something like that, have you? >> sean: all right, i will take it. before we go, order a copy of my new book, "live free or die," and a beautiful gift for mom for mother's day. let not your heart be troubled, laura. >> laura: was joy behar giving you a little love, hannity? i think she likes you. she likes you. >> sean: i can answer that. no, she doesn't. >> laura: there's a little bit of -- you know when you hate-love someone? she kind of has a hate-love for you. it's cute. i sensed it. there's a little spark there and i don't -- >> sean: let me say this. i don't care, at this point in my life, what anyone thinks of me. >> laura: you're just a guy. if someone said that, like, i don't care. what is football season going to be on again in the fall?

>> sean: baseball. get the stadiums open safely. we can do it. >> laura: we want football, baseball, and we want the nfl. sports and along with many other things, hannity, awesome show tonight as always. >> sean: have a great show. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. nearly three weeks ago i asked dr. anthony fauci if covid-19 could attenuate, change, get less severe as time went on. sars did that in 2003. he said no but a new groundbreaking study out of arizona state says the virus may in fact be weakening. our medicine cabinet tells us why and how this is happening. also, did blue state governors end up feeling the heat? tonight we are going to bring you a report on how some states might be opening up earlier than

they first said, and then victor david hanson, love it when he is on, is going to tell us why it's now or never for the american recovery. but first, my thoughts on america in shutdown day 50. 50. hard to believe. after china's lies and deceit about the coronavirus, the american public i think is finally beginning to get it. they are seeing the communist nation for what it is: an enemy of the united states and of free people everywhere. a pew research poll last month shows that two-thirds of americans now have an unfavorable view of china. an rnc survey showed similarly negative views on china among voters in several key battleground states. now, long before this first case of covid-19 showed up in seatt seattle, china had co-opted the world health organization, we've talked a lot about that recently. just as they've done, by the

way, with wall street, top universities, and the american media, hollywood. well, their m.o. is always the same. dangle promises of huge financial support or profit as long as everyone looks the other way on their huma horrendous hus record. by using this approach of the last two days or so, china has grown in wealth, they've grown in power, and they've grown in prestige across every sector. they made the cynical calculation that high-powered westerners would take short-term payoffs in exchange for freedom and independence. they sacrificed the latter. well, they were right, sadly. at least until they met their match in donald trump. his america-first approach to trade put china on the defensive and it forced china to the negotiating table, making concessions and eventually a trade deal. a trade deal that obama and bush

could or would never make. the globalists were happy with their relationships with john during those 16 years. president trump, though, is trying to walk a fine line. he's not as harsh on china as i would be but he has a different job. he's trying to balance our economic needs, that are very big right now, with national security. and let me be clear, no one and i mean no one has done more to stand up to china and take on the challenges that they've posed then donald j. trump. his administration, it's filled with hard-core china realists. >> china is a very serious threat to the united states, geopolitically, economically, militarily, and a threat to the integrity of our institutions. >> its assessed our vulnerabilities, and it's decided to exploit our freedoms and take advantage over us.

speak our message to china's rulers is this: this president will not back down. at the american people will not be swayed. >> laura: but the problem is, too many elites are totally in the tank for china. the worst offenders when you think of all the really bad offenders out there, the worst are perhaps the universities and their connections with china and thus the ccp run deep. since 2013, china has given a billion dollars to 115 colleges and universities. harvard was the biggest recipient, pulling a $97 million but that is not all. a huge number of chinese students handpicked by the ccp are admitted at universities including harvard. including, by the way, president xi's daughter, who graduated from harvard just a few years back. harvard has even set up an academic center in shanghai and

established a harvard-china fund, which supports teaching and research in china and also promotes harvard's presence in china. china has given harvard, as i said, $93.7 million, 200,070 chinese students and scholars at harvard. harvard now has an academic center in china. all of this that we just talked about, this is stunning, stunning stuff. and by the way, harvard's recruitment of chinese scholars and chinese connection. my favorite story. a renowned harvard researcher was busted for allegedly lying about his involvement in a chinese recruitment operation. the prc had paid him $50,000 a month plus living expenses for his work at wuhan university of technology. and get this, he ran his own nano science center at harvard. he's a brainiac. he received $15 million in

grants from -- wait for it -- the nih. all the while, he was taking big money from china to allegedly help them recruit talent to then steal our trade secrets. this is harvard's president last march. >> harvard is an american university as that is a chinese university. our institutions have a responsibility to contribute positively to our own societies and to the national good. as well as to the world at large. but as universities, when you fulfill this charge precisely by embodying and defending academic values that transcend the values of any one country. >> laura: i love the soundtrack, by the way, underneath that. transcend the values of any nation. as we see in the current pandemic, boundaries do in fact matter, and the cpc's values are

prioritized harvard has planted the students and researchers across america. most recently the university of texas, ucla, and the university of kansas. and again, you, the u.s. taxpayers, are funding this. for more than a decade i've been warning about the damage this is been doing to america, and senator tom cotton, he is rightly outraged. >> it's understandable to me that we have trained so many of the chinese communist party's brightest minds to go back to china to compete for our jobs, to take our business, and ultimately to steal our property. >> laura: now what is most insane about this is how the media have lapped up china propaganda. now, politico has praised china's handling of the pandemic that it caused.

"the new york times" is worried. it's worried about how covid-19 could hurt china. and cnn, well, it should just be rebranded prc and then. prc and then its shameless promotion of chinese propaganda. even when they kick out a prominent journalist our newspapers, even when they imprison a million ethnic muslims, even when as we saw this past month, china rips crosses off churches and other buildings, to the sick and twisted system. it is the soviet union on steroids. we didn't do almost anything significant vis-a-vis trade with the soviet union. remember? we allowed no student transfers from the soviet union. those soviet students at a top university. and that worked out well for us in the end. why? because reagan understood we weren't going to enrich the

ussr, that would've been disastrous for us. we beat them. it was peace through strength. and trump had taken important steps to rebalancing our relationship with china and then the coronavirus hits, courtesy of china. obviously china is hoping at this point for a democrat in the oval office. that is beyond obvious. and of course, we know what a biden presidency would be to the prc. a gift. >> let me be clear. i believed in 1979 and said so, and i believe now that a rising china is a positive development. not only for the people of china, but for the united states and the world as a whole. >> laura: as we get closer to election day, remember this: as many eliteses in academia, business and the media are doing china's bidding, you have a president who has always seen

them for who they are, communist power that is working 24/7 two eclipse us militarily and economically. if you think freedom will march through beijing anytime soon, just remember tournamen square. remember last year's hong kong protest and remember china's refusal to reveal all that it knows about the virus that has now killed more than 70,000 americans. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 50: america in shutdown. joining me now, it is steven mosher, author of "the bully of asia" and in and dinesh desousa, author of the great new book, "united states of socialism." stephen, we know that china intentionally covered up this virus. now we have all these americans dead, we've done cataclysmic damage to our country's economy,

anxiety, all the things that are being raised across the country, beyond the death toll that is around us. why isn't the left more enraged over that? >> they should be because china is everything the left reports to hate. it's destroying its own environment, it arrests and sometimes executes political -- all of the issues, academic freedom, the issues the left seems to be concerned about seem to go by the wayside because it all doesn't matter in the face of their effort to defeat and demean president trump, who has for a long time, as you point out, seen china for what it is. he wrote a book in 1999 about taking china to account for cheating on trade and for manipulating its currency. he has been on china for a long, long time. we went through the bush administration, the obama administration and we got nothing but rhetoric, tough talk out of those two administrations

but very little action because chinese policy was built off of wall street making money off china and lobbyist and big corporations who wanted to make money in china. now it's different. >> laura: it's different now but then it's not. you and i were in college in the 1980s, and back then there were a lot of leftists on campus who were sidling up to the former soviet union. now you see the same thing happening with china, except there's huge money payoff at the university level. talk about that. >> yeah, china is certainly doing its best to buy influence, not just in universities but also think tanks and so on. in these institutions are proving surprisingly pliable. now, with harvard it's a little bit of a mystery because harvard by itself has so much money, bua proclivity, if i may say so come over a decade to sidle up to these totalitarian regimes. if i can pull a single skeleton

of the harvard closet, 193 1934 harvard alumnus, a guy named ernst on stegall return to campus for a harvard reunion. he was a celebrity because he had just been appointed by hitler. he was a friend of adolf hitler and had been appointed the head of hitler's press office. he was a big man on campus, they proposed to give him an honorary degree. he met with the harper president, there was a faculty reception for him in boston against the backdrop of a big german battle flick flying the swastika flag. the point i want to make here is that today harvard would never say a good word about the fascist but the point is in the 1930s they were perfectly happy before this new and glamorous fascist regime led by a man name adolf hitler. >> laura: wow. that was in boston magazine, i believe. that was disturbing and fascinating piece at the same time. stephen, there are a lot of intellectuals on the left or

global intellectuals who want to still give china the benefit of the doubt because compared to trump, you can deal with the chinese, i guess they think. here's what ian bremmer had to say about china. speak of the trump administration really wants to s going to be unacceptable mortality in the united states and handling of all this on anyone but the trump administration. china seems to do a lot of finger-pointing, lot of nationalism, that is a real problem. >> laura: stephen, nationalism is the problem, not the country that has a million people in chains because they happen to be muslim. >> nationalism is a problem in china because china is a nationalistic, imperialistic state that wants to extend its grip not only over the rest of asia but the rest of the world. i don't understand why these people are still living in the 1930s when edgar stowe

celebrated the egalitarianism of the communist party under chairman mao. china has more oligarchs today than russia does in their wealthier than russia, and they are arguably more cruel and dictatorial. why aren't they paying attention of the violations of human rights in china? i think everyone is off balance on the left because of their disdain for the current president of the united states who -- we ought to thank god for the fact that he was elected in 2016, because the situation in the u.s. in the world would be a lot more difficult now if he hadn't taken china to task three years ago. we are in much better shape now than we would've been under different administration. >> laura: dinesh, when you think about what china does, just think about the human rights violations. and you compare what some of the horrors in south africa with the part tied, and the campus was mobilized against apartheid. they had divestment movements in the '80s and it was really powerful. they were quite effective.

where's the divestment movement from china? >> well, i think what's going on with the left is it's made strange bedfellows not just with china but also islamic radicalism, and for the same reason. these and the most illiberal regimes in the world. china has one of the few governments that has a fully totalitarian system in place presiding over a billion people. you can't find that elsewhere on the planet. the islamic regimes, we know how illiberal they are. they are against all the values the left stand for, but the point here is that foreign policy -- the international politics is a projection of domestic politics, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and for this reason, the left side was up to china, sidles up to the islamist radicals. why? because they are batons with which to beat up on trump and the conservative right here, domestically, in the united states.

>> laura: elucidating as always. stephen and nash, thank you so much. in one of the biggest lessons of the pandemic is that we've been talking about for years, the need to decouple ourselves from china. start returning manufacturing back to the united states, especially her medicines, or medical supplies. the g.o.p. has new legislation to do just that. house minority leader kevin mccarthy, good to see you tonight. tell us about this new bill introduced by your colleague mark green, who is also a physician. how would it actually do this, bring these industries back home? >> we have to bring them back home. the number one thing you find is that we don't make aspirin, we don't make penicillin. this is what china has done. they are planning to overtake, going into our universities, going into our press. they have gone in to take the critical minerals away. they have gotten in to find those that control 70% of the ingredients that go into generics and others. and what they do is, if a company opens up, they flood the

market come up with the private sector out. it's not just bringing the company's back but having to maintain themselves. part of that is having a modernized stockpile inside america so that they can have it in america but able to control it. we should allow our allies to store it here as well. rule of law matters. watch what japan is doing today. japan is going as far as subsidizing to get the companies to come back -- >> laura: i can hear heads exploding at d.c. think tanks that have fairly cozy relationships with china, by the way, oh, you're manipulating the market, how could you do that, it's cheaper to make it over in china. what do you say to that? look at the cost now. >> is it cheaper? how many lives have died because of what china has done, lying to the world? but what china did not only when they were lying to the world, they tried to control the market when it came to the personal protection equipment, the masks,

the gallant of the others, they want to hoard those before the world found out. why would we ever put ourselves in this place again, and what is most concerning to me, the democrats have no plan to hold china responsible. they don't even have a plan to reconvene congress -- >> laura: speaking of that, congressman, chuck schumer is saying that even a china did cover up covid, trump is still to blame. watch. >> he spends half his time on blaming other people or other issues. you know, he's now blaming china. well, guess what, mr. president, it doesn't -- even if it came from china and even if it came from china only, why didn't you do something about it? >> laura: congressman, so explain trump real quick. >> how can schumer say that by representing new york? there is no greater state that should realize what china has done to their own citizens, his own constituents. how many people have died

because of what china did? you know what, president trump has warned us about china, he took action. while the world health organization told us that you could not get it from human to human, the president shut down the flight from china coming in. the democrats attacked him for that. a month later almost you had nancy pelosi telling everybody to come together. >> laura: you reminded me of something, congressman. speaking of pelosi -- i only have 30 seconds here -- he has said now, she emerged from wherever the heck she is to say that you will be hearing -- be able to hear from testimony from the hhs former assistant secretary, the whistle-blower next week. i don't know if she's going to grace us with her present or if she's going to teleport, i have no idea. but what if that? >> why would they allow that one whistle-blower to come forward and not the whistle-blower from before? adam schiff when he wanted to do all the impeachment, he was very concerned about that whistle-blower being protected, to actually come forward and then he denied it.

they only want to look at problems instead of solutions. they won't even have congress work. today i heard starbucks is opening back up but not congre congress. >> laura: sorry to cut you off but we have to take a break. thank you for joining us. coming up, could a mutation in covid-19 actually weaken the virus? coming up next. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional --

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♪ >> laura: this could disappear. sars did pretty much disappeared. this code as well, correct? >> the agree of degree of transmissibility of this is really unprecedented in anything i have seen. it's an extraordinarily efficient virus and transmitting from one person to another. most viruses do not just disappear. >> laura: well, fauci's dismissal seemed pretty absolute yet a team of scientists from

arizona university's bio design institute found a genetic mutation in covid-19 similar to one that weekend the 2003 sars virus. now when sars first emerged in china in february of 2003, the w.h.o. warrant it could've become the biggest health crisis in decades. but it was fully contained in july 2,003 in 6 months. there have been no reported cases of sars anywhere in the world since 2004, so it would certainly be great if covid suffered the same fate and burned out. joining me now's my medicine cabinet for tonight. cardiologist and ceo, fox cardiology in d.c. and dr. scott jensen, physician and minnesota state senator. dr. jensen, what do you think about this new study? stuff is being written now, genetic sequencing, continues in all the various strains of the virus? what is the probability that a

mutation like the one in sars does exist in covid-19? >> we know without question that viruses do mutate and sometimes they mutate rapidly, sometimes slowly. we have been in innumerable academics. in 2002 and 2003 we had sars. in 2009 we had swine, and we had a bowl in '14 so we know this happens. despite people running around saying the sky is falling, the sky is falling, it doesn't happen, so if a virus does mutate such that virulence is decreased, two things happen. one is good. it's not going to be as lethal, it's not going to be as severe. the thing is bad as you might have less community transmission. in one thing is less than sars. three, for two years less than the sars crisis, people had a few well antibodies to them, epidemic had fizzled and we even had studies showing five, six

years later people still had antibodies against sars. so i think that is actually good news. >> laura: the media kind of dismissing this. i want to get to this new hydroxychloroquine study as well. but just briefly from you on this mutation issue that again, we were raising weeks ago on "the angle." >> sure. it's well-known that is viruses progress they typically mutate to weaker forms. the phenomenon is known as muller's ratchet. we have seen already and there was a nice study out of the university of pittsburgh medicad different strains to document t. but this is biology 101, they usually go away. they typically mutate to attenuate to weaker strains that no longer make people so ill. >> laura: all right, i want to get to these new studies on hydroxychloroquine because the media keep saying that

hydroxychloroquine is dangerous for people with heart conditions, but here is what a brand-new study with the american heart association journal found. the largest reported cohort of covid-19 patients today treated with hydroxychloroquine plus or minus azithromycin, no instances of tdp or arrhythmia genetic deaths were reported. doctor, to the layman there seem to be now two studies with findings that are kind of competing about hydroxy's use and its complications. are these studies of equal value and what is the take away? >> i think the short answer, there isn't. the larger, more robust study, much better done, in new york showed a great safety profile. it's critical when you prescribe this drug you monitor these patients, make sure they're taking the drug appropriately and make sure most importantly you exclude other drugs that may have an adverse interaction. that is what the fda says about many drugs. there is a smaller study out of

boston, kind of sloppy, where they actually didn't really address that issue. a lot of these patients got diuretics that are known to cause arrhythmia genetic issues, and unfortunately they had some more problems, that ultimately at the end of the day, the critical issue here is unnecessary drugs and treat these patients with mild to moderate disease early. in the boston study they waited, frankly, too long as well. >> laura: a former fda commissioner is a smart guy on the board of some pretty big pharma companies now. he is an informal advisor to the white house and basically saying doctors are kind of moving away from hydroxy. clinical studies will show, he said, that it is kind of minimal benefit. the university of austin, texas, senior center yesterday where a doctor said that a doctor save the entire senior center by using the hydroxychloroquine

early on. what are your thoughts about what he said and is this happening? >> i think he's making an overstatement. my wife was on hydroxychloroquine for a decade and it helped her a lot. it originally was in antimalarial drug. it just because a little prolongation, or it can, but in the one study it had 201 people and not one of them developed -- so to me, the downside of this drug, the side effects are being hyped up. i think if you actually look at the number of drugs that do what hydroxychloroquine can do your talking about a lot of antibiotics, check about seroquel, some antidepressants come you talking about methadone. there is oodles and oodles of drugs that do this, so this isn't anything particularly unusual, and from my perspective, for people with rheumatic arthritis, lupus, hydroxychloroquine can be just a wonderful drug. and i think it's very safe. >> laura: all right gentlemen, thank you so much.

we will talk more about remdesivir with the medicine cabinet tomorrow, which is the new drug that is being hailed. coming up, blue state governors, are you feeling at customer if they are starting to crack under shutdown. trace gallagher has a report on the earlier than expected reopening before victor davis hanson shows us which one to keep our eyes on, next. now, simparica trio simplifies protection.

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pressure to end these lockdown? after banning beachcombing, california governor gavin newsom looks like he is starting to crack, announcing today that some retail would be allowed to reopen this week, though he tried to save face by declaring we are not going back to normal. across the country, governor ralph northam now says virginia will begin reopening on may 15th. that is only phase one, though, and he still getting resistance from the mayor of d.c. right next door. are we about to see more blue state governors wave the white flag? and just start reopening. fox news chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher is live on our west coast newsroom with the latest. tell us. >> despite polls showing most californians support the policies, gavin newsom's recent moves like shutting down certain orange county beaches have gone tremendous pushback from citizens and officials alike. some cities have even filed lawsuits against the governor, calling his actions unconstitutional. but just as rapidly as new beach

closers were put into place, the governor has now lifted them and is also starting phase two of the state's plan to reopen which includes allowing various retail stores reopen for curbside service. he has had more reopening announcements will come this week, and he is finally realizing the state is not one-size-fits-all. watch. >> for containment plans and protection plans to be put into place in regions and counties throughout the state of california where we recognize the different conditions and we believe different criteria should be put into place. >> in the meantime, virginia, maryland and d.c. put a coordinated approach into the lock downs but it looks like virginia will go it alone coming out. ralph northam says may 14th they will begin rolling back restrictions on restaurants and retail stores. virginia republicans who generally supported him.

the d.c. mayor has not gotten as much pushback and appeared surprised that virginia is reopening. and finally, we should note that michigan governor whitmer has gone against her state legislator to extend the state lockdown thing she won't bow to pressure. laura? >> laura: great report, thanks so much. and why is this pressure mounting for blue state governors. here's one reason, american workers are just getting crushed, especially those who can least afford it. according to new data at the university of chicago, nearly 50% of hourly wage earners, that's small businesses, are not working. and of those who are, they've seen their hours cut 50% on average. hourly industries like retail, hair salons, they've pretty much seen all their work evaporate in many of them, all their income and savings. this is not something, as we've

said before -- actually, we've said this since the end of march. this goes on for much longer, it's not sustainable. joining me now, victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institute, these are grim figures. grim. how long before gavin newsom, ralph northam, maryland with larry hogan and michigan. as other states open around them, people from those states are just going to travel to the other states, making the situation even worse, correct? >> yeah, i think so. i think the people realize something there officials don't, that these models -- and i'm speaking from california where next week we are supposed to have 25 million cases and with the fatality rate we would have about a million dead and we would have only 220 dead. it's off by a huge magnitude. laura, one size doesn't fit all. even the monstrosities,

germany's policies will apply to spain or italy's policies will apply to germany, it doesn't work way and we are a very diverse country. three states, massachusetts, new jersey and new york account for about 55% of all the deaths, yet they only have about 11% of the population. but california and texas and florida, they have about 30% of all the people in the united states reside in those states, they have about 5500 deaths. so, radically different situations than this one-size-fits-all doesn't work. and we really have two problems in the country. one is all of us are in this together but we need to focus on those three states and ask ourselves why 11 or 12 of the population is suffering 55% of the fatalities. is that the weather customer gets a population density customer exit elevators or subways? the credential class has been wrong on modeling, wrong on the maps, wrong on antibodies, wrong

on almost everything, and the people have lost confidence because they don't address these basic, practical questions they want answered. >> laura: yes, but bill gates has all the answers. bill gates wants to use this, he said, to transform american education and will be working with cuomo to do that. obviously rolling out these vaccines even though we see the virus changing and perhaps even attenuating, weakening. so there's a lot of other things going on here that are driving this, using this horrible virus in this horrible tragedy to realtor america but make a lot of people at least in the short term a lot less free, victor. and that has to be driven home. you're losing this freedom. freedom is gone if you can't travel, you can't go see a show, you can't go to a restaurant, you can't go to church, you can't go to school. at some point you have to ask

yourself, what is life? >> we went through the civil war and lost 600,000 deaths. we went through world war ii and lost 400,000. fdr is not praised because he put japanese americans in the camp and suspended the constitution. lincoln is still criticized for suspending the fourth. woodrow wilson is a progressive icon but progressives aren't so glad he suspended the first amendment during world war i. every president that tampered with the constitution, his legacy regrets it and that is the problem, and that we have this other hypocrisy problem, we saw that with neil ferguson in the u.k. today. bill gates, i think he's done a lot of great things but he is deeply embedded in the chinese project. he's got commercial ties there, he's got huge financial interests. he's not an incredible observer of the chinese role in this and he says we are criticizing china too much. i'm not blaming andrew cuomo but he was in a state where there were two disastrous decisions,

and one was people were encouraged to go out in then people were sent into nursing homes that have the virus and those were devastating decisions, so i don't think people should be so haughty without a little bit of humility, given their records. >> laura: absolutely. victor, remember, being a credentials expert means never having to say you were sorry when you make a mistake, including neil ferguson, who ended up of course hanging out with paramore and breaking quarantine and everything else he was doing and he is no longer with the imperial college after screwing up the modeling and getting into a big mess. victor, thank you so much. speak up thank you, laura. >> laura: up ahead, divide biden campaign has a new plan to attract african-american voters. is this going to work? candace owens weighs in next. and spray... and spray. well, we used to.

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♪ >> laura: presumptive 2020 democratic nominee joe biden is out with a new plan to bring in african-american voters, but the lift every voice platform sounds a lot like bernie sanders. a lot more than moderate joe. it includes universal pre-k, free tuition to public colleges, elements of the green new deal, and of course ending incarceration for drug use alone. so the question is, is that going to attract more black voters customer care to debate , candace owens, author of "black out." also with me civil rights attorney. all right, candace, do black voters really just want that laundry list of items? is it appealing to them? >> more free stuff, the same stuff we've been offered pretty much since the 1960s that led

to the devastation of our community. i think not and i think this is the platform that joe biden is going to go towards. he should partner with the technology firm and try to create a device that wipes out the memory of all black americans regarding his own racial record. i mean, this is the man that once called school integration between white and black americans the most racist concept you could come up with. that is a direct quote which you can look up in an npr interview from 1970. this is a man that voted against busing on the basis that black people wanted to be segregated. he made that argument strong. this was a man that was proud to have authored or at least be a big part of the process and authoring the crime bill of 1994. he used to call at the biden crime bill love '94, which further devastated black americans. so i think his time on his campaign would be better spent again developing some technology to wipe out the memory of all black americans, because this is not going to work. >> laura: joe biden obviously has a sizable lead if you look at polls now over donald trump.

but what is happening to small businesses in the united states during these extended shutdowns in blue state america, does that put on your objective cap? does that prevent an opening for trump to say, we just want to give you your livelihoods back? a lot of small business owners in the african-american community. >> thank you for having me, laura. give me 30 seconds just to respond. i will talk about right now rather than the last 40 years as candace was talking about. fact one, the coronavirus has affected black that a disproportionate rate, higher than any other group primarily because of what you said earlier. because african-americans working -- they are unable to work a minimum wage job. they can't afford to pay off. they've been hurt by this virus more than any other group. secondly, the stimulus money, laura. $2 trillion. you don't see black businesses receiving the $2 trillion. you don't see them getting any portion of that whatsoever. candace didn't talk about that.

let's talk about these jobs, trump always talks about african-americans having jobs but as you mention, they work minimum wage jobs. they can't work at home here they have to go out there. as a result, they are infected by the virus. and finally, tuition, free tuition. you know why that's important? it is so that african-americans can become a professional like a lawyer and we can work at home, and that is why free tuition is important. developing from these minimum-wage jobs that candace and donald trump like and put up in a professional white-collar position like leo terrel, that is what we want. >> laura: i was going to say, leo terrel is in a white-collar position, as are i think many african-americans. not every african-american works in a minimum wage job, although a lot of folks do, and they have been very hard hit. >> yes. >> laura: but candace, the stimulus checks went out to small businesses and it was

depleted pretty fast. what you have to apply for it, you have to apply for the money, and i know a lot of people have applied for it and they did get the relief, but at some point that relief runs out. >> that's absolutely correct and first off, this is the strawman argument to say that black americans didn't receive any of the stimulus checks. he has no empirical data, he's just accepting it to be true which is factually incorrect. i do know some small black businesses that did receive some stimulus because they applied early. but that is neither here nor there. about the stimulus money running out, that is what happens because you can just print money out of thin air. the best way to look at that, people that are arguing for just more and more free money. just take a look at the welfare system. $22 trillion has been injected in the welfare system since its inception in this country and black americans are poor today than when we began.

that is where we are. >> laura: all right, we're going to have to stop it there. we will have you back. leo, you get the first question next time. coming up, one texas woman sent to jail for just trying to earn a living? you will want to hear what she has to say next.

speak to the owner of a dallas hair salon was sentenced to seven days in jail for reopenins is her message to the judge who called her action selfish. >> feeding my kids is not selfish.

i know stylists that are going hungry, that they would rather feed their kids. if you think the lawn more important -- the law is more important, please understand your decision, but i am not shutting down the salon. >> laura: give her liberty or give her death, that is not selfish. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: seven days and a $7,000 fine, they are not joking around joking around. >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: out of the gate tonight, former vice president joe biden lying to the nation, getting a little bumpier with a federal judge and obama appointee tonight, requiring new york to hold the primary in june. socialist senator bernie sanders and other presidential contenders to the ballot. and that complicates an already well dicey delegate picture for biden.