thank you. that does it for us on this monday morning. >> ed: all right. >> sandra: absolutely. all right, ed. great to be with you this morning. thanks for joining us, everybody. see you tomorrow us. "outnumbered" right now >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. president trump stepping up his criticism of former president obama, tying him to the growing controversy over the fbi's handling of the michael flynn investigation. this, after the doj dropped the case against the former national security advisor. the president tweeted this: "the biggest political crime in american history by far!" he also tweeted, "obamagate." all of this after flynn's attorney yesterday said officials worked to hide their investigation and entrapped michael flynn, mentioning a january 27th meeting which included former president obama and former intel officials james clapper and john brennan. watch.

>> so, the whole thing was orchestrated and set up within the fbi. clapper, brendan, in the oval office meeting with president obama. >> so, you think this goes all the way up to the top to president obama? >> absolutely. >> harris: also, the former president, in a friday phone call with former members of his administration, obtained by yahoo news, is heard going after the doj's decision to drop its case against flynn. listen. >> that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried. the basic -- not just institutional norms, but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis.

kennedy, a host of "kennedy" on fox business. emily compagno, attorney and fox news contributor. in the center box today, charlie hurt, opinion editor for "the washington times" and fox news contributor. we say he's "outnumbered," and he's also out with us on a monday. we are glad to see you. charlie, i will start with you, just on this whole back and forth in this political fight. do you think most americans are tuned into this, and what are they watching for? >> charlie: well, whether or not they are tuned into this with everything else going on, it's kind of hard to say. but i do think, as the political theater heats up, they will become more tuned into this. it is vitally important. what we have going on here. we don't know for certain how high up the directives went inside the obama administration, to spy on the political opponents in the middle of an election. this obsession that president obama had with mike flynn, both before

president trump won the election and then after he won the election, and general flynn was coming into the administration, is very, very curious and it raises serious questions. president trump is right, this is a major political scandal. the idea that you would have a sitting presidential administration going after political opponents during an election is something that, while it -- maybe it doesn't get as much attention now during everything that's going on right now. it should, and it should be the kind of thing that we talk a lot about leading up to the next presidential election. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: what's scary here is you have this unholy alliance of james clapper, james comey, and john brennan. you go to the director of the cia, the dni, and the director of the fbi, all together, treating the national security

apparatus on an american citizen. the fact that -- you know, you talk about the wearing away of institutional norms, the institutional norms that we have created with the surveillance apparatus in this country should be so incredibly troubling. if you are a republican, you're going to believe president trump. if you're a democrat, you're going to believe president obama. but we have to be concerned with is the actual truth somewhere in the middle, and that is, again, the unholy power the federal government has. so much of it still secret. >> harris: it's interesting, i've been reading this morning, emily, that the u.s. district judge, emmet sullivan, actually can oversee all this and decide one way or the other. he can't force anybody to open a case or prosecute flynn, but he can talk about whether or not the case needs to stay open. that sort of thing. it's not widely anticipated that sullivan will do anything other than follow course with what the

doj has decided on this. what is your take on what we may see ahead? >> emily: that's exactly right, harris. usually this is kind of a ministerial action. he's essentially checking the box. i think the reason there's been a bit of conversation about it is his comments in the proceedings be seen thus far. he had harsh words for general flynn. he even mentioned the word "treason." i think there's a little bit of anticipated hesitance about it, that this won't be a slam-dunk. that being said, i would be absolutely shocked if he didn't. if i can take a quick moment to respond to president obama's comments, i think what concerns me most is that he says the basic understanding of the rule of law, that includes notions of mercy and due process and justice. actual justice. it includes restoring liberty to an individual once an unjust prosecution has been identified. interestingly, his words, the application of them actually goes to what this case

uncovered, which is that it identified due process and procedural protections being thrown out the window. so, that's what should disturb americans. now that this person is going free, but that the evidence uncovered and obliterated due process and lead to an unjust prosecution. that's when the rule of law is at risk, when that's not uncovered, not identified, and those corrective measures aren't taken. >> harris: you know, melissa, i want to go back to the politics of this for just a moment. when you see the president of the united states tweeting "obama-gate," and he see the level to which the rhetoric around this has risen, it's interesting. because now obama becomes the focus, not joe biden, the presidential candidate. >> melissa: yes, and i think he becomes the focus for good reason. "the wall street journal" pointed out this morning that president obama is in fact a lawyer. so he knew better on a couple very important points. i mean, one is the brady rule.

the idea that you have to turn over, as part of the prosecution, exculpatory evidence. and they did not turn over the fact that fbi agents were there at the time interviewing mr. flynn, who believed that he was telling the truth and he was not lying. that's one. the other legal matter is they never told flynn that there was no evidentiary basis for his interview. that they had already concluded, that he had not colluded or done anything wrong, in terms of the meeting were of conversation with kislyak. so "the wall street journal" -- i'm not a lawyer, not sure if i got those words in the right order, but they make a very good point that there were two very big legal standards thrown aside, and the president being a lawyer should know better. i think the best remedy is something that judge nap said in the last hour. this idea that general flynn could sue for violation of his civil liberties. >> harris: . >> harris: interesting. >> melissa: and he could sue

for $6 million, whatever the cost was. two americans, if he won that suit, it takes them out of the political realm and you have something to .2 to say, "a court of law decided he was wrong and was owed money by the government. for what they did to him." that might set the whole thing right in the mind of americans, like you said. it for his political. "the doj, they work for president trump," whatever it is. i think this would take it in a new direction. >> harris: we do have a lawyer here. so, emily, i want to lean in a little bit on the word "entrapment." taking into account all that melissa just said. you take it out of the politics, and you think, "well, that can happen to anybody in america." and that becomes a big issue for both sides of the political aisle. you do not want a powerful agency like the fbi engaged in any sort of untoward behavior. legally, specifically entrapment. anything having to do with telling the truth and finding

the facts. >> emily: exactly pair that was the sort of point i made probably not as well. the fact that it's what should disturb americans. the notion that, as the motion stated specifically, the interview of flynn and the conclusions drawn were unjustified by and untethered to the larger investigation, but his demons were immaterial and then it turns out i actually that item. the predicate of the entire origination is thrown out the window. it doesn't make sense. to melissa's point about his remedy, absolutely. in fact, that's quite common. there are settlements all over the country all the time by local jurisdictions. more frequently, of unjust prosecutions. that's what i would see here. i liked your point that it would remove it from the political realm. because the larger issue that i see here is that it's being so politicized, that people are equating this with a party application and people putting their flags in the sand, when i see it as a massive overreach and obliteration of due process. but the silver lining is that it

was identified. the silver lining is that corrupt tumor was identified, and again, the corrective measures taken. absolutely, general flynn has a remedy available to him. spew in real quickly, charlie, because we've got to scoot to break. i just want to get her thoughts on what kind of like this has. it's still may, we are still pretty far out from the election. when he started to look at some of the things people are dealing with, as you alluded to, this might be on the horizon. but we may not be there yet, as a focus. what does this add to, they were watching and you say, "yes, there's something that's going to pop off at the end of summer, and this is maybe on the list?" >> charlie: i think that's correct. knowing president trump as we do, he is likely to not drop this anytime soon. he is very effective at making sure that people not forget the things that he wants people not to forget. certainly, from a political standpoint, i think this is a very smart thing for him to harp on. of course, it is -- people say,

"my goodness, if this could happen to a three star general in this country, who couldn't it happen to?" and that's an important point. it's also important to remember that it's a larger thing going on here. it's not just happening to a three-star general. this was an effort to thwart an entire election. this was an effort to destroy donald trump. not necessarily the three-star general that was working for him. this was an effort to try to undo an election that so many people in washington were appalled and aghast had happened. so, that is, to me, the reason it's so alarming. one other point i think is important to make, probably the strongest argument you hear from people, general flynn pleaded guilty. well, he did plead guilty. not to perjury, as president obama claimed. he did plead guilty to lying to fbi agents. fbi agents who did not believe he lied, by the way.

but the reason he did is because we now note the department of justice was threatening to go after his son. after destroying general flynn and leaving him without any money, they were threatening to go after his son, he would have been willing to plead guilty to anything. i think that's an important point to remember in all of th this. >> harris: all right. we'll move to this. the looming standoff over the next round of stimulus, as the house returns to washington, d.c., this week. why republicans say the price tag could be too high, and why the trump administration is warning of permanent damage now to our economy. >> these are very, very large numbers. these are not large numbers because of the economy not doing well. these are large numbers because we've shut down the economy. ♪ it's a new day for veterans all across america. mortgage rates have now fallen to all time lows. that's good news for veterans with va loans. that's me.

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♪ >> we are going to be open in a very thoughtful way that gets people back to work safely, that has them social distance. there is a considerable risk of not reopening. you're talking about what would be permanent economic damage to the american public. >> melissa: a stark warning from's treasury secretary steve mnuchin as white house economic advisor kevin hasson says americans unemployment rate already over 14%, the worst since the great depression, could go even higher this month. >> looking at the flow of initial claims, it looks like we'll probably get close to 20% in the next report, depending on whether the virus is really abated by that point. the economy really getting going again. it could start to head down from

there. >> melissa: those comments, as some lawmakers from both chambers are set to return to d.c. this week, likely kicking off a new battle over the life covid-19 seamless package. nancy pelosi and house democrats could lay out their plans as early as today, in a new bill that could cost an estimated $2 trillion. senate republicans taking a wait-and-see approach on any more deficit spending, and saying any new funding must include viability protections for employers. kennedy, i want to start with you. "the wall street journal" today highlighting something that we've heard for the past week or so, in economic circles. this idea of recovery that looks more like a nike solution. where you have this round bottom and this slope of the return. isn't that straight up as much as he would want to? it's a slow recovery. one of the reasons they cite is because the real banks are just not happening. as quickly as we anticipated. maybe that's what congress

should be focused on. how do you help america safely reopen, rather than pouring more tax money on it? isn't that how we battle the economics here? >> kennedy: yes, there's absolutely no way of using tax money to fix what's happening, especially with small businesses. they are hemorrhaging. the federal government can only really offer a band-aid at this point. yes, it would be wonderful, and the best-case scenario if it were a sharp v recovery. like a capital v. unfortunately that's not going to happen, because if you have businesses that are sort of on the brink of shuttering during a good economy, there is no way they can survive this protracted, and forced shut do down. "and up limit is 20%," and they are almost shocked by that. yes, that's what you hav happens when you force every business to close. but they need on this committee, the task force, is people who are in danger of losing their

homes, they have to have a say, as well. we have career bureaucrats with an economic safety net who have nothing to worry about, they don't have the right kind of perspective in order to make these critical decisions. >> melissa: charlie, what about that? i mean, they don't have anyone waiting in who is in the same situation as so many different americans. that is such an interesting point. what is your take? >> charlie: it's truly incredible. of course, laid beneath all of this is the problem, a big reason why the federal government will never spend its way live out of this problem. because of the massive amounts of debt, that these very same people have piled on american taxpayers to begin with. talking about $20 trillion worth of debt. that makes all of this spending local a lot different. look, kennedy is exactly right. the federal government, the

federal bureaucrats, will never spend america out of this crisis. the only way to get out of this crisis is to let people go back to work and let people create things and build things and do what americans do best. obviously, there are substantial risks with that. there is a risk with everything in a free society. americans are generally going about life very comfortably. with those concerns. the other thing i think it's kind of interesting is the fact that you have people hesitant to sort of get back into doing a lot of this stuff, even as you see some of the restrictions lifted. it's just evidence that even without the lockdown measures people generally are very good about weighing the concerns for themselves. they make the decisions themselves about whether they want to go out. i think the more and more we allow people to get back to making those decisions for themselves, the quicker we will

get back to the business of rebuilding the economy. >> melissa: well, speaking of business, tesla is suing over an extended stay at home order which prohibits the electric car company from restarting production at a bay area plant. the company claims alameda county violated the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th amendment and is now seeking an injunction that would allow it to operate. all this, as tesla founder, elon musk, threatens to move the company's headquarters from palo alto in a series of tweets over the weekend. saying, "frankly, this is the final straw. tesla will now move its headquarters and future programs to texas and the vet immediately." emily, i will ask for your legal opinion on this. is this something that tesla can win? >> emily: yes, they can. i want to point out that i'm from there, and this is just

another decision in a long line of many that is not business friendly, and it's causing businesses they are to flee. this is the same county where the oakland raiders couldn't come to an agreement with local officials. this is the same county where the golden state warriors had to leave. we are seeing a pattern of nonbusiness friendly decisions, coupled with spiked taxes for the residents. that's where the losers are. it's the residence, the families who are losing their jobs, losing their sources of employment, and watching as their towns become wastelands. just like portland, where nearby hillsborough has nike because they have pro-business decisions, and portland is just becoming a wasteland. i have to point out, this ties in with a discussion about the economy. this is exactly when the power and decision-making and messaging of local and state officials becomes so critical. this is when these decisions can reflect with their focused on jobs that are preserved and sustained. how to make businesses thrive, not just reopen. california, where this is all

going down, has 58 counties, 14 of which have had zero covid death. and yet, the governor there is threatening the counties who have had zero deaths who have applied for exceptions to reopen with withholding their disaster funding. where is the equity in that? that is why it'll be a nike swoosh and not an uptick. that's also why federal officials should make decisions to extend that humor and measurement. for these guys. these states that are not opening up, they will have a tremendous ripple effect. >> melissa: harris, opponents to musk would point out that they're going the wrong direction on this disease. >> harris: i think emily points out a good set of facts, here. 58 counties, 14 of them, not with the problems of covid deaths and escalating cases. do you have the capability? since it basically almost is the

size of a nation. it's like a nation-state. i believe that's what the governor has called it. when you look at the size of california, do you not have the ability to do both? to take a look at local economies and aside, like this county, what is lost in the last 5-8 years with these large businesses? i was reading, melissa, tesla isn't just about the top of the toe, stop my foot. it's a to to the tune of 37,000 jobs. that affect local economies like it would a state, like a small country. these things have to be taken into account. threatening them, as emily is talking about, with legal action, because they don't comply like the counties nearby. i don't know even how nearby. emily, you would have to talk to this issue. if you don't have escalation, and a need to flatten the curve with covid-19, if your neighbor does, how close does that neighbor need to be to keep you down? those are the kinds of conversations i think, legally, that we have to start to have.

>> melissa: well, kennedy, it's an interesting point. of course, the governor of new york has made that argument from the beginning. if you don't treat all counties in the same, that people will go neighborhood-shop. if you say this counties in lockdown and the one next to her isn't because they don't have the same number of cases, will get in the car and drive to that other place and have dinner in that other place. that's why it doesn't work, to split up the state into different groups. what are your thoughts? >> kennedy: yes, bureaucratic bullhead thinking. it's a one-size-fits-all strategy, and you can just apply and project, and use that as this sort of blanket governance. all it does is smother of the life out of any economy. elon musk is really appealing to what should scare the life out of california politicians, particularly the governor, which is you have nevada and texas -- basically like a third base coach, waving california businesses to their home plate.

they have a much better tax environment. so they will take advantage of that bureaucracy. at some point a lot of these billionaires and big businesses are going to leave california. the trend is already there. but the pandemic is going to worsen that. >> melissa: yeah, we've certainly seen in new york. georgia's attorney general is calling on federal authorities to get involved in the shooting death of ahmaud arbery, as we learn more about the suspect and what happened in the last moments before the killing of this unarmed jogger. a live report with details, next. ♪ it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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>> hi, harris. georgia attorney general chris carr watch of the doj to get involved to look at how local prosecutors handled the shooting of arbery. one of the alleged shooters, 64-year-old gregory mcmichael, is a former investigator with the brunswick d.a. office. brunswick d.a. jackie johnson recused herself from the case, and the case was reassigned to george barnhill, the d.a d.a. in nearby waycross georgia. neither revealed that the waycross district attorney had already taken a role in the case and reviewing evidence, advising the glenn county police department regarding whether to make arrests in the case. mcmichael and his 34-year-old son, travis, were not arrested until the georgia bureau of investigation got involved after cell phone video apparently capturing arbery's death went viral on the internet last week. the video has prompted protests, calling for swift prosecution of arbery's killers and any local authorities who may have tried to protect them. the gbi has arrested a man for making terroristic threats

against future protests. the agency says 20-year-old rochon smith created a facebook user i.d. of an unwitting individual to post a hoax threat. meanwhile, lawyers for arbery's family are praising georgia's attorney general for calling for this doj investigation. harris? >> harris: jonathan, thank you very much. emily, i'm in a come to you right away on this. this new information on this video of arbery walking around a construction site, that he wasn't doing anything wrong, and then you've got the 911 tape. you're starting to see components of technology come together here. what is important, what is significant in this case to you? >> emily: what is significant in this case to me, for viewers, is, first, this information that the doj is looking into hate charges, that's important. georgia is one of only four states in our country that does not have a hate crime on the books. it's been over 15 years since they had one, and that was ruled

unconstitutionally vague. there are calls that were not safe to put one on the books when the legislation resumes in june. that might be a small silver lining to come out of this, to create a correlation. that's what we saw in the dillon roof case. that the feds charged a hate crime. secondly, i think what strikes me about this case, when jonathan was just mentioning the sort of basis of the overview and the investigation into the prosecutorial handling of it, in the letter recusing herself, that original d.a. came to conclusions based on that one video. not the construction video, based on the jogging video, that included invocation of the self-defense and the citizen's arrest statute. that is what is so problematic, that she was passing along, to me at least, passing along conclusions drawn from that one video while recusing herself at the same time. so there's a lot that we will see to remain uncovered moving forward in that investigation, and that's where you should be

looking. >> harris: you're talking about my home state of georgia, so i am familiar with some of the things on and off the books. at a bigger even federal level, though, charlie, the notion of antilynching legislation came into notion as members of the black community are likening this to a lynching. senator tim scott, from south carolina, for example, said it's time to put forth that antilynching legislation, which did not pass the senate in february. where is this going politically? >> charlie: well, to be sure, i am a big proponent of standard ground laws and self-defense laws protecting people, for protecting themselves. that's clearly not the case here. that is not what happened here. even if mr. arbery had been trespassing on a construction site moments before, that is totally irrelevant to the fact that he should not have been gunned down under any

circumstances. he should not have been confronted by armed citizens under any circumstances. no one was in danger, there was no threat to anybody's life. any way you look at this, i think it's clearly an incredible tragedy. certainly, it's moving in the right direction, if local authorities are finally pursuing this as, clearly, the wrongful death that it appears that it was. >> harris: kennedy, your topline thoughts on this case? >> kennedy: well, there was a cell phone video footage that was released, and that is what has created this outrage. what is so tragic, the people who have been targeted and killed in the same manner where there is no cell phone footage. you have prosecutors who are essentially working in concert

with a former cop. those are the tragedies that we don't hear about. they don't get national attention. i also thought about ahmaud arbery's mom yesterday on mother's day, and what a tough day that must have been for her. not only losing her son so recently, but also the national attention. i hope something positive comes out of this. i hope there are a former police officers who realize that it is not your obligation to be a vigilante. if they thought this person was committing a crime, they should have called the police. as a former law-enforcement officer, he should have known that. he didn't. that only compounds the fact that everyone should be outraged by the fact that are emerging here. >> harris: yeah. arbery would have been 26 on friday, and then he put that together as you so eloquently said it, kennedy, with mother's day yesterday and pure hell for this young man's family right now. okay, a new report that says china pressured the world health

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to hold back information about a human to human transmission and to delay a pandemic warning." republican senator tom cotton, one of the earliest critics of beijing's handling of the pandemic, weighed in on fox news yesterday. >> there is no question that xi jinping and senior officials in the chinese communist party were freshenin pressuring the w. the w.h.o. has some real answers to provide the world about why they bowed to chinese pressure throughout december and january and turned what could have been a local health emergency in wuhan into a global pandemic. >> melissa: meanwhile, "the new york times" reports the fbi and the dhs are preparing a warning that china's most skilled hackers and spies are working to steal u.s. research on coronavirus vaccine and treatments. charlie, i will start with you. it is in this report in the german newspaper intelligence that this phone call happened on

january 21st. if you look back to that day, the morning's headlines were, "cdc details first u.s. case of novel virus spreading in china." this is the first time they were detailing these cases, and that's when xi jinping picks up the phone and says, "do not share this information with the rest of the world." what do you think about that? >> charlie: it's kind of like what president trump often says. he doesn't blame china for being china and behaving the way china always behaves. the communist party of china always behaves. the problem is, quite obviously, the w.h.o. took the call and heated the direction of xi jinping. they did delay the warning about the virus. they did underplay the human to human transition, and now they are part of this cover-up,

trying to cover up the misdeeds of the communist party of china. the w.h.o. is an operation that we american taxpayers give millions and millions of dollars to every year in order to keep the whole world safe. at the very least, to help keep america safe. they are clearly not doing that. they are in bed with the chinese. what is the response in this country when all of this happens? you have half of the political -- one wing of politics in this country, and an alarming number of people in the media, freak out over the fact that people call it a chinese virus or mention the fact that the virus came from china. they are worried about offending china, when china is clearly -- they have blood on their hands for what they have done to spark

this pandemic in the first place, and then make it worse and cover up their misdeeds. >> melissa: kennedy, as is often the case, the president does something and people are shocked, it feels like it came out of left field. that he didn't want to send any more money to the world health organization. down the road, you find out you are looking at a piece of intelligence that told him something nefarious or upsetting was going on. you look back at german intelligence, they know about this call and talk it. you have to think u.s. intelligence certainly knew about this, and it's one of the things that got the president to want to not fund the world health organization. >> kennedy: it shouldn't be surprising that an authoritarian communist regime is working in contenconcert with what appearse a competent bureaucracy, and i you have millions of lives at risk and thousands of deaths.

all you have to do is look at the timeline to see that china has not been an honest actor here. this goes back to october, potentially. that the lab in wuhan, where you have no cell phone exchanges, you have roads shut down, they knew back in october that something was amiss. if china was so worried they could've open the doors of their country if they operated in real transparency and allowed a team of w.h.o. doctors and international scientists and researchers to come in, figure out what happened, and put a cap on everything, so it can spread across the globe. >> melissa: i'm so glad you brought that up. maria bartiromo and senator cotton really laid bare a lot of that information yesterday, the cell phone tower activity, looking like roads were blocked way back in october around that lab. what did that have to do with this? we need to get to the bottom of it, definitely. harris will have more on this

coming up on "outnumbered overtime," when she speaks with former u.s. ambassador to china, jon huntsman. that's "overtime" at the top of the hour. i will be tuned in. i can't wait. we'll be right back. ♪

>> why now? i'm not saying why not 27 years ago. i understand, it can take victims years to come forward. i'm saying, why not before super tuesday? why not last fall, when we still had a dozen other candidates to choose from? why wait until biden is our only hope against trump, and then take him down? >> harris: h provost bill maher questioning the timing of tara reade's sexual assault allegation against joe biden. he said democrats should focus on defeating trump. bill's bill maher also said democrats back the muscles into a corner with they are "believe all women" stance amid the #we too movement. emily, i will come to you first in her thoughts. >> emily: i think he's right that this is a larger problem the democratic party has to reconcile. it's not just a problem for biden. i think it's not true that biden is their only hope. things can always change last minute. i also take issue, i think it's a little bit rich to question

when a victim comes forward. it bears worth noting, that she has tried or alleges to have tried for a long time and didn't quite have the sounding board she has now. >> harris: you want to point out maybe she's not watching closely. why say that? >> melissa: he asks a very valid question. i know because megyn kelly asked that very question in the interview she did with tara reade. obviously bill maher didn't watch it. if you go to her youtube channel, the interview is over an hour, and tara reade says she's been trying to get her story out there. she documents going to the times up lawyers, the different networks he approached with the story blew her off. megyn kelly goes into it in depth. she answers all of the questions that people have out there. you can decide for yourself whether or not she is speaking the truth or whether or not you care, if you still want to vote for him. but i would blame the networks that didn't air her information and didn't give her a platform anywhere to talk about this.

she says she tried to, megyn kelly saw the evidence. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: s, it would have been nice if we had heard about. the vice president could have been thoroughly questioned about it by a number of outlets. that hasn't happened. why didn't bill maher raise the same issue with brett kavanaugh? why wasn't this raised when he was unanimously confirmed for the federal bench? >> harris: charlie, ten seconds. >> charlie: well, it's just an example of where democrats set their own standards and they're coming back to haunt them. they have no one to blame but themselves. >> harris: yeah. "believe all women." either you do or you don't, there is no gray area they are. we are coming back. more ""outnumbered"."rs and whi'g to keep us safe, prudential is proud to provide over one million health care workers with benefits that help bring peace of mind

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>> melissa: thank you to charlie hurt and the rest of the virtual couch on this fine monday. we are back here tomorrow.

now, here's harris. ♪ >> harris: us from fighting words today from president trump and former president obama over the russia investigation. you're watching "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. president trump has escalated his attacks on his predecessor, taking to twitter, adopting the term "obamagate." hashtaging it. theories that the obama administration work to sabotage incoming tribal officials, including michael flynn. this, sparked by leaked audio of the former president obama going after the doj's decision to dismiss charges against michael flynn. listen to this. >> that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that the basic -- not just institutional norms, but our basic understanding