! how dare you! how dare you, mayor de blasio! >> sean: i'd like to say let not your heart be troubled. mine is. laura ingraham, new york screwed up so bad. unbelievable failure. >> laura: i got to say, when people start complaining about the trump administration's response, going to pick up where you kind of left off on this, hannity, where is the whole of government approach including congress? we keep hearing about whole of government. >> sean: go to work. >> laura: i've been saying this since like march 20th when they weren't here. this is been going on for week after week after week and people are suffering. you're that poor lady crying. this is why no one takes them seriously. >> sean: they had nothing. saying go out on the town, go to place, we are prepared. they had nothing.

donald trump bailed them out and they send covid-19 patients or nursing homes. and they leave covid ships in the javits center n empty. >> laura: the truth does come up. fantastic show, love the fact that you handle that issue the way you did, it was terrific. >> sean: my heart is troubled, have a great show. >> laura: we will fight on. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. our coronavirus deaths being conflated with what was already a horrific clue and pneumonia season in the united states? "the ingraham angle" and a doctor have been looking into these numbers. there are a lot of questions that remain and we are going to bring you all the details and moments. plus, democrats in congress just announced, as i said as they are not going to show up to work next week. venerated leader kevin mccarthy is here to respond that is the white house about to sideline dr. fauci and dr. birx? newly minted press secretary

kayleigh mcenany is here to reveal the administration's new messaging strategy in this era of covid-19. and did you guys see this came at the department of defense just declassified some unbelievable videos of ufos. the net are going to speak to an expert who has no details about what we are seeing. but first, my thoughts at the end of day 43, america still in shutdown. now, i actually think i could do three hours of tv tonight, this is when i really miss my radio show, and i still wouldn't get through all of the material i have to get through. we are asking questions, we're doing the digging that old-time real journalists used to do, you know, in the olden days before obama worship and trump demonization became the 24/7 focus. well, most governors and mayors outside of the blue states have come to the realization that it's time to get on with it. it's time to move beyond a 24/7

focus on covid-19. it's time to move into recovery and renewal. not surprisingly, the red states are leading the way. >> we had it tailored and measured approach that not only helped our numbers be way below what anyone predicted, but also did less damage to our state going forward. a lot of this is confidence and building confidence with the public. >> i believe we can reengage our economy while still containing the coronavirus using these proven strategies. >> laura: at some point, we have to stop feeding the media on this topic. what i'm saying here is kind of a statement against interest because after all, our ratings are a fox in prime time have just soared during this pandem pandemic. you want to for different perspective and you get it from us. but tonight, speaking to you as a mom, as a friend, as an american, and i say, it's time that we take back control of our own lives. we do it smartly and we do it

safely. the coronavirus is lavishly a terrible tragedy. i don't need to say that, you all know that. it's also particularly terrible that china and the w.h.o. did so many things to help this pandemic spread to our shores and it's unfortunate that the fda didn't get the testing working sooner. it's awful or that mayor de blasio -- took action to help this pandemic spread throughout new york city. and how much covid spreading was done in late february by the crowd that was gathering around san fran gran nan in chinatown? speak of the cautions have been taken by our city. we know that there's concern about tourism, travel. all throughout the world of what we think is very safe to be in chinatown and hope that others will come. >> laura: well, they kept coming, nancy, but at this point, beyond protecting the vulnerable, the funding, the

scientific work for therapies and medical treatments, there's really not all that much more that the government can do because you slept too many new covid regulations on businesses and that may end up driving them to insolvency. when he businesses, restaurants, all the small businesses, to get back on their feet. i think now more than ever we have to have faith in american innovation and entrepreneurship. on everything we've worked for. otherwise all of these efforts of the past seven weeks, all of our efforts of the past couple of centuries are going to end up being for knots. we've never allowed a foreign enemy to rob us of our freedom and we can't let a deadly virus do it either. we didn't shutdown america in 1968 during the hong kong flu. that was a global pandemic of the h3 and to virus. it killed 100,000 americans, mostly those 65 and older. fast forward to our horrific flu season this year, which we

touched on briefly last night. new york's current influenza season has been one of the worst on record. in the first week of january, 10,076 lab confirmed cases. for comparison, there were 3,736 such cases during the same time in a 2018f in 2019 season in new york. now fast forward to the week ending on march 14th, look at that map. you see it there, it's dark blue. there you go. it's dark blue, that's the color coding for basically a flu out of control. and the week ending on march 20th, well, it's still bad but getting better, there it is. but then in the week ending on april 4th, wow, the flu virus is basically gone. is that because of a few weeks of social distancing? fast-forward it.

hard to believe that the drop-off would have been that significant given the flu spread within families, especially in cramped new york metro area apartments where covid also spread really fast. and then there was a really weird drop-off. we've been trying to figure this out. maybe some of you can help us. week 12 in this flu counting week. it's kind of weird, they start at the end of august and they go through the following august, but week 12, about the end of march. there were 3,336 cases, all right? influenza cases in new york, but week 13, the number dropped to 764 cases. that's down more than 77%. week 14 dropped to 193 cases. week 15 dropped to 143 cases, the entire state of new york. we reached out to new york state health officials to help us understand these radical drops in flu cases.

while, they tried to tell us that drops like this are normal saying in 2018 weeks 8-10, we saw a drop in cases from 13,000 to 3689, over 10,000 in two weeks, difficult to see significant increases or decreases from week to week, but that's not even close percentagewise to the two go consecutive weeks of over 70% decreases in flu cases this year. one reason behind those huge drops could be that at the end of week 12 in late march, governor cuomo did put that state on lockdown. that may have convinced people to stay home, but we don't know that and neither do state health officials. obviously people were still at still out of grocery stores, pharmacies, and we still have a lot of essential workers out there. epidemiologists will probably be debating this for years. there's a natural lag in some data reporting, so we are going to check back in a few weeks. we certainly do not wish to think that influenza death in this horrible flu season in

new york are being logged incorrectly as covid deaths, that would erode the public's trust in the experts. we can ask questions, we can say are people dying at home with covid or are they dying at home with a regular flu but they're fearful of going to hospital? are those cases being logged at all? we may never know. but remember, even one early on we were warned that this flu season was going to be particularly deadly come out we didn't pull kids from school. remember, we played those clips for you last night. people were warning about this, this is going to be one of the worst on record. but still we didn't require people to wear masks on planes or in grocery stores and we didn't decide to ruin our economy. but then covid hit and it was like this flu season that we were hearing about is going to be so horrific never happened at all. the media never talked about it and even our infections disease experts didn't really address it as time went on. why? i think we need answers so we

can move forward with the full understanding of what actually happened here and how deadly covid really was. we will face more viruses in the future, we know that, of course we will and we cannot allow them to bring us to a standstill might just happen. we can't do it again. don't forget, we have influenza vaccines. a lot of you probably get them and we still have a horrendous mortality number this year and in previous years. the flu vaccine is by any estimate from 45% to 55% effective in a year. the various different types of the virus. no one can say that any democrat -- looking at everything we talked about over the last several weeks, you cannot say honestly that any democrat on the scene now would have handled this crisis markedly better. look at what cuomo is being accused of now with the stuff going on with the senior home. the president solved the vents problem for the blue states like new york. hospital ers were not

overwhelmed, that was the goal of flattening the curve. that was his mission accomplished, but in a railway, he really accomplished that mission. he and his team have devoted day and night to helping america america through this terrible time. they deserve gratitude. instead they get endless grief. meanwhile, house democrats, we talked about it, announced today that not even going to come back to town anytime soon, so they're protecting themselves and their own comfort as americans continue to suffer. how can anyone take congress seriously when they're not even here? the people are watching them and i hope learning, learning who was on their side, who's fighting for them, who wants them to get back to the precovid lives as soon as and safely as possible. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 43, america in shutdown.

our next guest has been warning for weeks that the centers for disease control guidance to doctors on how to certify coronavirus deaths are "ridiculous and could be misleading to public school. joining me know if dr. scott jensen, physician and minnesota state rep. senator, excuse me, and dr. jensen, how long is it going to take for us to get a true accounting of all the numbers swirling around here? i know you've dug into some of these numbers and looked at the some of the tables and some of the charts that i'm looking at and something is just weird with this flu season. it all just kind of seemed to go away in new york. i've never seen anything like it in any previous season. >> thank you, laura, for having me on and i think what we're going to find out is in retrospect where going to find out -- apples to apples. there's been so much garbage going and that we are going to get garbage out. three weeks ago you and i talked about this and we've seen

pennsylvania, the corners are pushed back and said these aren't covid-19 deaths, and pennsylvania reduces its numbers. new york says it's going to come out and at 3,700 in a day. public health director trying to define what a covid-19 death looks like and stumble over herself. made it very didn't have a clue. with the people running in the southeastern part of the country saying they want accountability, with the california and minnesota saying we are going to count only confirmed cases and today in a major newspaper in minnesota, the "star tribune," they came out with an editor's note saying they are no longer going to use the johns hopkins information because johns hopkins confirmed an unconfirmed so they're going to go to a different source because they want just confirmed cases. so it's a mess. >> laura: i've heard a lot of complaints lately about those very numbers johns hopkins as well. as you just noted, a lot of these states are including probable covid deaths into their official account and that secretary for health of pennsylvania actually noted this last week, just so our viewers get a sense of what we're

talking about. >> today are actually going to see a decrease in our probable cases. specifically probable deaths. these cases are previously reported as probable, but further review has determined that we needed more information before we could attribute them to a death related to covid-19. >> laura: dr. jensen, italy actually did this. again, you were so far ahead of the curve, as was the show because we saw what the italian advisor came out and had to announce about their own reclassifying thousands of deaths. because he said they were overly confident or overly -- there was a lot of emotion running because of the dash because of how awful covid was in the country, but still, not confirming the actual cause of death. >> that's exec libra. and the cdc -- they basically came out and said you don't really have to worry about

causation. we are just [inaudible] what's going on in italy from 12% of their covid-19 deaths were actually causative blue related. people aren't stupid. they might be frightened but they are engaged and i think one of american politicians are having to learn is that if you do this, you're going to undermine the public trust under not going to get it back easily. i think one of the things you what i talked about, laura, zwick try to come up with context. how in the world can influence or just drop off the map in a sudden two-week period of time? would both mother and have been in supply and so my to influenza debts, influence a because nobody bothered to swap their throats. if you want to find out the data, i don't care if they're dead or alive, swap them. we can always run the test later and get real information. >> laura: a friend of mine a couple days ago said to me i think a lot of these experts are counting on people not to actually look at the data. they just look at the headlines what they look at a paragraph,

but they don't dig into the tabs because it's kind of a pain, believe me, we did this today. you have to click over to the tabs and look at the tables and out of 80 numbers on each side and then all of a sudden you're like "wait a second, something is not making sense or" but it takes hours and hours and hours to go through this. where are the journalists doing this work? why are they setting the context for this response and the continuing response of shutdown? because they want to keep this thing shutdown and i think a lot of it is to hurt trump. dr. jensen, thank you so much. you have been absolutely instrumental in helping us understand the spirit we really appreciate it, thanks so much. >> thank you, laura. >> laura: another governor is under fire from the medical community for restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine to fight covid. the association of american physicians and surgeons tabulated all of the hydroxy studies from around the world and sent their conclusion to arizona governor doug ducey saying the total number of total patients treated with it is

2,333. of these, 2,137 or 91.6%, improved clinically. there were 63 deaths, all but 11 and a single retrospective report from the va when the patients were severely ill. joining me now is dr. michael robb, president of the arizona state chapter of the association of american physicians and surgeons. doctor, we had a doctor on from nevada last night who was running into the same issue with his state leadership, so why are politicians getting between doctors and their patients on a drug that has been for so long prescribed -- prescribed for years and years and years for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis in an off label use here? what's the problem? to go well, good evening, laura, thank you so much for this opportunity. i believe the governors may be concerned about a few things such as supply and the safety of the medicine. but physicians should be free to

practice the art and science of medicine and make those clinical judgments. there's a long track record of the drug being safe and now we have emerging data showing that it does have an efficacy that's much higher than the flip of a coin. it's not .5, it's closer to .91 now. regarding supply, we've got 29 million pills have been issued from the stockpile and over five pharmaceutical companies have promised somewhere between 50 and 80 million pills. so if the governors are concerned about supply for their local lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients, it's understandable, but i don't believe that we are going to have a shortage or hoarding. >> laura: but doctor, you're giving a very charitable explanation here for this. maybe i've been around -- maybe

i've been around politics for too long, that's very well possible. but a friend of mine said to me the other day it's a very high placed position in l.a., you probably know who he is, he said, laura, it's like trump and you never mention hydroxy foregoing, it's probably -- this wouldn't have been a big deal. it would have you started happening, he would have a huge stockpile, it would have been worked out, but it's almost - -- they're looking for a reason to not use a drug that practicing physicians are using with some benefit early on. and with a great deal of benefit early and not one people are about to be intubated, but before the cytokine storm early on to keep them out of hospitals and keep them off of ventilators. that's the key thing. >> yes, i agree. the early treatment is essential if you want to prevent a surge in emergency room -- staff being overwhelmed, the ventilator use

will come down. there's a shorter time to recovery. and so we just don't want governors to restrict the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine to just 14 days and making it mandatory that a diagnostic code for a confirmed covid-19 case is on the prescription followed by proof of a positive test. if all of that is required, then physicians will not have the opportunity in the outpatient setting to treat early. >> laura: which is what they're doing all over the world, by the way, and have been doing in the united states as you pointed out, to great success. very strange. a very strange -- doll in the medical establishment are just as frustrating as many in the political establishment, dr. rob, so i really appreciate you coming on tonight and explain it to us. all right, well why are house democrats refusing to come back to work a month are they not

essential employees anymore? especially during a war on a virus? house minority leader kevin mccarthy is here on that. plus, it's the white house moving towards sidelining birx and fauci? cannot be happening? press secretary kayleigh mcenany weighs in coming up.

>> laura: apparently a five-week recess in the middle of a national crisis isn't long enough for house dems. majority leader steny hoyer announcing today but the lower chamber will not return to d.c. on may 4th as planned, doctor's orders. >> nancy pelosi saying -- >> we had intended to come back next week as had been previously scheduled, but once the capital physician told us that it was not proper for us to do that,

there was no choice for us but to say we will put this off. speeone's of the grocery workers can show up in d.c. the construction workers are all out and about in d.c., but pelosi can't come. joining me now his house minority leader kevin mccarthy. congressman i'm so glad you're on tonight. what about the health and safety of the american people? aren't they the priority at a time like this? and that means getting on with governance. there's a lot of stuff that needs to be done, a lot of work that needs to be done. what say you? >> i think the american people deserve leaders who work day in and day out for them who cannot stand the test, can be able to do it in a safe, smart, steadfast manner. i sent the speaker a letter last week on how to open congress. states don't open the entire state it wants, so why don't we bring back committees of the armed service the national defense authorization bill? you can put it in the auditorium

so you have social distancing. or you bring in transportation because they have the bill. or you can bring in appropriations. 12 bills to actually fund congress. the subcommittee could be in there. have the rooms to themselves, get the work done and then bring the rest of congress back to vote on those. i don't understand. the democrats have no plan, whether it's troubled communist china accountable or to reconvene congress itself. >> laura: mayor bowser from d.c., even she admitted that the congress has got to come back. watch. >> essential workers have to go to work. our country needs relief, our workers need relief. hospitals, state and local governments need relief. so the congress needs to work on all of those things. >> laura: congressman mccarthy, what i don't understand here is that we keep hearing this as a whole of government approach. at last time i checked we have three branches of congress -- of the government and the supreme court is not hearing oral arguments for i don't know

how long, but they're working. congress is not here, but we're supposed to believe that the democrats care about the regular working people. i'm not feeling it. >> i'm not feeling it either. we are essential. think of every and at the number of truck drivers that are driving to refill the shelves in the grocery store if the quarks are working tomorrow. or the farmers out in the fields to make sure we have safe food. or to the medical workers they are day in and day out. and congress is elected to be leaders. the american public expect us to uphold the tests when they come to us and right now we are not doing that. unfortunately the speaker is holding it up. yesterday said they'd come in, today they denied it as the bill to do it. sent them a letter of how we can do it and how we can make it happen. >> laura: they're not interested -- they're interested in dragging this out, keeping the country shut down until after they think joe biden is elected, suddenly the virus will disappear at that point.

governor gavin newsom is talking about reteaching human nature, watch. >> california is built on going outside. it's human nature, but you had to reteach human nature to stay away and stay in until it's safe. >> the reality at the end of the day is to try to great a sense of commonwealth to connect people to common cause bigger than themselves, geography or political identity or ideology. >> laura: can you explain that for me? i'm not quite following. >> i can't explain that but i also can't explain how he would bring tom steyer and is the individual to chair how to bring the california economy back. look, california has led the world in so many innovations and others. it was happening right is holding us back. california is so large we will have three, four different states among themselves. there are areas that we can open in a safe manner to help lead this nation in the right direction, but gavin newsom continues to hold us back and

thinks he has to reteach us human nature. i will tell you, i understand it, parents are teaching their children every day. we can overcome this just as we've overcome so many other challenges in this nation. >> laura: i will tell you human nature, huntington beach surfers. that's human nature too. people want to get outside in the sunshine, that's what they want, congressman, they want to get on with our lives. thank goodness california hasn't suffered like new york. numbers are quite low comparatively, but if california wants to live this way until november, good luck to california, but i think the people have had enough. congressman, thanks so much and as we switch into recovery mode, is it time to ask fauci and birx to continue their work but maybe not do these daily briefings? politico is reporting that the white house is shifting its communications focus from covid containment and mitigation to reopening the country. which includes managing the media bookings of government experts like deborah birx and anthony fauci. white house press secretary

kayleigh mcenany is overseeing this effort. she joins us now. are you guys putting the docs in a box? what's going on i can it's like a dr. seuss book. what's happening? >> no, that's not the case, but we do each and every day, we ask ourselves what announcements to the american people need to hear about, what is the next iteration of the news stories as we move forward amid this pandemic and look towards reopening the economy and that's what guides us and some days that means dr. birx and dr. fauci being out there, but is that means kevin hassett, steven mnuchin, and economic team, so really what the american people need to hear is what guides us. >> laura: a lot of folks are just anxious for good news. they don't want to have blind faith, but they want good news, they want optimism going forward. that's the american spirit, dr. fauci was talking about what could be coming, however. watch. >> if we are unsuccessful or prematurely try to open up, it could be much more than that, it

could be a rebound to get us right back in the same boat that we were in a few weeks ago. it's inevitable that we will have a return of the virus or maybe it never even went away. >> laura: is that our view that the white house shares, that it's inevitable that we can see into the future that this virus will definitely come back if, f, f, the state opens a little earlier, not according to exactly the point of the white house? >> president trump is put forward the phased reopening guidelines. governors are following them. and it's up to the governors ultimately what to do, but look, the president is very impressed with a lot of these plans that he's seen. today we had ron desantis income of the governor afforded. a great example of a state that's just doing it right, that's reopening the economy. this president is leading the way every step of the way. he's made the right decision. and he's making the right decision now to look towards reopening the economy. you're exactly right, the

american people want optimism. they want confidence that is exactly what president trump is giving them. >> laura: there was a really cool trip by vice president pence today to the mayo clinic where he was looking into all this new plasma technology that might be very useful in fighting this virus as we go forward and maybe if it does come back in the fall, but the media had a different focus, check it out. >> vice president mike pence raising concern as he visited the famed mayo clinic in rochester, minnesota, and was the only person seen not, repeat, not, wearing a mask. >> is this mike pence figuring out the trumpets decided that masks offer people in his role, form of weakness? >> this is mike pence cowering to a president who doesn't think masks are for him. >> laura: your thoughts on mask shaming? >> it's ridiculous. we are all routinely tested for coronavirus in the white house. the media obsession with mike pence wearing a mask is

really just ridiculous. what they need to be focused on is talking to the american people, covering with the president does in the white house each day. these small business loans that have been remarkable, that have saved companies, all the health updates we have instead of focusing on mask palace in trade, perhaps they can focus on delivering news to the american people. i think that's what the american people deserve. >> laura: are you going to be doing press conferences? your predecessor didn't do the press conferences. will you be doing them as time goes on, we move into this post covid world we hope? >> i geico with the press almost every day. and look, that's up to the president, right now the american people are hearing directly from president trump and is no better messenger than the president of the united states. >> laura: thanks for stopping by, some back soon. >> thank you, laura. >> laura: coming up from hillary clinton is officially backing biden for president, big shock, but as the former vp really at the wheel of his campaign? a mini angle and vdh next. (music)

♪ >> laura: hillary clinton's endorsement of joe biden today, i think it's a good time for us to take stock of the 2020 race, it's about time, and we have to ask why are democrats about to nominate a man who is manifestly incapable of actually being president? well, the answer is simple, they know biden will just be a figurehead. i've talked about this before, but it's really obvious now. his economic policy will be made

by the dnc's largest donors. you don't believe me? well, a few weeks ago, cnbc reported biden donors privately float big names including elizabeth warren and larry fink for key roles. his trade policy will cater to the wto international order. well, that's long been biden's standard. >> in the postwar era, post-world war ii era, we are driving force denigration of the world bank as well as world trade organization. the architecture for the global economic system and thanks to all of you participating in the global economy, you all know better than most that this is self-evident. >> laura: how is globalism working out for us now, senator biden? all right, his health policy, well, it will be set by marxist revolutionary dr. te tedros. >> if you're elected president will you restore funding to the health organization? >> i will but i will also insist that we do what we were doing

before, set up a pandemic office within the white house. >> laura: has china policy will come from the same geniuses who set up and let up our industrial base and let it slip. >> let me be clear. i believed in 1979 and said so and i believe now. that arising china is a positive development not only for the people of china, but for the united states and the world as a whole. >> laura: the rest of his foreign policy will be a nod to the u.n. and the e.u. >> donald trump's brand of america first has too often lead to america alone, making it much harder to mobilize others to address the threats to our common well-being. >> laura: his climate policy will be crafted by folks like maybe al gore and greta sundberg. >> we are going to have an opportunity i believe in the next round here to use the my

green economy, migraine deal, to be able to generate both economic growth and consistent with the kind of infusion of monies we need into the system to keep it going. >> laura: he says migraine deal, taking aoc 'screen deal, making it his own, okay. civil rights policy, that's going to be dictated by his latest endorser. >> in november, when going to be voting for joe biden. that's what -- that's what i'm going to be doing. this is a time where i'm saying it declaratively like this. >> laura: and finally, his judges, well, they will be picked by law school faculties at maybe harvard and yale. just last week, several lawyers and activists told cbs news that biden should run on protecting the popular liberal legacy of ruth bader ginsburg. and they expect biden -- you

know, all they expect from him is to show up, every once in a while, maybe have a few ceremonial, you know, things to go to every now and then, read the teleprompter, scribble his signature. even confused joe can probably pull that off. joining me now is victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution. victor, where does hillary and her former staff, people like cheryl mills and susan rice, obama's former national security advisor, where do they all fit into this? what strings will they be pulling in a biden administration? >> well, i think they think it's going to be barack obama 2.0, but they're going to do it right this time, they're not going to compromise, they're going to go with the agenda that we saw in the primaries that never got 51%. i think they're really surprised though about joe biden, the rest and relaxation offered by the shutdown would invigorate him and they found out just the

opposite, whatever his cognitive problems are, they're increasing geometrically and whether he teleprompter or his wife is with him, it's very sad, so they're going to try to carry him across the finish line and then -- is really an empty vessel and all of this progressive ideology will be what we get when he's elected. reminds me historically, 1944, everybody knew that fdr was not capable of having a fourth term, but they got him across the finish line, they got a vice president harry truman that was much better than henry wallace and that was the story. he didn't finish the 90 days. i don't want to be morbid but this vice presidency in the democratic side, i've never seen it take on importance. you've got hillary zooming with them. you've got abrams around. everybody understands that joe biden, if he does get to the finish line in november, will not be able to be an effective president. not a strong one, and whoever is

vice president -- and we know it's going to be a minority candidate or a woman given biden's own assertions, so it's important that we haven't seen in 75 years. >> laura: by the way, spoke of hillary there, victor. you know, she noted that she does not want to let this covid-19 crisis go to waste. >> it needs to be part of a much larger system that eventually and quickly, i hope gets us to universal health care. this would be a terrible crisis to waste as the old saying goes. learned a lot about what our absolute frailties are in our country when it comes to health justice and economic justice. >> laura: economic justice. she is trying to hang with the kids, right, with the lingo and a kind of just looks sad. it kind of looks like a bunch of old people trying to be hip and cool with the progressives. >> and there's a lot of irony there when she says she doesn't want to waste a crisis. what she's meaning is that

joe biden can campaign in a virtual style because of the crisis, the coronavirus crisis. he can zoom or he can skype and he doesn't have to get out there on the campaign trail that allows other people like herself to have input and perhaps get back in as vice president. but there right, everybody else would think the crisis is a tragedy because we can't get out and campaign, but for joe biden's advisors, maybe they think it came just in time. >> imagine him speaking at a convention in trying to rally the crowd or debating donald trump purchase -- it's just -- you really can't see it happening because a lot of folks think is just not capable of doing it. victor, thank you so much tonight, great to see you as always. end of next, all right, just how big and how fast were those ufos moving in the newly declassified pentagon footage? an expert will tell us next.

>> got it! >> roger. >> what the [bleep] is it? >> there's a whole fleet of th them. >> my gosh! speak at her going against the wind, the wind is 120 miles to the west. >> laura: what was those objects? in the newly declassified u.s. navy footage that you just saw. joining me now is dr. steven greer, founder of the ufo disclosure project. doctor, the penta pentagon just to classify these videos, though they had been previously leaked. what's the explanation, what were those objects? >> well, there actually -- good seeing you again, i was on your show when you had a radio show years ago. when yes, i remember. >> there are two types of objects. one are classified aerospace

devices. this is a letter from ben rich that he wrote in 1986. he describes two types, one are extraterrestrial vehicles, the other are advanced antigravity called u.s. classify projects. the leak of this film, actually it happened back in 2017 and it's interesting because there's a documentary we just released that's number one on itunes called close encounters of the fifth kind that goes into the background on this league, which actually was not a leak. it was released by people who were part of what you often refer to, sort of an authoritarian transnational group that is trying to create a specter of some kind of threat from space, which actually does not exist. >> laura: but what is that? but when you look at the speed of these objects, this of the

size and speed of the ufo show it's 40 feet long when the analyst appeared a one from 20,000 feet to sea level so it's really fast. that means it was capable of achieving a velocity of at least 23,864 miles per hour, 31 times the speed of sound. 20 times faster than an f18, is that possible? are you disputing that? >> no, that's complete with correct. you know, my uncle designed the lunar module, the first man on the moon, as you know, so these sort of technologies have been classified for a very long time. there are a lot of people who pretend like there's not much known on this, and the tragedy is the sort of technologies have been explored and discovered and would benefit the humanity greatly if they were disclosed, but there are a lot of people who want to control the status quo, they don't want that out. but yes, we have radar tracings for example in the disclosure project that trace these objects moving in an excess of

200,000 kilometers an hour, much faster than this one. and so there's no question that these are legitimate actual objects, the technology and physics behind them are actually quite well understood. but they have been -- sort of this whole thing has been hijacked. gordon cooper, who was one of the early astronauts and i presented to "the federalist" society number of years ago this problem but there's an anti-constitutional project that has kept secret in defiance of many of the people in our government. the director and the head of the defense intelligence agency, they try to find out about this and were being denied access, so this is both a scientific and a policy constitutional crisis. >> laura: dr. grier, there's a lot to unpack there. it's wild. i think my kids and i watched it about, i don't know, 50 times. thank you for joining us. >> you look at close encounters of the fifth kind, the documentary, you're going to see -- >> laura: all right, we will

check it out. thank you, dr. greer. joe biden has a really perverse view of the economy. the last bite explains. they're our parents... our brothers and sisters. and our children. but now, they are more than that. they are forever our heroes, too. at prudential, we're fortunate to know and serve them. and we're grateful to the heroic men and women working on the front line to move our nation forward. to all the heroes, we thank you.

>> laura: it is time for the last bite. joe biden likes to brag about being made a professor even though we never taught any classes. but if he did teach one, would it be a hybrid of economics and sex ed?

>> we can't step back. for example if we solve the problem in the united states of america and not solve it in other parts of the world you know what's going to happen. you will have travel ban's and economic intercourse around the world. >> laura: that would indeed be a tragedy. and shannon bream them, "fox news @ night," take it from here, shannon. >> shannon: all right, laura, thank you so much. the press is counting on blue and red states to prove they are right as many step away. california facing new lawsuits for frustrated businesses and new measures intended to crack down with extended stay-at-home orders. the governor will announce his states next steps and in south dakota, throwing a parade for governor christie nolan who never did issue a stay a stay-at-home order. more danger in the second wave is very real. experts tonight raising estimates for the national