greg: thanks to charlie hirt, john rich, cat tenth entire 's on fox news channel. i will see you tomorrow. jesse: welcome to waters world. -- welcome to "watters world." i'm jesse watters. governors better start lifting these lockdowns. people aren't going to take it anymore. there's a rebellion brewing. remember how the tea party got started? the battle cry over the bailouts, rick santelli from the floor of the stock exchange. >> this is america, how many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills. raise their hand. how about we all -- president obama, are you listening? >> the same energy's out there today. you can feel it.

here's dave portnoy, bar stool sports not a political guy putting into words the way you feel. >> when did this become flatten the curve, flatten the curve, flatten the curve to we have to find a cure or everyone's going to die. like fauci, seems like a nice enough dude. no agenda. looks like he could be maybe the grand father in wedding crashers. we reopen the country too quick, everybody is dead. people who have jobs to put food on their table to have a happy living, they are going to wake up whenever this thing ends, whenever the mayors say you can go back to work? work for what? your company is going to be out of business. the economy is [ bleep ]. there's going to be no jobs. there's risk. we're americans. you have to take risk. if people want to go out, they can go out. if they want to stay in, they stay in. we've done what you said. you can't just midstream just kidding, flatten the curve, what? we have no chance if you don't

let people go outside. this country is going to be done. nobody is going to have jobs or businesses. it is going to be done. it is over. let me roll the dice and play with corona or at least give me the choice, there's all we -- that's all we want. >> we flattened the curve, the deadliest day in america was over three weeks ago. there's hospital beds galore. we have a billion masks. more ventilators than we know what to do with. we're sending them to india. the plan was to lock it down and buy time. well, we bought the time. and it cost us everything. and now they are saying nope, nope, time is not up yet. yeah, it is. you can't force us to commit economic suicide. we sacrifice everything to protect the sick and elderly, but now we can't protect ourselves? americans are getting angry. here's my man vick. >> you told us to shut down non-essential businesses. you told us to go home and

quarantine. you told us we have to keep social distance and stay inside. but you told us you would help. so where is the [ bleep ] help? these checks are what they are. i mean, let's be serious. i'm not going to turn away 1200 bucks because number one if you are going to give it to me, i'm taking it. number two, it is our money, not yours, it is ours we paid that in taxes for everything we do every [ bleep ] day! i'm not saying to wipe the slate clean. i'm saying to add the missing mortgage payments on the back of everybody's loans, do it for everything. the credit card payment is now three months longer. the mortgage payment is now three months longer. you want to help the american worker, you could eliminate all payments due until this is over. that way unemployment and stimulus checks would only be needed for food. that's what the american family needs now. that would help us! jesse: the 1200 isn't going to cut it. that was supposed to last a month, which it wouldn't anyway. now we're two months in, and

governors are tacking on another month? states that already flattened the curve, this is easy math. even i can do it. and if you try to survive, the government squeezes the life out of you. politicians are telling people to snitch on small businesses, just for opening up. the l.a. mayor is threatening to shut off the power and water to small businesses who open up. women are getting arrested for cutting hair. people are getting pulled over, fined for going to church. for being on a beach or a playground. politicians are ordering police to do this. a seattle officer greg anderson has a message for those officers. >> we need to start looking at ourselves as officers and thinking is what i'm doing right? i want to remind you that regardless of where you stand on the coronavirus, we don't have the authority to do those things to people, just because a mayor or a governor tells you otherwise. these officers that are going

out here and enforcing these tyrannical orders, what they are doing is they're making my job and my safety -- they are putting my job and my safety at risk because what you are doing is you're widening the gap between public trust and law enforcement officers. i'm afraid that these actions are going to wake a sleeping giant, ie, the american people. okay? they are going to be put in a position where they won't have their rights trampled anymore. >> think about it. our government rests on this principle, ready? the consent of the governed. that's where our government gets its power. in march, we agreed to lock down. we didn't obey an order. we're not peasants. the government can't lock us down day after day after day. we don't consent. you can't trample our rights with no end in sight. we have rights that we get from above. and when the government destroys these rights, we have the right

to change that government or abolish it. that's in a declaration of independence. the american media should understand this freedom more than anyone. but they don't. the press loves the lockdowns. they attack protesters. they attack states that open. when a brave business, the ufc and their partner endeavor put on a fight the other day with testing with sanitizing and no crowd, the "new york times" writes a piece that reads ufc's coronavirus, its enforcement has been spotty. and the story was filled with fake news, all negative. ufc president dana white was asked about it. >> an article in the "new york times" today that was very critical of the execution -- >> [ bleep ] that guy. this guy who in this paper covered the ufc when they had never covered it before. what do you think happened? i don't give a [ bleep ] what

that guy thinks what he has to say or what he writes. good for him. he's pulling good traffic. >> are you not worried -- >> i don't give a [ bleep ]. >> fair enough. jesse: sorry for all the language tonight, but this is real. the country hates the media because the media hates the country. watch what happened when a local news reporter covered a lockdown protest in long island. >> you keep airing cuomo briefings. go home. you are fake news. >> you are the enemy of the people! >> you are fake news. we know you want to keep your job. we get it. you are not getting advertising dollars in right now. >> you are not going to answer? you are just going to go live. other people are not getting paychecks. >> that's why we're here. >> i don't know what happened to you. jesse: we want people to keep

their hands to themselves. stay clean. stay safe. do the distance thing, if you can, and be polite of course because that makes your mom happy, but most of the country's had it. the media can't see this because they don't want to. the government better take a close look at what's going on. that's it. okay? now for the lead story tonight, fresh details about the coronavirus and why america needs to listen. we don't know a lot about the virus in the beginning because china destroyed their lab samples and lied about it. we still can't get into that country and figure out how it all started. but we learn from europe and then more once it hit here. the data's in. and it's better than we thought. but brain dead politicians won't look at new data. they ignore the facts to keep us locked down. they are either scared, dumb or have a political agenda. so dr. scott atlas here tonight, the former chief of neuroradiology at stanford university medical center, and

he's a senior fellow at the hoover institution, and he's going to tell us the five key facts about corona that will lift this lockdown. all right, doctor, you have the first key fact, the overwhelming majority of people don't have any significant risk of dying from covid-19. tell us more about that. >> the lockdown is really against all evidence and frankly common sense. the first fact is that the data shows that the fatality rate is far less, probably 1/10 or even lower than what was originally estimated. and that data comes from all over the world and all over the united states, and in fact, there's something even more striking about it, the fatality rate is very very low, extremely low, if you're under 60, and that is new data really that's just come in from all over europe, on good studies. in fact, the reality is, and you get shamed for saying it, for people under 60, the fatality

rate is less than or equal to the common flu. the second fact really is that we know who to protect. and this is really critical because this is a serious illness, and it is very dangerous for certain people, older people, particularly those with chronic diseases, like specifically diabetes, kidney failure, heart failure, and other immuno compromised people. that fact by the way is not new knowledge. that's something that every medical student in the country would have known from day one because that's the same group that gets a really bad illness from other viral respiratory infections, but be that as it may, we see that our politicians have not put in place the obvious restrictions on who to protect, that is, people in nursing homes who by definition have underlying diseases and are old, and we're seeing in some states more than half, sometimes up to 80% of deaths in nursing homes. this is really inexcusable lack

of common sense in basic public policy. okay, the third fact -- jesse: yeah, that was a total catastrophe in new york, new jersey, and pennsylvania, it just hasn't really been covered. the third thing is you talk about immunity. tell us about population immunity. >> sure. well, i mean, by isolating every single person and avoiding all human contact, you have literally prevented the best mechanism to establish population immunity because when we get infected with the virus like this, we generate antibodies, and those antibodies are protective. what happens when low risk groups which 99% of people by the way have no significant problem when infected, 99%, including 50% with no symptoms whatsoever, when you get immunity and low risk groups infect each other, there's a blockage of sort of the pathways to the vulnerable. this is called herd immunity. and we have already proven that that's been interfered with by

testing people to see how many people have antibodies. it is very low even though the disease is highly contagious. if you don't believe in herd immunity, by the way, then you would never believe in any vaccine because vaccinations are given with that specific reason, to establish antibodies in people and establish population immunity. jesse: that's right. you also mention in fact four that a lot of people are dying because they're not going to the hospital to get the medical care they need for things other than covid-19. that's hugely underreported. >> this is really critical. the policy itself is killing people. the policy of lockdown and total isolation has impaired and stopped most medical care. 150,000 new cases of cancer every month in the u.s. occur and are not making those diagnoses. two thirds of people who have a cancer screening test aren't getting it. half of people on chemotherapy

aren't going in. acute heart attacks and strokes are not calling for emergency help, and they are dying. and the worst of all ironies is that two thirds of immunizations in california, this is the data, two thirds of childhood immunizations are being skipped. we are creating a massive catastrophe in healthcare and killing people by this very policy. jesse: i mean, it's just unbelievable how the politicians don't look at the new data and make different decisions. i understand the initial social mitigation, but after the data comes in, you've got to move, lastly, fact five, i mean, we know who to protect. this should have been targeted towards the elderly, towards the sick, and then that should have been the policy. i will give you the last word. >> that's exactly what to do now, is we strictly isolate and protect the people in the nursing homes with required testing. we do some prioritized testing that is necessary to make sure that hospitals don't continue infections. and we tell mildly ill people to

isolate, and we open schools. we open businesses and offices and restaurants, with the necessary hygiene and sanitization standards and warnings in place, but society must function. the cure here is worse than the original disease at this point. jesse: all right, dr. atlas, i hope every governor is watching "watters world" tonight and gets to hear these five key facts. thank you very much for coming in and sharing your expertise. we really appreciate it. >> okay, thanks. jesse: coming up, mark levin, laura ingraham, and rand paul on obama gate, big new developments, big show tonight. stay here. food...we think about it all the time. but for many americans, it's a scary thought. during this crisis, 1 in 12 seniors and 1 in 7 children don't have access to nutritious food. we can all help. get involved at feedingamerica.org

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a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy, and as much as i respect you, dr. fauci, i don't think you are the end all. i don't think you are the one person who gets to make a decision. >> i have never made myself out to be the end all, only voice in this. i'm a scientist, a physician and a public health official. i give advice according to the best scientific evidence. jesse: senator paul thanks for joining "watters world." that confrontation i guess you could call it with dr. fauci at

the hearing made a lot of waves across the country. how did you think his response to you was? >> now, jesse, you live in new york, that's not a confrontation. that was a friendly chat, all right? here's the thing is everybody says these scientists want to base things on facts, and so i simply pointed out a fact, if we're going to keep schools closed, shouldn't we at least discuss what the mortality for children is? the mortality for children 0 to 18 is virtually zero. it is not exactly zero, but it is close to zero. it is .0001%. it is very very small. and this virus is very deadly for the elderly and for those who are in nursing homes, but it actually is not deadly at all for those who are young. we should get them back to school, and we should have a debate over this. look, this is so bad that i know people in my state that are going to send their kids to grandparents in other states because our idiot governor doesn't want to open the schools. that's what's going to happen is ultimately people are going to

move to venues or send kids or even buy, you know, rent an apartment in a state that does not have a draconian shutdown of the schools. that's what this is going to come to. jesse: you are also going to see moms across the country take to the streets. you don't want millions of angry moms mobbing the country. [laughter] >> right. jesse: this unmasking situation, it is kind of something that everybody didn't really know how deep it went, but now it looks like it just happens like 10,000 times a year, but what looks really sinister is that it looks like flynn wasn't just unmasked -- it looks like he was targeted to be unmasked. >> right. jesse: it looks like political espionage. what can you do about that? >> well, i think you have hit the nail on the head. this unmasking process, it's about bad actors. we had bad actors, joe biden and

the inner circle of obama i think snooping for political dirt and trying to damage their political opponent, but it is worse than that. unmasking is so rampant that it is done by the thousands by all administrations, but it's a back door way around the constitution. if the government wants to listen to your phone calls or my phone calls, the constitution says they have to have probable cause that we committed a crime. they have to take our name and the reasons to a judge, and they have to present that and then i'm allowed to have a lawyer at the opposite side, maybe not exactly at the beginning to have eavesdropping but at some point in time i can protest it. in these secret courts, there's no protesting. no one tells you they have listened to your phone calls. it is an end-run around the constitution, and there's every possibility that they began listening to people in order to try to listen to general flynn, that maybe he wasn't incidental at all, that they were trying to listen to people in order to get back to him. but to have two dozen obama administrations unmask him, i mean, this is crazy, and we have

to have reform the unmasking, not only get rid of bad people in government who misuse government, we need to reform the processes so many of these easy way of listening to phone calls we don't snatch up americans in this. jesse: do you think they wanted to get flynn fired because once he got in there in the national security advisor role, he could sniff out all of the dirty things they've been doing before the campaign? >> he'd been involved with defense intelligence. he knew his way around this world. yes, i think that. but i think also there was this malevolence of the clinton campaign and the obama people, and this hatred of this idea that she lost because they felt that she deserved the presidency, and it was just unfair. but they were going to take him down, and they were going to use these powers. there's a twofold issue and explanation that we need to all understand. it's not just about bad people in government. it is about allowing the power too much power in government to investigate private conversations.

a lot of people talk to the ambassadors from other countries. that doesn't mean that you can listen to every senator or congressman or journalist who talks to a foreigner just by tapping into the foreigner you are allowed to listen to the american. what i've been saying all along is we need to get americans out of this world of spy dome. if you want to investigate or listen to an american, you should go to a regular court, a constitutional court and you should ask a judge for permission. they had no permission to listen to flynn's conversation. jesse: they fabricated evidence in the fisa court and that was rubber stamped. i think either way you cut it it looks like abuse is power ironically what they impeached the president for. i would like to know if your name was ever unmasked and if your senate colleagues. i would like to know if jared kushner -- i mean, this is just a three-month period during the transition that they zeroed in on this incoming administration. i would like to see the last couple of years. >> i was asking about this two years ago, and i was asking

people in the senate on the intel committee what about this? what about this? and they said oh, we looked at all of it. all of it was on the up and up. and all of it was fine. it is not on the up and up to have 16 members including the vice president unmasking the private phone call of a trump administration, new trump administration official talking to an ambassador? so you're supposed to allege a national security reason. what were the reasons? so if the journalist on the left who get to interview joe biden, because i don't think he's coming on fox news any time soon, but if the journalists on the left were worth their salt, they would ask joe biden what was the national security reason that you unmasked flynn? they should ask clapper that. but then again, clapper's a notorious liar, so he will probably simply lie to them. you know, clapper was the one who lied about the bulk collection of all our phone records. on the senate, in a senate committee, under oath clapper said we're not doing it. a month later edward snowden revealed that yes they were collecting millions and millions of information on our phone

calls. jesse: this is a pattern with the obama administration. they spied on the ap. they spied on the senate. they spied on a fox news reporter and it looks like they spied on the entire trump campaign. senator paul, why don't you have one of your friendly conversations with some of these people behind the scenes? thanks for coming on "watters worl world". >> thanks, jesse. jesse: up next, why do liberals keep breaking laws and lying about it? are they sociopathic? laura ingraham analyzes. a major development in the dnc server that was hacked, or was it? you're not going to believe what we found out.

jesse: we caught the democrats

red handed, cheated in 2016 and tried to steal your vote ever since. there was never collusion and they knew it. but mike flynn is still getting shafted. the democrats play dirty, and it is not going to stop. it will go into the next election and after. this is the new age of modern political warfare, using national security powers for political espionage. everyone's in on it. the deep state destroys you with political prosecutors. it's all done in the dark, so the public can't see it. then they link it to media and it looks legit. republicans get slammed with spice, wiretaps and leaks without any evidence -- slammed with spies, wiretaps and leaks without any evidence, and they tell you it is routine. they tell you it is about protecting the country, it is not about that or ever been about that. it is about protecting their power. the democrats got away with investigating republicans and charging them with all these crimes. these are wicked tactics.

midnight raids, solitary confinement, bankrupting three star generals, rigged juries, s.w.a.t. teams, doctored evidence and foreign spies. they raided the president's lawyer's office. think about that. and they still found nothing on russia. trump made a phone call and all hell broke loose. could you imagine if he spied on biden's campaign and locked up his advisors? i mean, you just can't trust these people with power. biden says he knows nothing about any of it. that's another lie because he unmasked mike flynn himself. joining me now the host of the ingraham angle laura ingraham. i think these people are soc sociopaths and i don't know what we're going to do stop them besides beat them because they are just so ruthless. i mean, how do you deal with these people, laura? >> yeah, jesse, i think when you go back and you remember how absolutely floored the democrats

were after trump won the november 2016. i mean, they had the fireworks ready for hillary. they had chosen basically her entire cabinet, and so they were just -- by what happened. when you look at the unmasking requests, and we don't have the actual request which i would really like to see, but the sheer number of requests, all together i believe 50 requests, 39 officials across governments. some of them were, you know, legitimate intel people, but most of them were just partisans. they were obviously looking for the second installment of the insurance policy, to try to do something to counter what they knew was coming, which was someone is going to drain the swamp, and someone who is probably going to find out what they were up to the previous eight years, which was not a whole lot of good. jesse: right. so they had to take a matter or else you would finger them for

all the crimes they committed during the campaign. do you think it goes back farther than that? i'm just wondering, remember the birth certificate thing with trump and obama? i mean i feel like it is personal. i think you are right, i think they had a mid life crisis when he won because they all thought they were going to get jobs and supreme court picks, and it was going to be a third obama term, and they couldn't come to grips with it, so they lost their minds and broke the law. >> yeah, i think it is a little bit of both. i think you're right to point out the personal aspect of this. remember, president obama is used to getting worshipped. he was worshipped at harvard law school. he was treated like, you know, the second coming, as a first term senator. he gives one speech at the dnc in 2004 about red state, blue state, then he ends up being one of the most polarizing forces in american politics over his eight years. so he doesn't -- even though he's a cool cat, and he's a smart guy, he doesn't like to be questioned. i mean, i guess no one who is president really likes to be

questioned, but he really doesn't like to be questioned, and trump got under his skin, big-time. and i think he -- they all knew trump was going to expose him. they just knew it. and they couldn't let that happen, or at least they they could blunt the force, and so that's what the political ambush in motion. jesse: i'm wondering now, you talked about barack obama, what does this do to his legacy because right now, you know, domestically you've got obama care, that's getting its, you know, thing ripped out, you have the iran deal, that's also ripped to shreds, and now you have this horrible, horrible espionage scandal, you know, looking back on this 50, 100 years from now, this is not going to be a president that's seen as a great president. this is a pretty scandalized feckless guy, if you look at the policy. >> right. i think when you think about today's historians, they're all pretty much left wingers,

there's not many historians who we can really count on to be objective, so who knows what will happen in 50 years, but i do say this, jesse, if in november trump after this, you know, horrific pandemic and all the carnage, economic carnage, human losses, all of it we've seen, if he manages to beat them again, then i mean they will still be around, but that will be a decapitation of progressivism and frankly another repudiation of the obama legacy. they don't -- so now they have a third bite of the apple right now. i think they have some head winds, but i don't think so. jesse: well, i mean, i'm scared to see what happens when they lose, if they lose, when they lose, but that will be scary. laura, thank you very much. >> great to see you. jesse: always appreciate it. >> absolutely. jesse: did the russians really

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hates flynn. he called him a traitor in court, totally biased. this week judge sullivan appoints another judge and asks this other judge to help him sentence an innocent man. think about that. it is against the law. and get this, this new judge, who sullivan tapped, hates bill barr, on the record. this new judge gleeson used to work with andrew weissman, mueller's dirtiest prosecutor, and his law firm, mrs. resistance, remember her? basically forcing trump to pardon flynn. they can't take the loss. they will do whatever it takes to make the flynn case legit because it's the last pillar holding up this entire hoax. "watters world" found something even more corrupt. watch this. mike flynn's original defense attorneys, the guys who were supposed to have his back, were in on the hoax also. covington and burling did a horrible job representing flynn. they never even asked

prosecutors to see the key documents. they billed flynn 6 million dollars just to plead guilty to a hoax. they didn't even put up a fight. we found out why. it's eric holder's law firm. we checked into holder's firm. they donated over $100,000 to biden this cycle. 35,000 for democrats to retake the house. it's a democrat firm, donating to liz warren, mayor pete, it goes on and on. finally he fired these crooked lawyers and this new lawyer fought like hell to get the goods to get him off. this whole thing stinks. this isn't america. we're not going to let it happen. joining me now, the host of "life, liberty and levin", mark levin. how corrupt is this? >> jesse, it is very corrupt. two points here, first of all,

this judge is an eyewitness to the corruption. this judge has failed to handle this trial properly. for instance, the government is compelled to provide any exculpatory evidence and other information it has to the defense. it clearly did not. it took a u.s. attorney from the eastern district of missouri, under the watchful eye of the attorney general of the united states, to drag like pulling teeth this information out which shows how corrupt this prosecution was. you know, general flynn pled guilty. he pled guilty because he had a gun to his head. he pled guilty because they were going after his son. he pled guilty because he was set up and he was going broke. and the judge knows all these things. but he's an innocent man. he's an absolutely innocent man. that's what these documents show. the guilt is on the government. so attorney general barr sees this, and he says we're going to drop this case. so when the government says we're going to drop this case,

and the defense says yes, drop the case, both parties agree there's no case, and so the judge decides well, i will decide if there's a case or not. i will substitute my opinions for the party's opinions. now, we have a supreme court decision last week, 9 to 0, written by ruth bader ginsburg, which basically said you can't bring in these friend of the court briefs because you as a judge, and she was talking to the ninth circuit back then, because you as a judge decide you don't really like how the parties have set up this case. and there's a 9-0 decision. this judge is in washington, d.c. he's defying the supreme court. the d.c. court of appeals has done the same thing. he's defying the court of appeals. he's defying the wishes of the party. and he's violating the 4th amendment of the constitution because he knows what was done to flynn was an unreasonable search and seizure. there weren't proper warrants. they used the back door with the

tapping of the russian ambassador's phone, to try and get flynn and other people. he also knows he was deprived of due process, under the 5th amendment. and in the end, the judge will lose. so my advice to the department of justice is this, it's a rare filing, but file a motion for prohibition with the circuit court in d.c. and tell the circuit court this judge has no jurisdiction based on your prior opinion, based on the supreme court's opinion, take this case away from this rogue partisan antitrump pro obama judge. take it away from him and end this travesty. jesse: not only do they have to do that, but when the republicans retake the house, i think they should initiate impeachment proceedings against this judge. he's way out of line. it's not a crime to change your plea. he knows that. everybody knows that. but he's clinging on to this

hoax because it's the last thing keeping this thing standing. everything else has crumbled. all right. mark levin, we'll catch you on sunday night, everybody. check him out. the russia hoax completely fell apart this week. wait till you hear what really happened to the dnc's server. that's next. the biggest week in television is here.

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jesse: one of the biggest facets of the russia hoax is the dnc server. they say it was hacked. they hired a firm to investigate. the firm said the russians hacked it. and trump was blamed. you know the rest. but the fbi never looked at the server. the dnc wouldn't let them. the fbi just took the firm's word for it. but declassified documents show the president of the firm, sean henry, testified under oath, that he had no evidence that russia hacked the dnc server or evidence that anybody hacked it. look what he says here, there's circumstantial evidence but no evidence that they were actually exfill traited. we don't have the evidence that says the data actually left. we didn't have a sensor in place that saw data leave. joining me now, the reporter behind the story which first appeared in real clear

investigations aaron mate, journalist with the gray zone and host of pushback. so aaron, i just want to let everybody know we don't know who did it. maybe it was the russians. but we're just saying that the guy who was in charge of investigating it, he doesn't have any evidence that it was the russians. how did the story get out there, that the russians did it? >> well, the firm was the dnc contractor that generated this allegation and first made it public. and when they said it in june of 2016, that's when this whole russia gate madness began. and what's crazy is that sean henry made this admission behind closed doors in december of 2017, but we're only finding this out now, three years later, and what he's saying, it's pretty significant. he's saying that they've identified some alleged russian hackers inside the dnc server, although i think there's reasons to question even that assertion based on the firm's track record, when it comes to making these attributions, but even

putting that aside, he's acknowledging that they have no evidence of these hackers exfill traiting data from the server. so if you can't pinpoint where are or even whether these alleged russian hackers took anything from the server, how can you be so confident in accusing them of stealing these e-mails from that server? jesse: and you could tell it was fishy from the jump because mueller in his report he didn't even say with specificity that the russians did the hacking. he said it appears; right? like it appears, but he didn't have any evidence. no one had any evidence that it was the russians, but everybody pointed their finger at the russians. maybe they did. it goes to show you how even like the most certain assumption of this russia trump collusion thing is evidence free. >> this entire thing has been propelled by disingenuous

language and leaks from the intelligence officials, behind russia gate, and we saw that with collusion. we got all these leaks, painting a picture of illicit trump russia contacts, when mueller had to write his report, he could barely find any actual instances of somebody actually acting on behalf of the russian government, even interacting with somebody actually acting on behalf of the trump campaign. there were people who might have had russian passports or known people with russian passports, but that doesn't make for a conspiracy between trump and russia. we saw how baseless that was. we also saw mueller suggest that this russian troll farm was a part of some sweeping russian government operation, mueller then had to admit that he actually has no evidence tying the troll farm to the russian government, and then when the troll farm fought back, mueller dropped the case. jesse: right, maybe they were involved, maybe they weren't. it is all hearsay and innuendo. the fact that a guy like mueller

who like, you know, this is a big deal in the united states, we're talking about taking down a president, he's taking the word of some random firm that the russians did it? and he's the chief law enforcement guy? i mean, who just takes someone's word that the russians did it without any evidence? and they didn't even have the server in their own hands. it is stupid, and we're getting done with it. so aaron, thanks very much. i'ms

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