he can't help himself at this point. that's all the time we have left. we hope you will set your dvr so you never, ever, ever miss an episode. amazon.com, hannity.com, order my new book. and let not your heart be troubled, there she is. laura. >> laura: okay, two seconds and you almost hit the post -- >> sean: i did hit the post. >> laura: i'm looking at my clock, maybe two seconds, but that's good. i've got to say. and it's worth promoting your book. it's worth promoting your book. okay, i'll give you -- you want the hour, i'm leaving. >> sean: okay. it's not like i will have a hard time filling it. >> laura: i have a question. are you going to come on my show when, you know -- when i ask? you will? >> sean: are you want me to be our guest now? i'm not doing anything. >> laura: i'm jammed. i'm jammed right now. >> sean: so you don't want me

tonight. the attorney general, we now have the list of the on massacres. i can't wait to see it. >> laura: this is going to be good, it's about to get a lot better. >> sean: i've a a question. >> laura: yeah. >> sean: can you answer, barack, what did you know -- >> laura: and when did you know it? inquiring minds have wanted to know that for a long time. great show, see you tomorrow. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. in a leaked call with his former administration official and supporters, barack obama excoriated the doj for its decision to drop the flynn prosecution. ken starr, sol wisenberg tell us why he's wrong. bus, what might a january 2017 oval office meeting with joe biden and barack obama tell us about the entire entry trump operation? mollie hemingway explains. and governor cuomo gets hollywood impersonations a try

and we reveal some "the squad" " faucifawning. it raymond arroyo reveals all in seen and unseen but first, obama to the rescue. that's the focus of tonight's angle. now, why now? why did barack obama decide to come out to publicly inject himself into the doj flynn saga? >> there's no precedent that anybody can find someone who's been charged with perjury getting off scot-free. that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. >> laura: in the end, will the fbi's entrapment of drums form a national security advisor the best known as obamagate? well, i tell you, many questions

than in answering. why did obama know about flynn's called before the acting attorney general even knew about it? why didn't he tell the incoming president about those specific concerns? why did susan rice write that memo to the file. we noted at the time, this weird memo written at noon on inauguration day. the last possible second saying that president obama wanted everything done vis-a-vis flynn by the book. where going to address these questions in depth in a few moments. sure, obama wanted to get out in front of the obvious conclusions that he was green lighting all of this anti-trump effort from day one. but i also suspect another motivation is at play as well. one word, legacy. does he want to be remembered for hope and change? or surveillance and set ups? for the past three years, after his party's stinging loss in

2016, barack obama avoided pretty much tangling with the trump administration. the only time, in fact, he seemed like the old obama, was in 2018 when he hit the campaign trail, even for losing candida candidate. [cheers and applause] >> there are a lot of good reasons. it got the ocean, you've got really good cuban sandwiches, but the real reason i came down to miami, because this tuesday might be the most important election of our lifetimes. politicians will always say that, but this time it's actually true. >> laura: of course, with all the same swagger, he's going to parrot that line again when he's on the campaign trail for joe biden. because it's not just the presidency on the line, it's obama's entire legacy.

when a brash political novice like trump be the democrats in 2016, it was just a repudiation of hillary clinton. it also was a rejection of what obama had accomplished as well. in case you've forgotten, after eight years of obama, race relations weren't better, they were worse. after eight years of obama, the right track, wrong track numbers were also bad. wages were also flat. the trans-pacific partnership was so lame that even hillary clinton wouldn't run on it. the paris climate accords? they were never ratified, so the obama progressive utopia collapsed. no wonder trump won! for the history books, he needs to turn that perception around. he needs to show the american people that they made a mistake in trump, which may have compelled them of course, them

being the fbi, et cetera, to entrap flynn in january. we are going to find out soon, i hope, all those details. due to the global pandemic, president obama now sees the november election is winnable. he doesn't want to be left being criticized as letting this one slip through the democrats' fingers. but of course there's one little problem here. obama isn't on the ticket and i don't think is going to leave that highlife at netflix to become joe's secretary of state, do you? this just all reminds me of -- it's kind of like hollywood trying to sell a movie sequel, but the lead actor from the original only ends up making a brief cameo in the new one. in this case, obama at the biden inauguration. the democrats and their media poodles will flail away at president trump for a pandemic that china started, we've seen that. but meanwhile, their presumptive nominee is actually incapable of

standing up and taking questions from pretty much anyone. even a comedian. >> i've been doing a lot of live stream things and i'm getting used to it. it amazes me that everybody is, you know, tuning in to so many different ways to find out what's going on. >> laura: well, they have a candidate who can't campaign. the likely vp candidate, i don't think that's going to help them much either. >> one nation under a groove. [laughs] and republicans, who have been -- excuse me, real defenders of the president. >> did you ever smoke? >> i have. and i did inhale. >> laura: i love the forced laughter. how do you win and election when your ticket -- it's so lame!

are to believe that biden -- watching everything that's happened just over the past few months, that biden would better handle the pandemic than trump? please! he can't even handle an interview with "the view." >> the house and the senate -- as of 10 minutes before i got on this call -- excuse me, this call, the program. looks like they're pretty close to a deal. >> laura: sorry, i can even believe that someone running for president. would biden have worked better with our allies, i don't know, to stand up to china for its lying about the virus? maybe they'll argue that. that's absurd on its face. >> china's going to eat our lunch? come on, man, they're not bad folks, folks. but guess what? they are not the competition for us. >> laura: which brings us back to why obama has emerged from

his important work at netflix to inject himself back into politics. he's a smart guy, he obviously sees the point that i just laid out. he knows biden is shaky and that he can't possibly match the grassroots energy of trump on the trail, obama knows this. thus, a back to the future strategy for democrats to be their best bet. ultimately though, the shows -- just think about it for moment. it shows a complete intellectual bankruptcy on their part. they can't point to a single example as to whether policies would do better than trump's either before or after the coronavirus hit our shores. and they can't really put biden out there for an extended period of time without america seeing his obvious frailty. for most candidates, being locked in the basement, that would be a bad thing. but for biden? it's a gift. that leaves obama to do the heavy lifting.

who needs biden obviously to win for his own legacy as much as his party's future. and that's the angle. as i said, obama claims that the rule of law is at risk because of barr, bill barr, the attorney general. course is wrong and i'm not the only one calling him out. "the wall street journal" editorial board writing yesterday, without mr. obama -- we doubt mr. vann has even read the department motion to drop the flynn prosecution. if he does ever read it, he'll find disconcerting facts that certainly do raise doubts about whether "our basic understanding of the rule of law is at risk" though not for the reason he claims." joining me now is ken starr, former independent counsel advising berg, former deputy independent counsel in fox news contributor. let's start with you, why is obama wrong here? >> the motion to dismiss the general flynn indictment i think is very, very troubling for

president obama. it's not only when you read this motion and every american should read this motion. it's very readable. the question emerges not just what did the president know and when did he know it? i'm going to ask the further question. what of the president do and when did he do it? and did he know that the department of justice was being completely circumvented by his director of the fbi, jim comey, in league with james clapper. huge questions. don't jump to conclusions, but let's ask the questions. he is now, i believe, with all due respect, open himself up to some of the most serious questions over the last -- certainly the last four years. >> laura: saul, saul course the president wanted to perhaps get ahead of this story as best

he could. this follows the peter strzok thing, this president wanted to be kept informed. the susan rice memo to the file at the last second of the administration saying obama wanted everything done by the book. thoughts on why he emerged at this point in time? >> i think it's important for him to join the chorus of how this is being spun, because as i've said many times over the last year, it's very important for them to try to destroy the legitimacy of bill barr because bill barr is doing the right thing and he's getting to the bottom of this and it's entirely lawful for the department of justice to dismiss a prosecution in the interest of justice. in this motion was used very cogent region. an investigation of the incoming national security advisor had already completely cleared him

but was kept open under a fraudulent pretext and he was interviewed under a fraudulent pretext and there was absolutely nothing wrong with his phone calls with the russian ambassador and what shows disrespect for the law is when you unmask officials who shouldn't be unmasked and then leak classified material and leak the phone calls to the press, which is a felony offense. punishable with a 10-year statutory maximum. so i if you cared about the rule of law, he wouldn't be so hypocritical, because he wouldn't have announced on national tv when he was president that there's no way in his view that hillary clinton could have intentionally -- intentionally released classified material at the same time his prosecutors were investigating her. so this premise is wrong in his

epic article. >> laura: speaking of unmasking, the acting dni ric grenell has announced that they will be divulging the names of the obama administration officials who asked for individuals to be unmasked. what type of jeopardy could they possibly be in when we ultimately -- which i assume we will find out who those people were? >> the key is not who did the unmasking or asked for the unmasking. the key is -- that may be an ethical violation or potential violation, but the key is who leaked the classified information. that's what saul is talking about. that is the crime. that's the very serious crime. so if the unmasking was related to an understanding that there would then be a leak, of "the washington post," then that person may very well be in jeopardy, but the key is who leaked the classified

information. >> laura: i just keep going back to that susan rice memo to the file at noon on inauguration day. that's always stuck in my craw. it's always been on the back of my mind. but i want to ask about the 2100 former doj officials. you were one at one point obviously and judge starr who asked for now attorney general bars resignation saying for the integrity of the justice department and for our democra democracy, for attorney general barr to step aside or the democracy -- acts as an independent arbiter of equal justice, not as an arm of the president of our stress political apparatus, how much is that worth, that statement, sa saul? >> well, that and $0.35 would have gotten you on the subway four years ago. i don't know how much it costs now, but i think this is the same group -- this is the same regurgitated group. i think this is the third time they've asked him to resign so we should consider it a badge of honor, but i'd like to go back

to something very important that you left out about the susan rice memo that she wrote after the inauguration. not only to the president say do the law enforcement by the book, but the president essentially said as i interpret her memo, you don't have to tell the incoming administration everything about the russia investigation. of course, and that's the point of taking michael flynn out, because if he comes in is national security advisor and stays in the, they're going to have to tell him about crossfire hurricane and he's going to cut it off. >> laura: bingo. the plot thickens! couldn't have thought of two better guests. as i have just mentioned acting dni ric grenell has reportedly declassified the list of former obama officials and did do that unmasking of mike flynn via his phone call with the russian ambassador and perhaps other

people. the news comes as "the federalist" mollie hemingway points to a stunning white house meeting on january 5th 2017. it was at this meeting where obama gave guidance to key officials who would be tasked with protecting his administration's utilization of secretly-funded clinton campaign research, which allegedly trump was involved in a treasonous plot to collude with russia from being discovered or stopped by the incoming administration. mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist," fox news contributor joins us now. let's start with who was at that meeting and why that list was significant. >> just as sol just talked about, we knew a little bit about this meeting because of this weird email that susan rice had sent to herself saying that obama wanted everything done by the book, but also he wanted to see if there was any reason that you wouldn't share information about russia. it always struck people is where but thanks to these documents that were released last week for

the hard work of attorney general bill barr and others, we now know that this was very small small meeting of people. it began as a larger meeting of intelligence officials, but then obama asked the people who would be leaving at the end of his administration to leave the meeting and he kept only those two people who would be continuing on into the trump administration. james comey and sally yates. and that's what they started hatching a plan to make sure that the incoming's administration would find out what they had been doing or what they planned to continue doing in terms of spying on the trump campaign and the people affiliated with it. >> laura: what's amazing about all this, given that -- if you're a journalist, and you art the documents that are now released, this is what people have been waiting for, if you're curious, for a couple of years now. and yet what happens on nbc with chuck todd is that they decide to take from this an interview that bill barr did with cbs and

deceptively edit it. >> wait until you read this answer, take a listen. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, history is written by the winners, so it largely depends on who's writing the history. >> i was struck, peggy, by the cynicism of the answer. >> laura: of course barr comes off as kind of cavalier in that clip, like it's just the winners and move on. there's what barr actually said, molly, watch. >> well, history is written by the winners so it largely depends on who's writing the history, but i think a fair history would say it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law. it upheld the standards of the department of justice and it undid what was an injustice. >> laura: nbc apologized later but we all know what would happen if "the ingraham angle" pulled that kind of stunned,

don't we? >> they barely apologized, they put a little tiny comment in a reply to someone at the department of justice, but this is an example of what has been going on for years, where the exact opposite of the truth keeps on getting reported and they just keep on suppressing information. this idea that attorney general barr, by carrying transparently about the rule of law -- doesn't care about the rule of law while the people who lie on 302s or destroy 302s, these fbi documents who destroy evidence, who illegally spy on the trump campaign with these warrants that were ill-gotten. who illegally interview people, that is not rule of law, that is a problem and i think people are aware that attorney general barr cares deeply about rule of law and wants to hold people accountable for not caring about it over the course of the last several years. >> laura: that's right, that's why they had to slash and burn -- try to burn -- the attorney general, they knew that this information was ultimately going to come out and had to try to besmirch his reputation. but let me just say, they

failed. real quick. >> it so true, the attorney general keeps putting out his reasoning in a very transparent way. you can agree or disagree with it but he puts it out there and he makes his case, that is not what we have seen from the department odepartment of justii previous years. >> laura: now, and mccabe on down. great to see her tonight, great reporting on this as always. i had, the medical experts are trying only catching on with the anger angle has been saying, can we trust the numbers with the cdc? week speak to americans who had their livelihood stripped due to the measures enacted as a result of the faulty numbers. stay there.

♪ >> laura: covid news that broke over the weekend is exactly what "the ingraham angle" has been telling you now for weeks.

"the washington post" reporting on saturday about a heated exchange between dr. deborah birx and robert redfield, the head of the cdc. "birx and others were frustrated with the cdc's antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics such as mortality rate in case count by as much as 25%. birx reportedly said there's nothing from the cdc that i can trust. that's really encouraging. after weeks of starting the cdc's data and collection methods, we have to agree. but let's be real, the cdc can't even accurately count flu deaths in a given year, which they admitted to on this show a couple of weeks ago, to the show in text back-and-forth with us. so why are we trusting them to count covid deaths. this isn't some philosophical concern either. a bad data, as we've shown you, leads sometimes to bad policies which we are now seeing take

hold across the united states, especially in blue states. all the way out in hawaii, police are arresting tourists and residents, by the way, and giving them $5,000 fines and a year in jail if they don't quarantine for 14 days. okay, if you go on the beach in front of your house you can get cited in hawaii. authorities there already detained a newlywed couple on their honeymoon and just yesterday miami police arrested a woman for the terrible crime of standing on beach sand. she was protesting the fact that unlike the rest of flawed, miami-dade county is refusing to give people their freedom back. across the country, businesses that we all took for granted and we all love are now deemed unessential. they are effectively criminalized, including barbershops and salons, which brings us to our next guest. the owner of a salon in san diego. she is part a lawsuit filed by frequent angle guest harmeet dhillon filed on

behalf -- she's busy. what is your message tonight to governor newsom, who says you're not essential? >> well, you know, when all of this came about, to be quite honest, i didn't deem my salon or business as essential either. in fact, we closed days before the state-mandated closing. at this point we are now looking at two months in, our goal was to flatten the curve. we have since done that and so i believe wholeheartedly that every business now is essential. my livelihood, the livelihood of my employees is on the line. >> laura: gavin newsom, the governor of california, at tim times, he sounds, you know, pretty reasonable, don't worry, don't get ahead of yourself, watch. >> people get ahead of themselves a little bit and i recognize those symptoms in terms of the cabin fever we are all feeling and how businesses are so eager to get back to

work, but it is absolutely incumbent upon all of us to be thoughtful and judicious as we move into this next phase. >> laura: certain beaches are open, orange county is closed. liquor stores essential, getting her hair done, getting yourself fixed up, make yourself feel better, that's nonessential. are you getting ahead of yourself? >> you know what, when all this started, i began by getting out of myself and making sure i did everything i could to position myself to be a safe space for my clients. we are not only mandating -- mandated by the state already to uphold certain health and safety standards, but we have really unique relationships with our clients. it would cut their hair off before chemo treatments -- excuse me. we see them get married. we see them, you know, through their divorce -- >> laura: are like family.

>> exactly. we want them to be safe. >> laura: when you go to get your hair done -- of course i have to go get my hair done, you get there -- you become really close to the people. this is not just -- this is important for people, not because it's life or death, but it's part of our daily existence and part of the community and people always care about the community until members of the community are really hurting here and those are livelihoods and i know you care about your people. i know you care about your customers and i know you want to survive yourself after this. we just wish you all the best >> thank you so much. >> laura: keep going. keep going, we support you 100%. >> thank you. we will. thank you so much. >> laura: best of luck. the lockdown insanity is also affecting red states like idaho, where governor brad little -- this is shocking to me -- is threatening to strip the hardware brewing and many its

alcohol license if they don't shut down immediately. the owners join me now. the town your brewery is located in -- i know kendrick, i've been there, only had 300 people living there, so why the heck are you guys being targeted by the governor, 300 people? >> like the lady before, we complied totally with the shutdown order. we tried to survive on take out, but we are a destination place. a beautiful building, 116 years old, we put our life savings into it and we made it a destination place. where people come in groups, they come for wedding parties. they come to stay and enjoy the ambience of this beautiful building, play some shuffleboard, have some good food. but it is a destination place. we do not drive that many miles to come out in a hazmat suit and hand them a burger.

the second night he thought we were open we were not part of the listed essentials. neither were our neighbors, some bar owners, salon owners, the gym. we are all told we are not essential and we have to stay close. we defied this order because we know of no law, no legislation that's been passed, no law that's been signed by the governor that says we can't operate, that we can't enjoy commerce, which is our right, our constitutional right. we opened like we always have, the same hours in the same time. when we did that, we got a lot of support. if the lieutenant governor came. former representative came. mike kinsley came, state senator johnson. local sheriff. >> laura: i love it. >> they all showed up. >> laura: you know why they're showing up? we didn't mean to shortchange the guys here, but we are going to stick with christine, they showed up because they know what

anyone who is run or worked in a restaurant knows. you can't survive on 25% -- most people can't survive on 70% occupancy or 75% occupancy let alone on these new restrictions. you might as well just close up shop now if that's going to be the new rule but i know you did a lot of other things with masks and everything else and again, we wish you the best and you've got to get legal representation if they do move to shut you down. shocking that a republican governor would go after business owners this way. butch otter was the former governor, i don't think he would've done this. thank you very much and best -- go ahead, real quick. >> without her helping us out in san francisco and i truly believe the reason we are being targeted is because the lieutenant governor showed up. had she not shown up to show our support, we would have governor little after a loss. >> laura: she is defending you also as well and yes i knew that i forgot. harmeet dhillon is a rock star. that is really good inside info

on the politics in that state and idaho is one of the greatest states in the country and that's got to turn around. you have a few deaths, i know, in your general area with the state overall has, what, 56 deaths or something, which again is horrible -- 157? >> 67. >> laura: 70, okay. >> laura: we've got to roll. best of luck to you. sorry about the delay going back and forth, but best of luck and i'll be there having a brew soon i hope. manatt, biden's blunders extend his online strategy. hollywood icon wants to play liberal darling. who was it? raymond arroyo is here, seen and unseen is next.

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>> laura: time for are seen and unseen segment where we expose the big cultural stories of the day. joining us with all the details, raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. raymond, the biden campaign is now hiring digital staff for the harrison warren campaign. why the sudden digital focus, pray tell? >> well, part of the reason is their online outreach is as tired as their candidate's basement performances. this was biden today with andrew yang. >> joe! what's going on! >> how are you doing? >> you look great. >> i feel good. i'm ready to get out.

>> ready to get out. basic communications note, laura. your gestures should accompany the message, not come several seconds after. the biden campaign has been plagued by glitches, like that tragic thing we showed you last week, but the technical snafus aside, the real problem with the biden online approaches the candidate himself and what he is saying or not saying. even when the audio and visuals are clear, he's repetitive, he's babbling. but the biggest problem is they decided to try and sell biden as an empathetic kindly old grandpa in the basement people are looking for a fighter. i received two messages today from the trump in the biden campaigns. they tell you everything. trump's email was about his team making a $10 million ad to explore everything "sleepy joe is trying to cover up" with china. and they talk about the travel bands that he calls a phobic and how he supported trade deals with china. then there was a call to contribute to fund these

commercials. okay? you might ask, what did the biden email say? it read, "we want to make sure our nurses know how grateful we are for the hard work, so will you sign our card today is to say thanks"? this is the problem, writ large. >> laura: well, that shows he's empathetic and they think i guess he'll get women voting for biden, i guess they don't care about having jobs -- i think this brings -- i think jobs are back front and center at this point and democrat governors -- >> that's not all about apathy. >> laura: democratic governors want to keep people in the basement at home, inside and trump wants people to get back to work, do it safely, smartly, but use their own judgment i think that's going to be the choice for people. >> trump campaign engages their viewers. urgent programming. if got that -- biden is raffling off a video call with joe.

this is like the fast and furious versus driving miss daisy. it will not work. it will not work. >> laura: only two people, raymond -- only two people have seen biden in his campaign staff since mid-march and one of them was jill's chief of staff. only one person from his campaign has laid eyes on him since mid-march. is that the candidate you want to run? okay. >> unbelievable. speaking of message reinforcement, this seems to be synergy between hollywood and left-leaning politicians. robert de niro recently appeared on the late show with stephen colbert and though he claims to support biden, he said it's nice to have a backup like governor andrew cuomo. >> if there are ever movies again, there will be a movie about this. would you want to play? >> i guess i will play cuomo. >> i had dinero, and he says he says you. >> i'm a big fan.

>> has ever seen taxidriver? it's about a homicidal maniac wants to kill a presidential maniac. that always amazes me who gets cast as these icons on the left. remember the ruth bader ginsburg flick were felicity jones played rbg? with got to move onto the fauci thing before we run out of time. sally quinn apparently admitted that her novel -- novel set in the 90s was based on anthony fauci. it all comes around. >> laura: she basically said he was like the romantic inspiration and a sexy romantic inspiration for that character. let's let people marinate on sexy and romantic, just for a moment. that tells you all you need to know about washington parlor games. raymond, thank you so much. great to see you. the tara reade allegations against joe biden have led to a re-examination of how the former

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♪ >> laura: tara reade's sexual assault allegations against biden have brought renewed scrutiny of the former vp's lead role in the clarence thomas confirmation fight. fox news chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher is live in the west coast newsroom with the latest on that story, trace. >> at the heart of the #metoo movement in the acura rations though mike tomei accusations, vice president biden said women should be believed. quoting her, "for a woman to

come forward in the glaring lights of focus -- really, you've got to start up of the perception that at least the essence of what she's talking about israel" except this time around, the essence of what tara reade is talking about is apparently not real and not to be believed, says joe biden. but biden sudden change of heart is in his only perspective since getting a second look. senator joe biden was the chair of the judiciary committee that oversaw the sexual harassment allegations against then-supreme court supreme court nominee clarence thomas. biden now says he regrets the way he oversaw anita hill's testimony adding, quoting, "i wish i could have done something," but legal experts say he could have done something. in fact, to steal a phrase, biden could have started off with the presumption that presumption that even -- could have shielded from attacks, but at the time, biden thought the questioning was warranted. watch. >> it is appropriate to ask

anything any member wishes to ask her to plumb the depths of her credibility. >> biden himself was accused of contributing to the hostile tone of that hearing, which is why his actions are now getting a second look. laura. >> laura: trace, thanks so much. pbs will be airing a clarence thomas documentary next week. watching some of the footage we find justice thomas, well, as usual, downright prophetic. joining me now, director and producer of the new film, "created equal." clarence thomas in his own words. i'm not an unbiased observer here. i consider justice thomas one of the greatest living americans, forget just greatest jurists, as a person, as a humanitarian, as a mentor to so many. but i want to get to this prescient warning from justice thomas. >> it's a tactic and when people see it being successful, they

don't realize, they're going to be the next ones in the tower of london. it's just a matter of time. you allow this to be a precedent in your society and people might say, it's wonderful, this particular guy is getting tarred and feathered, well, there's a lot of tar and is a lot of feather and eventually you will be there. >> laura: michael, how ironic that biden is now the other side of this. >> indeed. he's got his own anita hill. but actually, it's the clarence thomas, anita hill hearing that is the first time the sexual harassment charges were weaponized. the very first time, and it's gone on and it's been a tactic ever since then and it's amazing that justice thomas saw -- and this was even before kavanaugh that we interviewed him, that sooner or later you'll be the next one in the tower of london and now, joe biden is in the tower of london. it is ironic. >> laura: here's what justice thomas said about the left's double standard on race. >> there's different sets of rules for different people if

you criticize a black person was more liberal. you're a racist. whereas if you can do whatever to me or to now ben carson, and that's fine because you're not really black because you're not doing what we expect black people to do. >> laura: of course, michael, biden got criticized for his statements on forced busing, but not what he did to thomas. >> indeed. if he's apologized to anita hill but not justice thomas. we have is grilling of clarence thomas in the first part of the hearing before anita hill where he uses sort of the intricacies of natural philosophy to try to trick justice thomas to saying something about roe, sort of a comic moment in the film, but it wasn't comic i don't think for justice thomas. so biden has -- probably would prefer this whole incident not be looked at, but unfortunately, our film will be aired next monday on pbs, so people have a chance to look at it.

>> laura: i had a chance to watch it, let me just say, michael, thank you for doing this film. it's important to hear justice thomas' own words. you know, my grandfather's son with his book that was beautifully written, and everyone should read that book, but this is like the compendium to that. by the way, i want to play this. this is what he said about the people who tried to destroy him. watch. >> we know exactly what's going on. and to pretend that it's for some other reason, do i have like stupid written on the back of my shirt? i mean, come on, we know what this is all about. this isn't about what they say -- people should just tell the truth. this is the wrong black guy. he has to be destroyed. just saying. and now at least we are honest with each other. >> laura: michael, they still don't admit -- the campaign had nothing to do with sexual harassment and everything to do that he was an

african-american and wouldn't do what they wanted him to do as perhaps others would. >> well, that's right. beginning when he became a public figure in the '80s in the reagan years, he was come as he says, the wrong black guy. they have the wrong views on busing, affirmative action, and he's been a target ever sense and in a way, using these naked racist tropes that is a sense, they couldn't apply to liberal african-americans and in spite of that all, as you know, laura, he does not define himself as a victim. he has this amazing resilience and joy. he has that wonderful laugh and he won't define himself as a victim. and we tell, as you know, as you just said, about his entire life story, which is a great story, you know, coming from dyer property in the segregated south with many setbacks to the highest court in the land -- >> laura: don't give it all away. don't give it all away, michael, everyone has to watch this on

monday on pbs. i will like it on twitter and facebook as well. michael, thank you so much for this film. thank you for justice thomas speaking out. up ahead, bernie 2024? the last bite, next. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional --

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>> you did not fully close the door, senator. >> very, very unlikely. that i will be running for president ever again. >> laura: he will turn 83 before election day 2024, but given what we saw this cycle, he might not be the oldest democrat running. a shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. i took seven seconds, i will give it to you tomorrow, shannon. >> shannon: i'm looking forward to the next round of election. it always is fun. >> laura: have a fantastic show. >> shannon: thanks, laura. a fox news alert, not just small businesses like that headline making hair salon in texas, billionaire elon musk must threatening to relocate his massive operation to another state. we will talk about with minority leader kevin mccarthy. he is live in minutes. and the president calling it