we will see you tomorrow. take care. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the coronavirus epidemic appears to be easing for just a moment in this country. many are still sick, some of those will die, but overall for this moment anyway there appears to be a lull. the death count yesterday was the lowest it has been in weeks, and that could easily accelerate at some point. maybe soon, and some are predicting it will, but the question remains for policymakers what to do next? have masked quarantines successfully contained this virus? growing scientific evidence? suggests they have not contained this virus very successfully. there are some leaders in america who are closely following the science of this and the communities they run,

restrictions are beginning to lift in response to this reality. t life is slowly returning to normal for them. but many other politicians seem gravely disappointed by this development. seeing americans live freely for the first time in months enrages them. it means their own power is dissipating, slipping away. they stamp their feet in frustration as they watch it, they pour their venom onto social media and red face fits on cable news.en they loved this pandemic, this tragedy, every sad minute of it. it made them feel indispensable like gods. they desperately don't want it to end. they're saying that out loud in effect. you may find their attitude baffling because of course for the rest of us a return to life, is the greatest possible blessing. we've a lot to look forward to and it's spring. that doesn't mean we should forget what happened and how, we shouldn't forget, we should remember. as we do remember we should work to prevent it from everve

happening again, and that means being very clear about how this began. we know a lot more about that that we get six weeks ago. this information is not thanks to our press corps. reporters are supposed to be open-minded and curious, that was once their job description. our media are no longer interested in learning what they don't know. they're not journalists anymore. they're gatekeepers. they're heavies for the professional class. they believe their job is to make sure that no proll in america ever has an unauthorized thought. wherever freethinking emerges, our media are to slap it down on and suppress it. for months they demanded we not think about where this virus came from. stop thinking! any suggestion it may have come from china, they told us, was dangerously racist. >> the president referred to the coronavirus as a "foreign virus." that's going to come across to a lot of americans as xenophobic. >> the xenophobic wartime trump, where he thinks the only path is to declare the virus public

enemy number one, to paint it in racist terms. >> the xenophobia and racist in an outbreak is such a common thing and it's incredibly dangerous. it's problematic and it's scary and i just really want to call that out. >> why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? why do you keep using this? a lot of people say it's racist. >> it's not racist at all. it comes from china, that's why. >> tucker: why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? hilarious. it would be amusing to ask hr departments in network television why they exclusively hire morons with no self-awareness. maybe they're cheaper. for whatever reason, tying this pandemic to china is not racist, it is true. it came from china. as we are learning it could only have come from china in the way that it did. over the weekend the daily telegraph, an australian newspaper ran an amazing story, containing experts from a 15

page intelligence assessment. this assessment was written by officials from the so called five eyes: the united states, britain, canada, australia, and new zealand. their combined intelligence was a multinational effort. in effect this report confirms much of what we've suspected. no, the virus likely did not come from mammals that for some lreason were sold in a seafoode market in wuhan. not from bats, not from pangolins, whatever those are. instead it much more likely came from a research lab. asuc the chinese all but admittd at the outset. as this assessment notes the wuhan institute of virology was performing extensive research on bat coronavirus is at the time of the outbreak. here's the full timeline of the document lays out. we have known some of this, some we didn't know. here it is. by early december authorities in china knew that this disease could spread from person to person. that's a very important thing to know about a coronavirus. coronavirus can live in animals.

the one that can spread to humann beings by definition are dangerous. they lied about that. the government of taiwan knew, they issued a warning about it in late december. experts in hong kong knew too, they did the same on january 4th. despite the overwhelming evidence the chinese communist party claimed no, the virus could not be spread from person to person.ne and then china convinced the world health organization to repeat this deadly lie, which they did continuously until january 20th. on new year's eve china began censoring online search engines in their country. chinese authorities suppressed searches for terms like "wuhan unknown pneumonia, sars variation, and the wuhan seafood market." on january 2nd, the province health authority ordered genomics companies to stop testing for the virus. they ordered them to destroy, not save, destroy any samples they'd already collected. one day later china's national health commission banned the publication of any research on the virus.

in the middle of an outbreak that became an epidemic, that became a global pandemic they banned research. day by day this cover-up became crazier and more intense. from january 5th toy january 18th, wuhan officials refused to offer any updates on the spread of the virus. on january 14th the chief of china's national health commission warned in private that the wuhan coronavirus is very likely to become a "major public health event." in other words, a disaster in which many would die. the chinese government hid that that news from the world. we didn't know because they hid it. ten days later authoritiesw blocked the wuhan virology from sharing viral samples with colleagues around the world, including at the university of texas. meanwhile chinese doctors who tried to warn the public, and there were several, were arrested, punished, andch possiy murdered. on january 2nd chinese state mediare announced the arrest of eight people. chinese police warned the public not to fabricate rumors, to

spread rumors, not to believe rumors. why was china doing all of this? to save face obviously, but there were other reasons. a new report by the department of homeland security suggests one of those reasons. as china downplayed the epidemic internationally, the chinese government was busy stockpiling medical supplies for itself. taking them from the rest of the world for itself. in january china increased imports of surgical masks by 278%. they increased imports ofal surgical gowns by 72%, surgical gloves by 32%. in february, chinese medical supply exports drop dramatically. at first the numbers didn't reflect that, people were confused, why?st china delayed the research of trade data to hide what they were doing. then the chinese government begann admitting spoke screens into the media. they used western race guilt as a weapon against the west. china imposed travel

restrictions for example, it attacked western governments for any restrictions they thought about placing on china as a racist! the results? manyop thousands of people left wuhan and came to western countries where they started outbreaks in dozens of cities, new york, seattle, milan. at the same time chinese diplomats began telling the world at the virus actually had come from america, maybe from the u.s. military.e maybe from a lab. they denounced any claims to the contrary as, i'll give you three guesses, racist. it worked. of course it worked. that's why they did it. as the european union prepared to report on the coronavirus, chinese diplomats pressured the e.u. successfully to remove language on china's lying, it's misinformation. western media needless to say played along with all of this, why? they knew that any criticism of western civilization must be true. of course. it's easy for them to wind up as willing pawns of chinese

government propaganda. and pawns they were. that is how it all began according to this multinational intel report. the question for us is what happens next? that chapter has not been written. we are squabbling about lockdowns, the governor of maine tries to arrest people for having lunch in public and people attack citizens for going outside. that is the debate in this country. that is not the debate in china, why? the chinese government has bigger plans. by the time this pandemic has played out china plans to rule the world. for the west the coronavirus has been a bewildering disaster that we will be recovering from for a long time. for china this whole thing has been a blessing.hi they believe it's the beginning of a new chinese century. terry markson is the national political editor at the daily telegraph and she joins us now. it's her report that is the basis of the script you just heard. thank you for coming on tonight. it's an amazing piece of journalism that you turned out

and i'm ashamed no one and america beat you to it. congratulations on that. what do you think it says? what is the overview of it? >> it's very clear from its 15 page dossier that has been prepared by western governments that china deliberately covered up evidence of the virus early on in pure case of negligence. this directly contributed to thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people getting sick and dying. these are just the facts that the dossier lays out and this is not ideology, this is not propaganda, these are the facts. >> tucker: what is so compelling -- please continue. >> if you look at the data of it, it divides it into five main themes. if you go through it all, this is a serious case of cover-up by china of one of the most deadly

pandemic outbreaks we have had in at least a century. it's directly because they didn't take action. they knew there was human to human transmission as early as december 6th, that is according to this dossier. on the first evidence emerged of it. it wasn't until january 20 when they finally admitted that covid-19 could be transmitted from one person to another. that was far too late and that is why so many people are now sick and dying. >> tucker: this is the most substantial confirmation of what we suspected that we have had so far and because as a multinational effort, i think it would be hard to dismiss. what has the reaction been in australia to this? >> look, we displayed it prominently. my newspaper is a news core score paper, it's the biggest

selling daily newspaper. we put it on our front page. we had six pages of coverage. it has been followed up around the world, everyone is taking this very seriously because it's not supported by political angles, it's reported by facts. everything is factual. in australia, like in the u.s. there are the left-wing sections of the media that don't want to believe that this virus may have leaked from a laboratory. of course, we don't know that yet, but they don't even want tl think about it. already they are there been attacks from that angle here as well. >> tucker: i hate to ask a reporter to speculate, but it's such a fascinating question i can't resist. why do you think there is a resistance to deal with the facts? if you were to assemble the facts of where it came from, you would have to say objectively that the evidence suggests they came from a lab. why is that hard for people to imagine? >> the argument is that there is no evidence, firm evidence that

it came from a lab, but there is no firm evidence that came from a wet market either. what this dossier shows is that the chinese authorities disinfected the wet lab, they bleached it before taking adequate samples that could have perhaps verified, or gone to verifying their case. while a lot of viruses have come from wet markets, in this case you have it coming from wuhan where there are two laboratories. one of the laboratories, the institute of virology was working on, like coronavirus and that they were manipulating and genetically modifying bat like coronavirus to make them even more deadly. this is their own study, their own research and it's documented in this dossier and i have read the original studies as well.ne one of the leading virologists and head of this

unit. in that study she herself states that this work, or the study's conclusion states that this work is so dangerous that the risk of it is that it could lead to a pandemic. when the outbreak first happened she herself is giving interviews where she said she had sleepless nights worrying that the virus, the outbreak came from her laboratory. she then says she studied all of the various samples she has. we know she has a lot of different deadly pathogens of the coronavirus.he she said it wasn't a genetic match.dl givenn that china has lied and it's just a fact, they have lied about everything to do with this virus so far. how can we take her word for it? there needs to be an investigation.n. >> tucker: our authorities are saying we know conclusively that it was not manipulated and that they lie. we don't know that it was manipulated. anyone who tells you we knowon that conclusively is lying.

there is a lot of lying. your piece is a blow against lying, so i'm so grateful you wrote it and your paper ran it. thank you. >> thank you for having me on. >> tucker: instead of breaking our dependence on china, the coronavirus paradoxically has increased it in many places. dozen of american states are using chinese drones manufactured by dji, a chinese company to monitor citizens for social distancing. there is a massive problem with this. as matt gaetz in florida says, he is pressuring the justice department. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. apart from the civil liberties which are important, why are these drones dangerous? >> china is massively expanding a trojan horse operation in our country, and your local police department may be unknowingly anhelping them. the united states army, the department of interior, they banned their use of these drones

citing vulnerability and potential value for other countries. department of homeland security wrote a scathing report that said china specifically goes after local law enforcement. they did so before the coronavirus so that they could get key information transmitted to the chinese government, and then our own department of homeland security wrote thatis this is precisely the information we are worried that china might sell to terrorists. even before the coronavirus, tucker, you have this company reducing their prices for drones by 70%. they drove u.s. manufacturers out of the market and since the coronavirus, they're openly bragging that they have just donated these trojan horse gifts to over 22 states, over a 40 municipalities. when i talked to the municipalities in my own investigation, they say, it's no big deal, we fly them around the parks and tell people to disperse. we make sure people are social fdistancing. the information that is being collected makes our nation more

vulnerable, and i believe the attorney general with the authorities he has should immediately ground the entire fleet of drones used by u.s. law enforcement, and we should not be spied on by our own government, and giving the information to a foreign government. >> tucker: i hope you stay up late every night until you get that done. that is something that could be done very quickly, and that needs to be done. thank you for your vigilance on that. amen. i appreciate it. mayors and officeholders around the country are becoming even more aggressive in locking down their populations. this is in direct contradiction to the emerging science. do you like it? if you don't, we'll tell you what they're saying after this. ♪ i'm a talking dog. the other issue.

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♪ >> tucker: the science has accumulated that we can begin to scale back our mass quarantines, particularly the more draconian elements without disastrous risks to public health. people will die from this virus whether we get inoculations against it or not. we can pull back a little. we know that because there is evidence of it pretty much everywhere. sweden never locked down, and despite what you have likely heard, they're still no worse off. states in this country like south dakota, iowa, and arkansas did not issue shelter-in-place orders ever, yet all three places were below the national average in cases and deaths.

denmark and a czech republic loosened restrictions and have seen no surge in new cases. so it's pretty clear that in many parts of this country we could almost certainly do the same. and yet some cities and states will not consider doing this. if anything they're moving in the opposite direction. as the pandemic appears to recceed for the moment, the restrictions are becoming tighter. that's when you know this isn't really about public health, it's about making mediocre people more powerful. there is no one in america more mediocre than the mayor of chicago, lori lightfoot. she recently announced that anyone who meets privately with friends or even talks about meeting privately with friends on social media will be monitored and could be arrested. >> i have directed superintendent brown to order all police to give special attention to these parties. this is how it's going to be.n t

we will shut you down. we will cite to you. if we need to, we will arrest you, and we will take you to jail period. the time for educating people into compliance is over. don't be stupid. don't come out, don't advertise on social media. we are watching you. >> tucker: do the people of chicago take lori lightfoot seriously? how did a buffoon like that wind up in the mayor's office? lori lightfoot believe she has the power to imprison you if you talk about you about your weekend plans on facebook. how did she get the power to do that?en that's still not clear. what is clear is that she has no intention of following her own rules, living by her own restrictions. we know that because lori lightfoot recently broke her own quarantine in order to, and this is real, get her hair done. she got caughtht when her

hairdresser blabbed about it on social media, but not surprisingly she didn't seem ashamed in the slightest. unlike you, she explained, lori lightfoot has to look good. >> i am the public face of this city. i'm on national media and i'm out in the public eye. i'm a person who, i take my personal hygiene very seriously. as i said, i felt like i needed to have a haircut. i'm not able to have that myself. i got a haircut. >> tucker: i take my personal hygiene very seriously. i feel like i needed to have a haircut. the funny thing is, you may be feeling the same way. maybe you take your personal hygiene seriously too. maybe you would like a haircut, but are you lori lightfoot? didn't think so. shut up and get back to your smelly apartment, stop complaining, and if you don't you are a nazi. that's their new.

that's their old line. it's always there line. ndisagree with them and that's what you are. they're actually saying it out loud now. over the weekend cnn suggested that anti-lockdown protesters in michigan were in fact white nationalist, very much like the ones who marched in charlottesville. of course they are. they're disagreeing with the people in power. gretchen whitmer hastened to agree with that assessment. >> some of the outrageousness of what happened at our capital this week depicted some of the worst racism and awful parts of our history in this country. the confederate flags, the swastikas, the behavior that you have seen in all of the clips is not representative of who we are in michigan. >> tucker: when you disagree with me, says mouth breathing political hack gretchen whitmer,

you're a nazi and cnn agrees. if there's one thing that cnn cannot see its dissent. ordinary people disagree with a the proclamations of the mighty. how was that even allowed? just the other day one reporter whined on twitter that too many people were going to a park that he liked. then when police swooped in to break it up, that reporter applauded. how dare they? that's my park. over on cnn they celebrate the arrival of chinese drones in the skies over new jersey because what this country really needs is more surveillance and hectoring from the people in charge, or as msnb put it... it is life-saving. >> please separate. >> elizabeth, new jersey, is now using drones to spread the life-saving message. >> you are not immune to this virus. >> they make it easier for police to see into certain areas where access by patrol cars is

more difficult. that includes tight spaces between buildings, behind schools, and in backyards. eh>> tucker: you don't need to be some crazed libertarian with a goatee to find all of this pretty distressing. what's happening now is unprecedented, it's dangerous, and completely unconstitutional. it violates the letter and the intent of the bill of rights on many levels and someday soon we will deeply regret letting all of this happen. if only we had someonepl out to protect us, oh wait we do. the aclu! fort more than a hundred years the civil liberties union fought for the civil rights of the powerless, which means you. you are the powerless. where is the aclu today? they're playing along with the authorities. they're sucking up to power, their joining cnn and telling you to shut up and obey. as freedoms vanish across this country, the aclu has filed dozens of lawsuits, not onon your behalf r the behalf of the bill of rights, but depending

mail-in voting to avoid voter fraud. the release of more criminals and illegal aliens. so far it looks like the aclu has filed only a single lawsuit to respond to the mass quarantines and it was in puerto rico. what is the message? the message is the aclu legal is squarely on the side of your overlords now. that's a change. meanwhile our country and its century old norms are dying before our eyes. we can give you many examples, here are two. montgomery county, ohio, authorities are reporting 50% increase in deaths from opioid ods. addiction rates, not just to alcohol are skyrocketing. from the data we have so far that seems true across the country, and yet paradoxically at the same time cancer patience atare going without. dire is one indicator of that.

the pharmaceutical company, the manufacturer is predicting a major hit to its earnings, why? its biggest cancer fighting drug is being prescribed less often. it's not that fewer people have cancer or they need at last, it's they can't get into the hospitals or they are too afraid. they've been intimidated by politicians to not to get cancer treatment. vaccines, check ups, major surgeries all being delayed. people will die as a result of this, in fact they already are dying. that's fine with the people in charge, just don't plan a dinner party on facebook. arey will arrest you for that. joe biden's senate papers could do a lot to clear him ofdo tara reade's allegations, or maybe they will indite him. either way they're refusing to release them. do you have a right to see them? plus, nbc news finally did a good thing. they pushed out the man who protected harvey weinstein. noah oppenheim still works there of course. why did it take almost three

years to get rid of andy lack? a former employee joins us next. ♪

>> tucker: if joe biden had to live by the same rules, and right there you know it's hypothetical, because they never live by their own rules. let's say he lived by the rules he imposed on male american college students. the allegations from his former staffer tara reade would have ended his campaign and political career.

fortunately for joe biden, he does not need to live by these rules, he has exempted himself. evidence will beru needed to brg him. that is fair. we are all for evidence, we are not joe biden. so far nobody has been allowed to look for the evidence. the secretary of the senate says she lacks the legal authority to search the records for mentions of tara reade. meanwhile the university of t delaware who's board, at least eight of them are joe biden donors refused to release any of the joe biden documents in its possession. even though it is a public school taking tax dollars, housing public documents, presumably for the public's go good. they're not showing them to you because they are on team biden and they don't have to. paul kamenar drafted and filed the request, freedom of information request for biden. he joins us. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. good to be here.

>> tucker: why this? why is that a significant thing? why we should see that? >> we want to see everything regarding the transfer of 1800 boxes of documents and a couple hundred gigabytes, or terabytes of records. the original agreement was that they should have been released on january 21st 2019. that came and gone. what they g did was amend that agreement and made it so biden would not be able to release these to the university until two years after public life. not public office. they're actually doing this to give him time to run for the presidency without having toth have these documents released. the national policy center has filed an eight page freedom of information request not only get these documents, but to see who had access. we have information that biden operatives went in the last several months and looked at these documents. weas don't know whether they

pulled a sandy berger. we are asking for all records relating to the handling, curating, and disposition of these documents. >> tucker: on what grounds could they -- a public school handling public documents turn you down? >> we hope they don't, but actually delaware is one of two states in the country that gives and carves out certain exemptions for the public universities and believe it or not. it can get documents related to the handling of it, plus we are requesting that the board of trustees called a special meeting, which they are allowed to do under the bilaws, and override any exemptions that are found in this law. keep in mind it at university has a discretion to release these. they don't have to keep them, but more importantly joe biden has already asked, hey, i am

asking the national archives to release it. i'm asking the senate, and they asked him, why not ask the university of a delaware. do you know what his answer was? there is nothing there. how does he know there's nothing there? >> tucker: we should be able to see that. i totally agree. paul, thank you. good luck on this. the public has a right to know. unfortunately higher education is a dangerous, power-drunk cartel. there is no transparency. there is a reason jeffrey epstein found refuge at harvard. as we learn today he did. here's a new d story for you, probably not getting enough coverage on the other channel. andy lack has been ousted as the chairman of nbc news. during his tenure he was personally involved in the effort to kill ronan farrow's story on harvey weinstein. we told you a lot about that over the last couple of years.

the allegations that derailed harvey weinstein and matt lauer weren't really secrets exactly, a lot of people knew, they just didn't say anything. people like noah oppenheim and andy lack at nbc news protected eiharvey weinstein. now noah oppenheim is still the president of nbc, andy lack is still the chairman despite his own documented history of indiscretions with nbc employees. andy lack and noah oppenheim at nbc killed the harvey weinstein story and now accuse you of sexism. >> tucker: when he wasn't protecting a serial predator for being a major democratic donor,c he also protected matt lauer, and then under his leadership, nbc sent the access hollywood tape to "the washington post" in an effort to swing the 2016 election for hillary. and then fired billy bush who happened to be standing there and wrecked histh life.

rich mchugh is a long time investigative journalist. he worked for years at nbc news and he joinsns us. thank you for coming on. before we get to andy lack, i want to run something by you that i have heard and i honestly don't know if it's true, so i want to know if you've heard this. i have heard that the new york attorney general's office is investigating nbc on sexual abuse, sexual harassment claims. no one has been charged, but the people have been interviewed. staffers, producers, executives, have you heard anything about this? >> yes, i have, tucker. that is true. i am aware of it. i have been looking into it for a story. it was the new york attorney general's office civil division. we are not sure if it could lead to anything criminal, but i do know they have been looking into this and interviewing employees.

>> tucker: that's kind of amazing. just to be completely clear, and i don't think this has been reported. i look forward to your story for details. the new york attorney general's office is looking into nbc news. remarkable. andy lack kind of walked out today, what are the circumstances? was he fired? what do you think happened? >> one has to assume that they caught wind of this investigation because it's been going on for months and they have spoken to dozens of employees. i believe that has a role to play in it. there is new management at the top, and so they have decided we will try to get away from this blackeye who presided over the harvey weinstein story. all of it. this is a good first step i should say. i should point out that i've spoken spoken to a number of

women, victims who worked at nbc and they say, you know, the fact that andy lack gets to walk out ofg the building on his own accord is a disgrace. their careers have been ruined. i personally left nbc because of things that he and other executives did with our reporting.th the fact that he can just kind of walk away is upsetting. >> tucker: it is upsetting. i've never seen a news division work harder to squelch news and they did in the case of your amazing story, which changed a lot of things. have you talked to ronan farrow about this? >> we haven't spoken. we texted briefly, but i haven't spoken to him. >> tucker: really quick, this is theoretical, but how can andy lack be gone, noah oppenheim is still there? do you think he will stay? >> it's a good question. it looks like this move has

taken some of his power away. i think it needs to be said that if they are really going to clean house and try to restore their credibility, they need to cleann house. one half of the team that presided over our reporting, killing our story is still in power. >> tucker: 30 million americans work for noah oppenheim is still drawing a big check. you tell me how that is fair! get back to me. great to see you tonight. thank you for that. >> thank you. >> tucker: at some point and we hope it's before too long, americans will be allowed by their all-knowing leaders to outside again. will they want to? the so-called japanese murder ehornet, how is that for a name? has been a spotted and we will tell you what it does next. ♪ next.

♪ >> tucker: dr. marc siegel has been covering the coronavirus for us relentlessly since it first appeared back in january. maybe no medical expert on television is better at explaining complex concepts to people, like me, who find it hard to understand them. tonight he finally gets to discuss something different, murder hornets. 2-inch long asian bees have been spotted in washington state. should we be worried? where are they called murder hornets? dr. marc siegel joins us now. >> as if we didn't have enough trouble, these 2-inch long murder hornet's are vicious and they attack honeybees. they go into a hive of honeybees and in 14 seconds decapitate the honey bee and destroy it.

luckily honey bees are fighting it. meanwhile these hornets also attack humans. they kill about 15 people in japan -- in china every year and they have this terrible venom that can affect the liver, kidneys, that causes heart problems. luckily we can treat it and most people survive from this, but you have to know what you are dealingro with. the biggest problem here, beekeepers are going all over the northwest trying to trap these hornets before they take root. the biggest problem is that they fly fast. the queen hornet can fly up to 20 u miles an hour. imagine trying to catch it. it's only a matter of time and then you have to be on the lookout for it. it looks like something out of spider-man, it has big pinchers that attack the bees. if you get multiple stings from

this then you are in trouble and have to get treatment right away. i do want to scare anyone, but we have to nip it in the bud before it becomes a bigger problem and destroys our bees. our bees pollinate. flowers, plants, we need bees. >> tucker: i've always liked beekeepers, but we never needed them more. thank god for beekeepers and for you dr. siegel, thank you for that report. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: newly released documents prove conclusively that michael flynn did not commit a crime. he wasot lured into a crime by e fbi. but was taking down mike flynn, and destroying his family, destroying his life part of a bigger plan? someone close and inside the white house believes yes. that is next. ♪

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>> tucker: thanks to the committed duplicity, michael flynn, general michael flynn, a three-star general who served his entire life in uniform. he lost his job, his family's honor, all of his money, ultimately his freedom. had to sell his house and was treated like a traitor. now we all know it was all made up. the fbi do that in their investigation. but they trapped him anyway. he was not the only person the

fbi targeted. p she saw all of this closeout. a former national security advisor in this administration. author, served under flynn, said she was targeted using the same tactics. k.t. mcfarland joins us. you were targeted as well. >> yeah, i didn't realize we were both getting the same treatment from the fbi. in his words, they saidh don't talk to each other. but it turns out what they were ddoing to me was exactly what they were doing to him. reassuring you you are not a target for anything. you don't need a lawyer. and then confiscating all of your records. in my case, the phone logs, the text messages, the emails. and then they cherry picked them and showed what they wanted to shout and try to trap you. in other words, it's like they had a answer key. and they knew what the answer was. and if you get it wrong, and

flynn's case if he didn't remember anything about a specific phone call or the next phone call, then they can say you must be lying. you should remember that. you're committing perjury. but in flynn's case, they were blackmailing him as well. and the black male was to get him to save his son. in the end of the day, they weren't after me. they weren't after flynn. those were nice helps. but they were after trauma. they wanted me to implicate flynn and crimes, which he hadn't committed. they wanted me to implicate trump and the crimes he hadn't committed. i did not doing that, not lying to implicate others, and not lying to say that i committed perjury, they threw everything at me. it was the same thing, they bankrupt you. they know all else fails. and they can't get you out of

crime. they can bankrupt you because they have infinite resources and he all theo pay for lawyers fees, all the discovery, everything all by yourself. so they know that at the end of the day, they can punish you by bankruptcy. >> tucker: and they did it right after they election. it talked about trying to undermine our democracy. they were listening to the telephone calls. they should explain why they did that, or go to jail in my opinion.un do you think they were doing the same to you? >> they were listening to everybody's phones. they were lessening the phone calls, but in general flynn's case they were listening to the phone calls and they were turning the transits over to reporters. we got the phone call at the whitee house seen "the washington post" had a transcript of that phone call,e either a transcript in their hands or they were read a transcript of flynn's phone calls. >> tucker: it's like a third world country. that's not supposed to happenfl here. it's so disgusting. it's not their country. they are not allowed to do this.

it's our country. great to see you tonight. i'm glad you survived it. >> thank you. >> tucker: have a great evening despite this. sean hannity is right now. hi, sean. not only did it happen on numerous occasions, you tell us what you want otherwise we are going to put your family in jail. that's what they did to general flynn. >> sean: you can't do that here, what is this. shredded of they are notth accountable. >> sean: welcome to you at "hannity." big breaking news tonight. thanks to our attorney general, the deep state reckoning is now fully underway. you are wondering when when we get to this point. we are. now the question for director wrayay w tonighthe