura: you mention the globalism for bill clinton's former u.n. ambassador, speaking of globalist, warning against blaming china for speed 26 watch. >> it's counterproductive to blame china, to cut them off, to cut off the world health organization. we need china when it comes to north korea, to keep the sanctions on. 90% of the trade into north korea goes into china. i would be careful about alienating china too much. >> laura: does he have a some point there? they do make a lot of our drugs. the south china sea is pretty important. we have the north koreaav issue. >> there's absolutely no question that we should be dealing with china. but the question is whether we should be dealing with china in

the kind of promiscuous way, or should we be dealing with china in a kind of cautious way, recognizing that many points both in foreign policy as well as in trade, their interests are adversarial to ours. that doesn't mean you don't do business but it means you do y business with your eyes open. >> laura: eyes wide open, reagan and the soviet union. he had a different approach, didn't he? dinesh, great to see you. remember the doctors from the top of the show?he we got a shocking update to their story. you don't want to miss it. next.

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♪ >> laura: all right, we have such a huge reaction to the two doctors we had at the shannon: we got such a huge direction to the 2 docs we had the officer, dan erickson and martin mayhehe, youtube down viral video challenging the covid-19 narrative about california. this is what they warned about, this isn't about science, this is about control, but control of the narrative. we should have seen it coming. youtube cnn was on eight is go saying anything that would go against world health organization recommendations would be violation of policy, removal is another important part of our policy. if you aren't worried about censorship you had better be

now, not the government doing it but something that controls so much of the dialogue is fairly close to the kind of censorship by never thought we would see in this country, that is truly terrifying. shannon bream in the fox news at night team, they take it from here. shannon: there was an interesting interview, people can watch for themselves, look at the data, make an important decision, don't have to agree with the doctors but it is thought-provoking. shannon: not anymore. >> i guess we watched it and that is it. we begin with a fox news alert is multiple states begin the process of reopening as business owners and residents dip their toes into our new normal. on the west coast california governor gavin newsom was residents hitting the beach he may rollout a more aggressive lockdown order if they don't stay home. wire different states