this and move on to bigger and better things. >> martha: i know you have a lot of spirit and you are sending it to out all over the place in texas. thank you so much, sir, good to see you. that is the story of monday may 11, 2020 and the story goes on. we will see you back tomorrow. have a good evening. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." on inauguration day 2017, it is like one in 100,000 americans thinking about russia. the last thing most people were thinking about. the cold war ended peacefully more than 25 years before. moscow was no longer america's main strategic rival and had been for 50 years. russia had been downgraded instead to the status of regional power, consumer disputes with places like ukraine. in the america media there were more stories about alcoholism than there were about russia. but in the white house in

washington that morning, russia was very much the main topic. it was january 20, the less the of the obama administration of going security susan rice it down to write her final memo. she described the transition which had been underway for months. she wrote this "during a meeting two weeks before, president obama said he wants to be sure that as we engage with the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason we cannot share information fully as it relates to russia." and rice unexplained why obama staff felt it might not be possible with intelligence to the trump staffer for that matter why the obama people thought they had the right to withhold national security information from an incoming american president had just won a national election. than right to elaborate there was only one possible explanation to this, donald trump could very well be a russian agent. barack obama himself said he believed that was possible.

and in rice's words, "the president asked jim comey to inform him if anything changes the next few weeks that should affect how we share of classified information with incoming team." comey said he would. what exactly does that mean? here is what it means. the president of the united states turned to the head of the fbi the most powerful law enforcement in america and said, continue to secretly investigate my chief political rival so i can them. call me's response, yes, sir. that is what obama was saying openly. in any normal period in american history, this exchange would deprive barack obama forever. a disgraced president who used federal law enforcement to hurt his political enemies. that is what he did. unfortunately, this is not a normal period. already today obama's ordered james comey to investigate donald trump relative to a little footnote and joe biden

happen to be sitting in the room with this happened. has biden ever been asked about that? it is possible he never has been. most media outlets ignore the origins of conspiracy notes completely. as a result of that, barack obama's plan to derail his successor unfolded with very little opposition along the way including from republicans. the entire country therefore spent the first three years of the trump administration hyperventilating about russian collusion that did not exist. susan rice did her part to help it along. here is rice in july 2017, year and half later, suggesting a network television the president of the united states was indeed working for vladimir putin. >> he has taken a series of steps that had vladimir putin dictate that he could not have made more effectively. what his motivations are i think is a legitimate question, one that i trust the special counsel is investigating, but the policies of this president has

pursued globally have served vladimir putin's interest in dividing the west, undermining democracy. >> do you think that is an open question whether or not he compromised russia? >> george from i don't know what his motivations are. i think that is a legitimate question. >> tucker: in fact it was never a legitimate question. it was a reckless clerk, the most reckless possible slur, the kind that damages a whole country with a politician it is aimed at. rice knew perfectly well there was no evidence at all that donald trump worked for russia. we know she believed that because she admitted as much in an oath in a closed-door hearing in congress. the white house committee, the reason she was accusing trump officials of treason against their own country was that some of them seem to unduly worried about the rise of china. here is what susan rice for example said about general michael flynn, "general flynn's focus was on china is the principle of overarching adversary. he had many questions and concerns about china.

when i sought to elicit his perspective on russia, he downplayed his assessment of russia as a threat to the united states. he called it overblown. he said there were declining power and demographically challenged. they are not much of a threat. and then re-emphasize the importance of china. i had seen enough at that point and heard enough to be a little bit sensitive to the question of the nature of general flynn's engagement with the russians." did you follow that? because michael flynn correctly described russia as a declining power and then went on to criticize susan rice's close friend in the chinese government, susan rice concluded that general flynn must be a vladimir putin spy. this is idiotic and crazy. hard to believe that susan rice was once national security advisor of the united states, but she was. of one's purpose was barack obama secretary of defense. she repeatedly went on television to say ample evidence the trump administration is colluding with russia and yet

like susan rice, she said something completely different under oath before congress "i didn't know anything, she admitted. now we quoted evelyn farkas saying that on this show on friday. she responded to us and saying we were missing some key facts. now originally she agreed to come on tonight and explain what those key facts might be. she is running for congress now in new york. unfortunately then, evelyn farkas backed out but we hope she fervently comes back to tell us what those might be. we would like to speak to barack obama else also. that is unlikely so we will have to settle for what he told his friends. on friday obama had a private cloak with supporters that was immediately leaked to the media. in it the man who sick to law enforcement on political rivals accused current administration of undermining the rule of law. >> that is the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried

that basic not just institutional norms, but basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. >> tucker: institutional norms. these people are nothing if not predictable. what you just heard as always was textbook projection. you see it again and again and again. what they accuse you of doing, they are eagerly doing themselves. the rule of law, yelps obama! it is almost amusing. the press didn't find it funny in the slightest. they saw a note no irony at all. they repeated it verbatim with solemn faces. check -- the accused of bill barr of coming the rule ofw of ignoring it completely and to prove that, chuck todd used what seem to be quite a quote, watch this. >> i want you to listen to this

bill barr answer to a question about what will history say about this. wait until you hear this answer. take a listen. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, this tree is written by the winter so it depends on who is writing the history. >> tucker: i was struck by the cynicism of the answer. it is a correct answer but he is the attorney general. he didn't make the case he was upholding the rule of law. >> tucker: struck by the cynicism. chuck todd who is married to a political consultant was just struck by the cynicism. he could barely believe it. he was stunned! bill barr didn't even mention upholding the rule of a kind of a major omission for an attorney general. but wait, it turns out that bill barr did mention the rule of law. it was at the center of his answer. that was his tv tape and nbc got

a hold of it and edit out the words to distort bill barr's meaning. we have the real tape. here it is. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, history is written by the winter so it it largely depends on who is writing the history, but i think a fair history would say, it was a good decision because it upheld the rules of law. >> tucker: yeah, to be clear, catherine herridge did not edit that tape but did a straightforward tape. nbc news edited the tape. if you think they can be aggressively dishonest, the foolishly dishonest, then you have not been paying close attention the past four years. they have been doing it since day one with the russian hoax and they don't plan to stop now. aaron mate as a writer and producer of "the gray zone" and he joins us tonight. it should be clear to the audience you are a man on the

west that you are a very few since day one not a trump supporter. but you said day one, there is no evidence of that. you took a huge amount of for saying that but how do you assess the whole story now thate evidence than we did? >> on the questions of my own views, you approach it as a journalist and we follow the facts. look, as a partisan, i always thought and who wants trump to lose in november, i always thought there could not be a bigger gift of donald trump and the republicans in channeling so-called reason -- resilience into a conspiracy theory. and it provided trump a gift of actual policies and people instead counting on robert mueller to bring him down in hopes that the tape israel. all of that was a farce as the evidence keep showing us. and now the more we learn about what is coming out from the origins of the russian investigation, the more we are learning just bought a scam it

was. we even had and you talked about this on your show come even shawn henry the president of the crowd strike and dnc contractor at the heart of the email hacking allegations against russia, henry admitted under oath to congress which we are only finding out now because adam schiff relief the transcript. henry admitted on the core allegation of whether or not he stole the emails that they have no direct evidence that the alleged russian hackers took anything off of the dnc. someone every single issue, you have a partisan role, to generate the russian hacking allegation. they hired fusion gps who generated the collusion allegation. it is no surprise that all of these planks, the story that dominated politics for years collapsing. >> tucker: on the question of whether the russian government, because that was the claim the russian government not just

russian but hacked the email account and service of the national committee, you were one of the first people to say there is no evidence of that. they got hysterical when you said that. why do you think the reaction was so over-the-top when you question that? >> because the people who lost the 2016 election and came up with the excuse with self reflection meant becoming antiestablishment party because donald trump ran by itself is an antiestablishment. but the democrats with that direction. they couldn't do it because doing so would threaten their own privilege entities within the political system. so they had to find a bogeyman and that was russia. that meant anybody who questioned their narrative was thrown into the margin and team to be a trump apologist or a russian and all of this stuff. but the problem is, we have facts. the facts are coming out that showed every single level that

this was a scam. we've been word -- learned from the world with report the collusion investigation and where would said the fbi launch the initial trump probe based on a tip that george papadopoulos volunteered and suggested some kind of suggestion, it is the most vague tip but the basis for a nonstop collusion frenzy for over three years. screw and that is exactly right. and damage on so many levels. aaron met -- aaron mate, thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: this disaster and it was a disaster not just politically but internationally changed our russian policy as a result of this hoax. went on as long as it did because pretty much no one in washington tried to put the brakes on. i don't want to point fingers are anything but for all of 2017

and 2018, republicans controlled both houses of congress. trey gowdy was there with the house committee. congressman, thank you so much for coming on tonight. i think that this was, and i just set it from the very beginning, driven by the obama administration. but it was allowed to metastasize because the republican-controlled congress did not stop it. why do you think that is? >> well, two things. let me just say, you reference susan rice. she needed to read the rest of that email but you can't because it hasn't been declassified. but if you want to fully understand what president obama knew and what role he played, you need to read and access the rest of susan rice's email and hopefully, it will be declassified one day and you can. for russia, i thought devin nunes did a phenomenal job. this is what he said. we will find out what russia did, with whom with anyone they did it and how to make sure they don't do it again in 2020 and then the issue of unmasking and

unleash. and so there were things he wanted us to look at. nobody gave a damn about three of them. all they cared about is with whom any one. 60, 70 witness interviews and that much or more and ten we bob mueller. look, in my defensive of devin nunes? i am because he had a difficult 2017. he wrapped up his investigation a lot quicker than popular with a lot less help from the witnesses. >> tucker: oak might think that is right. i think the scariest part of all of this is the behavior of the fbi the most powerful in the world. but it is sinister what they did to michael flynn. you were briefed by the fbi in 2018 and shortly after that briefing came on this channel to describe your reaction to it. here is what you said then. >> but as of now, i think chris ray and rosenstein are stunned

whenever people think trump are the target of the investigation. i will leave it up to them how to brief the president. >> that point of view that you are talking about right now, was that strength and going into this briefing last week? >> yes, i am more convinced the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and it has nothing to do with donald trump. >> tucker: i remember watching that and thinking, boy, i hope he is right. do you still feel that way? >> up gosh, no. i made a lot of mistakes in life. relying on briefings and not insisting on the documents. it took me about three weeks. i went to the department of justice. i sat there for four hours. that is when i saw peter strzok peter strzok actually initiated and approved crossfire hurricane. that is when i sold exculpatory information on george papadopoulos. that is when i saw for the very first time that it was the trump campaign mentioned in that predicate document. they had been telling us all along trump is not the targets. the campaign is not the target

so yes, my mistake was relying on the word of the fbi and the doj and not insisting on the documents. luckily it took me three weeks to correct that mistake. >> tucker: so that was in march, july which of course many months later, you said of the investigation it is not a witch hunt. you said pointblank, it is not a witch hunt. but if -- but of course it was a witch hunt by definition. when did that dawn on you? >> tucker if you think about the four points number one what did russia do? i am convinced that russia tried to interfere with the fundamentals of our democracy. point number one, what did russia do, number two with him if anyone? i was down there for almost every witness interview and i asked the question and the answer is no one with the trump campaign did anything with russia. then we got to the unmasking. so i don't think asking what did russia do to the country in 2016 or tried to do come i don't think that was a witch hunt. >> tucker: but we don't have evidence that they did attack

the dnc servers or john podesta's emails. so how exactly did russia skew the election or interfere any more than a dozen other countries tried to interfere every day? i'm totally confused. >> no, i think those are two separate inquiries. i don't think they impacted the results of the impact don't like the election at all. donald trump won fair and square. the senate wrote a report. i don't think, there is not much on the intelligence of did russia try to interfere. >> be when there is with me, there is with me. lots of countries interfere all the time. i want to know, is there any evidence that they hacked the dnc server. that is a central allegation and we are hearing, there is no evidence. and so i don't know what this is about. >> well, we couldn't answer that because remember the fbi did not gain access to that server. they didn't even try to gain

access to the server. but the dnc gave it to crowd strike and we will never know the answer to that question. i think whether or not to sow seeds of discord i think our report did a good job of outlining that yes, they did specific reference to the dnc. i asked that question. i don't know that anyone connected russia with the hacking of the dnc or if they did, i can't recall it. >> tucker: everyone did. many republicans did it turns out, they didn't know that. thank you for coming on tonight, good to see you. >> you too. >> tucker: vapes shops in many states are closed yet liquor stores remain open. two people say it's totally okay and three say it is illegal. on rules like this, lockdown rules based on actual science, or are they more just social control for people who derive a lot of pleasure from control? we have the details after the break. ♪ the biggest week in television is here.

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♪ >> tucker: most americans have approached the response to the coronavirus in good faith. they want to protect themselves and their neighbors and their families, and they trust our political leaders to make wise decisions based in science. and yet come a lot of the lockdown rules don't seem to be based in science. some to be made upon the spot with very little consistency and no explanation. she breaking news correspondent tracy gal dominic trace gallagher has a view. >> for the record we don't know the science and data behind closing the beaches and now reopening of peaches comes with

a list of rules and regulations and still no science. the ocean in new jersey, you can walk on the beach, run on the beach, to get across the water but you cannot sit on the beach, not on a chair, a towel, you have to keep moving and less you are fishing and then you can stand there. the same goes for los angeles county where the beaches open this week. you have to walk, run or the pathways built along the beach for walking and running are still shut down. remember in michigan when the governor gretchen whitmer band powerboats? j.b. pritzker is allowing powerboats with no more than two people regardless of both sides. so if you happen to have more than two people in your family, apparently somebody is not going boating, watch. >> it is restricted to two people per vote. it is not, you can't have five people or ten people in a vote. so if it is a family of four or five like wife and kids, they

have to pick two of them at a time? >> they will come a young. >> in california the parks are beginning to reopen and you are allowed to sit sunday as long as six pete dominick 6 feet apart but you are not allowed to stand 775 feet apart and play tennis. the new york prosecutors will not prosecuted people with social distancing violation which means das are joining police unions protesting what they call mayor bill de blasio punitive reproach t to a public health crisis, tucker. >> tucker: it is amazing trace gallagher thank you for that. so that is what some lockdowns look like around the country. sometimes the rules seem arbitrary and some seem corrupt but others seem designed to hurt people. they seemed cool. a lot of them don't in any way but even coherent lockdown policies, you have to ask the question, is it worth it? new coronavirus cases and deaths from coronavirus trending downward for more than a month.

the hospitals are not overwhelmed outside of new york, they never were. the places that have reopen and those that never shut down like sweden show no signs of collapse. what is our basis than for keeping children out of schools, parents out of work, and people who are at almost no risk at all terrified out of their minds and many are? we ask that question repeatedly on the show because it doesn't seem like the leaders are asking that question. they seem oblivious to the medical calamities, for example, these calamities are causing across the country. in ohio, drug overdose deaths this year are up 50% over a year ago. deaths. many other counties reporting similar trends. a report by iq of eia a health analytics company estimate 80,00 cancer diagnoses have been missed in this country thanks to delayed medical care, 80,000. what are the outcomes there?

the federal emotional support hotline have surged 1000%. and then come of course and this is secondary but there is the economic damage that will reverberate for decades. 30 million americans, more actually, have lost their job so far. maybe the federal government will print off money to hand it to them, but that is not a real solution. handouts cannot replace the purpose and the dignity that comes from having a job. by the way, who was going to pay for this? what will happen to the debt? who is going to bail us out? you know the answer, china. they will be the creditors because they are the only people who can afford it. lawmakers and credit bureaus are oblivious to this but she owns a hair salon in dallas, texas. she opened her salon so her employees could earn a living. that was in defiance of a shutdown order. she was arrested for that. she was given a stern lecture by a judge with secure six-figure income and then thrown behind bars. thankfully, she was soon released and we are happy to have her on.

shelley, thank you so much for joining us tonight. it is hard to believe. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: you don't look like a criminal. the only people in america who went to jail from all the or getting out but what did you learn from the experience? >> well i definitely learned whatever's going on in the court system is not fair. and we need to take a harder look in that for sure. >> tucker: yeah, i mean, you were lectured by a judge from harvard law school graduate that likes fine cigars who told you you needed to apologize to him personally. you need to grovel. kowtow before his bench or you would go to jail. you refused but why did you refuse? >> well he wanted me to apologize for being selfish. and i just told him, the government really didn't give me any choice. we are not getting the government funding we are promised ten weeks and weeks go by. they kind of forced my hand in going back to work. i was not going to apologize for

working to feed my kids and let my stylist feed their family as well. >> tucker: most people i think would have said to, you know, i don't want to apologize to this pompous but i don't want to go to jail. did it occur to you to give this one time and go to jail? >> it never did. i talked to my dad before the ruling and he was kind of trying to talk me out of it. and i said to come i just can't because so many people are relying on me right now. x war veterans, just thousands and thousands and thousands of people thanking me for standing up for what was right. and i felt like if i gave and everything i did so far would be over. >> tucker: so you are a female business owner who took a stand on conscious and an unpopular stand and was jailed for it. that is the profile of a hero in our culture. you are not being treated by a hero by the news media. why do you think that is? >> it is not all the news media,

but a lot of them think that the money was a scam. the gofundme account. look, he went into jail with $20,000 of legal funds that i didn't even know started for me. i was in jail two days and woke up and there was $500,000 in there. i have nothing to do with it. not that i'm not grateful and i want to do great things with that. i have my brand-new charitable organization coming up called "courage to stand" and we just put up the website. i'm so, so excited to share that money and share my voice for people who are too scared to stanstand up themselves. >> tucker: yeah my hope you send some to the challenger who will unseat that pompous on the court in texas. shelley, congratulations on getting out, thanks a lot for coming on tonight and sating what you believe. >> thank you so much, tucker. look, joe biden's presidential campaign humming along and

there's only one weakness really, joe biden. in his candidacy continues while the candidate himself hides invisible in his basement. respectfully, after the break. ♪

>> tucker: in some ways the coronavirus pandemic has been a good thing for the joe biden presidential effort instead of leaving his house and talking a lot off script.

biden can now stay in his basement and host virtual events. that sounds good for a guy who's not good at speaking off scripts, but actually, it hasn't worked out very well. here is last week. >> is it just me? thank you so much for tuning in. i wish we could have done this together and done it little more smoothly, but i'm grateful we are able to connect virtually. thank you, for the great work that you are doing to meet this moment. >> tucker: if you are working for joe biden right now in your client -- quiet moments, you may be asking yourself is this a lom gig? can we get this man to the white house without ever saying anything in public again? that is level. brian kilmeade is a frequent guest and we are proud of that.

he hosed every morning on fox & friends. sam houston the alamo avengers comes out in paperback tomorrow. be sure to check that out. brian, thanks a lot for coming out. so you have been watching this whole biden virtual campaign but how would you assess it? >> okay 25 fund-raisers and three press conferences and the one on thursday i will give it to a fox reporter to describe it. how can a national campaign allow this to happen? do they not have zoom? and i'm sure that they are rooting for him saying this was plagued by problems. it looked like it was run by a local seniors group that attempting zoom for the first time. this is unbelievable. i will add something to this, tucker. you have david axelrod who gave barack obama elected twice. a lot of people say they did a great drop of what they did and results reveal it. they know joe biden very well. they have known him for years and worked with him side-by-side for eight years. something is going on here

because rather than talk to him, they were at an editorial at "the new york times" telling him, you have to get out of the basement. you look like you are beaming in from the space shuttle. instead, he is doing a virtual rope line where he asked different people i'm a one voter a day how things are going. so david axelrod and david, it is like you watch in the morning listening to the radio show in the brain is bothering me. i will do an editorial in "the new york post" rather than texting me. it makes no sense. these are his supporters setting him on fire. what is crazy in the battleground states, he is actually reading or just behind donald trump. so he's got his hands full. this is going to be barack obama against donald trump. i would not be surprised if joe biden introduces barack obama and then sits. i am not kidding. from august until november. and basically obama said as much friday on that call that leads to yahoo. joe biden, this is bigger than my election, he said.

that is how important it is for joe biden to win for selection. listen, and to use more surrogates, wow! can you imagine being to canada, yeah, can you use other people? i've never seen anything more like it? >> tucker: he stuck in this one-man nursing home. i have got to ask you and i read your book. in it come i think this is relative to what we are in now. a lot of disunity and you don't see that much in common. but the future may be our biggest problem. in the book you describe how texas was convinced not to leave and become its own country. are there lessons for that for us? >> a couple of things. abraham lincoln reached out to sam and dominic sam houston governor of texas. we as a confederacy we will lose hundreds of thousands of men and we will actually lose the world. in the legislature said we outvote you sam. sam if you go into this world -- work, i will leave.

he found out about it and said sam come i will send you 50,000 troops, just keep texas out of this war. he was almost like nostradamus and he knew where the country was headed but instead he died in 1860 forcing the country torn apart and knowing -- i look at shelley luther, she is sitting there saying, i own a salon and i don't like and i did you tell me to go down economically in flames. i don't like you are making me lay off my workers. i don't like that i can't pay my rent. i'm standing up to do what is right. that is why people went to texas. they looked at america. and it was just too much of a who you know boys club. they went down wagging with a force and a shovel and said give me a chance at a new life. i would say to you, i know it is a reach but shelley luther is saying the same thing. let me live my life. that is the attitude of texas and most americans like you pointed out earlier in the show. don't tell me to code t to a vo. >> tucker: exactly. three men in a vote is okay in

our country. brian kilmeade, congratulations on the paper back. thank you for doing that, go get them. governor andrew cuomo of new york is reversing his policy on nursing homes. why? it was a disaster and thousands died as a result of this. one of the biggest scandal in this pandemic so far in the united states. we have more details for you tonight after the break. ♪ and our children. but now, they are more than that. they are forever our heroes, too. at prudential, we're fortunate to know and serve them. and we're grateful to the heroic men and women working on the front line to move our nation forward. to all the heroes, we thank you.

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♪ >> tucker: over the weekend the governor of new york andrew cuomo reversed himself and finally announced that nursing homes in the state will no longer be required to admit patience who are positive for the coronavirus. that announcement is desperately welcome, but it is far too late

for the 5,000 plus nursing home patience who died in new york. michael goodwin has been covering this debacle from the very first day and at times the only person covering it for "the new york post." we are happy to have him on set. thank you for coming on. so we know more. you have reported more since we last spoke. where are we in the scandal? >> well, as you said, the governor reversed the march 25th policy, which required nursing homes to take covid positive patience who were being discharged from hospitals. that order gave them no time to prepare and went into effect immediately and treated all nursing homes as though they were able to segregate patience and staff when many of them weren't. it didn't do any inspections to see if these were good nursing homes or bad nursing homes. the goal was simply to get these patience who were covid positive out of the hospital to free up the hospital beds.

now, this happened at a time, of course, when families were banned from visiting them in the nursing home lest they bring in the coronavirus. and so while the families are banned, the governor orders that hundreds, if not thousands of infected patients go into these nursing homes. and from that day, one owner said to me shortly thereafter, her residence began dropping like flies. this was like throwing a thousand matches into dried timber. it set every one of these nursing homes on fire in terms of the number of patients who died. i mean come i have never seen in all my years of covering politics in new york a consequential policy like this one. >> tucker: it is one of the saddest stories i have seen. and at fox plus two corelatives in new york nursing homes as a result. two questions, has a cool mo apologize for doing this and whe his approval rating is so high

nonetheless in new york. >> to the apology is quite the opposite, he said the apologies work but my answer is if it worked, he is simply incapable of admitting a mistake even one as horrific as this. that is part of the tragedy because he won't respond to the families that write to him who lost loved ones. i think he should leave with them. and whether this is going to be too little, too late, it certainly is for the many thousands who have already died. but i think it is finally a recognition that the policy was responsible for many of these deaths. so the governor won't call it a reversal, but it absolutely is. not only is he up for bidding the hospitals from sending covid positive patients to nursing homes, he is now for the very first time requiring nursing home staff to be tested twice a week. so why did he wait all of this time to do even that?

it was the most thoughtless, unconscionable policy i have ever seen in new york. >> tucker: it is the worst policy and that is saying a lot. i have seen since it began. thank you for recording on this alone. good to see you tonight. >> thank you. apparently 30 million jobs gone, 80,000 people dead aren't enough, and cnn, msnbc, this tragic pandemic is a chance to n america. why are they doing this? what is the gain? we will tell you after the break. ♪ itching for a treat.

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together we do more. ♪ >> tucker: this pandemic has, as of tonight, killed tens of thousands of americans and more. overall, the single greatest trauma to befall america since civil world war. if anything positive to come out of the tragedy of the renewed closeness that many americans feel with one another. you may have built it yourself. that is threatening to some of the people in charge. this is an election year, remember, they profit most when divided against each other. encouraging us to hate our neighbors takes the focus off of their many failures. on friday, one anchor at cnn to side of the real lesson of this pandemic is that we need more racial division. watch this. >> the counties that hire black populations account for more

than half of the covid-19 cases. scientists say it is clear things like health care access unemployment and discrimination. our behind the disparities. are you listening from america? why should african-americans care about opening up this country and rebuilding the economy if you rebuild when we have people dying? >> tucker: msnbc meanwhile doesn't want you to think about the prosecutors in new york state now looking into this sexual abuse of the network. that is one of the many things they would rather you never think about. so they turn their entire hour over on the weekends to an open race hater who has conspiracy theories about plots against citizens based on their skin color. every week, here is the latest. >> and so here we are again. with conservatism among the cohort of white guys writing itself and the idea that even during a pandemic, these screaming men and women have a god-given right to get their roots done and order a steak in

a restaurant and hit the golf course and the bar. and those rights, which they claim were conferred upon them by god require a disproportionately black and brown labor force to return to work. get back on the wheel and risk death in order to serve them. and return them to their comfortable lives. >> tucker: none of that is true. it is vicious. nbc knows it's not true but telling the truth is not the point of the segment. the point is to make us paranoid and divided. that is always the point. why are they doing this exactly? why do they always do this? for answers, thank you so much for coming on. so i just see a theme here which is the media would very much like americans to be divided into categories and to hate each other. why do you think they push that so often? >> welcome i don't think there is anything wrong with being worried with inequality. >> tucker: i agree. >> but the problem is, they are

taking one variable in using it to define the entire problem. we know the death rate per coronavirus is twice as high for men and it is for women but we are not describing it as a male virus, right? we know nursing homes account for many of the deaths in america but we are not describing it as a nursing home pandemic. it is getting everybody. 7 out of 10 americans are outside of the african-american community. we need to be focusing social concern and compassion policy on everybody whether meat-packer in nebraska or a document -- dr. or young african or young white person. every single person who has it has it and you have a white group they are a part of. cherry picking kind of with a social concern among group risk at a time where we can be indicted. and also risk redirecting us from government officials feeling on the job. talking about -- is going to rescue people. >> tucker: exactly.

let me interject, i agree. so completely they say they care about inequality but the real inequality is economics. and it is wrecking the country in my opinion. they never talk about that but why is that? >> look, if something struck me about what he said, don lemon comeaux week, what week? don women is young, healthy and wealthy person and not a meat-packing worker from el salvador in chronic conditions living in a shack. he just shares skin color of people who happen to be infected or died and so do you and so do i. that is not the variable we need to be looking at. we need to be looking at things that put you at risk. we know that whites have two or three times the suicide rate than any other group. that does not mean we describe suicide as a white issue. rather than just one racial group. >> tucker: that is exactly right. so smart. thank you for coming on tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: that is it for us tonight. the stage manager in washington

and one of the all-time favorite people on saturday, he and his wife, molly welcomed their son raphael michael into the family both mom and their new boy are in great health. congratulations to them. there is nothing better than expanding the size of your family. have a wonderful evening with your family and the great sean hannity now. >> hannity: great show tucker. welcome to "hannity." what did barack obama know and when did he know it? we will unravel the biggest scandal in american history and it is more clear than ever before. that barack obama knew a lot. how much? we will dig deep tonight and also how involved was the former president in deep states? prosecutorial misconduct, unmasking, weaponizing intelligence all roads lead right into his oval office. and breaking just moments ago, acting dni director ric grenell now seeking to declassify