have a great weekend, everybody. >> tucker: this is a fox news >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. just in moments ago come big changes could be coming to u.s. policy for the world health organization. the widely discredited world health organization. good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." administration will announce a major change in america's posture towardser w.h. we will have details for you, sorting through them right now and just a moment. butt. first, the country appears heto be splitting into two hemispheres even as we watch. places where i public officials are allowing the science to guide their decisions, states like that are cautiously beginning to relax theirir lockdown and finding no spike in illness as they do it. then there is the other half of the country, places you are glad you don't live right now.

in those places, power drunk politiciansig crow about science but resolutely ignore its findings and they don't care what the data says bared their decisions are driven by ambition, political calculation, and the pure animal joy of controlling other people's amlives. places like that are tightening their lockdown's even now. may be no place in the country represents the authoritarian approach more starkly than losap angeles does. l.a. county has more residents than new york city but while new york has had close to 200,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus, l.a. has had only about 35,000 in the whole county. the real figures are20 o certaiy much higher than that and that's what we find every time but that's the point, so few people in l.a. have died relatively speaking that we are not certain how manyat are infected. they are not sick enough to crowd hospitals, the city's health care system has never come close to collapsing. in los angeles, the curve is now

flat, and it has been for weeks. could reopen tomorrow and it should reopen, and it would if its leaders were following the science. but is not reopening, just the opposite is happening. everett garcetti has now extended the lockdown through the end of july, two and a half more months of it. law enforcement liberally to make sure his citizens obey his orders. a police say brought criminal charges against at least ask the nonessential businesses for the crime of going to work. in countless other businesses have shut forever and are not coming back. the citizens who remain stuck in los angeles are effectively hostages of the mayor. his demand that anyone that goes outside for any reason as the heat rises in l.a. must wear a mask.. goes without saying there is no science to back up this order or any of his so-called health decisions. in fact, it's possible that

requiring mass that side will not prevent a single person from being infected in los angeles. he doesn't care. anyone who disobeys this order will be punished. it is just the beginning of his the really bizarre restrictions. the more you know, the weirder it is. watch, for example, as he explains anyone who goes to the beach must make certain not to touch dry sand. wet sand is fine, dry sand is now illegal. >> beaches will open up this week for exercise and active recreation onlye in the wet sand i guess is a good way of thinking about it, not hanging out in tanning in the dry sand. >> tucker: what is the science behind this? once again,t there is none. this isn't a reasoned thoughtful policymaking. it is the expression of an autocrat who decided he must look tough by doing something or he won't get elected which is always been his primary goal.

is scary if you think about what this means. it means that america's second largest city has fallenle under the total control of a neurotic megalomaniac who is terrified of dry sand. eric garcetti's personal phobias are now law in los angeles. makes you think of the final days in romania ranting at his subjects from the podium imposing his strange obsessions on the helpless population. it would not be surprising that eric garcetti is a compulsive hand washer with a very strange personal life. guys like this are always the same once you scratch the surface. so how long will they have to live like this?? possibly forever, he announced this week. fullyve never been closed, will never be completely open until we have a cure, but i do believe we can take steps, but monitor those numbers,

tough calls. >> tucker: this can't go on, it is too crazy. you may mock los angeles and in some cases, it is deserved, some flaky people that live there, but there are also, also a lot of decent people in los angeles, millions of them. some of them understand where he is taking them and their city and they've had enough. a couple of days ago, a group of them came together. it's totally bipartisan, some of them well-known liberal democrats and some are concerned republicans and have been all their lives. th hothers are middle-class voters but one thing they all have in common is the dead certain knowledge that he is poison hurting their city and their family. allowing them to live on los angeles sidewalks that are over packed and if you've been there recently, you know. also tolerated flagrant corruption in his own administration. now he has shut the entire city down simply because he feels like it. this group of citizens is going to try and bounce everett garcetti from the mayor's office, and they can.

politicians can be recalled by voters. remember that california stated to their governor 17 years ago and it worked. recall petition requires 330,000 signatures, and that unfortunately is where eric garcetti has the advantage. thanks to his extended shelter-in-place orders, citizens are not allowed to gathersh the signatures. so the guise of public health, he has stopped his political opponents from opposing him. and he is not the only one.in you see this happen in michigan, new jersey, others. politicians around the country are doing this. as long as there is no vaccine for the wuhan coronavirus, they can remain in power unchallenged forever. it's nice for them. they are enjoying it. but in los angeles, he may have gone too far. the future of the city is at stake. the recall he forces are taking this issue to court trying to win the right to gather the signatures online.

it's important. but the bigger point is, these people are not passive. these are americans who understand what has been taken from them, and they are trying to get it back as they should. we are seeing this happen around the country. in new jersey for example, citizens are still banned from assembling to worship together as they choose. that's a direct violation of the first amendment of the u.s. constitution. we asked the governor about this when he came on our show and said he wasn't even thinking about the bill of rights when it comes to controlling the population. father kevin robinson is a priest in new jersey suing governor murphy to try to make this america again. joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on. so explain if you will the grounds on which you are suing the governor of new jersey. >> the first on the 14th amendment of the constitution

and the natural justice, the natural law that gives the people the right to worship god as he wishes to be worshiped, and it's just common sense that we should be able to worship god as he desires, and we need that worship of god. there are so many suicides prevented from the counseling and confession and the catholic sacraments. is a life-saving business that we are in. >> tucker: i think you're exactly right. i can tell by your accent that you probably didn't grow up in new jersey. you probably came from abroad. >> i came from australia, yes. >> tucker: you must have assumed because all the immigrants i think used to learn that this was a country governed by the bill of rights and the primary freedoms. freedom of speech, freedom of worship. were you surprised to see it taken away so quickly? i i >> so quickly. in march of this year, totally different from before, this country that i have adopted. i became a citizen two years ago, and the patron saint of our

society who 100 years ago gave great promise that responsible liberty of america will do great things for the glory of god. so i am proud to be an american. >> tucker: we are grateful to have you. what do your parishioners think of what you are doing? >> they are very pleased with the effort to try to bring somee little bit of holy pressure thae the governor will do the right thing and allow us to open up. i live in connecticut but drive to new jersey every weekend. and in connecticut and pennsylvania, we actually have 50 people allowed at masses. so from two, we now have six masses every sunday. keeping the sanitary situations and distancing and we have six instead of two masses and people are very grateful. we cannot do that in new jersey. there was a secret order that only ten people could gather,

and even then until he corrected that with this executive order number 142, even the ten people the police could come in interrupt and disperse, so completely unjust. >> tucker: as far as i know, there are no restrictions at all on abortion clinics in new jersey, how does that make you feel? >> there is one a few miles from our church. you can actually book in for a life ending procedure, and we are doing life-sustaining worship, counseling, and outreach to the community. >> tucker: i don't want to put you in an uncomfortable position asking this but i can't resist. we had governor murphy on the show when we asked him the obvious question, how can you shut down religious worship in a country and he said religious leaders in new jersey welcome to this, and i'm wondering why it's fall into you, and australian immigrant priest, to sound the

alarm, i don't want to make you uncomfortable, but what is this? >> i will give you a simple answer. we are a group of catholics under the pope through thehe superior general of our societies, so we are missionaries, and i've been to 25 countries, china included given traditional latin mass, we respect the local bishops, but we also know the limits of their jurisdiction just as the governor has the limits of his jurisdiction, so there is no other catholic priest in good standing in new jersey that a lawyer knows about, talkingri about christopher ferraro whose special counsel saw the society of st. thomas more society was taking on this cause. there is no other priest he could find who would be willing to do this and even offer a public mass if the bishops didn't want it. we are allowed because we are a missionary order. >> tucker: i'm that you areio standing up because americans have a constitutional right to worship their god, period.

thank you for standing up for that right in this country. >> i appreciate what you do for the country as well. your style and your content is wonderful. >> tucker: this is not a tough one, good to see you. >> god bless you, thank you for everything you do. >> tucker: president trump cut off funding from the united states to the world health organization last month. now we have an exclusive update just breaking on that story which we will bring you right after this break. one big fan of the world health organization of tedros is dr. tony fauci. does his praise square with what we now know? wasn't so long that he was praising him. we have the tape, you'll want to see it. we'll be right back. ♪

>> tucker: this is a f >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. the trump administration is on the brink of resuming u.s. funding for the world health organization. last month, they cut off u.s. funding that the president's direction. that amounts to about 400 million a year. they did this as the president explained becauseey the world health organization badly mishandled and lied about the coronavirus pandemic and of course is nauseatingly subservient to the government of china. but tonight this program has obtained a draft letter that would restore that funding. we arere told the president has agreed to sign the letter if he hasn't already. would be interesting to know who convinced him to do that. the letter says "despite its shortcomings, i believe the world health organization still has tremendous potential, and i want to see them live up to this

potential particularly now during this global crisis. that is why i have decided the united states will continue to partner and work with the world health organization and agreed to pay up to what china pays ant assessed contributions." so if this does happen, if the state department gets its way in the u.s. does match the contribution that china kicks in every year, we still won't have the influence that china has,. but we spend about one-tenth of what we were contribute in before. we will continue to follow the story. there are certainly many reasons that the president was deeplyta skeptical of the world health organization in the first place and stopped funding it. dr. tedros has verbally disgraced himself and his organization for years but particularly throughout this coronavirus epidemic. you remember the world health organization attacked travel restrictions, global restrictions as unnecessary and needless to say, racist.yo they then spread the chinese propaganda that theth virus coud not spread person to person.

that killed people. and now according to recent reports, took direct orders from thee government of china and delayed calling the virus a pandemic when it clearly was. and yet, there was one person who has a long always through thick and thin been a fervent fan of tedros, and that is dr. anthony fauci. >> so he is really an outstanding person, i've known him from the time he was the minister of health in ethiopia. obviously over the years, anyone who said they have not had problems has not been watching the w.h.o., but i think under his leadership, they've done very well.st he has been all over this. i was on the phone with him a few hours ago leading the w.h.o. call. >> tucker: doubtless, dr. fauci will be thrilled with tonight's news that we will continue to fund the world health organization but that time in ethiopia he is gushing on is when he was helping to cover up multiple called aboutut

-- cholera outbreaks for political reasons. not really what you want in the world health organization but that's whatoi we have. we are joined tonight by fox medical contributor dr. marc siegel to assess all of this. i don't want to seem like we are pounding disproportionately on anthony fauci who i just want to say it again seems like a very nice man and is trying, but what should we make of his praise for dr. tedros? that seems like a bit much. >> i think that tony fauci is a great virologist but i question his choice of friends and especially a friend who is a running an organization like the world health organization with awhat's happened here. on january 21st as you mention the other night, german intelligence reports that chairman xi called him and said delay warning the world. he was more evidence of that. on february 3rd. tedros, not a physician, by the way, praised after visiting beijing, he praised chairman she

is commitment to stopping this otbreak, and then on february 15th, he actually said at the munich securities conferences, said that the world health organization believes that china's attempts to controc this outbreak had about the world time, but the world time, which is what we really need right now, his time. so i have a message for president trump tonight, please don't sign anything that restores funding to the world health organization before there is a huge overhaul of the world health organization. i'm not talking about the worker bees. i'm not talking about the scientists, not talking about people that toil hard. i am talking about from the topm and i wanted to point to another top leader tonight, dr. wren is the assistant director of the w.h.o. and in case you don't know who he is, he is in charge sof communicable diseases. he was an official, a public health official for china for 30 years.

before moving to the w.h.o. yesterday, you tweeted he is very concerned about the mental health of the world. he is very concerned that we put a huge investment into the mental health of the world because of all the damage to our worldd psyche that this pandemic is going to do. so i agree with that, but i have a message for dr. wren as well. had the w.h.o. done what they were supposed to do, had we gotten the correct information, had tony fauci gotten the correct information, had the cdc known about this, had we been warned, maybe we wouldn't be dealing with the is ravages to physical and our mental health. >> tucker: that's exactly right. you make the point really clearly. wasn't simply that they were bad at their jobs are negligent or incompetent, they lied, and they imperiled our public health, the people in charge of guarding our public healthub made us sicker.

that's crazy. why would we give them money? >> i think they are thugs. we call them international villains, i think they should go before the world court. i think this is an unbelievable disgrace. the world health organization aided and abetted the spread of thisis virus around the world. t what was happening in the united states, china allowed this virus to spread to europe and onto the united states. this is a total disgrace. the president tried to stop travel from china. china got around it, trying to stop domestic travel, not international travel, and the w.h.o. aided and abetted them, cut off their funding, right move. >> tucker: he wanted to. there were people around him whose instincts are reliably bad as his are on target. mank you so much for that summation, really interesting. the people who do joe biden's thinking for him are outraged that he has been revealed to have asked for the unmasking of eamichael flynn. you shouldn't be allowed to know

that. and unmasking is totally fine, but it wasn't that long ago that joe biden was very upset about unmasking, and we found him on tape being upset about it. you're going to want to stay for that. plus, venice beach in california has finally reopened with restrictions. stay out of the dry sand, the mayor said. c here's a look at the beach via drone courtesy of kyle rothenberg. ♪ right now, it feels like the world standing still. but if you look to the land, it's a whole different story. from farms to backyards, wheels are turning. seeds are being planted. animals are getting fed. and grass is growing. and families are giving their all to the soil because no matter how uncertain things get, the land never stops. so to all those linked to the land, we say thank you.

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ask your veterinarian for apoquel. next to you, apoquel is a dog's best friend. >> tucker: it's like late night at the county fair, half the rides are broken, the weight guessers are catching a smoke behind the outhouse. that's the joe biden presidential campaign. it's broken, but it just keeps going. during a a town hall last night, biden somehow confuse the k coronavirus death toll with the number of jobs lost over it. here's a hint, those are very different numbers. >> this is not a moment for excuses or deflections or blame games. we are in the middle of a pandemic that has cost us more than 85,000 jobs as of today. lives of millions of people. millions of jobs. >> tucker: millions have died.

you don't want to be too judgmental. he is not a math guy, most of us aren't math people either. it's embarrassing, but how bad is it? it would be far worse if he tried to hold a conversation with a prerecorded video. tt wait, that happened yesterday. >> let's listen to this. okay. >> thank you so much for allowing me to participate in this town hall with you. >> thank you. >> that you always recite. >> tucker: pretty embarrassing, but both of those tapes may be less cringeworthy thenof when biden began suckingp to the woman who was openly demanded that she become vice president, stacy abrams. >> stacy abrams has done more to deal with making sure there is a fair vote than anybody, and she has a great capacity to explain things. stacy knows what she's doing,

and she is an incredibly capable person. >> tucker: really? what does stacy abrams do for a living? weird. a democratic attorney who has been watching this unfold very closely and we are happy to have him on tonight. thank you so much for coming on. i don't want to be mean. and like a lot of people, i certainly don't hate joe biden and i feel bad for him. he is where a lot of us will be in late middle age. can f this continue? >> joe biden is running a full-fledged presidential campaign in a way that no candidate has ever had to do it in the history of this country from his home for a nationwide campaign. and so the fact he is doing video calls 12 and 15 hours a day while he is speaking with voters, eventually you were going to say something by mistake. i don't think it's as big of an issue that people are trying to turn it into. you do all these talking and everybody who is now working

from home almost eight hours of skype calls a day, you're going to have a couple of slipups. >> tucker: you know as well as i do that the people around biden really worry about his cognitive plan, that seems pretty obvious but you are making a fair point that will voters care? i'm not convinced they will care so maybeha you're right, but the rest of us should care and we should care about who the vice president is because clearly he is likely not to survive a full term if he is elected. so who should he pick? is he really going to pick stacy abrams? >> i doubt it will be stacy abrams. i think he has a very strong roster of democrats around theil country and what we are seeing in most elections is regardless of who is the front runner is who was a dark horse. not many people picked mike pence,ne nobody saw tim kae as hillary clinton's vice presidential running mate in that campaign, so ila think joe biden is going to pick who is geographically distinct from

him and can help them with swing states and who has executive leadership experience because as you said at his ageer and with other issues, you want somebody who can step in and has experience running large organizations and somebody else who has been able to carry the campaign message into the media as an effective surrogate. so someone like the mayor of atlanta is a strong dark horse candidate because she has experience of running a major city through this coronavirus pandemic, she fits geographical as georgia is becoming a swing state now trending purple if not light blue, i think that would be a great choice. >> tucker: i know a lot of people in atlanta. i don't know a single person who thinks she's a good mayor. is she a good mayor? i don't think she is. >> if you look at the way she has stewarded the city through the coronavirus outbreak in which he came into with the deficits of the city and

balancing budgets, dealing with crime in the city, she is a very effective surrogate for the binding campaign and is already a national figure and comes out is that dark horse candidatete o isn't running above the way. the issue you're going to have with the abrams camp is that nobody really knows what she is doing governmentally wise in the last seven or eight years. you want someone who can step in on day one, someone who has aan clear executive experience. also in georgia, the main thingh people are talking about is the ahmaud arbery killing and we haven't seen her on the ground there. many of these organizations have been working to get the justice department to launch a federal investigation into it as a hate crime. we need those national voices so instead of going on the view and going on oprah, we need to be on the ground and advocating for news in those communities. that'som what sets you apart and no matter how many, we want to see you on the ground. >> tucker: i bet if you paid her a lot, she would. maybe she should consider that,

get stacy abrams gainfully employed, just throwing that out there. thank you so much, great to see you. joe biden's campaign is outraged tonight, earlier this week, the show and others reported that during his last days as president, biden requested the unmasking of michael flynn'ss name. there is no obvious legitimate reason for biden doing that. he was deleting any kind of investigation or interpreting intelligence. in fact, he was leaving in eight days. was clearly a political move, eand that's wrong if not illeg. there's another explanation for what biden did, we would like to hear it. biden is not interested in telling us anything about this. instead, any story on the subject as dishonest media manipulation. in other words, exactly the kind of thing that should be banned by social media and likely will be if joe biden is ever elected president. what's amazing and what tells you everything is that so many inve the media agree with joe biden's flack and with the biden campaign.

there's nothing to see here. unmasking is routine, it's important, it's no big deal. you might ask if it's no big deal, then why are the names of americans caught up in foreign surveillance c hidden from publc view by law? be quiet, they tell us, no more questions. what is interesting and this probably won't surprise you is that these very same people very much including joe biden once had the opposite view of unmasking. ,5 years ago, they were fighting to oppose john bolton's nomination as the united nations ambassador, good reasons to oppose that, bolton is a wild eyed neocon. his opponents never said that, they are warmongers themselves. so instead they attacked bolton, and we are not joking, for t w unmasking. as secretary of state for arms control and international security, john bolton made a total of ten unmasking requests over a four year period. ten requests in four years. to give this some context, the u.n. ambassador susan rice made

seven unmasking requests in less than two months just for michael flynn's name. god knows how many others she unmasked. we still don't know the answers to that. backow in 2005, "the new york times" called any unmasking at all unusual and argue that john bolton should be disqualified because he had done it. meanwhile, the same man who unmasked michael flynn's name for political reasons had this to say about john bolton's crimes. >> i'm more concerned about the failure to receive information regarding mr. bohn's request for nsa information and to identify u.s. persons that he wanted to know in those intersects. >> tucker: it is just wrong what he did. unmasking an american citizen in a foreign surveillance transcript is just wrong, but biden had a solution in a way to make it all better. more transparency. >> it has been alleged as i said that mr. bolton has been spying

on rivals within the bureaucracg both inferior and superior to him. while i doubt this as i've said publicly before, we have a duty to be sure that he did not misuse this.ou >> tucker: oh, he was spying on people by unmasking their names.on notice as you watch tape of joe biden just from 15 years ago, completely different man unfortunately.d let us be on the record that we agree with the 2005 version of joe biden on this question. let's see the documents. now, release all the unmasking requests the obama administration made against mike flynn and others, do it tomorrow, and show us what they said. what was the pretext under which they requested to see the names. if it was as a routine has we are being told, then there's nothing to hide obviously. former federal prosecutor joins us tonight. so you are hearing again and again unmasking is no big deal and if you ask too many questions, some creepy former

intel official now being paid by msnbc will shout about you about how you're imperiling national security.ti do you think it's no big deal? >> it's not no big deal and i welcome him shouting at me. i would love to be on and tell s him the truth of the matter which is something that he should know himself as a former intel official, and that is how unusual, maybe even unprecedented it is for the vice president of an outgoing administration eight days before the inauguration of the incoming administration of the opposite party to request unmasking the incoming national security advisor when he is not a normal intel official. he is not the one who is doing the wiretap, he is not the onene who is reviewing the transcript, he is not writing the summary, not giving the briefing, he is receiving the briefing. those that are briefing him think that it's important that he is the ultimate consumer, the

vice president somehow knows the context of the conversation that is who's talking to this for an who was intercepted, and not intelligence official can be unmasked and give that information to the vice president. this is incredibly dangerous. >> tucker: i couldn't agree with you more. and i should say a second ago, u.n. ambassador susan rice, of course i met samantha power because it's even more outrageous, at least had a plausible reason to unmasked. i would a u.n. ambassador need to unmask the identity of an american citizen in an intel transcript? >> again, these intelligence agencies provide briefings to all of these ultimate consumers including potentially the u.n. ambassador who is conducting the nation's diplomacy so she can be expected to need to know what it is they are thinking or what are the russians talking about as they go in c to negotiate some u.n. resolution or other. but that doesn't mean she needs to unmask it. she asked her briefer's for

context, and they provided. this is all incredibly unusual, and it is a nothing standard and i agree with the 2005 joe biden myself. >> tucker: i liked him better, more coherent, more reasonable. thank you so much for that context, we appreciate it. we don't want to give you the impression that the world health organization is the only organization sucking up to the chinese government. taxpayer-funded u.s. television pbs isis doing it too. we will have details after the break. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: america has given billions of dollars to the world health organization and in return we get a reliable chinese puppet.

it is offensive but not an exception. turns out it's a trend. give hundreds of millions every year to pbs stations, public broadcast system stations. now as america's economy is being crushed by a virus that china hid from the world, manya of those stations are literally airing chinese government propaganda. the movie "voices from the front line, china's war on poverty" was coproduced by pps socal and the chinese media outlets owned by the communist party of china. the hour-long film never mentioned that it is in effect chinese government propaganda. it goes on to praise the chinese government and in particular it's ever wise dictator. "president xi jinping, ending poverty is his most important task," the film gushes. you are paying for this garbage as the country goes broke. why? meanwhile, the nba and nike have back from last year's hong kong fiasco in which they were scolded for defending

pro-democracy demonstrations. another once again firmly tethered to china. the chinese government. nike is releasing a new sneaker that pays homage to the city of beijing. hard to believe, but true. a hollywood executive, and author of "feeding the dragon, inside the trillion dollar dilemma facing hollywood." the dilemma being how much chinese propaganda you put in films. thank you so much for coming on. is there any limit, i wonder -- let me rephrase the question. after knowing what we know about where this pandemic came from and the lying that abetted it spread by the chinese government, can big companies in the u.s. continue to serve the chinese government in the way they have? >> the short answer to that is no, there needs to be a reset in the way the u.s. companies work with china and that's obviouslyna something we are starting to look at as a country moving forward. in fact, talking to one of the house reps involved with the

china task force this week, and it's obviously a major initiative moving into election season here to try to figure this out. you bring up the pbs situation, i think one simple potential solution to that because i don't have an issue necessarily with pbs taking money from china. what i do have an issue with is the nondisclosure of who was involved with the content that's on pbs, and cgt end, in 2016, they rebranded the cctv global network that reaches outside of china's boundaries to cc tn. the doj then labeled it a foreign agent. when a foreign agent is involved in coproducing content, we should somehow disclose that to consumers here in the united states the same way we wouldeh with some sort of thing that looks like an actual article in "the new yorkwo time" but it says paid advertisement at the top.

if we did something like that, at least consumers could watch that content with a much cleare understanding of what angle is coming at them in that content. >> tucker: so russia cable network tv, paid for by the russian government had to register under the foreign government act, or they go to jail. why shouldn't pbs which is taking chinese government money have to do the same? >> pbs is not working for the ccp. it is a part of the cctv broadcast networks which are in china underneath what used to be the state administration or radio film and television, but it's directly under the ministry of propaganda which reports the standing committee of the ccp. when you look at that type of control coming out of that country, it's obvious why that is considered a foreign agent, and that is where pbs needs to differentiate itself.

it needs to say hey look, we support the noncensorshipnd of content here in the united states, and we are going to provide a platform for this content to be aired, but we are letting you, the watcher, the viewer of our program know that this is a foreign agent coproduced program, so it will have angles that you need to be cognizant of. >> tucker: i don't know why the u.s. government is a tv channel anyway. i used to work there, and i never understood that. >> the voa? >> tucker: i used to work. at pbs, butoa i never understood wy the government would be paying for it, and i still don't. but thank you so much for coming on tonight, appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: golf courses were close for an awful long time in massachusetts. a sportswriter in the state says those closers were not about public health, they were about fighting white privilege. he joins us next. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: you think golf would be the perfect sport for a pandemic. it's played outdoors. there is no physical contact. by necessity, players stay apart. in the state of massachusetts, the commonwealth golf courses stay closed for almost two months. whyar is that? why did the government demand that? m there is no science behind it. instead, he didn't like the kind of people who played golf and didn't think their concerns enttered. he said that.

but as a sports editor of the eagle tribune overer massachusetts, he campaigned to open golf courses in the state and was attacked for doing so. he joins us and we are happy to have him. thank you so much for coming on. just to get the science out of the way really quick, what was the reason that charlie baker, the governor closed golf courses? >> that was part of the problem. we never really got a reason. for me it was about a month of the pandemic and we get a lot of courses in massachusetts. in fact, 1913, the golf started here when a caddie won the u.s. open and you know, golf took off. we have all these courses in our area and i'm told by a couple of them and they look beautiful shape so it struck me, look, we are doing our share, staying home, wearing ourd masks and about 30 other states have already opened and so it piqued my interest. i called a bunch of courses and

they said the same thing. this is stupid. we should be open. the courses have never beend in better shape. they said another thing, you can't print that. i said why? we don't want to tick off the governor. we think he will let us play soon so their hands are tied. myhi hands weren't so i wrote a story. i wrote a couple of stories and one was a date coming up, a date that they were talking about opening some things up in the state, central business so imymy said hey, let us play golf. we are adults and people want to have fun, get out of the house. you know what, i got ripped for it. >> tucker: it is so interesting and i follow this because it was such a great case study. you were ripped for your white privilege, another white, richch guy wanting to play and minute long summary of how you responded to that, if you would. >> look, i have covered the papers for 20 years and i've been in the business 35 years. i can take criticism.

when people are calling me white rich, privileged man, that got to me so i basically told my story and briefly my dad grew up in landmass with 1 of 6 kids with a triple-decker and a caddie of a local course. and so five, six, seven years later, he marries my mother and they have seven kids in eight years. i'm the first one of eight kids, seven kids. and golf, we are connected with. we were golfing as a kid, used clubs, and i go caddie like him. i would caddie for six or seven hours, and guess what, you caddie on mondays, you play for free. that was a dad that spent ten hours during the summer. when people say privileged, that ticked me off. i wrote a story and it's that i will tell you my story. it has nothing to do with privilege, and i don't want you to judge me. you don't want me to judge you, don't judge me. >> tucker: what kind of reaction -- it was a great story, and i hope the viewers will look it up, butiv what kind

of reaction did you get to that? >> over the top, like i said, i've been writing for the paper 20 years, super bowls, pretty good stories, i think.k. this story touched a nerve and probably the most overwhelming support i've ever had.ls people send emails and they basically have to go with the computer, read the email and get it right. i have over 100 emails, which is a lot for this but closer to 150. and all of the same stories, bill, my story's like yours. i'm a regular guy that likes to golf. i have no money and my uncle louie gave me his clubs and one was a lefty. i have these great stories. it hit me. i'm not saying i am right, but i know this issue. what happened was this issue was sreally not real in why the course was closed. lo and behold, the governor has an advisory board and we are finding out on the advisory board, i'm not sure but i think it's 100%, 100% democrats are on this advisory board.

>> tucker: bigotry. you pointed it out. i wish we had more time. i appreciate you coming on tonight. good for you for b being on. tethank you. that time, jason chaffetz in for "hannity". ♪ >> jason: welcome to this special edition of "hannity," i am jason chaffetz in for sean. tonight we start on capitol hill where house speaker nancy pelosi is about to run through a $3 trillion liberal wish list filled with proposals that are totally unrelated to covid-19. the bill is so blatantly partisan and toxic that some democrats are coming out against it. democratic congresswoman kendra horn from oklahoma wrote, "this is not the time for partisan gamesmanship." democratic representative abigail sandberger from virginia tweeted "this bill stands far