many, dealing out the window open your front door? >> ed: i think i can see the hudson. i will head over there right now. great day with you, sandra. >> sandra: fantastic. ed, again, congratulations. >> ed: thank you very much. >> sandra: thanks for watching, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump meeting with florida governor ron desantis at the white house to discuss plans to reopen the sunshine state. we will bring that to you just as soon as we get it. this, as governors across the country are facing a growing push to begin reopening their shattered economies. now texas governor greg abbott announcing his plans to do just that. starting friday, texas will allow some businesses like stores, restaurants, and movie theaters to begin reopening with limited capacity. lieutenant governor dan patrick a short time ago on why the state is doing this now. >> we are looking at this, and

we believe that our texans have done a good job of keeping this virus down. we think for a capita where the lowest death rate in the world, pretty much. that's how we are looking at it. >> melissa: in the meantime, president trump unveiling a plan to ramp up coronavirus testing nationwide. the white house says it is prepared to send out enough tests to screen at least two -- 2% of the residents in the state. we want to take you to this life picture right now. this is the flyover that is going on right here around new york city. it is in newark, new york city, and it will head along down to central new jersey and philadelphia, pennsylvania. these are the blue angels, and the thunderbirds, coming out to the skies in order to salute the first responders and the health care workers and everyone who has worked so hard to get

our country and this area in particular through this crisis. very exciting to see. as you see them go through the sky right now, there's going to be another pass later this afternoon. but this is something that our whole area has been looking so forward to. i know my kids have all run to a window to throw it open and try to see these guys go by. what an exciting moment it is to see them fly in formation. the thunderbirds and the blue angels, saluting first responders and hospital workers on the front lines. three groups of 12 jets will fly in formation in separate flights in and around the area. i want to bring in dagen mcdowell, who is on the couch with us today. is it true you flown with these guys, dagen? >> dagen: the air force thunderbirds graciously took me up in 2011. i flew from daytona beach, florida, down over cape canaveral. it is probably the most thrilling thing i've ever done in my life. but there is really nothing like

hearing these jets fly overhead, seeing them fly in formation. but to have the air force thunderbirds alongside the navy blue angels is really a sight to behold. people were running up on the roof hours ago in my building trying to get a sight of them. what an honor for all of the health care workers in this extremely hard hit areas the country. it takes all of our breath away for the right reasons. >> melissa: they were talking earlier, i heard, about how normally the president knows to visit a place where there's been some devastation, raise the spirits of those who have been there to try and help others. of course, given the situation we have right now, we are all still supposed to be apart, so you can't really do that. there's been conversation about what can be done to raise people's spirits and really to

say thank you and to salute those people on the front lines who have given so much to help others. in some places, they've given their own lives. they have sacrificed their own health, the health of their families, in order to go to these e.r.s thomas to respond on the right down my front line, to write in as paramedics, to do all of these things. every 7:00 p.m. in new york city because outside and cheer the top of our lungs. it is really something that raise your spirits. this is a new way, to reach out and say, "hey, newark, new jersey, connecticut," this whole area over here where we've been hit so hard, "here's the way we are showing our appreciation." juan williams is on the couch, as well. as you watch these guys fly into formation -- i was going to my old house, i hope my kids have put down their distance learning and gotten to a window so they can look outside and see this

going on. juan, what are your thoughts on this? >> juan: for me, it's always a matter of wonder. i sure your kids' delight. it's something to lift the spirits in this moment, when so much just feels like anxiety would rule our lives. i get a big kick out of it. normally it's something reserved for the fourth of july, memorial day, those kinds of celebrations. occasionally i would see it at a baseball game, at the world series last year i was honored to see them. for me, it's a big kick. as dagen was pointing out, to see the combination of the two services together, that is unique. this is a once-in-a-lifetime type thing. of course, we are going through once-in-a-lifetime experience. i just think for new york, new jersey, heading on down to pennsylvania, i just think it is a tremendous, tremendous tribute to our health care workers. god bless them. >> melissa: it is. katie, there has been a lonely

feeling for people, as you are separated from your friends. if you're lucky enough to be in a home where you have either siblings or family, it is such a blessing at this time. but so many people are on their own right now. to have a moment of connection is so meaningful. what are your thoughts? >> katie: yeah. when i watch these jets, to me it means the signs and sites of america. from the beginning, we've all been told that were all in this together. that's absolutely true. the new york area, new jersey, and philadelphia have been hit the hardest. but around the country everybody has done their part to try and flatten the curve so we can all move on as a country. so, to see the blue angels there, i saw them last summer flying over the national mall in washington, d.c. it is something you never forget seeing or hearing. it does give you some hope as to where we are going as a country, and the success we've really seen in mitigating a lot of

this, and remembering those who have lost their lives tragical tragically, honoring those who have helped save countless others. >> melissa: dr. nesheiwat, i mean, this is for you. you're one of those emergency doctors who has been right on the front lines through this whole thing. when you haven't been in the e.r., even with us, trying to bring a message of hope and inspiration and information, most importantly, to the audience. what do you think about this? >> dr. nesheiwat: this is so awe-inspiring to me. it is a symbol of strength and resilience and hope, we have so many positive memories, we are a country that can conquer everything together if we unite together, one another. it shows we really can accomplish anything. we are getting there. i strongly feel that we are on the right path to getting this virus underneath us. >> melissa: i hope you know

how grateful we all are, dr. nesheiwat. >> dr. nesheiwat: it's an honor and a privilege for me to be able to take care of patients and serving this community and act as a servant leader, just to help educate and give back. it is certainly a privilege. >> melissa: and as we continue to watch this, we are also going to bring in that little square you see at the bottom. we are waiting to hear from the president right now, as we have florida governor desantis. he's been meeting with him and talking about his state's plans to reopen and move forward. that is certainly the question that is front of mind for everyone. bringing the couch back in now, dagen, it's a difficult balance as we look at these states. a lot of them are asking for money, because they have lost so much revenue. some of it due to the fact of the coronavirus, whether it is sales tax or income tax, they would have collected.

or money they have spent in order to support the population. you know, there's also states that spent themselves away into a whole long before this crisis ever started. now we are at the point where states are trying to be open, and some of them are saying, "i can't do it unless you give me money." some of that is legitimate and some is not. how do you parse it? >> dagen: i think would be hard for anyone what did you in washington to deny the states. the airlines got bailed out by the federal government pay that's got to be hard for a lot of people to swallow, regardless of what a state's budget situation was like in the days, months, and even years leading up to this pandemic hitting the united states. i think it administration is definitely stepping up with what the states do need, and that's additional court needed testing. because one of those kind of hiccups in the process has been the shortage of supplies, like

swabs and chemical reagents, that shortage seems to be easing. new york and georgia have already tested more than 2% of their populations, but this is going to be an ongoing problem. just one quick thing i will add, in terms of jobs that will be added. you heard this from the texas governor, abbott, that they are going to need to add hundreds if not thousands of individuals to do contact tracing. texas is going to have to hire a thousand people to do that nationwide we are going to need at least 100,000 additional individuals working in the local county health offices. the number of people working in those health agencies is down about 25% since 2008. if there are jobs that are going to be available, it's going to be in the area of contact tracing. >> melissa: i'm glad you brought that up. dr. nesheiwat, i want to ask you, because i got an email last night from the urgent care on my corner that they were doing

antibody testing. i went down this morning about 45 minutes before they opened and they were already about a dozen people in line. i stood in line and got inside and got an antibody test. to me, it seems like they were not turning anyone away, and i got alerted to this by another anchor who got an email from his -- his wife got an email from another location saying, "hey, got the tests." so it seems like, at least in the new york area, they are starting to be available on a large basis. because these are just to cope regular people who got alerted, we went down. in my case, they weren't turning anybody away. there were large groups of people coming and saying, "i want to be cleared coming here with my employer who is paying to go back to work." that's finally here. >> dr. nesheiwat: yes, we have come such a long way. if you look at the ingenuity and the advancement as far as the paradigm for testing, we've come a long way. it's not just antibody testing,

we now have fda approved home testing. we have saliva testing where you can spit into a tube if you don't want blood drawn we are no swab. and we have probably what you had this morning, the antibody testing to check for previous infection. you can also check for current infection through the blood in addition to the nasal swabs. this is what we need. this is what we need so we can reopen the economy safely. not just a one-time test, but you have the ability to test maybe every two weeks or every month. because it takes about 14 days for these antibodies to develop. definitely moving in the right direction. i'm very hopeful and excited that we finally have these tests available. >> melissa: that's a great point i want to make, because they did tell me this morning they wanted to make sure i was four weeks out from when i thought i could have been in contact with someone. otherwise i could get no antibodies, and here they just haven't been produced yet. they said they don't know how it's going to last. they will be alerting me when i need to come back for another test, as well.

they said everybody coming in today only asked for the antibody test. that they are not swabbing any longer. that it's really about this blood test to see, "did you have it, where are you in the game?" does not match what you are hearing, dr. nesheiwat? >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely. there are still many types of tests. you maybe asymptomatic, you might have symptoms. we can test your blood for current infection, or you can be swabbed. there are still some people who have coronavirus. yesterday i had a patient with a double pneumonia coronavirus. there are still sick people out there. yes, the blood test can tell you, did you have previous immunity? if he did, how long are you going to be immune for? those of the questions, and that's why we recommend repeat testing. a lot of people will have those questions, of previous immunity, current infection. when should you be retested? all questions that can be answered when you go and for that blood testing that is available now, which is really exciting. i will look to order it at my workplace, as well.

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>> melissa: okay, we are waiting to get those remarks from the president as he is there with florida governor ron desantis and others joining him there, as well.

we understand larry kudlow is there, as well. i will bring the rest of the group in maybe to respond to some of these comments, saying that the economy, they think next year will be "unbelievably strong." katie, let me ask you. they shifted a little bit in terms of when they think this economy is going to be bound. originally steve mnuchin had said in the second quarter, they are talking about the third quarter. it doesn't behoove them to get people's hopes up too high. it is better to under promise and over deliver, is it not? >> katie: certainly in politics that is usually the way that they like to handle things. i think the president, as he has done since the beginning of this, is trying to walk the line of being helpful but also sober about what the reality is both economically in terms of health.

melissa, we've talked about this before on the show. this isn't just going to depend on governments deciding to open up their economies and lift the stay-at-home orders. a lot of it, most of it, depends on whether americans are willing to go out to restaurants and to theaters and to actually put themselves in situations where there may not be as much social distancing. they are fearful, too, if this virus comes back they may get sick or lose their jobs later on. the government can do what they can to free the marketplace to get reengaged in making money again. if people don't go out and consume in a service-based society, it's going to be difficult for people to get the economy back on its feet again. >> melissa: yes. juan, great point i heard someone make this morning was this idea that just because your state or your area is opening, you don't have to open your business. they are saying you may open your business. i think one of the things that might help with this reopening is the fact that we don't all feel the same.

that some of us do want to go out and go back and get services again. other people don't feel comfortable going back out. so it kind of will naturally lead to people going out, sort of not all at once. what are your thoughts? >> juan: i think that's right. the thing about it is, who has to go out? you stop and think about why people feel frustrated. i think we are all suffering from cabin fever. we'd all like to get out. we saw that on the beaches in california last week, we've seen it done in florida. everybody would like to be free. even as i get the frustration, you have to understand that if we all get together, if we all get out at the same time, it could lead to a spike. and a second round of people asking to be sheltered in place. that would obviously be self-defeating. to your point, if you are right now suffering economically, if you are saying, "i just need to get a paycheck, i need to pay

the rent," or whatever, you are in a situation where you have no choice. you want to get back to work as quickly as possible. people who -- i mean, i'm thinking of all of us sitting here on the couch, the virtual couch. we don't have to do that in that way. we can continue working. i think there are lots of people who can work from home. so it's almost like an economic split, about who has to go back and who doesn't have to go back. and when it comes to a point about the restaurants, katie was mentioning this, i think people are going to be slow. especially people with large amounts of disposable income, to put themselves back into a crowded situation. that's why the sports leagues, for example, i think are pretty far away from resuming the gam games. >> dagen: welcome actually -- >> melissa: day again, i don't know who in this economy has large amounts of disposable income any longer. [laughs] as juan mentioned. was that you about a pipe and on

the games? >> dagen: i was going to say nascar is trying to get back on the tracks in mid-may, without a crowd in the stands, but the governor of north carolina deemed the nascar teams essential businesses so people could get back in the race shops and get those cars ready to get back on the track, it maybe in south carolina down at darlington. so there is a movement afoot. not to talk about myself, but i was at the green market over the weekend, in the heart of new york city, in union square. you know what? people were making it happen. there were blocks, and chalk on the ground of where you should stand to get in line at all the different booths. you had to line up to get in. people here in new york city, we always focus on these protests in other states. people are hot mad in new york about their business is being shut down, and about them being cooped up in their homes.

because, you know what? the american people could be trusted to do the right thing, keep their distance from folks, stay at home when they could, even to wear masks to bend the curve. they've done that. so, why can't they be trusted to do the right thing now that businesses are opening? >> melissa: yeah, dr. nesheiwat, let me ask you about that. juan also said those people who have to go to work -- i don't know many people who work who don't have to go to work. i mean, especially at this point, given how precarious situations are. if you're lucky enough to have a paycheck, certainly the rest of your finances have been decimated or somebody else in your family has lost their job and you are supporting that person. can we be trusted to go back out at this point, dr. nesheiwat? >> dr. nesheiwat: yes, i think so. you're right, everyone has a put food on the table, pay for kids clothing and food intuition and the rent. it comes down to responsibility

and educating and making sure families and patients know how to protect themselves. and businesses understand that they can protect the community and their employees by having a plan and a protocol in place. meaning, what are you going to do if someone comes into your restaurant or your hair salon or your tattoo parlor? are you going to make sure you have those markings for people to stand 6 feet away? are you going to have people dine in or just take out only? are you going to have that hand sanitizer, temperature checks, until people can go for testing? i think it's a culmination of having these completed, organize methods and steps for people to take so they know what to do to protect themselves, and so they feel safe. a lot of americans are very smart, even if the stores open, do you really want to go over there and risk getting sick? that's what we have these phased reopening's, making sure we have that downward trajectory and moving to phase 1. we do have two remember that phase 1 and 2 includes that the

most vulnerable populations after shelter at home because there at the highest risk. driven else, they can go about they do the activity if they adhere to the guidelines. >> melissa: yeah. it's interesting, and there are some businesses where it'll be very challenging to figure out how to social distance. whether it's the airlines, or restaurants where if they don't get a certain number of people inside it doesn't make sense for them to open because they can't cover their costs with that few customers. those are going to be all things that we have to sort through, but now we are going to hear from the president as he stands there with some of his top advisors, and they tackle some of these specific questions. he is there with florida governor desantis in the oval office, and we are going to go and listen to it. let's all listen. speak of the stay at home order expires on thursday >> i did an essential business order, so we kept a lot of things going safely, and i think

people conflate all these around the country. i kept construction going. i get accelerated road projects in florida, because the traffic was down. so we are doing i 4 and orlando, bridges and tempo. we have a lot of things going. that is through april 30th. i've worked with the white house on kind of going to phase 1. i'm going to make an announcement tomorrow. for florida, going from where we are now to phase 1 is not a very big leap. i think we will be able to be a small step for us. we will approach it in a very measured, thoughtful, and data-driven way. is it most of the folks throughout the state are looking for. >> president trump: ron saw the empty roads. he was telling before, i assassinated. he saw the empty roads all over florida, staying at home. that this is a great time to build roads, to fix bridges. they were fixing bridges down there were normally there would be a traffic nightmare, and they are fixing bridges and there's hardly any traffic. because we've been able to

accelerate key projects by as much as two months. as people get back into the swing of things, this is a gradual process. you're going to end up having reduced congestion, probably more than we've ever done in such a short period of time. i think it was taking advantage of an opportunity. >> reporter: more tests, is that the norm in the country, do you think? >> president trump: it's true in other places. it's definitely true in iran, it seems to be true with the governors have done the proper b utilizing us in the services we provide. it's also true in certain other locations. >> just so people don't get a missed impression. we have sites and nature areas in our state, we have more capacity. these walk-up sites have gone into areas that were underserved. you do have a demand there. i think we differently have enough supplies, but the key is going to be finding pockets that maybe we are not testing as much. obviously we've got testing

everywhere in miami, because they have the most cases. we have testing and other parts. so i think this walk-up site is going to give us some confidence we are going into places that may have been overlooked, giving people easy access. i also just recently suspended any regulation that would prevent licensed pharmacists from administering tests, cvs and walmart. i think they're interested in doing this for walgreens. you could maybe go in there and the licensed pharmacist would be able to test you. that's going to be very convenient for an awful lot of people. >> reporter: mr. president, overall south korea has done five times more tests than the u.s. per capita. why is that? >> president trump: i don't think that's true. reported mike that is true. >> president trump: i don't think it's true. who are you with? >> yahoo! news. >> president trump: do you want to respond to that, do you have the numbers? >> sure, i have the numbers. remember early on, we pushed tests to the outbreak areas. just like he described. his primary outbreak was in

miami-dade and broward counties, and palm beach. so they pushed tests into that region. we did the same thing in the united states. if you look at every single state that had an outbreak, their testing is greater than anywhere in the world, and the 42 per thousand range. >> reporter: your point is taken, but overall we had 14 times more infections than south korea. are we doing something wrong, and why is that? they have a very dense population. >> our epidemic looks much more like the european epidemic. right now we are tracking very close to the countries in europe, and we are testing at their rate of their concentrated epidemics. and where they are occurring in the metros. i think it really shows the susceptibility of our major cities, in the same way they were susceptible in europe. so we've been very focused on that. that's not to say -- >> reporter: -- >> there is no state right now in the united states that has tested less than 1%, which is

pretty remarkable when they don't really have significant cases. but we've been really working with states to do sentinel surveillance, and to also reach out to her native american populations as well as our inner cities. now that we've expanded testing dramatically, and cdc has altered the criteria for testing, i think you will see governors have unlocked more and more potential in their laboratories. we know we have more laboratory capacity. you hear the governors talk about that we have capacity and we have to match resources that you need. the swabs in the extraction media, with the capacity. i think governors are well aware of how much. we are in that partnership, that's what was announced yesterday. we want testing linked to critical contact tracing. we also want testing as he described. the governor described a really important insight. he went where the virus could cause the most damage to human beings. he went into the nursing homes to really proactively test.

>> president trump: that's true also throughout the country. >> that's why it's in the blueprint. i think some of the press didn't hear how much we were emphasizing the a symptomatic testing. we believe that the critical part of this. you can't approach this like you've just traditionally approached flu. you have to be more innovative. we've been in a strong partnership with the governors, and i think that's why the blueprint was so important, because it talked about symptomatic testing and a symptomatic testing to protect the most vulnerable individuals. what it did come in the nursing fatality rates -- >> in a nursing home situation, if that starts getting out, man, that is a pretty good varmint for this virus to just start spreading. it can spread like wildfire. that's what you're trying to do. >> reporter: you said you were planning to announce tomorrow -- >> we are going to make an announcement tomorrow. i created a task force, and i

have all kinds of folks, we have some of the great health systems, we have great docs, business folks, elected officials, they submitted a report to me. i will be reviewing that today. obviously we are thinking about what we need to do, so we will announce it tomorrow, about the next steps forward for florida. >> reporter: governor, your flights coming from latin america to miami. we see increases in latin america and south america paid aren't you worried? >> i've been worried about this the whole time. i think brazil and some of those places would have a lot of interaction with, you're going to probably see the epidemic increase there as their season changes. we could potentially be way on the other side doing well in florida, and you could have people come in. one of the things i've mentioned to the president is you have this abbott labs test. if you have some of these international flights, maybe some of airliners, it should be on them to check before they are getting on and coming to this country so we are able to keep

it. you've seen what happened with the china flight restrictions. that kept a lot of people from feeding the west coast more. if we are in a situation, you could potentially have hot spots coming in. i think we are technology likely don't like them i took logically more adventure there should be something like that. i've advocated for that, talk to other governors about it. for florida, clearly that'll be an issue. >> president trump: cutting off brazil? >> not necessarily cut them off, but if you're going to fly to miami, the airlines should give you the abbott test and put you on a plane. >> president trump: would you ever want a ban, certain countries? >> if they were ceding the united states. >> president trump: you let us know. >> i would say in the united states -- or florida, excuse me -- despite all the international travel, we have so may people who go to miami, orlando, all that. if you look at our outbreak, not a lot of it is tied to that. it's mostly tied to new york city travel than to southern florida.

the orlando situation is worlds different than palm beach and broward and miami-dade. but yet they have as much international travel as anybody, and yet as of this morning i think orlando had 50 people hospitalized in that whole area for covid-19. i mean, people were predicting there would be hundreds of thousands hospitalized in florida by this time. so they have had a really modest outbreak. south beach florida, by other standards, not as bad as other parts of the country. that's really part of a domestic seating than international. >> president trump: will be in touch on that. >> reporter: when i require that people take test for international flights, and why not require -- >> president trump: we will look at that, and will probably be doing that. still has an outbreak, as you know. they went a different way than south america. you look at the chart, you see what happened, unfortunately, to brazil. we're looking at a very closely, and we are in coordination with other governors, also. in particular with ron.

we will make a decision pretty soon. we are looking at that. it's a very big thing to do. again, we did with china, i did it with europe. that's a very big thing to do, and certainly a very big thing to do to florida because you have so much business from south america. so we'll be looking at that. >> for our yahoo gentlemen, i just want to make it clear that south korea's testing was 11 per 100,000, and we are at 17 per 100,000. >> president trump: are you going to apologize, yahoo? that's why you are yahoo, no he knows who the hell you are. that's why nobody knows you are, including me. go ahead. you are to get your facts right. your facts are wrong. >> just to clarify what you were talking about, you look at cutting off more international travel from latin america? >> president trump: no, we're talking to the governor. we are talking with others, also, that has a lot of this is coming in from south america,

len america. will make a determination. we are also setting up a system we redo some testing, and we are working with the airlines on that. testing before getting on the plane. it'll be both. >> reporter: governor desantis, you got it criticism for not closing your status i'm dead. >> you're looking at the most accordion orders issued in some of the states. complaint florida in terms of our hospitalizations for 100,000. in terms of our fatalities. you go from d.c., maryland, new jersey, new york, connecticut, massachusetts, michigan, indiana, ohio, illinois, you name it, florida has done better. are not criticizing those states, but everyone in the media was saying florida would be like new york or italy. that has not happened because we understood we have a big, diverse state. we understood the outbreak was not uniform throughout the state. we had a tailored and measured approach that not only helped

our numbers be way below what anybody predicted, but also did less damage to our state going forward. i had construction going on, the road projects, but we did in a safe way and we did it i think in a way that is probably more sustainable over the long term. i think people could go back and look at all the criticism and then look now and nobody predicted. we have challenges, it's not an easy situation. we have had people in the hospital. i'm now in a situation where i have less than 500 people in a state of 22 million on ventilators as of last night. i have 6,500 ventilators that are sitting idle, unused, throughout the state of florida. >> reporter: my question is, you face that criticism, you have these numbers are sharing. are you concerned at all about another outbreak coming this summer or this fall and not being ready? >> of course, that's why the whole thing were doing, it's a novel virus. it's unpredictable.

we are in a situation we have so many more tools to be able to detect. one of the things i was talking to dr. birx about, we have a fully integrated health care system with the counties. we have been doing contact tracing from the very beginning. sure, once the outbreak gets to a certain point, the mitigation is really what you do, the contact tracing is not going to be able to stop, likes what's going on in new york city. in florida we have such an uneven outbreak, we were doing contact tracing throughout this whole time and parts of the state that the outbreak wasn't as severe. they limited the spread, and to that very effectively. that's going to be a huge part of what we are doing going forward. we think that can be successful, and we are going to have so many more opportunities with sentinel surveillance, with the nursing homes. nothing is going to change on the nursing home testing. until this virus goes away, this is the population that is most at risk. in florida, we have close to 85% of the fatalities that have been

age 65 or older. most of them have some comorbidities. these are the types of facilities that are the most at risk. we are going to continue protecting the elderly. we have message that very early, about the risky, how they should stay home. i wasn't going to arrest and elderly if they left their house. we told them, limit contacts because you are more at risk. you go to a place like the villages, there were articles written saying, "oh, it's going to crash and burn," all this other stuff. they have like a 2.5% infection rate. we tested 1200 a sum to medic and none were found to have the virus. this is the message of understanding, the risks are different for different parts of our communities, age and health, and continuing. i think you will see however we move forward, i will announce that soon. you are going to see even more attention paid to the

vulnerable. i think that's what we need to be doing. >> president trump: ron said one thing that was very interesting. you talk about ventilators, that they were going to be a disaster in florida. we sent them thousands of ventilators. in the meantime, we have thousands of ventilators that aren't used and we will be able to send them probably to other countries. you build up your stockpile. italy, france, numerous. spain, we are sending to spain. i spoke today to nigeria, they want -- they will do anything for ventilators. we are going to send at least 200 ventilators to nigeria, probably more than that. ventilators were going to be a big problem, and now we have an incredible amount of work by the federal government. we have a big, big, beautiful capacity. it's the same thing with testing. the only thing is the press doesn't give credit for that, because no matter what tests you do, they will say, "oh, he should have done this. he should have tested

325 million people 37 times." the testing is going very well. this is the example of the partnership between the federal government and state government. ron has been great. some of your friends, some of the other governors, have done a good job. and some haven't done a very good job, i'll be honest with you. some have not. >> one of the things, jared, he had a team of going about in figuring out where the ventilators would be needed. when everybody was talking about 40,000 ventilators in new york, i'm in contact with jared about florida, new york. he said they would need that. i was like, "i agree with your numbers, i don't think we need any ventilators in florida right now. maybe things will change." and they were ready at a moment's notice to get the ventilators wherever they need. i think we may have just gotten 100 at the beginning from fema, but we never got an emergency shipment because we didn't need it. but they were absolutely ready, willing, and able to do that once the data suggested -- >> president trump: they were on call, a lot of people expected it when we read reports from the papers. i would call ron and say, "ron,

i think we might need thousands based on what some faux news organization saying." number one, it was well handled. we are ready to move, we still are. we have more than 10,000. jared, what do we have? more than 10,000 and stockpile. >> more than 10,000 and it's growing every day. we are getting a lot more in then we are sending out. >> president trump: will be able to help other countries, which is a good thing. not only allies, countries that need help. we're talking about a lot of countries that need help. >> reporter: is there anything your administration might be doing in the future to make sure that there is enough supplies? >> president trump: we are working with tyson, we're going to sign an executive order today, i believe. that will solve any liability problems where they have certain liability problems. we'll be in very good shape. we're working with tyson, one of the big companies in that world. we always work with the farmers. this pontiff supplies, as you know. there's plenty of supply, it's

distribution. and we will probably have that today solved. it's a very unique circumstance, because of liability. >> reporter: can you clarify what your intelligence advisors were telling you back in january and february? where you warned about what was happening with coronavirus and the threat to this country? should there have been stronger warnings? what were you hearing every day? >> president trump: i think probably a lot more than the democrats. a month later, nancy pelosi was saying, "let's dance in the streets of chinatown." you go back, even professionals were on mike like anthony were saying this was no problem. this is going to blow over. and they are professionals. they are good professionals. most people thought this was going to blow over, and i think on january 8 -- toward end of january we did a band with china. you just set a little while ago, that was a very important step. ultimately we do the ban on europe.

that was very early in the process. if you take the band and he look at it, i was very badly criticized by sleepy joe biden and by others. i was criticized horribly. he said all sorts of things, we won't even say it. and then he apologized, because she weeks ago he put out a statement that i was right. we did a ban. as you know, we did a ban. many people, democrats, professionals, probably republicans, said this would never happen. that would be nothing, no big problem. you saw this i think better than anybody, deborah. this was after the ban, so obviously i took very seriously. i will be banning from china coming and if i didn't take it through sleep. and i did that early. >> reporter: are you getting warnings in your -- >> president trump: i would have to check. i want to look at the exact dates of warnings. but i can tell you this, when i did the ban on china, almost everybody was against me,

including republicans. they thought it was far too harsh, that it wasn't necessary. professionals, republicans and democrats, almost everybody disagreed. that was very early. i think we saved -- whether it was luck, talent, or something else, we saved many thousands of lives. anthony said that, you were saying that, a lot of people. i think you'd have a much different situation right now if we didn't do the ban. we also did a ban, as you know, earlier. we did a ban in europe sometime after. >> reporter: after the ban on travel from china, 40,000 people came into guide states. american citizens, largely. in hindsight, looking back, should there have been steps made to quarantine those people who were coming back? >> there where. in florida we had hundreds of people that were under investigation by our health department. they were asked to quarantine for 14 days. anyone that was coming back from china. the wuhan area and hubei

province, they had to self isolate before they even got to florida. we had hundreds of people under investigation during this time. actually, none of them ended up testing positive. the ones that develop symptoms, a lot of them didn't develop symptoms. that was being done in florida, and we were very much viewing it as a china deal. of course, new york eventually eventually -- >> president trump: the people that we let that come as you know, their american citizens. what are you going to do, you can't go back into your country? it's not like we were thrilled, either. i said, "we have these people coming back." all american citizens, just about all american citizens, there's not much you can do about that. in hindsight, the states -- i know ron was doing a lot of testing, and the individual states were doing it. in cooperation with the federal government. originally it was, "oh, 40,000 people came in." with the news doesn't say is they happen to be american citizens. how do you keep american citizens -- they are coming in

from china, they want to come back to the country, there's a tremendous problem in china. they want to come back. are we supposed to say to an american's and said, "you can't go back and your country?" individual states did testing or were supposed to have. anybody else? >> reporter: the executive order, regarding the meat supply, it seems like the issue right now is with the processing plants close down there all these animals that can't be processed into meat for the american supermarkets. >> president trump: probably today we will have that. it's a rose dell microblog. we will have that done today. you can speak to the chief and a little while if you'd like. he will give you specific. i don't know if you like that because there will be any cameras running, but if you'd like to get a real answer you can speak to the chief. >> reporter: the first airline to mandate passengers wear masks on planes, is that something you are considering rolling out? >> president trump: who did? >> reporter: jetblue. >> president trump: to me, sounds like a good idea. >> reporter: governors, you have thousands of tourists coming from canada.

>> not right now, we don't pray but normally. >> have you been able to evaluate how much the economy of your state is losing from the board is being closed? what is your feeling about things going back to something normal at for the visitors coming from canada? >> i think a lot of this is confidence, building confidence with the public, that the next step is going to be done thoughtfully, it's going to be done in a measured way, and it's going to be done with an eye to making sure that we are not pretending that this virus doesn't exist. you have to make safety a priority. i will say, though, i think there is a path to do that. if you look at florida's outbreak, just think of all the people who are in florida. january, february, disney was going although until mid-march. we didn't have outbreaks tied to a lot of that stuff, for whatever reason. maybe it's because most of our activities are outdoors. it's probably not as an efficient vector when you're outside in the sun compared to close contact indoors.

all these different people in these industries, part of my task force -- and this isn't going to happen overnight -- they are all thinking about innovative ways to be able to do different things and do it safely. and we've seen that even on the basic level of, if you go and drive by home depot now, they will be 6 feet apart waiting to go in the store, and they are doing it. people are adapting and innovating. i think that will happen. i don't think it will happen overnight. i think we are going to have to be measured and thoughtful. but i think, as people see different things can happen safely, i think the confidence factor will go up. clearly, financially, it's an issue for florida. any time people come, they end up paying tax on that. you look at just the theme parks and the amount of tax they contribute to the state. fortunately, we have billions of dollars in reserve. even with that, you are facing a hit, there's no doubt about it. report don my >> president trump: i think the fourth quarter is going be really strong, and a

thick next year will be a tremendous year. that's with building, that's my opinion. third-quarter is a transition quarter. second quarter is what it is, but we are in this period where we want to see where the numbers are. the third quarter's is a transition. i think fourth quarter will be credibly strong. i think next he will be an unbelievably strong year. kevin and larry, would you like to say something about that? >> why don't you start. >> i would just say, look, we know we are in a deep contraction with rising unemployment. it's a lot of hardships, a lot of difficulty to read the president's rescue package, which really totals $9 trillion between the treasury and the fed, has helped to cushion the blow. so that is point number one. we will take the hit, it's very bad, very difficult. we are doing what we can. as the governor said, as confidence returns with safety features, data-driven, people

are anxious to go back to work. it's interesting to me, the congressional budget office as well as "wall street journal" survey of economists both predicting very significant pickups in growth in the second half of the year. almost 20% growth increases. so, that's a good sign. the president has commissioned us to study middle-class tax relief, middle-class regulatory relief, infrastructure development, insurance liability protections for small business businesses. again, middle-class. i think people are anxious to go to work. there's going to be a lot of pent up demand. so, i am optimistic about the future. this current situation, as my great friend and colleague, kevin, has said, it's going to be the worst we've seen, probably. nonetheless, that will be temporary. i believe it passes. that's what some of these surveys are telling us. >> president trump: larry, i want to do payroll tax cut. i thought that was the best

thing, but the democrats did not want to give it to us. so we went a different way. which is fine, but i wanted a payroll tax -- >> both of us agree. >> president trump: i think they should have done a payroll tax. democrats did not want to payroll tax cut, and i think that's a mistake. >> reporter: mr. president, congress comes back next week. let me try to figure out the elephant in the room, if there is an element of the room. what about the idea of aid to states? governor, what do you think of this? capitol hill, washington, sending money to individual states who may be suffering severely through lost revenue and picking up a lot of -- >> president trump: i think there's a big difference from a state that lost money because of covid and a state that's been run really badly for 25 years. there's a big difference, in my opinion. we have to talk about things like payroll tax cuts. we have to talk about things like sanctuary cities, eggs and example. i think century city's is something that has to be brought

up. people who are criminals are protected, they are protected from prosecution. i think that has to be done. that's one of the problems of states have. i don't think even know they have a problem, but they have a big problem. the sanctuary city situation. we have to talk about a lot of different things. we are certainly open to talking, but it would really have to be covid-related, not related to mismanagement over long term, over a long period of time. >> reporter: you make that much of a distinction. >> president trump: it's an important distinction to make. we are not looking to do a bailout for estate that -- it's unfair to many of the states, most of the states that have done such a good job. anything else? >> reporter: a follow-up to a question from yesterday. you spoke about having a sense of what's going on with kim jong un. can you say whether he is in

control of his country? >> president trump: i don't want to comment on it. i just wish him well. i don't want to comment on that. >> reporter: i'm sure you saw congress is supposed to come back next week. steny hoyer has just announced the house will not come back, but given they still have a stay-at-home order. is that a wise move or a bad move? >> president trump: the democrats don't want to come back. i think they should be back here, but they don't. they are enjoying their vacation. they shouldn't be. i think they are. you look at nancy pelosi eating ice cream on late-night television. yeah, they probably are. they're having a good time. i think they should be back. i think they should all come back and we should work on this together. thank you very much, everybody. >> melissa: okay, that was the president in the oval office there with some of his advisors, and also florida governor ron desantis. things that caught my attention, from larry kudlow, saying it's a $9 trillion package that they

are looking at middle-class taxe business relief, and agreeing with those estimates from "the wall street journal" and others that he said saw growth, something like 20% in the second half of the year after this period, which undoubtedly is going to be a bloodbath in terms of growth. dr. nesheiwat, let me ask you quickly, one of the big themes as florida has done better than a lot of people would have predicted they would in terms of the infection and the spread. do you agree with those stats, and what do you think they've done right? where could they do better? >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely. governor desantis is doing what every state in every governor should do. planning and preparation guided by data, slowly phasing the reopening of the economy. he's focusing on nursing homes where there's areas of outbreaks, focusing on undisturbed populations, african-americans, hispanic latinos, ensuring contact tracing and testing is available. i think he's doing all the right things, moving in the right direction overall.

>> melissa: yeah. dagen, there was a lot of talk of money there, and the rebound. it's worth noting the said has set up a facility, states and municipalities can go borrow money right now if they want to. there is plenty there for them. it's just that they want a gift. >> dagen: and that is how, by the way, larry kudlow comes up with that $9 trillion number. that includes the $2 trillion rescue package that was passed, but also the money that the federal reserve is leveraging with some of that money and all of these lending facilities, to rescue a whole host of corporations and also extending credit in some way to state and local governments. $9 trillion is 40%, roughly, of their gdp. so that's incredible amount of money. kevin hassett, who was sitting on the sofa next to larry kudl larry kudlow, he has made the comment about the negative shock that is coming to the united states.

but he -- we basically do need additional stimulus to make sure that we come back and come back strongly. >> melissa: juan, what jumped out to you? >> juan: well, i think the conversation about what happens in that next package, melissa. there is pressure right now from the states for federal help, and you've got to remember that people aren't getting a paycheck where their businesses are struggling, then they can't pay their property tax. so state revenues right now are hard-hit. the president, i think, is drawing the line between states that have been mismanaged fiscally over the last 25 years, is what i think he said. verses states that have been hard-hit in terms of financial responsibility for handling the covid crisis. it's hard to make a distinction if you are a firefighter, policeman, if you are an ems person or in the hospital. all those folks rely on state

funds. even our universities. >> melissa: yeah. katie, your thoughts? we have about a minute left. >> katie: yeah, i thought what president trump was saying about states, the qualifications for some kind of bailout or help in terms of being mismanaged before or simply needing help because they were affected by this disease, that's going to be key. in illinois, for example, pension bailout is something that's been talked about. that was a mismanaged program before his disease hit. i also thought ron desantis saying that building confidence with the public was an interesting point. also when he said he thinks that airlines should take some responsibility for testing on international flights coming into the country, especially into florida, that was another interesting one. getting airports on board with engaging in the testing process to get the economy back on tra track. >> melissa: it was true, he talked about people coming into the state. the president said, "do you need a ban from latin america," he kind of said, "nope, not right

now," the talked about the testing specifically. that will be up to airlines to test people before they came into this country. thanks to all of you on the virtual couch, thanks to our audience for watching. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. "outnumbered overtime" with harris starts now. ♪ >> harris: and we have a busy hour ahead. let's start here, the president, he watched just moments ago, he met with florida's governor ron desantis at the white house. that state is gearing up to unveil its reopening plans. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the florida governor said there will be an announcement tomorrow on the next steps toward reopening his state. governor desantis today pushed back on reporters while defending his response to the outbreak. >> everyone in the media would think florida is going to