keep it up, ash! keep practicing! i know a guy who likes baseball whole lot, his name is ed henry. a fun little distraction. >> ed: aren't we all ash now? we need a nap but we also need a smile. good to see you, sandra. >> sandra: it was really fun. you, too, ed. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, new jobless numbers deepening america's economic crisis, nearly 3.2 million more americans applying for unemployment last week, bringing the total to more than 33 million laid off since the pandemic shut down the u.s. economy. democrats are now drafting a multitrillion dollar coronavirus relief bill while some republican leaders are looking to pump the brakes on additional spending. house speaker nancy pelosi slamming the g.o.p. >> we talk about direct payments, and we talk about

unemployment, far better to spend our money to stimulate the economy. the republicans, who are supposed to be these budget talks, had no reservations in the dark knight and the speed of light to pass a bill that takes almost $2 trillion in debt to give 83% of the benefit to the top 1%. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. we have katie pavlich, "town hall" editor and fox news contributor. leslie marshall, syndicated radio host and fox news contributor. joining us today, pete hegseth, "fox & friends weekend" cohost. and author of the upcoming book, "american crusade." he is "outnumbered." i want to ask you, pete, about all of those folks who are now on unemployment as those numbers grow and grow. we've said before, 3.2 million more workers this week. 33 million altogether.

that is a lot of people. that is going to be -- that's really tough on families. your thoughts? >> pete: oh, it sure is. we do know is we did this to ourselves. no one can contest with the president has said from the beginning. we have the greatest economy the world had ever seen. we were surging. then we had to lock it down, and we did it to ourselves. at this moment, as we assess where we are at, we knew this was going to happen. we knew this kind of number was coming out. what we do next will define how we come out of it. i think the next bailout, 5.0, whatever you want to call it, the best bailout you can give is opening up. letting people make decisions for themselves about their risk tolerance, to open their business. there is no bureaucrat, there is no politician, there is no leader that can mandate what's going to work for you and your family. if you're healthy, if you are willing to put freedom over fear, then open the business up that you have or go to work into it responsibly while acknowledging that we learned

things about how we transmit this virus and who is affected by it. rather than tons more government money, which is going to come. i get that. there's going to be a battle about that. opening up and giving people clarity is the best thing you can do right now. the president is screaming about it, and he should be. >> melissa: so, let's talk about that government money a little bit. katie, let me give this to you. this is a new "washington post" poll that finds a whopping 77% of people for load or laid off expected to be rehired when they go back. 77%, say it's very or somewhat likely. 25% say somewhat unlikely. boy, i really hope that hope isn't misplaced. to me, this is like musical chairs. the music is playing, which is the on appointment money. when that unemployment money goes away, i don't think there are going to be as many seats or jobs as there were before. if people want to go back to work, they need to make that choice sooner rather than later. because i don't think the same

number of jobs are going to be available. 77% think they're going to be rehired. your thoughts? >> katie: right, and that's why you've seen the paycheck protection program refilled with money for the second time a couple of weeks ago to try and keep businesses open. but the longer these stay-at-home orders remain in place, the harder it's going to be for businesses to pay their rent, to keep their workers, and keep their business alive. there is a place for employees to walk through the door and go back to work. especially in the restaurant industry, given the criteria that they have now for actually reopening. businesses, if they require a certain number of capacity to walk through the door to pay their rent, it doesn't make sense to reopen if they can only have, you know, ten customers at a time when they really need 30 at a time to make it work with the numbers. moving forward, they are up against the clock. i think, at this point, a lot of people were hoping that now that we've gotten past the spike in cases in most places, we've

flatten the curve, that they've been able to hold onto their jobs. on the longer these states have to wait to open up, the less likely it is that their business will be available to go back to. >> melissa: leslie, let me ask you about these states that are begging for money now in this new legislation. i hear governor cuomo talking about -- using words, he said, "you are starting the states, they can't reopen." saying that he didn't get "a dime of the last round of money," when you look at the legislation our state got $7.5 billion, roughly, even then though he says new york got nothing. the treasury has made -- there is a line of credit for states like california, where you are, to go and borrow if they want to. instead, they want a gift from the federal government on top of what they've already gotten. why should we do that? >> leslie: well, there are a few things. mitt romney brought and assigned today that says, "blue states

are the only ones getting screwed." that's true. if you look at the country, california's largest state, where i'm working right now. new york is a very large state. even senator collins, who is a republican, said smaller-loan governments are not -- smaller loans from smaller states are not being helped by the treasury, and by the federal program. in addition to that, when you have so many republicans now, more than a handful, coming on board and saying, "look, we've got to help, we got to bailout the state and local government," senator mitch mcconnell is not just in a sea of red against a sea of blue on this. this is not just the democratic talking point any longer. the states and local governmen governments, many states, maybe not california, but especially the small red states, they are starving and they need the help. >> melissa: harris, i don't think it's about red and blue. i think it's about green. i don't know how they are starving and they need the help, as leslie said. the monies already there.

they've been sent money, they can borrow more. they need a third helping? >> harris: well, they can borrow more, but they have to pay it back. and we have to put a fine point on that. it's not going to be a free load here, and that's been a little bit of the bulking for members of your own spn staff, whom i've been talking to every day at 1:00 p.m. the sticking point is, do they want to have to pay it back? i want to talk to pete for just a second. pete, you know i adore you. i say this with all the love in my heart. i don't agree that we did this to ourselves. we did what we had to do to survive, and survival is not overrated. china's communist government didn't do what it was supposed to do, and we got here because of decisions that were made around us. and, yes, we had a gap in time to do some things right. the president stepped in, did a travel ban. he did some things. we should have done more. but the lock down, it makes it sound like we weren't even going to try. we had to try whatever we had to, and we still have people

dying every day. so, what i agree with you on is where we go next, because we are the most resilient place on the planet. the money can be the green color that we concentrate on, but i'm concentrating on the red, white, and blue. i'm done. >> pete: harris, i love you. you know that. i think we are in violent agreement, here. i skipped to the step of who is really to blame. of course, it's the communist chinese. we should hold them to complete account. i think later in the show we will talk about a task force that might be forming. i mean, they are the biggest threat we face in the world, before covid-19. that is step one. step two is we shut her down, no we open her back up hearing from people all around the country, not everyone is in new york city or new jersey. most people are ready to go and raring to go, and if you don't want to get out, stay home. that's her choice. >> melissa: absolutely. six more states easing lockdown restrictions today, bringing the

total number 247 that have relaxed guidelines in some way. president trump acknowledging concerns the reopening could mean a spike in coronavirus cases, but hailing the efforts of americans. >> we call these people warriors. i'm actually calling come as you know, john, the nation warriors. we have to be warriors. we can't keep our country close down for years. we have to do something. hopefully that won't be the case, john, but it very well could be the case. >> melissa: reporters later pressing the white house's kayleigh mcenany on those comments. listen. >> he used the phrase warriors to describe everyday americans, the president use the phrase, as well. asking the american people to put yourself in harm's way like warriors do? 's because they are warriors because they social distance. we are saying the exact same thing. the president said they are

warriors to reopen, because, guess what? in order to get to reopening, you have to social distance. >> melissa: and warriors, you fight peer business, you fight for your family, you get out there and he braved tough circumstances, i will ask a warrior on the couch there, pete hegseth. today i was walking to the supermarket, i saw a starbucks reopen. they had balloons out, they are fighting for their business. this franchise owner. they had signs out, masks on, gloves on. they want to get back to work and they want to get back to the american way of life, and do it safely. is that being a warrior? >> pete: at some level. i haven't liked the wartime analogy from the beginning. it is not apt. we have a series on fox nation called "modern warriors," these are the guys and gals that risk their life voluntarily to go to the most dangerous places in the world. i don't love the warrior talk, but i do think you are going to need that kind of ethos and that spirit to put freedom before

fear. listen, there's a lot of anxiety, a lot of miss information. the experts have been telling us, hundreds of thousands of people are going to die. now that we are learning more, herd immunity is our friend. a healthy people getting out there are going to have to have some courage. leaves encourage, we'll talk about it later, in texas, where people are defining ridiculous orders. that takes courage, that's not easy. i think that spirit to, it's american spirit, frankly, is in full supply and ready to go. if some of our experts and some of our leaders would just get out of their way, they are drunk on power. it's time to open up. that's my sense. >> melissa: katie, maybe we frame it in the patriotic sense. it sounds like framing it in a sports analogy, you know, it's too lighthearted. but maybe it's about patriotism, then. >> katie: right, and that is the communication the white house has been putting out since the beginning of this, from the first time they asked americans to stay home, to

social distance for the first 15 days, and then 30 days. they have always directly sank to the american people and expressed how grateful they are for participating, and pleading and saying, "this is the only thing we have, please do this for your country, for your fellow american." and americans have done that. in terms of going into the future with reopening businesses, pete is absolutely right. it's going to take a lot for people to go out and feel like they are comfortable. but the american people are capable of doing these things and making their own decisions, and the president and the white house have been very clear from the beginning that they want to work with americans, not necessarily tell them what to do. they've always been grateful to them for the efforts that they have put forward, whether it's the social distancing on the front end or going back into her communities now and supporting your local businesses as they try to reopen. >> melissa: harris, what i love about this is it's a choice. you know, if you are not comfortable, do not go out. you don't need to. you know? at this point, as we reopen, that is the best way to do it

anyway. because then we have fewer people out there. >> harris: yeah, what i don't think it's a choice in what i do think we need to kind of get on the same page about is how we are going to protect each other. some people have antibodies right now, some people won't be a danger to anybody because they are choosing to wear a mask. some people have pre-existing conditions, and it would be great if we can get everything delivered, but every now and again you might need to leave your house to get something. whatever that would be. so you're going to be around people, and we can't seem to get on the same page about what we need to do. we hear that story inside the white house today, about how some of the staff don't wear masks. we pray that the president and his staff are going to be fine, but we also hearing reports that perhaps that person might have been symptomatic. we don't have details about how. that is just how quickly it can happen. and how unexpectedly it can. so, yeah, it's a choice to go out, but nobody has a choice to endanger me or you or anyone on

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>> harris: there are new questions about the russia investigation. sources are telling fox news that transcripts of house interviews with 53 witnesses show not one could provide evidence of collusion between the trump campaign in the kremlin. that would align with the conclusion of robert mueller's investigation, which found no evidence of illegal coordination. the transcripts could also raise more questions about house intel chair, adam schiff's, claims of "direct evidence" of collusion. one senior administration official tells fox news, "adam schiff is in panic mode." meanwhile, the justice department has released a long-awaited august 2017 the scope memo, by then-acting attorney general rod rosenstein, outlining bob mueller's

authority. it shows his probe of key members of the trump team went well beyond what was previously known. senator lindsey graham says the investigation's legal foundation crumbling. >> we know that the scope of the investigation was to look at carter page, george popped up was, and paul manafort, whether they were working with the russians. this was in august of 2017. you nailed it in january of 2017. the sub source disavowed the dossier. without the dossier, there is no warrant. >> harris: leslie marshall, is there a reason for adam schiff to be said to be panicking at this point? >> leslie: no, i think he and other democrats, and, quite frankly, anyone on the intel committee, our proofreading, not panicking. the reason is, even devin nunes agrees with adam schiff that it

was the o.d. and i that drag its feet and delayed. we are going to have from us at the end of the day exactly what the mueller investigation found, that russia did, in fact, interfere with our election and that there was no collusion. i understand people are wrapped up with where adam schiff said,t we know, when you look at anything legally, there is some level of subjectivity to it, and interpretation to it. that's what i'm assuming schiff is going to say. is there anything illegal or criminal -- >> harris: let me step in for a second before i go to the rest of our panel, here. so, leslie, you are talking about how schiff might spin this. that's what i hear you saying. but the facts don't need spinning, and you just said it. there was no collusion. and now everybody is on the same page, literally, pages of evidence now. adam schiff, is he in political hot water at this point? >> leslie: i don't think he's in political hot water at all.

>> harris: he said there was evidence, there is no evidence. you don't think that's a problem? >> leslie: no, i think politicians say thing and grant sale the time. that's not what he's doing, necessarily, but no, i don't think he's in any political trouble at all within his party. maybe republicans want to paint it, it'll be a great headline, but he is certainly not going to lose the support of his district. >> harris: i will tell you what headline is going to be. "politicians say thanks," pete. i think that's technical for her, "maybe he lied." "podge and say things." do you want to pick it up with leslie? >> pete: of course he's in some level of panic mode, because sunlight is here. the most and best get a body of the world, all of those asians, all that money, they knew there was no collusi collusion. they gave scope to bob mueller to find whatever he could, even after they knew there was no

collusion, through members of the fbi and doj. they knew, and they knew the dossier was bunk, and all the time line adds up. a guy like adam schiff, who is connected and understands all of this, pursued it. he said he had evidence of collusion. yet none of the 53 people interviewed could provide one shred of collusion and he dragged the country through it. all people want is accountability. from what i'm hearing, and hearing that bill barr and durham are hot on the trail, and they've got the power to do it. we just might get that accountability. >> harris: katie? >> katie: this is why president trump called this a witch hunt. these transcripts prove that the special counsel investigation was unnecessary, and that adam schiff was going on cable television night after night and lying to the american people about the "evidence" that he had found.

then, when he did not have the evidence from the transcript, he said the evidence was "hiding in plain sight," and the never provided it. i'm glad the acting dni, richard grenell, has declassified this. that these transcripts be put out to the american people, so they can see what went on and what was said. it is just such a shameful situation that has occurred, that the country went through all of this when, at the beginning, there was no evidence of any kind of collusion. which adam schiff took it upon himself to use the special counsel investigation, which then went into the impeachment process, of course. to attack the president, politically, and he used that for months and months and months against the white house, which is exactly why the president called it what he did. a witch hunt. >> harris: interesting. well, you know, melissa, leslie said politicians say things. but i think this is about what politicians do. when you talk with 53 people, that's a lot of people.

what happens next in all of th this? >> melissa: well, i think that democrats should be really mad at adam schiff for getting their hopes up. i mean, he promised that he had evidence and he was going to be able to get rid of this president, and he didn't have the evidence he spoke of. i think reviewers should be really angry at the various networks and cable channels who also promised them that there was evidence of collusion, and that it was -- that they were going to be able to get rid of this president that they hate, and they never had it. it's like when you get to the end of a movie and it has an ending that doesn't make sense and didn't live up to expectations, and you are furious they spend money on the movie and you don't want to go back again. that's how they should feel. >> harris: all right, we'll move on. house republicans have announced a special committee's focus on u.s. policy with china. what they will be working on, and why no democrats are joining them. >> as we go through this

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wide range of china-related issues, including influence operations targeting the u.s., including our universities, think tanks, and media outlets. economic threats to our government and our allies, efforts to gain a technological advantage, and rule in the origin and spread of covid-19. >> harris: katie, what do you think about this? is a make sense to have a clearinghouse for everything china? speefour yes, as long as it's not just a commission or a committee to sit around and talk about what china has been doing, but actually address the issues that the leader, leader mccarthy, was laying out there. the china issue is massive. whether it's espionage in our universities, whether it's intellectual property, their geopolitical ambitions around the world, their military ambitions. this is than just dealing with the current crisis. china has been doing this for decades now, and we've allowed them to infiltrate a number of our institutions in a way that

is going to be very difficult to take back. the trump administration has done a little bit -- actually, a lot -- when it comes to getting chinese propaganda and newspapers labeled as foreign propaganda outlets in america. they've done things to look into the university system. so i'm glad to see they are taking things more seriously. but i really hope they can do a lot when it comes to actually getting china out of our major institutions and important businesses in this country. >> melissa: sounds like a tall task, leslie. what do you think? >> leslie: i'm in shock, because i'm agreeing with katie on this one, to a degree. the american people are sick, left of right, or all these committees. they sit there and talk about things we already know. we know that china is bad. we know that china gave out a lot of misinformation. what we do have, democrats should have a seat at that table.

i'm not happy with my own party for you. yes, it's political, they don't like some of the people being picked for the committee, they need to sit on this committee because they need to have a plan going forward. we can't come if there is a covid-19 2, or if they're talking about now different types of viruses that are coming off of this, the mutation of this covid-19, we can't rely on china for ventilators. we've seen what's happened. we need to bring our plants back to the united states. if we want to make america great again, as the president says, we need to make products in america again and support products being made in america again, so we are not reliant on china. if you sit at the table and you still go forward with a trade deal with china the way that we have looked at it in the past, and you just say they are a bad guy but he continued to do business with them, that doesn't help the american worker. that doesn't help this country. in the future, god forbid we end up with a covid-25, we will be in the same situation, because i don't think china is going to

change its ways. a zebra does not change its stripes. >> melissa: yeah. pete? >> pete: leslie, amen. i love it. you are right, there are too many committees, and they really do anything consequential. at this moment, something like this has a chance to go big and go bold, because people are awoken to who the communist chinese are and how evil they are. katie laid it out well. the education institutions, cultural institutions, our movies, eschatology, or 5g. now we realize our health care is, our businesses, and elites, republicans and does democrats, who made a deal with the devil for access to markets in china, to give away our sovereignty and our technology, its responsibility of them to protect their people. donald trump understands this. he has a chance to go even further. the left says, "it's too political." what's political about staying down our geopolitical flow, communist to lock people up and

give them no freedoms? trying to welcome them to the economy in the world community hasn't worked. they don't want to be part of that. they want to dominate us. this is the case were good policies are also good politics. i hope the white house and republicans continue to run it right at china. >> melissa: harris, cad and get an amen? spew when you get a spew when you get a aaa manager all three of them. we have a lot people who like to sit around and talk. we need some doers right now. that's her to hear from all three. so triple amen. >> melissa: major developments today in the case of a slot open are in trouble for reopening her shop amid the pandemic. officials are stepping in to set her free. ♪

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paxson who called the judge's decision "a misguided abuse of power." here he is earlier today. >> we are america, we are not in china. we are in america and this woman is in jail for cutting hair in a county where they have sought to release convicted felons and where they don't even prosecute you if you shoplift. so she went and shoplift, she would not be prosecuted. in this case, she's in jail for doing her job. >> harris: texas lieutenant governor dan patrick also offered to pay the woman $7,000's fine and volunteered to go under house arrest if it meant she could go free from jail. pete, your reaction? >> pete: everybody did everything right in texas, except this judge, who brought the heavy hand of government down. we talked about the phrase "warrior" earlier, and i how i don't like necessarily using it in this context. but miss luther is a warrior for freedom, for civil liberties. it's for our front-line workers saving people.

in this case, she stood up. she wouldn't apologize and say she was selfish, and she is saying what everyone is saying. that's why this resonates so much. my job is essential to me. there are no nonessential. "i have to feed my family." god bless her for standing up. it's moments like this that politicians take notice to, because it's the pulse of the people. they start to realize, wow, this is >> harris: katie, are we seeing a sea change? we've seen protests, a lot of people saying how they feel. to see the single hair salon owner galvanize so much heat around this issue, and to see it resolved in this way with her being freed and accusations of overreach where she was concerned, are we about to see a shift in this talk about reopening? >> katie: i definitely think we are seeing a shift, and we have seen a shift for about two weeks now. when you look at the details of the story, it becomes even more

and raging and really does make my blood boil. i mean, she wasn't just irresponsibly opening up her salon and packing it full of clients. they were having one person at a time, they had masks on, they were doing proper social distancing and keeping people 6 feet apart from each other, waiting outside the door to get in. as you listen to what she told the judge about him demanding that she admits she was a selfish person for doing this, she said, "i'm not a selfish person for wanting to feed my kids, and it's not selfish for the people who work in my salon to want to be responsible for their families and self-sufficient." the overreach here i think is the key, and people are looking around and saying, "no, no, no, i think i'm capable of making my own decisions about what i'm comfortable doing. going out, staying home, getting my hair done, and supporting the people of my community." it's just a shame it got to this point, and the executive order was handled in this way. >> harris: leslie, do you see

politics playing a role in this at all? some of these governors making decisions that people don't like, we get that. but also the communication breakdown. some are listening and some are not. i think that's fair to say. >> leslie: i think definitely politics is that play for some of the decisions. when you look at the states. for example, both texas and georgia had spikes in covid-19 cases and deaths and just went forward with reopening. people want to work, i get it. but there are laws. if there is a law in your state or the section of your state that says you can't open your business right now, although i think jail time was in overreach, i don't think it's wrong to have her find. here in los angeles, there are hairdressers going to people's backyards to make money until they can open their salon, because they are going to be in the third or fourth phase of reopening here in the state of california. what are we doing if we say, "look, don't open your restaurant, don't open your store, don't open your hair

salon," and then we have leaders of the state saying, "i will pay your fine," et cetera. it sets a bad precedent, a bad message. which is that we can pick and choose the laws we want to follow. we have to remember the reason this was done was to save lives. we don't know if we are carriers, we still don't know enough about this covid-19. we are not even 100% positive if you get it and survive, if you get it again. i -- >> harris: i have all sorts of thoughts about what you just described, people in other people's backyards doing hair, and we all go through as consumers and us taxpayers to make sure that there are health requirements followed. but this isn't that kind of a show. melissa, you are worried? >> melissa: i think this is what's wrong with big and distant government, and there are obviously bad actors on both sides of the aisle, all kinds of things, you get on a power trip. we've seen a lot of people on power trips during this period

of time. but this is distant government, it doesn't i was going on in a particular neighborhood, a particular community, and people rebel against things that don't make sense to them. >> harris: distant government, it's so true. i look at the situation, was this woman doing everyone good? a right thing, to show she was going to open up the business that had already been sanctioned a safe place to be? i mean, we are talking about sanitation and that sort of thing with these matters. i'm going to talk about it with lieutenant governor dan patrick next hour. he'll join me on "outnumbered overtime." we'll get into it. he was willing to sit in house arrest for shelley luther. we'll get into it, please watch. international poll shows a large number of voters say they believe tara reade's allegations against joe biden. so, what do they say about voting for him? about the next. ♪ usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action.

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shows the presumed democratic nominee still tops president trump in the head-to-head match up. biden receiving 50% support among those surveyed, nine points ahead of the president who notched 41%. leslie, do you believe in polls? >> leslie: [laughs] after 2016, not necessarily. but actually would believe these types of numbers, because you have about a third saying, "i believe her," a third saying, "i don't believe her," and the other saying i don't know. i thin of the day it doesn't always way into a voters decision to elect somebody and to vote for somebody. as we saw in 2016, the president is not immune from these types of allegations. nearly two dozen allegations against him, and he sitting in the white house. we saw allegations against bill clinton back in 1992. so this is nothing new, were people may say, "i don't like the person individually or personally, they might be guilty for this one crime, but i still will cast my vote for them."

it's not always just within their party. >> melissa: i mean, as long as they are honest about it. of course, joe biden is running, as everybody's more superior. especially president trump more superior. there was an op-ed in "the new york times" from a well-known feminist writer, linda hirschman, that said, "mr. biden and the democrats he might carry with him into government are more likely to do for women than his competition. how has better to sewn up to what you'r. sacrificing ms. reade for the good of many." katie, this is a feminist standing up and saying, "i believe the allegations against vice president biden, but i'm going to vote for him anyway, because i think it's the greater good." she honest, is she hypocritical? what do you think?

>> katie: she's both. she can be honest about what she plans to do with her vote of the voting booth in november, but it also is very hypercritical, because the left and especially the rabid modern feminism that we've seen has a different standard for men depending on which political party therein. they try to destroy the lives of justice brett kavanaugh, they have destroyed the lives of a number of young men on college campuses by backing these horrific title ix rules that give young men zero due process when it comes to simple accusations of sexual misconduct. they get kicked out of school, they are forced to leave, they are publicly shamed by administrators and student newspapers. so the issue here, of course, for most voters, if you are a single-issue voter on the issue of sexual abuse, obviously you wouldn't vote for joe biden in this case. but, as we've seen, democrats are more than willing to get behind, because they've done for decades, people who have been

accused of this kind of misconduct. but they brush it aside for the sake of politics. so, she's being dishonest when it comes to not just admitting that they are perfectly willing to put up with this and not pull of the feminist card, so long as a democrat supports or policies. >> melissa: she is saying it is the moral choice to vote for him, because she thinks that, morally, the most good is done for women after having him in office over president trump. i wonder if everyone could be honest that they are voting based on politics, pete, rather than on #metoo in all these other things. to have said, "we oppose justice kavanaugh because we don't agree with his politics and how he stands and how he rules," verses, "no, no, we're only posting because we believe this woman and these allegations." >> pete: it's at least honest to reveal it it's about politics. of course, the idea that you sacrifice the individual for the collective good is the ultimate

leftist idea, right? she is enforcing that. to me, the double standard is what is most maddening. katie addressed that. it is so clear, so glaring. the hate trump media is everywhere and anything related to him and nowhere on anything related biden. here's what i think we should do. we should treat joe biden fairly, we should treat tara reade fairly, we should take a look at it, and the voters get to decide. i think a poll is reflective of the fact that most media has ignored this because their preferred candidate is the one up to scrutiny. i hope this gives us a moment to take a deep breath on this and be evenhanded. >> melissa: we'll see. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. we'll bekn right back. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $2000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered.

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>> melissa: thanks to pete hegseth and the rest of the virtual couch. pete's new book comes out on mar fight to stay free." i can't wait to get my own copy. we look forward to that.

thank you to our audience, as well. here is harris. ♪ >> harris: welcome to "outnumbered overtime." president trump is calling americans warriors as he sips of his push to reopen the nation, despite continued pushback on the risks involved. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the president is appearing to position himself as a wartime president ahead of the november election, calling the coronavirus "the worse attack our nation has ever seen." but saying we must forge ahead. watch. >> this is one of the worst attacks you've ever had. this is worse than pearl harbor, worse than the world trade center. there's never been an attack like this. we have to be warriors. we can't keep our country closed down for years. we have to do something. >> harris: as states begin to reopen, the number