that is the story of monday may 11, 2020 and the story goes on. we will see you back ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." on inauguration day 2017, it is likely not one in 100,000 americans were thinking about russia. the last thing most people were thinking about. the cold war ended peacefully more than 25 years before. moscow was no longer america's main strategic rival and had been for 50 years. russia had been downgraded instead to the status of regional power, consumer disputes with places like ukraine. in the america media there were more stories about alcoholism than there were about russia. but in the white house in washington that morning, russia was very much the main topic.

itas was january 20th, the last day of the obama administration, and susan rice sat down to write her final memo. she described the transition which had been underway for months. she wrote this "during a meeting two weeks before, president obama said he wants to be sure that as we engage with w the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason we cannot share information fully as it relates to russia." and rice did not explain why obama staff felt it might not be possible with intelligence to the trump staffer for thatht matter why the obama people thought they had the right to withhold national security information from an incoming american president had just won a national election. rice di not need to elaborate there was only one possible explanation to this, donald trump could very well be a russian agent. barack obama himself said he believed that was possible. and in rice's words, "the president asked jim comey toev

inform him if anything changes the next few weeks that should affect how we share of classified information with incoming team.ng comey said he would." what exactly does that mean? here is what it means. the president of the united states turned to the head of the fbi the most powerful law enforcement in america and said, continue to secretly investigate my chief political rival so i can them. comey's response, yes, sir. that is what obama was saying openly. in any normal period in american history, this exchange would define barack obama forever. a disgraced president who used federal law enforcement to hurt his political enemies. that is what he did. unfortunately, this is not a normal period. already today obama's ordered comey to investigate donald trump relative to a little footnote and joe biden happen to be sitting in the room with this happened. has biden ever been asked about that? it is possible he never has

been. most media outlets have ignore the origins of conspiracy notes completely. as a result of that, barack obama's plan to derail his successor unfolded with very little opposition along the way including from republicans. the entire country therefore spent the first three years of the trump administration hyperventilating about russian collusion that did not exist. susan rice did her part to help it along. here is rice in july 2017, year and half later, suggesting a network television the president of the united states was indeed working for vladimir putin. >> he has taken a series of steps that had vladimir putinn dictate that he could not have made more effectively. what his motivations are i think is a legitimate question, one that i trust the special counsel is investigating, but the policies of this president has pursued globally have served vladimir putin's interest in dividing the west, undermining democracy.si >> do you think that is an open question whether or not he

compromised russia? >> george, i don't know what his motivations are. i think that is a legitimate question.. >> tucker: in fact it was never a legitimate question. it was a reckless slur, the most reckless possible slur, the kind that damages a whole country with a politician it is aimed at. rice knew perfectly well there was no evidence at all that donald trump worked for russia. we know she believed that because she admitted as much in an oath in a closed-door hearing in congress. the white house committee, the reason she was accusing trump officials of treason against their own country was that some of them seem unduly worried about the rise of china. here is what susan rice for example said about generalhe michael flynn, "general flynn's focus was on china is the principle of overarching adversary. he had many questions and concerns about china. when i sought to elicit his perspective on russia, he downplayed his assessment of russia as a threat to the united states. he called it overblown.

he said there were declining power and demographically challenged. they are not much of a threat. and then re-emphasize the importance of china. i had seen enough at that point and heard enough to be a little bit sensitive to the question of the nature of general flynn's engagement with the russians." did you follow that? because michael flynn correctly described russia ass a declining power and then went on to criticize susan rice's close friend in the chinese government, susan rice concluded that general flynn must be a frputin spy. this is idiotic and crazy. t it's hard to believe that susan rice was once national security advisor of the united states, but she was. evelyn farkas was once barack obama's secretary of defense. she repeatedly went on televisionma to say ample evidee the trump administration is colluding with russia and yet like susan rice, she said something completely different under oath before congress "i

didn't know anything, she admitted. noww we quoted evelyn farkas saying that on this show on friday. she responded to us and saying we were missing some key facts. now originally she agreed to come on tonight and explain what those key facts might be. she is running for congress now in new york. unfortunately then, evelyn farkas backed out, but we hope she fervently comes back to tell us what those might be. we would like to speak to barack obama elsegh also. that is unlikely so we will have to settle for what he told his oufriends. onel friday obama had a private call with supporters that was immediately leaked to the media. in it the man who sicked law enforcement on political rivals accused current administration of undermining the rule of law. >> that is the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic not just institutional norms, but basic understanding of rule of law is

at risk. >> tucker: institutional norms. these people are nothing if not predictable. what you just heard as always was textbook projection. you see it again and again and again. what they accuse you of doing, they are eagerly doing themselves. the rule of law, yelps obama! it is almost amusing. thee press didn't find it funny in the slightest. they saw a note no irony at all. they repeated it verbatim with solemn faces. chuck todd accused of bill barr of coming the rule of law of ignoring it completely and to prove that, chuck todd used what seem to be quite a quote, watch this. >> i want you to listen to this bill barr answer to a question

about what will history say about this. wait until you hear this answer. take ahi listen. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, history is written by the winter so it depends on who is writing the history. >> i was struck by the cynicism of the answer. it is a correct answer, but he is the attorney general. he didn't make the case he was upholding the rule of law. >> tucker: struck by the cynicism. chuck todd who is married to a political consultant was just struck by the cynicism. he could barely believe it. he was stunned! bill barr didn'the even mention upholding the rule of a kind of a major omission for an attorney general. but wait, it turns out that bill barr did mention the rule of law. it was at the center of his answer. that was his tv tape and nbc got a hold of it and edit out the words to distort bill barr's meaning. we have the real tape.

here it is. >> whenrr history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, history is written by the winner so it it largely depends on who is writing the gehistory, but i think a fair history would say, it was a good decision because it upheld the rules of law. >> tucker: yeah, to be clear, catherine herridge did not edit that tape but did a straightforward tape. nbc news edited the tape. if you think they can be aggressively dishonest, the foolishly dishonest, then you have not been paying close attention the past four years. they have been doing it since day one with the russian hoaxan and they don't plan to stop now. aaron mate as a writer and producer of "the gray zone" and he joins us tonight. it should be clear to the audience you are a man on the

left that you are a very few since day one not a trump supporter. but you said day one, there is no evidence of that. you took a huge amount of crap for saying that but how do you assess the whole story now that we have a lot more evidence than we did? >> on the questions of my own views, you approach it as a journalist and we follow theue facts. look, as a partisan, i always thought and who wants trump to lose in november, i always thought there could not be a bigger gift of donald trump and the republicans in channeling so-called resilience into a conspiracy theory. and it provided trump a gift of actual policies and people instead counting on robert mueller to bring him down in hopes that the tape was real. all of that was a farce as the evidence keep showing us. and now the more we learn about what is coming out from the origins of the russian investigation, the more we are learning just bought a scam it was.

we even had and you talked about this on your show, even shawn henry the president of the crowd strike and dnc contractor at the heart of the email hacking allegations against russia, henry admitted under oath to congress which we are only finding out now because schiff relief the transcript. henry admitted on the core allegation of whether or not he stole the emails that they have no direct evidence that the alleged russian hackers took anything off of the dnc. so on every single issue, you have a partisan role, to generate the russian hacking allegation. they hired fusion gps who generated the collusion allegation.. it is no surprise that all of these planks, the story that dominated politics for yearsd are collapsing. >> tucker: on the question of whether the russian government, because that was the claim the russian government not just frussian but hacked the email account and service of the national committee, you were one of the first people to say there is no evidence of that.

they got hysterical when youne said that. why do you think the reactionpl was so over-the-top when you question that? >> because the people who lost the 2016 election and came up with the excuse withn self reflection meant becoming antiestablishment party because donald trump ran by itself is an antiestablishment. but the answer for democrats with that direction. they couldn't do it because doing so would threaten their own privilege entities within the political system. so they had to find a boogie man and that was russia. that meant anybody whoieti questioned their narrative was thrown into the margin and team to be a trump apologist or a russian and all of this stuff. but the problem is, we have facts. the facts are coming out that showed every single level that this was a scam.

we've learned from the horowitz report the collusion investigation and where would said the fbi launch the initial trump probe based on a tip that george papadopoulos volunteered and suggested some kind of suggestion, it is the most vagul tip but the basis for a nonstop collusion frenzy for over three years. >> tucker: that's exactly right. and did so much damage on so many levels. thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me.nk >> tucker: this disaster and it was a disaster not just politically but internationally changed our russian policy as a result of this hoax. went on as long as it didy because pretty much no one in washington tried to put the brakes on. i don't want to point fingers or anything but for all of 2017 and 2018, republicans controlled bothf houses of congress. trey gowdy was there with the

house committee. congressman, thank you so much for coming on tonight. i think that this was, and i just said it from the very beginning, driven by the obama administration. but it was allowed to metastasize becauseby the republican-controlled congress did not stop it. why do you think that is? >> well, two things. let me just say, you reference susan rice.ec you need to read the rest of that email, but you can't because it hasn't been declassified. but a if you want to fully understand what president obama knew and what role he played, you need to read and access the rest of susan rice's email and hopefully, it will be declassified one day and you can. for russia, i thought devin nunes did a phenomenal job. this is what he said. we will find out what russia did, with whom with anyone they did it and how to make sure they don't do it again in 2020 and then the issue of unmasking and unleash. and so there were things he

wanted us to look at. nobody gave a damn about three of them. all they cared about is with whom any one. 60, 70 witness interviews and that much or more and ten we bob mueller. look, am i defensive of devin nunes? i am because he had a difficult 2017. he wrapped up his investigation a lot quicker than popular with a lot less help from the witnesses. >> tucker: no, i think that is right. i think the scariest part of all of this is the behavior of the fbi the most powerful in the world. but it is sinister what they did to michael flynn. you were briefed by the fbi in 2018 and shortly after that briefing came on this channel to describe your reaction to it. here is what you said then. >> but as of now, i think chris

ray and rosenstein are stunned whenever people think trump are the target of the investigation. i will leave it up to them how to brief the president. >> that point of view that you are talking about right now, was that strength and going into this briefing last week? >> yes, i am more convinced the fbi did exactly whatf y my fellw citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and it has nothing to oudo with donald trump. >> tucker: i remember watching that and thinking, boy, i hope he is right. do you still feel that way? >> oh, gosh, no. i made a lot of mistakes in life. relying on briefings and not insisting on the documents. it took me about three weeks. i went to the department of justice. i sat there for four hours. that is when i saw peter strzok actually initiated and approved crossfire hurricane. that is when i saw exculpatory information on george papadopoulos. that is when i saw for the very first time that it was the trump campaign mentioned in that predicate document. they had been telling us all along trump is not the target. the campaign is not the target soon yes, my mistake was relying on the word of the fbi and the doj and not insisting on the

documents. luckily, it took me three weeks to correct that mistake. >> tucker: so that was in march, july, which of course many months later, you said the investigation it is not a witch hunt. you said pointblank, it is not a witch hunt. but of course, it was a witch hunt by definition. when did that dawn on you? >> tucker, if you think about thetc four points, number one, what did russia do? i am convinced that russia tried to interfere with the fundamentals of our democracy. point number one, what did russia do, number two with whom if anyone? i was down there for almost every witness interview and i asked the question, and the answer is no one with the trump campaign did anything with russia. then we got to the unmasking. so i don't think asking what did russia do to the country in 2016 or tried to do, i don't think that was a witch hunt. >> tucker: but we don't have evidence that they did attack the dnc servers or evjohn podesta's emails. so how exactly did russia skew

the election or interfere any more than a dozen other countries who tried to interfere every day? i'm totally confused. >> no, i think those are two separate inquiries. i don't think they impacted the results of the impact don't like the election at all. donald trump won fair and square. the senate wrote a report. i don't think, there is not much on the intelligence of did russia try to interfere. >> tucker: there is with me, there is with me. lots of countries interfere all the time. i want to know, is there any evidence that they hacked the dnc server. that is a central allegation and we are hearing, there is no evidence. and so i don't know what this is about. >> well, we couldn't answer that because remember the fbi did not gain accessab to that server. they didn't even try to gain access to the server. but the dnc gave it to crowd strike, and we will never know the answer to that question. i think whether or not to sow

seeds of discord, i think our report did a good job of outlining that, yes, they did with specific reference to the dnc. i asked that question. i don't know that anyonene connected russia t with the hacking of the dnc or if they did, i can't recall it. >> tucker: everyone did. turnsepublicans did it out, they didn't know that. thank you for coming on tonight, good to see you. >> you too. >> tucker: vapes shops in many states are closed yet liquor stores remain open.n. two people say it's totally okay, and three say it is illegal. on rules like this, are lockdown rules based on actual science, or are they more just social control for people who derive a lot of pleasure from control? we have the details after the break. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: most americans have approached the response to the coronavirus in good faith. they want to protect themselves and their neighbors and their families, and they trust our political leaders to make wise decisions based in science. andd yet, a lot of the lockdown rules don't seem to be based in science. some to be made upon the spot with very little consistency and no explanation. breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has an overview. >> for the record we don't know the science and data behind closing the beaches and now reopening of beaches comes with a list of rules and regulations and still no science.

the ocean in new jersey, you can walk on the beach, run on the beach, to get across to the water but you cannot sit on the beach, not on a chair, a towel, you have to keep moving and less you are fishing and then you can stand there. thee samele goes for los angeles county where the beaches open this week. you have to walk, run or the pathways built along the beach for walking and running are still shut down. remember in michigan when the governor gretchen whitmer banned powerboats? j.b. pritzker is allowing powerboats with no more than two people regardless of both sides. so if you happen to have more than two people in your family, apparently somebody is not goins boating, watch. >> it is restricted to two people per boat. it is not, you can't have five people or ten people in a boat. >> so if it is a family of four or five like wife and kids, they have to pick two of them at a time? >> they will, yeah. >> in california the parks are beginning to reopen and you are

allowed to sit sunday as long as 6 feet apart, but you are not allowed to stand 75 feet apart and play tennis. the new york prosecutors will not prosecute people with social distancing violation which means das are joining police unions protesting what they call mayor bill de blasio cnitive reproach to a public health crisis, tucker. >> tucker: it is amazing, trace gallagher, thank you for that. soso that is what some lockdowns look like around the country. sometimes the rules seem arbitrary and some seem corrupt but others seem designed to hurt people. they seem cruel. a lot of them don't in any way but even coherent lockdown policies, you have to ask the question, is it worth it? new coronavirus cases and deaths from coronavirus trending downward for more than a month. the hospitals are not overwhelmed outside of new york, they never were. the places that have reopen and

those that never shut down like ofden show no signs collapse. what is our basis than for keeping children out of schools, parents out of work, and people who are at almost no risk at all terrified out of their minds and many are? we ask that question repeatedly on the show because it doesn't seem like the leaders are asking that question. they seem oblivious to the medical calamities,e for examp, these calamities are causing across the country. in ohio, drug overdose deaths this year are up 50% over a year ago. deaths. many other counties reporting similar trends. a report by iq iva a health analyticss company estimate 80,000 cancer diagnoses have been missed in this country thanks to delayed medical care, 80,000. what are the outcomes there? the federal emotional support hotline have surged 1000%. and then, of course, and this is secondary, but there is the economic damage that will

reverberate for decades. 30 million americans, more actually, have lost their job so far. maybe the federal government will print off money to hand it to them, but that is not a real solution. handouts cannot replace the purpose and the dignity that comes from having a job. by the way, who was going to pay for this? what will happen to the debt? who is going to bail us out? you know the answer, china. they will be the creditors because they are the only people who can afford it. lawmakers and credit bureaus are oblivious to this, but shelley luther owns a hair salon in dallas, texas. she opened her salon so her employees could earn a living. that was in defiance of a shutdown order. she was arrested for that. she was given a stern lecture by a judge with a secure six-figure income and then thrown behind bars. thankfully, she was soon released, and we are happy too have her on. shelley, thank you so much for joining us tonight. it is hard to believe.

>> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: you don't look like a criminal. the only people inin america who went to jail, all the rapist are getting out, but what did you learn from the experience? >> well, i definitely learned whatever's going on in the court system is not fair. and we need to take a harder look in that for sure. >> tucker: yeah, i mean, you were lectured by a judge from harvard law school graduate that likes fine cigars who told you you needed to apologize to him personally. you need to grovel. kowtow before his bench or you would go to jail. you refused but why did you refuse? >> well, he wanted me to apologize for being selfish. i and i just told him, the government really didn't give me any choice. we are not getting the government funding we are promised ten weeks and weeks go by. they kind of forced my hand in going back to work. i was not going to apologize for working to feed my kids and let

my stylist feed their family as well. >> tucker: most people i think would have said, you know, i don't want to apologize to this pompous, but i don't want to go to jail. did it occur to you to give in this one time and go to jail? >> it never did. i talked to my dad before the ruling, and he was kind of trying to talk me out of it. and i said, i just can't because so many people are relying on me right now. ex-war veterans, just thousands and thousands and thousands of people thanking me for standing up for what was right. and i felt like if i gave in, everything we had done so far would be over. >> tucker: so you are a female business owner who took a stand on conscious and an unpopular stand and was jailed for it. that is the profile of a hero in our culture. you are not being treated like a hero by the news media. why do you think that is? >> it is not all the news media, but a lot of them think that the money was a scam. the gofundme account. look, i went into jail withh

$20,000 of legal funds that i didn't even know someone started for me. i was in jail two days and woke up, and there was $500,000 in there. i have nothing to do with it. not that i'm not grateful and i want to do great things with that. i have my brand-new charitable organization coming up called "courage to stand", and we just put up the website. i'm so, so excited to share that money and share my voice for people who are too scared to stand up themselves. >> tucker: yeah, i hope you send some to the challenger who will unseat that pompous on the court in texas. shelley, congratulations on getting out, thanks a lot for coming on tonight and saying what you believe. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> tucker: look, joe biden's presidential campaign humming along and there's only one weakness really, joe biden.

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events. that sounds good for a guy who's not good at speaking off scripts, but actually, it hasn't worked out very well. here is last week. >> is it just me? thank you so much for tuning in. i wish we could have done this together and done it little more smoothly, but i'm grateful we are able to connect virtually. thank you, for the great work that you are doing to meet this moment. >> tucker: if you are working for joe biden right now in your quiet moments, you may be asking yourself is this a long-term gig? canca we get this man to the white house without ever saying anything in public again? that is level. brian kilmeade is a frequent guest and we are proud of that.

he hosed every morning on fox & friends. sam houston "the alamo avengers" comes out in paperback tomorrow. be sure to check that out. brian, thanks a lot for coming out. so you have been watching this whole biden virtual campaign but how would you assess it? >> okay 25 fund-raisers and three press conferences and the one on thursday i will give it to a fox reporter to describe it. will how can a national campaign iallow this to happen? do they not have zoom? and i'm sure that they are rooting for him saying this was plagued by problems. it looked like it was run by a local seniors group that attempting zoom for the first time. this is unbelievable. i will add something to this, tucker. you have david axelrod who got barack obama elected twice. a lot of people say they did a great job of what they did and results reveal it. they know joe biden very well. they have known him for years and worked with him side-by-side for eight years. something is going on here because rather than talk to him,

they wrote an editorial at "the new york times" telling him, you have to get out of the basement. you look like you are beaming in from the space shuttle. instead, he is doing a virtualdo rope line where he asked different people one voter a day how things are going. so david axelrod and david, it is like you watch in the morning listening to the, radio show in the brain is bothering me. i will do an editorial in "the new york post" rather than texting me. it makes no sense.e. these are his supporters setting up three alarm fire. what is crazy in the battleground states, he is actually reading or just behind donaldld trump. so he's got his hands full. this is going to be barack obama against donald trump. i would not be surprised if joe biden introduces barack obama and then sits. i am not kidding. from august until november. and basically obama said as much friday on that call that leads to yahoo. joe biden, this is bigger than my election, he said. that is how important it is for joe biden to win for selection. listen, and to use more surrogates, wow!

can you imagine being the candidate, yeah, can you use other people? i've never seen anything more like it? >> tucker: he is stuck in this one-man nursing home. i have got to ask you and i read your book. in it, i think this is relative to what we are in now. a lot of disunity and you don't see that much in common. but the future may be our biggest problem. in the book you describe how texas was convinced not to leave and become its own country. are there lessons in that for us? >> a couple of things. abraham lincoln reached out to sam houston governor of texas. sam houston said if we enter the confederacy, we will lose hundreds of thousands of men and we will actually lose the war. and the legislature said we outvote you, sam. sam if you go into this war, i will leave. lincoln found out about it and said, sam, i will send you

50,000 troops, just keep texas out of this war. he was almost like nostradamus and he knew where the country was headed, but instead, he died in 1860 forcing the country torn apart and knowing -- i look at shelley luther, she is sitting there saying, i own a salon and i don't like that you tell me to go down economically in flames.r i don't like thatdo you are makg me lay off my workers. i don't like that i can't pay me rent. i'm standing up to do what is right. that is why people went to texas. they looked at america. and it was just too much of a who you know boys club. they went down wagging with a force and a shovel and said give me a chance at a new life. i would say to you, i know it is a reach, but shelley luther is saying the same thing. let me live my life. that is the attitude of texase and most americans like you pointed out earlier in the show. don't tell me two to axa boat. >> tucker: exactly. three men in a boat is okay in our country. brian kilmeade, congratulations on the paperback. thank you for doing that, go get

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♪ >> tucker: over the weekend the governor of new york andrew cuomo reversed himself and finally announced that nursing homes in the state will no longer be required to admit patients who are positive for the coronavirus. that announcement is desperately welcome, but it is far too late for the 5,000 plus nursing home patients who died in new york.te michael goodwin has been

covering this debacle from the very first day, and at times, the only person covering it for "the new york post." we are happy to have him on set. thank you for coming on. so we know more. you have reported more since we last spoke. where are we in the scandal? >> well, as you said, the governor reversed the march 25th policy, which required nursing homes to take covid positive patients who were being discharged from hospitals. that order gave them noo time to prepare and went into effect immediately and treated all nursing homes as though they were able to segregate patients and staff when many of them weren't. it didn't do any inspections to see if these were good nursing homes or bad nursing homes. the goal was simply to get these patients who were covid positivs out of the hospital to free up the hospital beds. now, this happened at a time, of course, when families were

banned from visiting them in the nursing home lest they bring in the coronavirus. and so while the families are banned, the governor orders that hundreds, if not thousands of infected patients, go into these nursing homes. and from that day, one owner said to me shortly thereafter, her residents began dropping like flies. this was like throwing a thousand matches into dried timber. it set every one of these nursing homes on fire in terms of the number of patients who died. i mean, i have never seen in all my years of covering politics in new york a consequential policy like this one. >> tucker: it is one of the saddest stories i have seen. a colleague of ours at fox lost two relatives in new york nursing homes as a result. two questions, has cuomo apologized for doing this and why are his approval ratings so high nonetheless in new york? >> to the apology is r quite the

opposite. he said the policy worked, but my answer is if it worked, he is simply incapable of admitting a mistake even one as horrific as this. that is part of the tragedy because he won't respond to the families that write to him who lost loved ones. i think he should meet with them. and whether this is going to be too little, too late, it certainly is for the many thousands who have already died. but i think it is finally att recognition that the policy was responsible for many of these deaths. so the governor won't call it a reversal, but it absolutely is. not only is he forbidding the hospitals from sending covid positive patients to nursing homes, he is now for the very first time requiring nursing home staff to be tested twice a week. so why did he wait all of this time to do even that? it was the most thoughtless, unconscionable policy i have ever seen in new york. >> tucker: it is the worst policy and that is saying a lot.

i have seen since it began. thank you foren reporting on ths from the beginning alone. good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: apparently 30 million jobs gone, 80,000 people dead aren't enough, at cnn, msnbc, this tragic pandemic is a chance to fan race hatred in america. why are they doing this? what is the gain? we will tell you after the break. ♪ mericans, it's a scary thought. during this crisis, 1 in 12 seniors and 1 in 7 children don't have access to nutritious food. we can all help. get involved at feedingamerica.org

♪ >> tucker: this pandemic killed tens of thousands of americans and millions more. overall, it's been the single greatest, since the second world war. if there's anything positive to come onto the tragedy it's the renewed a closeness that many americans suddenly feel with one another. you have may have felt it yourself. that's threatening to some of the people in charge and this is an election year remember and they talk most when they're divided against each other. encouraging us to hate our neighbors takes the focus on them their many failures. on friday, one anchor on cnn decided that a real left of the pandemic is that we need more racial division. watch this. >> they hire black populations that account of half of the covid-19 patients and they say it's clear that things like health care access unemployment,

discriminatione are behind the disparities. are you listening, america? why should african-americans care about opening up the country and re-building the economy if you're going to rebuild to the economy on the people who are dying. >> tucker: msnbc does not want you to think about the prosecutors in new york state looking into the sexual abuse of the network in one of the many things that you never think about. so they turn the entire hour on the weekends to an open race hate and spin of conspiracy theories and plots based on citizens based on their skin color. every week. >> here we are again. conservatives among a certain cohort of white guys now rooting themselves in the idea that even during a pandemic the screamingt men and women have the god-given right to get their roots done and ordered a steak at the restaurant and hit the golf course or the bar.

in those rights which they claim were conferred upon them by god require a disproportional a black and brown labor force to return and get back in the wheels and risk deaths in order to serve them. oh and return them to the comfortable lives. >> tucker: none of that is true, it's vicious. and they know it's not true, but this is not the point of the segments, and the point is to make us paranoid and divided. it's always the point, why are they doing this exactly? why did they do this? answers drawing tonight freelance journalist, thank you foso much for coming on. i see the theme that the media would very much like americans to be divided into categories that hate each other and why do you think they push that so often? >> look, i don't think there's anything wrong about being worried about inequality, and they are significantly worried about its and the problem taking one variable and using it to define the entire problem. we know that the death rate for

the coronavirus is twice as high for men than k women and it's nt a male virus w and we know that the account for over half a dozen many in america and the nursing home pandemic because the pandemic is hitting everybody. i think 7 out of 10 americans have died or outside the african-american community, and we're focusing their social concern and compassion on the public policy on everyone whether it's nebraska where they don't have access to government services or whether it's a young african-american person in the hospital or a young boy to person and every single person has it hasn't and no matter what the group is ape part of and i think cherry picking statistics to focus on those on one group at a time where they are divided and it also redirecting us from government officials who are failing on the job. tax cuts are going to rescue people here. >> tucker: wait, let me just interject, i agree so completely. they say they care about

inequality but the egg inequality is wrecking the country and they don't talk about that why is that? >> something about what don lemon said, we you, don lemon is a young healthy wealthy rich and famous person and not a meat packing worker living in a shack somewhere in nebraska. he shares the skin color that happens to be infected or have died and so do you and i. that's not the variable we need to be looking at and looking at the cause of the variables which is the thing that puts you at risk. we know for instance, that white have twoso or three risk that any h other group and doesn't mn we describe suicide as a white issue and we prescribe all those eissues as multiracial. >> tucker: exactly right, so smart. thank you for coming outgr toda. for the ninth, one last thing before, our stage manager in washington and all time favorite people. on saturday, he and his wife

molly welcomed their son raphael michael into the family and both mom and new boy are in great health. congratulations, nothing better. have a great evening, the great sean hannity now. >> sean: thank you. welcome to "hannity." what did barack obama know and when did he know it? we will unravel the biggest scandal in american history and it is more clear than ever before. that barack obama knew a lot. how much? we will dig deep tonight and also how involved was the former president in deep states? prosecutorial misconduct, unmasking, weaponizing intelligence all roads lead right into his oval office. and breaking just moments ago, acting dni director ric grenell now seeking to declassify in the obama officials involved in the illegal unmasking of general