pete: go for it, griff. emily: thank you so much nor joining us today. guys. mornings are always better with friends. griff: everybody get's this for mother's day, a mullet. pete: have a great saturday, everybody. ♪ neil: all right. getting back to work or at least something resembling what had been life before ocean city maryland right now, beaches are officially open today although it is very cold there. in fact, it's cold through much of the midwest, all the way to the northeast. some parts of the northeast are looking at upwards of a foot of snow. beaches are open right now and a lot of businesses are coming back right now. i'm just going to the list of names that have already indicated they're going to start reopenings, apple, simon properties, a mall developer, macy's starbucks, best buy, i could go on and on. suffice it to say if the trend continues with more than half of

the states beginning to unwind sheltering place provision, is now the time we're seeing maybe the economy turn around. welcome, i'm neil cavuto and this is cavuto lives. i am he. let's get to it with the openings that are at least triggering hope that maybe, maybe, what we saw on the unemployment front with the very, very startling number of 14.7% unemployment rate, the highest since the great depression, 20 and-a-half million jobs lost, evidence effy wiping out the 10 million job gain, the comeback from the recession in one single month. everyone looking closely at that, what might be next. and as the economy begins to unwind and loosen up, the hope is that's the worst of it. little too early to say. let's go to david spunt at the white house with what's happening there and what the president's plans are today to address all of this. david. >> reporter: good morning to you. president trump was supposed to be at camp david with senior advisors this weekend but we found out last night he'll be at

the white house meeting with senior military leadership, also members of homeland security inside the cabinet room later this afternoon. this all comes, neil, as a punishing report came out yesterday as you mentioned, 20.5 million americans lost their jobs last month, pushing the unemployment rate to 14.7%, the highest as you said since the great depression and, neil, that is just in april. it does not account for those who have not been able to file for unemployment yet. fox news was told a phase 4 stimulus package will not sit up for another month or so. democrats in the house and senate want one now, arguing the administration is not doing enough to send money to state and local governments. yesterday, the president met with 19 republican members of congress here at the white house to discuss the job numbers and how to move forward, making it clear that he's taking his time. listen. >> we're in no rush. we're in no rush. the democrats have to do what

they have to do but i would say we're not looking -- we want to see what they have, but i can't say that we're in a rush. >> reporter: the virus is getting closer to the president himself. a naval valet who was iwith thet toasted positive. vice president pence and president trump are tested every day. they tested negative. vice president's press secretary tested positive, also an assistant to ivanka trump tested positive and steven miller is taking a self quarantine for 14 days right now. he came in touch with somebody that has tested positive. he's tested negative also, ivanka trump and jared kushner have tested negative. folks at the white house certainly watching this as it seems people closer to the president and vice president are coming down with this. neil. neil: this virus is indies indiscriminate. it it's anyone and everyone, no matter the source of power.

let's get a read on what happened with the economy as everyone seems to be hoping what we saw in that unemployment report is the worst of it. we certainly hope so. a lot of businesses are starting to reopen. even if they're opening at limited capacity, it's better than where they were and that seems to be to hoping to reverse the april jobs report, some people saying that's the of it. crunching number, looking at where we stand going into the reopening process. >> let's start with the three major indices and how they performed this week. the nasdaq was the clear winner, coming back on its 2020 losses with a near 6% gain. but a strong showing for the dow, the s&p, despite the worst unemployment report that you mentioned since the great depression. now, as expected, the job loss was steep, 20.5 million jobs lost in the month of april and the unemployment rate jump to 14.7%. all that job creation in the last 10 years wiped out in a

dramatic swing of this unemployment, some 50-year lows, all because of the coronavirus pandemic. now, larry kudlow said, look, three quarters of the job losses they are temporary, because of the pandemic. but he couldn't say for sure if the worst was over just yet, implying that may's numbers could be severe as well. now, leisure and hospitality as you can imagine, those jobs were the hardest hit. a 47% decline last month, so we're talking about restaurants and hotels shuttering doors because of state lockdown orders, knowing only one thing for sure. when the doors open, things are going to look a lot different. the president said we will rebuild it, we will bring it back, but what business owners are uncertain of is how long that will take, even as the states are starting to reopen, there's some question about consumer appetite in a world where social distancing has become this new normal. the stock market looking past the jobs report to an american

recovery. one of the dow's biggest winners this week was apple. apple, this iconic american brand saying that it is going to start to reopen some of its snores the united states next week and you mentioned some others as well. macy's, kohl's, looking to reopen in may, starbucks also, that kind of thing. so there is optimism here fueling the rally but still a lot to watch for, neil. neil: all right. jackie, thank you very, very much. i think it bears watching this and take a look at the major markets. i don't want to obsess about this but to illustrate how far we have come from lows that were reached a little more than, what, a little more than a month ago, the dow, the s&p 500, the nasdaq are all up more than 30% from those lows. the nasdaq's in positive territory. only about 7% right now from highs that were reached in the early days of february here. the s&p 500, about 13 and-a-half percent away from those highs and the dow about 17%. i only say that to indicate that

the markets are obviously focused on other things rather than the here and now. they know things are awful now. they know the numbers were going to be awful. they're not surprised when they come as awful or more awful than they thought but they're clearly looking ahead. asked what's the deal with the markets, because they don't seem to mirror the economy. they for the moment are looking past that and some promising vaccines, treatments for the virus itself. we'll have more on that later in the show. we were telling you about what's going on in ocean city, maryland, opening beaches today, a host of other states are beginning the reopening, the unwinding process if you will. some are doing is extremely cautiously including in the state of mississippi, a safer and home order that's been extended to may 25th. the governor tate reeves is with us now, the governor of that beautiful state. governor, good to have you back. >> thanks, neil, always good to be on with you. neil: same here, my friend. i did catch your comments to

your constituents saying, i hope i'm quoting you correctly, i am asking you, begging you to exercise your personal responsibility. does that mean that extending some of these stay at home orders or at least some restrictions was because they were not doing that or some were not doing that? >> no, the reason i'm continuing to plead with my constituents, with my fellow mississippians because i believe very strongly that government mandates can only stay in place for so long. we believe that individuals in mississippi are smart, they can make good choices, they can do the things they need to do to keep themselves, to keep their family members, to keep their neighbors safe without government telling them they have to do it and that's one of the things that -- that's a principle that i believe in and something that we are going to happen here in mississippi, we're going to make it happen. the vast majority are adhering to our guidelines. we are beginning to reopen our

economy again. i will tell you, neil, reopen means different things in different states there. are some states that are saying when they start to reopen they'll do things like open construction and open manufacturing. those are industries that never shut down in our state. we're talking about very different things. apples and oranges from state to state based upon the unique situation. neil: governor, i did notice that there are new protocols for salons and barber shops. what does that mean? >> no question, one of the things that we have learned in talking to dr. birx and the coronavirus task force as well as talking to our public health experts is that when you look at these kinds of businesses that have interpersonal contact, it is very critical that we protect not only the employees of these businesses, but also those who come in to get their haircut and other personal grooming services and so what we've done is we've reopened them. they're going to open back at 8:00 a.m. on monday morning. but we put very strict

guidelines in place. protocols. the decision that we made understanding that there is risk associated with it, the decision we made is that there are 45,000 mississippians who work in barber shops or regulated by the cosmetology board, 45,000. we had 200,000 mississippians lose their job over the last six months, so almost a quarter of them were in those two areas and it was because their government shut them down. we know we have to give them an opportunity to earn a living, to provide food for their family, and the way in which to do that is to give them strict guidelines. they want to adhere to them, by the way. i've been hearing from them for the last 24 hours, thanking us for our willingness to understand that we need to allow them to provide for their family but they are excited about it hearing those guidelines. they want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. and i'm looking forward to them doing just that. neil: i wish you well and your

fine folks, governor, thank you very much for taking the time. we do appreciate it. hope all goes smoothly. >> thank you for having me on. neil: thank you, sir. all right. a couple of things we're looking at too. there is political drama building on capitol hill, a lot of democrats are going after attorney general barr, saying that the whole dropping of the flynn case was a little weird. they think he should go. the read on that, after this. our members understand social distancing. being prepared and overcoming challenges. usaa has been standing with them for nearly a hundred years. and we'll be here to serve you for a hundred more. ♪

neil: a lot of democrats are right now furious at bill barr, saying he was not exactly an impartial observer of the justice department when he approved dropping the case against the president's first national security advisor, general michael flynn. with us right now is the former acting attorney general, matt whitaker, on all of that, author of above the law.

i think, matthew, what they're saying is that the attorney general framed himself above the law on this, this is a guy, the general who had already pled guilty to lying about meeting with a russian operative so that's sort of changing things after the fact. what do you think? >> i think what this is all about is the fruit of a poisonous tree. i think the flynn investigation started without predication. it was part of the cross fire hurricane investigation that the fbi was planning on closing until they decided to try to entrap general flynn. i think this is a just outcome. this is what the law demands. sometimes the law isn't popular as i found out myself. at the end of the day, what the law demands is that general flynn and his charges are dismissed and i think this is a good outcome. neil: stubborn residual concern

that he did plead guilty to lying and that is all -- it might have been set up, it might have been forced but he pled guilty to that and it's got even the concern of president barack obama who was surprised it, you've heard former prosecutors who said i've been practicing law longer than i care to admit and i've never seen anything like this, barbara mckwell telling the law journal saying there is nothing in the public records i see to justify the dismissal. in other words, when someone pleads guilty to something and the case is dropped, that's what makes it weird. do you find that aspect weird? >> neil, there's no doubt this is unusual but i do -- i believe it's a just outcome. i think general flynn was entrapped. i think that the predication for investigation into him didn't exist. i also believe this is

unfortunately one of the many examples of the culture that jim comey created at the fbi -- there's so many good people at the fbi and department of justice and it's just a shame that his actions and -- you know, one of the things that really concerned me is how he said, well, i sent them in to talk to general flynn, inconsistent with what happened in the obama administration or the bush administration. you know, there was no exception to those same protocols or procedures in the trump administration. you know, really, he changed the game and changed the rules to unfairly target general flynn and it looks like it was maybe for personal reasons. neil: you know, you talked about james comey, the former fbi director. there are concerns that apparently -- very big ones about the current director, chris wray and his handling of the investigation. do you think that the president is on grounds here to call him into the office, to fire him? what? >> so, i worked with chris wray

and i've known chris since about 2004 and i know that he's not a loud public figure. i know that he's gone about his business in trying to restore the fbi to its proper place within the department of justice as the premier law enforcement agency and he's done it without a lot of flash, without a loss of press which is certainly different than the way jim comey and bob mueller had run the department of justice. but you know, the attorney general, bill barr, needs to have confidence in chris wray and that's one thing i just don't have a lot of visibility. my personal relationship with chris is strong but again, i haven't been at the doj for over a year and so bill barr's the best person to give the advice to the president as to what to do with the leader of the fbi. neil: still without belaboring this point, matt, no other prosecutor signed on to this measure to drop everything concerning general flynn and i go back to the time i think four

prosecutors were left at the time, on the leniency, the more lenient sentencing recommendation for roger stone. i'm just wondering whether there's a disconnect here among the rank and file who wonder whether the leadership might be doing the president's bidding. >> well, so in the case of general flynn, he had a u.s. attorney in jeff jebson in st. louis look at the flynn case and give him recommendations as to what should happen with that case. i think saying no other pro prosecutors were involved, you know, there were other prosecutors involved. in the case of roger stone, again -- neil: nose were the outsigh -- those were the outside ones brought in to address this, am i correct? >> they were. and again, the roger stone case is a prime example where really prosecutors that are fair-minded, both within -- former and current, would suggest that the roger stone

sentencing recommendation was way out of bounds compared to other cases of similar fact patterns. so again, i think sometimes partisan prosecutors from oftentimes the obama administration or even the clinton administration get on and provide a lot of hyperbole. if they're being fair-minded, most prosecutors know how these cases turn out because they've seen thousands of them, just like i have. so i mean, i think this is one of those things that we've got to divorce partisan politics from doing justice and the further we are able to do that and restore the integ -- integrity and accountability at the department of justice, i think we'll all be better off. neil: the judge has to effectively write off on this, i guess. >> yeah, i mean, once a grand jury has indicted someone and then a judge has accepted a plea, the department of justice is not only voice. and so the judge is going to have to sign off on this and you know, it's going to be very

interesting to see what the judge in this case does. neil: all right. matt, thank you very much for getting up on a saturday and talking with us and sorting this out. i appreciate it. i have a feeling the upper -- uproar on this on both sides isn't going away anytime soon. in the meantime, football's coming back. i want you to look at met life stadium right now in the new york, new jersey area. now, we know that players are soon going to be back on the field. the big issue, is there going to be anyone in the stands? terry bradshaw on deck after this.

neil: all right. get ready for the games to begin. the football games we're talking about. the nfl releasing schedules for all its teams right now, that

will kick off in the fall and hopefully by that time a lot of the virus pressure and concerns will have eased enough to get people back to watching it. the question, will they be watching from the stands, that could be another matter. terry bradshaw, fox sports analyst, hall of famer, his take on all of this. what do you think about this, games on? >> good morning, neil. i'm probably like everyone else, i'm excited that if we can -- we're going to have the nfl season, we're all sitting here, i've already had two phone calls this morning about what's going to happen, do you think the fans will be in the stands and so on, so forth. that just depends on how this virus continues, if it starts going the downward trend and we feel safe enough and people go with the masks and rubber gloves and whatever, they will have people in the stands. if we don't have people in the stands, i think the games go on. i do believe you're going to

have football and at fox, i mean, with tom brady coming over with tampa bay now, it's an exciting time for us and i think our viewers out there should sit back and relax and think this is going to help take some of the stress off. i do believe the nfl will be broadcast, absolutely. neil: you know, i jif you weren viewer, it might not matter as much whether there are fans in the stands. but obviously if you're there and maybe for the players it will be a little weird. assuming right now that at best we're looking at limited capacity or they fill the stands at 50% capacity, i have no idea, how is all of this going to go down? >> well, you know, i think -- i don't either. nobody does. it just depends on -- listen, we've got roughly four and-a-half, five months. i can't imagine that things are

going to be as they are right now. i've got to believe things are going to be better. now, i told my wife, i said look, it could be odd seating on the first home game, then it could be even seating on the second home game. who knows what roger goodell and his staff will come up with. he's a smart man and the solution will be -- it will relate to the problem. but i do believe -- even if we had -- listen, neil, even if we had empty stands, if we're -- if we've got our cameras there and we're doing a game, i can promise you it's going to be exciting. the players may not feel the energy from the crowd but they'll be thrilled to be out there playing. it will just be different and we can adjust to being different. we have to. neil: yeah, we already have. you're quite right. but no one will top your energy, terry. i'm not worried you're not going to deliver on that aspect. can i ask you something, though?

you looked at a lot of these match-ups, i bet. which ones are you really looking forward to? what are the must-see games? >> i really just looked at a few games. i don't study -- i mean, there's too many games out there. i'm so interested in tampa and on fox our very first game is going to be the tampa bay bucs are going to be playing the new orleans saints. that will be our to be our primy game at 4:00. can't wait for that. a huge game. we've got green bay at tampa. tampa bay buccaneers, neil, i know they have maybe been a laughing stock over the last few seasons but with gronkowski and brady there now, everybody wants a piece of the buccaneers and fox has their share of them. our first thursday night game is tampa bay at chicago. that's going to be exciting. of course my wife is a chiefs fan and we've got october 15t october 15th, we've got the

chiefs at buffalo, two playoff teams, one winning the super bowl in kansas city. then we have miami at new orleans. we've got a really good thursday night schedule. our opening weeks, just with tampa and new orleans which by the way tampa has historically played well in new orleans and beaten them quite a few times. so this is going to be the one everybody wants to see. how is brady, how's gronk and is tampa bay the team to beat going to the super bowl. we'll have to wait and see but it's going to be fun. neil: what about the patriots without brady? how do you think they do? >> that's not going to be good. i thought when they made that trade and got a fourth round pick, i thought bill was going to put together a bunch of picks and move up and go to quarterback. they didn't do that. maybe he likes the kid that's going to start right now out of

auburn, steadman or -- he's a good college quarterback. he played some last year but not the same, neil. not the same at all. look, you have these dine cities and -- dynasties. then we all go got old. the same with new england. they had their run since 2002 and now it's going down. neil: i'm telling you, that division the team to watch the buffalo bills. you're the expert but i play one on tv. i think they're the ones to watch in that division. we'll see, my friend. good to see you, terry. >> you must be a bills fan. [ laughter ] neil: no, no, no, i just point it out to you. that's all. >> oh, you're pointing it out to me. neil: thank you. good to see you. >> good to see you. thanks for having me on. neil: i'm up on this football stuff. >> i know you are. i can tell. neil: terry bradshaw. we have a lot more coming up. rather sad news to report. little richard, the founding father of rock, all sorts of

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neil: promising news on the coronavirus, health and human services has announced shipments are being donated for hospitalized patients. this is a gilead sciences drug that has been promising in treating advanced covid-19 cases and dramatically accelerating recoveries. i want to get the read on all of this from our dr. nicole saphier, fox news medical

contributor. she does give you some very good tips how you can really just take control of your life. doctor, good to have you back. thank you. let me ask you first about the push the news with remdesivir, the full court press now to get this out, get this to those who need it right away. how do you think all of this sort of goes? >> well, what we've been hearing from dr.s birx and fauci, they've been hesitant to recommend any treatment until we had research that backs the effectiveness and lo and behold, it did take a little bit of time but we do have legitimate, albeit small trials, showing that remdesivir does have positive effect when it comes to treating covid-19, it lessens the length of hospitalization. now, let me tell you, we're going to need further studies to see the true benefit of remdesivir but at this point the goal is to get patients out of the hospital sooner and we do have some positive studies

showing us that this medication may do it. so what's the next step? the next step is getting access to such medication and so this is great news hearing that not only -- we've already heard that remdesivir is being donated and is going to be accessible widely throughout the country. we're seeing there's going to be more shipments which makes it more widely accessible will helps so much as we have so many americans in the hospital fighting covid-19. neil: doctor, we touched on this before. there's some concern in the new york metropolitan area in particular that cases are still stubbornly high, as are deaths. what's even odder is close to seven out of 10 of those have been practicing all the mitigation, sheltering at home measures that have been advocated by experts. what do you make of that? >> well, neil, it's interesting. you're referring to the survey that governor cuomo mentioned earlier in the week where he said they surveyed 1200 people who are currently in the

hospital of new york and it showed that 86% of the people who were recently hospitalized with covid-19 were following stay at home orders, they were working from home, unemployed or retired. what the question didn't answer for me was, okay, the virus isn't outside traveling randomly in the air, this is where contact tracing comes into play. okay, who actually brought the virus into the household and when you have tens of millions of americans living in multigenerational homes, specifically in new york city, we have a lot of them, that is what we have to look at and where the virus is actually coming from when we know that such asymptomatic spread is so high, it is likely there is at least one essential worker or one person going out who is bringing it back home and they may not have demonstrated any symptoms but they're clearly bringing it back to the people in the house. the biggest thing that came out of that survey for me, though, and as you alluded to, because i wrote an entire book about it, is that america has a chronic

illness problem. the biggest predictive factor as to whether someone requires hospitalization or not, wasn't age, we keep saying the elderly are vulnerable, yes, being elderly does make you more vulnerable. 96% of the people hospitalized with covid-19 on the survey had at least one pre-existing health condition. when we have 60% of american adults with one, that's a big problem. and the most common were obesity, cardiovascular disease and hypertension and, neil, i hate to tell you, but my book talks about it. up to 80% of those cases could have potentially been prevented through lifestyle modifications and the good news is, it's not too late. you can actually change some lifestyle behaviors right now to lessen the rick and lessen -- risk and lessen the severity and protect you from covid-19. neil: i read the book. i did check off maybe one or two boxes, doctor. this isn't about me. this is avoiding you talking about me.

let me switch gears if i can in all seriousness. warmer weather is coming. you wouldn't know it. much of the eastern half of the country right now, some areas will be dealing with snow. but the argument is that warmer weather is going to help mitigate cases or at least dram attic uptick -- dramatic uptick in them. do you agree with that. >> respiratory viruses tend to die off towards the warmer, more humid months, largely because respiratory droplets can't travel as far in the air. if you think about increased ventilation, people being outside, windows open, that whim lessen -- will lessen how much of the respiratory viruses are circulating around. it's not going to make it go away completely. the biggest concern as we come into the summer months, we have to make sure we are getting people outside. we need the vitamin d. we need the social interaction. our children need the physical activity. i'm really calling on the private sector and those to

figure out how can we reopen and get people outside and do it in a safe manner we know how to protect ourselves from the virus. as we're seeing from the survey in new york, just staying home isn't necessarily working for everyone. people need to take individual accountability, how they're going to protect themselves, their family while also trying to reopen the economy because the economic fallout and the subsequent mental health consequences are legitimate. neil: dr. saphier, the book is make america healthy again, a wake-up call for all of us. doctor, thank you very good. i'll havhave a wonderful weekena great mother's day. we're getting -- we look at these companies take are coming back as we said in the outset of the show, the states that are coming back, a lot of people looking at this, oh, my god, how are we going to get things open in the middle of a recession, an awful, awful recession. i want you to meet the founders

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neil: all right. how would you like to get your business going, maybe even if it's a new business in the middle of something like this. unemployment rates are the highest since the great depression, 14.7%. i think ken langone and bernie marcus would say kind of been there, kind of done that. they were in an environment like that when i talked with them in a virtual town hall forum on all of this, remembering what life was like in the late 1970s, for you of a certain age it was not the best of economic times. yet, with perseverance, grit and actually a good sense of humor, they did that and they told me how they did that. take a look.

♪ neil: will we get through this? i think my next guests would say yeah, because they're living proof you can get through crises. home depot is an iconic name, a thriving business. they've employed hundreds of thousands through the years and even now and have proven you can triumph through adversity. welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having me. >> how are you? i love ya. neil: i'm fine. i'm fine too, guys. don't worry about that. >> the american people are the most full of more ingentlemen new at this -- ingenuity than anyone i've known. i've watched up and downs. i have great faith in the american people. >> i agree with bernie. do not sell america short.

we are at our very best when we have our backs to the wall. >> the way the ppe is set up, they're forcing me to use 75% of that money on employees i don't need. i don't have clients right now. what i do need in order to have any chance of surviving this is to pay the bills, the rent, the utilities, the insurance, and i want to know who can we contact to change these rules? >> it's going to be up to you and you're going to have to figure out ways to do it. you asked about who to contact. i would say your representatives in your state and also your senators, call them and explain what's happening. they're working on other plans now. they're working on a fourth one. let's make sure we don't blow the money which is what they're trying to do, money going to museums, money going to stupid things that they don't belong and where people are struggling to make a living, have to pay money for their families, you've got to open your mouths and you've got to say it's time for

you to take care of us. >> i was out today and i saw businesses reopening and people doing it in a very safe way with gloves on and masks on but i see business owners putting out balloons, drawing chalk on the sidewalk, anything to get attention and trying to get the customers back and i think that we have the spirit to overcome it. >> my question to bernie and ken is this. do they see any new business opportunities opening up for the entrepreneur after this pandemic is over? >> there's no better country on this earth to start a business in than america. we're the best. there will never be another united states of america ever again. take advantage of it. notwithstanding the burden that politicians sometimes put on us with excess regulations, with meaningless rules and requirements, all those things, there's still a great opportunity here. i can't wait to get up and go to work tomorrow. why? because i love what i'm doing and i want to do what i'm doing. that's the key. neil: what do i do if i like

what ken is saying, i like the message bernie's delivering but i've got this portfolio right now that looks like it could be hurting? >> going forward, i think that if you look at the experts, they are saying pick companies that have must-use goods and services, that people don't want to scale back on or cut. >> wondering what else we can do to help these family farms that are working on a daily basis to stay in business so that we have food in our grocery stores going forward. thank you. >> those housewives out there that are going in and buying up all the meat that you can, it's just like the toilet paper thing and the paper towels, you don't have to do that. there's going to be plenty of food out there. neil: that was me doing that, bernie, but i just like meat so i've got to watch that. >> we enjoyed it almost as much as we enjoy watching next flicks. we are both in high school and want to share if you share -- want to know if you share the

point that nothing can stop american capitalism. what will america be like in next 15 years, will it be more socialist? >> this country should stay with capitalism and i hope the young people of this country don't get used to free things because free things aren't free. you have to pay for them eventually. >> i think america's best days are ahead of us. principally because the young people like this young lady that called in with a question, don't ever give up on america. we're the best country on earth. neil: we had enormous reaction to that on fox business because they spoke to something that's in our dna, optimism. we get through it and constantly i'm reminded companies like home depot, think of microsoft, think of dell, i could go on and on. they were all started in the middle of bad recessions. do you see a pattern here? if you have a certain mindset

and are optimistic, even in these guys' case, you want to start a company like home depot and neither of you are remotely handy, you can do that. this is a great country -- is this a great country or what? stay with us.

♪ neil: all right. getting impossible to find some meat these days with the shortages of the supply chain problems, well, this next guest says there is an alternative to that, i'm talking about impossible foods. its ceo, pat brown with us right now. pat, obviously your business doesn't need any meat shortage

to benefit. i'm sure this moved a lot of people to plant-based meat and the like and you have been benefiting. what are you seeing happening now? >> well, actually we haven't been benefiting from the meat shortage in terms of sales. sorry, i'm getting feedback here. we haven't been benefiting in terms of sales. but we have been benefiting indirectly in a different way. and that is that a lot of current meat consumers, the consumers that we really want to reach out to, are looking at plant-based products for the first time and looking at the impossible meat for the first time. so we were already selling before this covid event and spot meat shortages. i think what's happening is new consumers are trying our

products for the first time and we've seen historically that a vast majority of people that buy our products are becoming -- i think in the long run the meat shortage are expanding the number who have tried this. neil: it tastes like the real mccoy. i tried your product my c i think that surprises people, doesn't it? >> yeah, that's a very interesting point. i think even more so when -- a lot of people love the experience, when you cook it yourself it's magical. that's the reason why chefs have tended to react so positively to it, is that there's never been a plant-based product that behaves the way the impossible burger does in the kitchen.

plant-based products -- neil: good stuff. >> it gets warmer when you cook it. neil: i'm sorry to jump out of this. you're on to something here. i apologize for the audio. ...

>> all right, as we get into the second hour, welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto and you're watching fox continuing coverage of the slow, but steady reopening of the united states of america. a lot of beaches are beginning to reopen. just in the past week we've seen that going on across the state of florida and there were slip-ups early on, a host of them in california last week where the governor had to pounce and say, all right, some beaches are going to have to close, but as we look at jacksonville, florida, there it seems to be working out just okay. and low reopening of restaurants and the like and including eventually in the west palm beach and dade county area and

things are locked down when it comes to crowds congregating. a lot of folks are wondering about the reopening process and wondering how we got to this point. what maybe those in power, in the administration and elsewhere, how they were handling this in the earliest days. enter dr. anthony fauci who is going to be testifying to a senate committee next week on this very subject. i want to get the read on all of that from mark meredith reporting from washington. hey, mark. >> as you mentioned dr. anthony fauci will be among those on capitol hills next week. democrats were furious that fauci was not allowed to testify before a house submarine committee only a few days ago. the white house blocked that from happening. president trump said he felt that the house was filled with trump haters and that he would not send fauci to testify. meantime the head of the food and drug administration, he is self-quarantining after coming

into contact with someone with coronavirus. they say that dr. stephen hahn will stay home for 14 days to be safe and he was scheduled for the hearing with fauci and the senate next week. the white house is responding to a story by the associated press that the administration shelved advice by the c.d.c. about how communities could reopen. the ap shows that it was submitted to the white house last month and held internally and the documents eventually leaked out to the associated press. and they said through the white house an hour ago, quote, the reopening guidance shared prematurely was in draft form and had not been vetted through the interagency process. this story is playing out. on friday, the latest jobs report, neil, as you know, the numbers show how the virus devastated so many american pocket books, the right just under 15%, 47% lost coming from

the hospitality and tourism industry. and three senators say those numbers are why congressmen should send american struggling to pay their bill roughly $2,000 a month until it ends, it appears to be a nonstarter with the senate republicans and white house. on friday the white house says negotiations about the next potential stimulus bill were on hold. and neil, it's unclear when the discussions could resume. neil. neil: thank you, my friend, very, very much. mark meredith in washington with more on that. as you know, with the dr. fauci testimony next week, a lot of people are interested in getting to the bottom of what the administration knew and when it knew it. this could go along some party lines here. already overnight we got word of a phone call in which president barack obama has blasted the administration and the president for what he called its absolute chaotic response to all of this, and coupled it with the flynn charges being dropped, saying that it's chaotic disaster.

i'm sure my next guest doesn't quite share that view. we have republican senator tim scott of the beautiful state of south carolina, his book "opportunity knocks" is out and i highly recommend it for anybody who looks at being on the the opposite side of the tracks. >> hope you're doing well. neil: what do you make of these obama comments? obviously, the conversations on the phone call picked up that he is echoing something we've heard from others, that at least democrats who say the administration's response has been weak here. now, not all democrats because others, like the california governor talked about how the president has delivered for his state, but this is going to be a theme, no doubt, that's going to come up in the dr. fauci testimony with some of your democratic colleagues and maybe

some of your republican ones. what do you think? >> no doubt. i'd say that the former president's comments were unhelpful, unnecessary and unfortunate. the truth is when you're in the middle of a pandemic, a global pandemic the world has never seen before, let's focus on all hands on deck, pushing in the same direction. we need to get our economy back open at the same time we need to continue to flatten this curve, and to reinvest in testing, testing, testing, and if the comments are not headed in that direction, then we're having a conversation that should be delayed until after we are beyond this pandemic or at least on the tail end of the pandemic, we're not there yet. we have a lot of work to be done. we need every single mind focusing how, a, keep americans healthy and b, reignite this economy because that for, unfortunately will need to even more deaths than we have predicted so far. neil: you know, you talk about the economy, senator, and harkening back to your book, "opportunity knocks", you talk

about the disparates in various groups and i was thinking about african-americans and the progress that had been made, dramatically reducing their unemployment rates and getting more jobs, and reversing itself in light of the shutdown and the economy, it's unavoidable, but those rates are going up-- those unemployment rates are going up on a faster rate than they are for whites. does that concern you? >> well, i think any unemployment concerns me. i mean, think about it this way, hispanics were around 4.2% in february and in april they're almost 20%. african-americans were around 5.2, 5.3%, february early march and now we're at 18.7%, whites have seen their numbers double or triple, and asians have done the same thing. lower, but yet, we're still seeing that. what that tells is a couple of things. number one, if you're on the lower end of the economic totem pole you typically have jobs that require you to go to work and some of those jobs requires

you to go to work in the retail sector, the restaurant sector and in the hotel sector. those three have been devastated. if we're going to get those numbers coming back down, we've got to focus our attention on consumer confidence to go into retail stores, to go into restaurants and to do business travel and leisure travel that includes hotels. so i think this is a temporary shift in the numbers. for us to get it back, we have to realize the american economy is driven by confidence. it's an intangible thing that becomes tangible in our activities. we haven't seen that yet. so the country and the states can reopen the restaurants and the hotel rooms and the retail outlets, but unless we have confidence from the american people, they won't show up which means that that stagnant unemployment rate that's been around for five or five weeks will not get better quickly. that's bad news for the economy.

it's worse news for america's health and we're going to have to tackle that and i will direct towards dr. fauci the same way i did last week with dr. collins. we have a chance to reshape this recovery, reshape the health crisis by having more tests on demand and by using some of the latest technologies, something called crisper, which is as close to a genetic knife as you get. we've got some tools at our disposal that i'm pretty excited about from a scientific perspective that may actually help us to flatten the curve and maybe even see it have had a sharp decline over the next several weeks as we have more tests in the marketplace. we are heading in the right direction and getting there faster than we were just two or three weeks ago. neil: you know, there are a lot of people who have criticized the president for being in this rush to reopen the economy without addressing the concerns of medical personnel. this report that the white house buried a c.d.c. study that

looked at ways to go about this and some of the things and precautionary measures you should take. i don't know where you stand on that, but among some of the recommendations they wanted were a lot more aggressive than stuff we're seeing now. do you know anything about that? and do you think that the administration is rushing this? >> i don't think the administration is rushing it. i think what we have to do is to take a look at our reigniting the economy from a panoramic perspective and then go from the macro to the micro. said differently, there are parts of the american economy and places like south and north dakota where you have low density and allows you to have a faster opening and frankly, a faster recovery. my former colleague governor nome of south dakota has already been able to move forward because her state has not been negatively impacted. states like south carolina,

we've had some impact, we can move forward as long as we do it with a methodical reopening. no one is rushing at least in south carolina and states i've satisfieded around the country. neil: all right, we're watching closely, senator. good seeing you again. be well, be safe. >> thank you, neil. take care. neil: all right, senator scott. let's raise this up with the doctor because the issue what's safe, what's advisable, what c.d.c. findings are right, accurate or may be overblown is an issue i want to pick up with the good doctor. doctor, always good having you. first off, how you think this process is going so far this reopening of the country. >> good morning, neil. it's a pleasure to be with you. we have to bring about the reopening the country yesterday not today so that's good for us, but we have to do it carefully and what's going well for us is

these numbers of testing that allows us to detect early on and trace isolation. and it's the right time to consider opening. different states are at different stage of the virus circulation and they can do it much easier and much faster than other states. neil: so the guidelines, what would -- as a doctor where we're obviously opening up states, but if we saw a spike in cases, i guess that's inevitable, i think the president has acknowledged that, but it's got to be within a certain range. where are you on that? a number of governors told if we keep the number of new positive cases at under 3% when we get new testing and there's more testing results, that that would be a good metric to use to keep the reopening process going. what do you recommend, doctor? >> i recommend based on your

public health capacity to do that tracing and the ability to catch the cases early on. so if a state has enough to do the tracing and the system in place and public health has to be ready for them, they can do it. that's the combination of where the virus is, percentage of new cases and how much force in terms of public health you have to handle that. if you have an outbreak in a location, you can go and control it and not allow it to spread somewhere else. it's a balance between how many people right now you have to do the tracing and how much tests you have and where the disease is in your own state. california, for example, is at a better position right now. my state is in a good position to consider opening sometime next week. neil: all right. doctor, we'll watch it very, very closely. dr. mokdad, following it closely. you probably heard of the salon owner sprung from prison from no

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>> well, i wanted to make sure that across the board, when it came to all of these executive orders, whether it be the state or the local, county executive orders in response to this pandemic, that business owners should not be put behind bars because of the lack of compliance. there are other compliance measures that can be used, but jail time is the wrong solution for this time. neil: all right. texas governor abbott, springing shelly luther, the salon owner in texas put in jail for what would be seven days saying that that was ridiculous, that she has a living to protect, so she was sprung. a lot of people are already saying, shelley, you should run for office now. she's among one of the most popular people in the lonestar state.

i want to get a read on this from andrew mccarthy, former u.s. attorney, good read of all things, maybe legal or not legal. andrew, good to have you. and what do you think of the governor's moves, saying the judge overstepped his bounds and that he owed an apology for doing what he did. >> i think the governor did the right thing. as the justice department said a number of times, it should not be an american's job to prove that his or her job is essential. it's the government's job to demonstrate your job can't be performed in any manner unless you have the burdens that they want to impose. i don't think they've come near that in -- down in texas where that proceeding took place, and to put her in jail, neil, i think at the very least, if you want to do something crazy like that, sentence here, but give

her some time to appeal so that some other court can count to 10 and review it. but the way that was done was, i thought, shameful. neil: yeah, it did team a little idiotic. let me ask you about measures taken elsewhere like in states where people on beaches, for example, are congregating too closely and you see officers handing out summons or know wha honest, andrew. is that even legal? >> well, you know, it may be that in a particular state the law gives the governor authority to impose strictures in an emergency and no doubt trying to fight off an infectious disease can certainly be characterized that way especially given the number of people who have died. i think, neil, the more important issue, if you took all of the police forces, federal, state, municipal, across the country, you could not impose these kinds of restrictions on

330 million people unless you get public buy-in and public cooperation. and i just think that when the police are seeing to be put in a position of enforcing these measures in an arbitrary way, in a capricious way, in a politicized way in california where, for example, the restrictions were much greater in orange county, which are mainly a lot of republican towns and cities, versus other places in california, that is not a way to get people to buy into this. neil: you know, while i've got you here, andrew, i did want to get your case on the dropping of all charges against michael flynn and even got the stunned surprise of president obama in this phone call that's released right now where he says it was a travesty. others have been claiming they don't recall a time where someone who has pled guilty to a crime has had the entire issue

thrown out. what do you make of, you know, the outroar from a certain sect, but very angry sect. >> well, i guess, on president obama, i think the best defense is a good offense. a lot of us who have been watching this closely for a long time have pointed out that he is smack in the middle of the facts of the flynn investigation at the time that they were creating that perjury trap that they used to try to get charges on him. so, it's not surprising to see president obama lash out because the microscope or the spotlight is now starting to turn on what happened in early january of 2017 and to my mind, it's way overdue. and as for whether cases get dismissed the way this one has, it's rare because the kind of abuses that happened here are rare, but the fact of the matter is, if the justice department had tried to go to court and

tried to try the case that they got general flynn to plead guilty to, it would have been laughed out of court. they had no case. it was reliant on two agents who took his statement who have deep, deep credibility problems. i don't think they could have proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt, i don't see how they could have. neil: so then what do you make of the president, i'm talking about barack obama, the fact there's no precedent that anybody could find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scott free, he goes on to say that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried about basic, not just institutional norms, but our basic understanding of the law is at risk. what did you make of that? >> well, i was worried about that during fast and furious, during the obama administration when they obstructed the investigation of that. i was worried about it when the obama administration and president obama used the bureaucracy to try to crush

dissent from conservative organizations that were trying to organize against him in connection with the election. so i thought there was a lot of irregularities that went on during those years. i'm glad he's finally concerned about that sort of stuff. neil: all right. very good having you, my friend. be well. we'll see how this all sorts out here. there's a lot more coming up, including what's happening right now in these states reopening. michigan tends to drive a lot of the protest movement here because some of the measures that governor whitmer has imposed there go beyond just your simple lockdown. now she's loosening things up, the read from very important congressman from that state, some democratic leadership in the united states congress. i'll let you know who she is after this.

>> well, let the reopenings begin. in michigan, they have been going very, very slowly. she does plan to see some manufacturing facilities open on monday, but others have been protesting she's going about it too slowly and a number of restaurants, please, governor can we at least reopen ourselves by the 29th? no guarantees or answers yet from the governor. congressman dan kildee, a congressman from the state and also the chief house whip. dan, good to have you. thanks for coming. >> thank you, neil. neil: as you know, people do get restless in the middle of these reopenings, some want it sooner rather than later. where are you on the pacing that's going on right now in michigan that has a wrap for-- rap for being among the slowest. we've been hit really hard in michigan and that contributes to the problem.

and we have to be deliberate about this in order to make sure that we keep bending that curve down. i learned this morning i lost a friend i've known since high school to covid-19, so this is a real problem here. in terms of the pace, i think the governor's got it about right. i was on the phone with her team yesterday and what they're trying to do is the testing and tracing with the ability to open up certain sectors of the economy, so that we can keep an eye on things, so that if things get difficult, and if in the area or a particular facility, you can act quickly to dial things down. so i think it's about right. i know it's frustrating, i understand the frustration, and want to get back to work, but i think she's got it about right and it's going to make some people irritated, no question about it, but that's sometimes what we have to do in order to protect public health. neil: congressman, are you hearing any word as to when the house returns to washington? i know the senate's already back. democrats have gotten a lot of criticism for not being back.

what have you heard? >> i think we'll be back next week, at least the plan is. we've been working on the next step of our legislation. as you know, there is a need to continue to support small business, and certainly state and local governments that are really struggling. we're crafting legislation and working hard on it for the last couple of weeks. my hope is we'll be back next week and we got a call and seems that's the target. the way i look at it, we need to get back there when we're ready to act. i think we will be next week. in the meantime, we work from home, it's busy, a little less convenient, certainly not as efficient, but able to get our work done. neil: you know, you probably heard by now, congressman, barack obama's been very critical, at least on a phone call, he didn't suspect would be leaked out to the public of the president's handling of this pandemic, to say nothing of the whole general flynn dropping of all charges.

but on the pandemic, even going so far as to say that it's been a disaster, an absolute chaotic disaster. i find it odd because a number of democratic governors say just the opposite. where are you on this? >> i think there's going to be plenty of time for a sort of after-action review to talk about the administration, congress, governors, local and state governments, how we handled this and what we can do to improve it. right now democrats and republicans are not the enemy, the state governments and the federal government are not the enemies, coronavirus is the enemy and we need to stay united in fighting that enemy until we defeat it. i may have my views, but right now my job is to make sure that we all succeed and that includes president trump succeeding. you know, as you know, he and i have big differences, but when it comes to defeating this virus we have to stay focused and united. there will be plenty of time for us after this has passed, after

this unity in battling the coronavirus is successful, there will be plenty of chance for us to see what we criticize and what we think we should have done better and i will have some thoughts, but this is not the time for my point of view. neil: is that your polite way of saying that president obama should just shut up? >> look it, i don't make much of a habit of giving advice to presidents and former presidents what they ought to say. i know in my role i'm working to try to get resources, my focus is to try to stay focused on the problem knowing that i will have some differences with this president and we'll point them out when the time comes, but right now, i think i need to stay focus on the goal. neil: all right, congressman kildee, very good health. your family, your constituents, be well. >> thank you, neil, i appreciate that. you, too. neil: all right. you know, he was hailed at the

white house, a landlord giving tenants a break. it caught the president's attention and couaught ours. besides me praying to the good lord, i pray for our dear president and i tell god, please, give him the strength and the power because he's not only our leader of the great united states, the whole world is following this gentleman.

>> all right. governor andrew cuomo addressing the media right now and the latest on hospitalization, some of the progress that's been made in the empire state. let's listen in to this. >> so there are people who we know we made every effort possible to save and to the extent there's some peace in th that, then we're looking for peace wherever we can. priority for us today is dealing with the new issue that has come up, which is truly disturbing and that is the issue on how the covid virus may affect young people, very young people,

infants, children in elementary school. we had thought initially, and again, so many of what the initial information we had turned out not to be correct or turned out to be modified, but we were laboring under the impression that young people were not affected by covid-19 and that was actually good news, right, the vulnerable populations were older people, people with comorbidity, but one of the few rays of good news was young people weren't affected. we're not so sure that that is the fact anymore. toddler, elementary school children are presenting symptoms similar to kawasaki disease or toxic shock-like syndrome. now, these are children who come in who don't present the

symptoms that we normally are familiar with with covid. it's not a respiratory illness. they're not in respiratory distress and i think that's one of the reasons why this may be getting discovered this far into the process. it's more inflammation of the blood vessels which can then cause problems with their heart and there are 73 cases that the department of health, dr. zucker, is now studying, but the illness has taken the lives of three young new yorkers. so this is new and it's developing. the department of health has communicated with the federal officials, the c.d.c., and the c.d.c. has asked new york to develop national criteria for this so that other states, other

hospital systems can also be checking into this and looking into this. again, as it turns out, these children happen to have the covid antibodies or be positive for covid, but those were not the symptoms they showed when they came into the hospital system. so, it's still very much a situation that is developing, but it is a serious situation. the department of health is also going to be working with the new york genome center and rockefeller university to conduct a genome and rna sequencing study to see if there's something about these children that may present a definable situation, but rest assured the department of health is on top of it. this is the last thing that we need at this time, with all that's going on, with all the

anxiety we have now for parents to have to worry about whether or not their youngster was infected, and again, symptoms that don't even seem like the symptoms we associate with covid-19 so we still have a lot to learn about this virus and every day is another eye-opening situation. but rest assured, the department of health is doing everything that they can do. i think it's fair to say that the new york state department of health is the first one that has been on this situation and again, working with the c.d.c. and whatever we find out, we'll not only share with the public, but we'll share with other states and other hospital systems because it is very possible that this has been going on for several weeks and it hasn't been diagnosed as related to covid. so again, we'll keep you updated.

i know many people are concerned about that, as they should be. a priority that we've been working on throughout has been protecting our front line workers. we're very aware of the sacrifices that our front line workers are making, so, so many of us can stay home and stay safe and we want to make sure we're doing everything we can to protect our front line workers. we're working with the health care workers, police officers, firefighters, emt's and in new york we have to keep the transit systems working and that's how many of the frontline workers get to work. if we got to a situation where we had to close down public transit, our hospital system would have suffered. that's how nurses get there, that's how the hospital staff gets there. but our transit workers had to operate that transit system right in the midst of this covid

virus and it never stopped. bus operators, train operators, the station cleaners, so, while everyone was trying to get home, trying to stay safe, they were showing up for work every day. neil: all right, we're continuing to monitor governor cuomo. i did notice also some data that's been shared by the state of new york on those hospitalizations i mentioned continuing to improve. in other words, the hospitalization count continues to go down as it has now, i think, for 13 days running, but the news item there that we're focusing on is what the governor is noting happening in child-related cases, separate illnesses born of the virus itself that has claimed the lives of three children in the state of new york. they're kind of flummoxed to explain it, understand it and getting help from the c.d.c. and others to get to the bottom of it. and that's the news there. again, that issue

notwithstanding and certainly not one that you dismiss, the trend seems to be overall in new cases and hospitalizations continuing to go in the right direction. so we're focusing on that. the state of new york, obviously, great interest to my next against. mar mario salerno is a brooklyn landlord. he waived rent to a lot of his folks, he got the attention of the white house and he was praised at the white house for that and he returned the favor and thanked the president, that he was praying for the president and praying for continued progress on this. mario salerno joins us. great to have you, sir. >> thank you. neil: that's quite the honor. i'm seeing you at the rose garden, not too many people get to go there. what did you think of the fact that this good deed, and you weren't looking for notoriety or fame got the attention of the

white house? >> i was very honored and that's the part of my life i like to play. i like to help everyone in desperate need, especially now, how the great country is starting to stumble. so that's how i felt really honored. neil: well, you did a great job, by the way. you were very smooth up there, too. that could be an unnerving experience. you know, mario, we were talking about the new york governor. he has a measure to just hold off on landlords pushing tenants out for three months. how do you feel about that? >> well, it's a little offended, but me as a landlord, i still have to repair a hot water heater, a sink, i have to maintain the building and make sure it's safe for everyone, especially with this virus of a monster that we have, but i have to make sure that my buildings

are cleansed, daily, twice a day and i have people, we have an extra amount of people in apartments right now because no one is practically working for the exception of essential. so it was a little offensive to myself, but it's fine. it's a new york experience. neil: all right. mario, i wish you well. you did a beautiful job there and you've got a lot of great tenants, i'm sure. and mario salerno, a sensation, could run for office if he wanted to. we have' got a lot more coming up. we're focusing on what the governor is saying, the propose represents of cases in young people is getting a lot of interest in new york, whether it's unique to new york and whether this is happening in other states. we'll have much more after this.

>> all right. we're still monitoring governor andrew cuomo. the good news first, the three day rolling average of new covid-19 hospitalizations in the state continues to improve at 572 in the latest period versus 604. this continues the trend that has gone on now consistently, really, for almost two weeks. here is the bad news or at least worrisome news. there have been new cases involving children. the governor says it's a rare inflammatory illness that's linked to covid-19, but they don't know exactly how and three young new york children have died from it. so we're following that. we're also looking at death counts that did tick up to 226 in the latest day from 216 a day earlier, but sadly, those are lagging indicators. they look at hospitalizations as more of a forward one. that looks promising. obviously, any death is tragic as the governor said, it was the

president said, but the trend by and large has been declining so we'll keep an eye on that. it's something that a lot of economists are looking at and those eager to see the economy reopen, they look at that, too. steve moore among them. former trump economic advisor, best selling author, wall street journal writer, and more. steve, just on the human being aspect of it all, i'm wondering, too, whether these type of surprises, experts do predict a spike in cases and that's unavoidable when the people return. did you know or do you know from your contacts at the white house what would prompt an effort to slow this down? what are things that the white house or the task force would look at to slow this process down? >> well, look, neil, obviously the trend has been fairly positive in terms of reducing the number of deaths and we're seeing in the data that about two-thirds of the deaths now are

in in unursing homes. and the strategy that keeps them safe and nursing homes free of the virus is the most important strategy for reducing the deaths. but i've got to tell you, right now the real emphasis is, number one, saving lives, obviously, but number two, there is real concern about the obvious damage we're doing to the economy. everybody saw what happened yesterday with those just dreadful unemployment numbers with 30 million, but i don't know if you saw, also, it kind of got overshadowed, but the latest gdp estimate is down 30%, 30%. i mean, we cannot continue on that path or we won't have a society. so, the president obviously has to calibrate the economic misery and devastation versus obviously, keeping people safe. what we're seeing now, obviously, too, neil is that these red states, the southern states, the mountain states,

many midwestern states are opening up, but new york and new jersey and california and illinois are not. and by the way, those-- there is no increase in the death rates in these states that are opening up, like georgia and florida and texas and tennessee. neil: right. so let me ask you about that. i think kevin hassett, your economic advisor friend back at the white house now. >> yeah. neil: i think he placed the gdp for the quarter we're in declining as much as 40%. there's no way of knowing, but you're right, it's going to be bad. the president said it's going to be bad and you said it's going to be bad. the market is moving in that people factored that in hoping for better days ahead. do you think the number 14.7%, better than 20 million americans losing their jobs. the jobless claims now well over 33 million, i think, that that is the worst of it, that the trend now as states reopen and

you mentioned states like new york, new jersey, that are going to open up later, but that activity is going to improve these numbers. what we're looking at, that that might have been the worst of it. what do you think? >> i sure hope and pray it is. and i think it is. look, one trend that is not being measured by these numbers is actually some americans are actually starting to go back to work now and businesses are starting to open up. i know where i live, in northern virginia, every day i'm seeing more people going out, more people going out into the parks, more people driving around, more people going into stores. and that brings back commerce and obviously, commerce brings back jobs. so, yes, neil. i do think we're probably pretty close to the bottom of this. i do think the summer months are going to be awful. we could see that unemployment rate go up to 20% or maybe higher. but there is a light at the end of this tunnel and that's why i think you're exactly right. we had the worst--

i mean, almost a conundrum that the very day you saw the worst employment news maybe in the history of this country, the stock market went up because it's looking ahead, it is seeing light at the end of the tunnel. by late summer we could start to see a nice recovery that moves into the fall if, there's a big "if" here, if we continue on this trend of opening up. if for some terrible reason we saw an up-tick in the number of deaths and we had to pull back again, that would be the worst both from a health perspective and from the perspective of getting americans back on the job and getting paychecks again. neil: all right. we'll watch it very, very closely. steve moore, crackerjack writer, a conservative thinker, whether you agree or disagree. and the senior care ceo, jeff, your emphasis is on protecting

residents and elderly so vulnerable to all of this. you hear about the cases that remain stubbornly high for this population. how do you see it right now in the weeks and months ahead? >> well, you know, neil, this is something familiar to us, we've been in business for over 25 years and we provide services so they can stay independent, safe and secure in the comfort of their own homes. many of our clients are in their 80's, some have chronic conditions and dementia and alzheimer's. the pro precautions we've taken for 25 years, the vulnerable population, in their own homes where they're safe and secure. neil: it seems like common practice now, but you were ahead ahead of the curve on the virtual visits.

a lot of people caught on to this. that started with you. how is that going now? do you feel when we're over the worst of this, that that's kind of the wave of the future? >> well, i don't think there's going to be any replacement for in-home human touch we provide, but there's an opportunity to mary the human touch with high-tech. it's a combination of high-tech and high touch. we can enhance the services that we provide, so we've seen an increase with our network on that adoption and rolling those technologies out. neil: do you think that when, you know, obviously there are senior centers, whether you're helping them out in such places or their own homes, that distancing measures, that preventive measures are probably the rule of thumb for a long, long time. do you think the population is ready for that? >> you know, before covid there

was another pandemic that was happening violently destroying the most vulnerable of our citizens and that was social isolation and loneliness among seniors, having absolutely devastating effects on someone's emotional health for sure, but also on their physical health. the equivalent of smoking 10 cigarettes a day. and so that is something that we've identified for years as something that we need to address and so that's why a couple of years ago, we created a program, a movement, really, called ready to care and this is a way for everyone in your communi community-- we need to celebrate the great heroic accomplishments of the health care professionals in recent days, but you don't have to be a doctor or a nurse to have a big impact in your community. you can take little acts of care and really have a big impact. i guarantee you, neil, every one of your viewers has someone in their neighborhood, in their

apartment building, a elderly person who is socially isolated and you can do your smart part for act of care. neil: you're right. open our hearts. jeff, thank you, very, very much. fox continues.

>> videos this morning from the beach and boardwalk at ocean city, maryland on a very chilly mother's day weekend. the beach and boardwalk are back open as several states across the country begin to restart their economies. welcome to america's news headquarter from washington, i'm leland vittert. gillian, you need a tee shirt, a sweatshirt and a jacket. gillian: i'd take it, i'd be the first one out there, beautiful. leland: nice. gillian: it's great