out that i finally played a golf course that bill hemmer has never been on. he'd never been a seminal periods be eight oh! that's hard to do! [laughs] >> ed: it's hard to beat hemmer at something. >> sandra: oh, hemmer. shout out to hemmer. great to be with you, ed. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, high-stakes legal showdown over coronavirus state home orders with a growing number of lawsuits over lockdowns nationwide, as 14 states lift or ease some restrictions today. california alone now facing at least a dozen lawsuits, including claims the state crossed the line and shutting down gun shops and religious services. and, is infringing on free speech. governor gavin newsom says it's a legal fight stretching far beyond his own state. >> all across the country, every single day, governors are being

challenged, local health officials are being challenged. those who continue to pursue things that put people at arms risk, you have to have stepped up efforts and enforcement in sanctions. >> melissa: at least 28 states have faced lockdown related lawsuits, including michigan, where the republican led legislature is suing democratic governor gretchen whitmer over her expanded order. it is all playing out on the heels of wisconsin's supreme court striking down governor tony evers' shelter-in-place order last week. that sent local authorities scrambling to impose their own restrictions as bars and restaurants declared themselves open for business. this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. kennedy, most of kennedy on the fox business network. emily compagno, attorney and fox news contributor, and joining us today, jason chaffetz, former utah congressman on fox news contributor. he is "outnumbered." jason, what do you think of some of these responses that we are seeing?

>> jason: i think the governors in these states are going to lose. you can't just trample on the bill of rights when you go after religious services, when you go after the freedom of assembly, when you go after free speech, when you try to take down the second amendment by closing access to gun stores and calling that nonessential. these things are spelled out in the bill of rights. there's a reason why they do it, and i think these states are going to be on the losing end of these lawsuits, and i think there's a lot more coming at them. >> melissa: so, here's what texas attorney general ken paxton had to say on that front. emily, i will get your legal opinion on what he said. oh, i don't think it's a sound bite, forgive me. nope, go back a little. the governor's order prohibits a local order from restricting essential or reopen services. if you try to close and essential business or a reopened business, regardless whether a

violation of your order occurs, your action would conflict with governor abbott's executive order and would therefore be invalid." who is right and this one, emily? >> emily: right, well, what we are seeing come of the trend is on the part of the plaintiff 's. just explain a bit for our viewers, there's lawsuits all over the country as he mentioned but they all look a little bit different, even though they are all based on constitutional rights and interpretation. just in common sense terms, some are arguing, "my business should not have been excluded from the essential designation of phase one or phase two." some focus on the right to worship or access to health care. note that in these arguments there is a social compliance notion to them. they are saying, "i can worship while maintaining compliance with your social distancing order." some are about the power itself. they argue governors don't have the right, it's an overreach of power, and that's what we saw in wisconsin. the courts agreed.

the court there said, "you need legislature approval," for the governor to extend that state home order. your member, the anchor to all of this is whether it's the least restrictive method of obtaining a legitimate goal. the point is that it's getting harder and harder to argue, which the texas governor touched on, that this is the least restrictive method. it's also getting harder and harder to argue that the goal of flattening the curve hasn't already been accomplished. >> melissa: and it's also getting harder to enforce. kennedy, i will point out to you, her own pete hegseth -- this morning he was at a gym while police had gathered. i'm sorry, where people had gathered, wanting to go to the gym, wanting it opening your juicy. he tweeted, "police just showed up, entire exchange was respectful. the officer notify the gym they were vital in the governors order," what emily was talking about. then said, "have a nice day," and walked away. the crowd roared." as his legal fight goes on, people have to obey and the

police have to enforce. that's two more steps that seemingly al are not following quite as much as before. >> kennedy: i'm glad you brought that up. is this really what we want police doing during a lockdown? this is where we have to question the rationality of the blanket stay-at-home orders. certain governors, they absolutely love the power and control, and it appeals to the very worst instincts. emily brings up, is this the least restrictive? and it's not. we have to look at more options. i think one of those options, if this is how you are deploying law enforcement, it's actually serving at the detriment of society. with masked enforcement, there are a lot more robberies because people are completely hidden and unidentifiable. it's hard to say, "yeah, it was the guy in the mask, he's the one who took my purse!" and there has been a spike in crime in certain areas. let's also take the crime and

cops out of it, people are getting fat. they want to go to the gym. people are losing their minds, and circulation is one of the only things that helps with that. you got the quarantine 15, and the absolute loss of sanity. those two things combined, gems -- proper social distancing, thien, they are becoming an essential service. >> melissa: harris, it's interesting, i was out this weekend in my neighborhood and there were plenty of stores open for the first time that sold toys, hobby wear, all sorts of things that may or may not be essential. depending what your outlook is. the store owner had a mask on, was standing at the street, was allowing me be one person in at a time, but there is this idea -- i asked a couple shopkeepers, they said, "we are going out of business if we don't let people in." at the same time, you can't stop stupid. with so many people out over the weekend close to each other, without masks, drinking and doing all kinds of other things. how do you balance it?

>> harris: you know, it's personal responsibility. jason, you and i have talked many times about this. but there is also law. emily, it gets complicated when you talk religious services. to me, those constitutional rights that we have are quite different than trying to legislate the nuances of what reopening really looks like from business to business. i think that's on a very local level, and i think it comes out of communication. you know, i have really observed, as we all did very early on in this, that we were in the fog of war against this. as the present has put it, and i think is right about this, "an enemy we couldn't see." we were trying to do what we needed to do. many people have been locked in their homes north of eight weeks now. i think we've agreed upon some things that work. now that personal responsibility is challenged by that hunger, as kennedy described, for freedom. it comes down to communication. those governors, those mayors,

those people actually listening to the public. and it isn't always just about money. it's about the psyche, about the spirit, about our own joy and happiness. you know, the pursuit of it. that's guaranteed? that part? all of that matters. how can we work together to make sure we are better protected when we do burst out? like you, melissa, i was out this weekend. went to a park that was open, sections of it, this weekend. and there were a lot of people who were doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. and then, what did you call them? stupid? i can't remember, but it was a good line. >> melissa: you can't stop stupid. >> harris: you have those people. they have sneaked in some beverages that weren't allowed in the park, and gonna party like it's 1999. plus, i think that's when you call upon the law and law enforcement to help out in that regard. i don't think you have to stick people in jail like the woman in texas who tried to open her business, obviously. but we do have to agree on what

keeps us safe. >> melissa: that's a terrific point. i think we end on that one right there, that's a great point. president trump dismissing another government watchdog. why he says this was necessary, and democrats demand an immediate investigation. >> this is new to us, and typical of the white house, announcing something that is very unsavory. they would do it late on a friday night. use a good musical (♪) i came across sofi and it was the best decision of my life. we're getting a super competitive interest rate on our money. we're able to invest through the same exact platform. i got approved for a loan and it was a game-changer. truly sofi, thank you for helping me prepare for whatever the future has in store. (♪)

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congress late friday, wrote that he no longer has full confidence in inspector general steve linick, and obama administration appointee. he is the fourth ig the president has fired in the past six weeks. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee and the top democrat on senate foreign relations committee now is asking the trump administration to hand over all records on his dismissal by this friday. here's speaker of the house nancy pelosi. >> the president has the right to fire any federal employee, but the fact is, if it looks like it's in retaliation for something that the ig, the inspector general, is doing, that could be unlawful. >> harris: jason, this fit so neatly into your wheelhouse as former chairman of the oversight committee. notwithstanding the fact that he can fire anything he wants, even at the police as that. there is no information out here that fox news is confirmed, so i

just want to do that. house democrats have discovered that fired ig has done micah completed an investigation into secretary pompeo's widely concise decision to go around congress with an emergency declaration to approve billions of dollars in arms sales to saudi arabia last year. that's aids to the foreign affairs committee, and that's what they are telling our rich edson. first, your reaction to that? >> jason: my initial reaction is an investigation will continue on. there are 72 inspectors general with about 13,500 employees, if there is in investigation going on. it will look likely continue to go on. it won't rest with one soul person. i've got to tell you, i watched it -- because the ig is up to the oversight committee, we had jurisdiction. when i was the chairman, he didn't hear a peep from the democrats on the same subject. when barack obama fired the inspector general, looking to obama's buddy, the mayor kevin

johnson, you didn't hear a peep from the media. when hillary clinton was the head of the state department for four years and there wasn't a senate-confirmed inspector general for four years, the entire time she was there, did you ever have a democrat like senator menendez ever say, "oh, we have to have inspector general!" you never had that. i could go on with an hour about the hypocrisy and the lack of intellectual curiosity from the media on this topic. they treat donald trump truly different. the president has the ability, he has the right to fire this person. i don't know the nuances of it. for nancy pelosi to say it's suspicious and perhaps illegal is fundamentally totally wrong, irresponsible, and done for purely political reasons. >> harris: my ears perk up when i hear the word "legal," or "illegal." >> emily: right. what jason said was absolutely correct. the investigation is ongoing. by terminating the inspector general, doesn't mean they would stop the

investigation pray that being said, the official investigation is into whether the decision with the retaliatory measure designed to, in their words, prevent or shield secretary of state pompeo from accountability. that original investigation, yes, is into alleged notions of what acts of work that has personal assistant or his officials were asked to do. behaviors that were sort of similar to a personal assistant. also the role of his wife, which he has called a force multiplier, as most spouses are. and if there are allegations of her being in a closet official role. that being said, as jason pointed out, this is another investment of our taxpayer dollars and times that i think, given their 36 million americans unemployed right now, i'd probably speak for most of us when i say we'd rather our lawmakers focus on expunging policy that stagnates jobs and rights policy that improves and sustains jobs.

>> harris: it's interesting you put it that way. that's what everybody kind of was saying in the beginning, even from both sides of the political aisle. they want the president focused on former administration barack obama at this point, or they want them focus on the thing that emily just listed right there. now you've got -- but wait a minute, there's more from this side of the political aisle. what of the american people supposed to think about the letter i wear it , investigation, at this point? >> kennedy: unfortunately it's a political weapon, and that's a problem. if you have somebody who is really abusing their power and their office, there needs to be accountability. we don't want it to turn into a swamp more than it is for republicans or democrats. it's not excusable if someone in a republican administration does it. with mike pompeo having diplomatic service members walk his dog, that might not be great. i don't think it's worth an ig investigation, but if you're

talking about him misusing taxpayer funds in order to fly to his adopted home state of kansas in order to potentially lay out a senate run, using taxpayer money, that is problematic. i think we need to look at these things. i have a big issue with arms sales to saudi arabia, on a personal and moral level. nancy pelosi is saying, "well, it could be retaliation." it could be a lot of things. mike pompeo may be an automaton. but until you find the off switch on him, you can't prove that. throwing things like, "what if?" around, it only muddies an already dirty process. back to jason's point, it this is so political that people have a hard time trusting anything they hear out of anyone's mouth. that means we've gotten so far from the truth. >> harris: it'll be interesting, melissa, if they

took some of that power and curiosity. i love that word you used, jason. and maybe put it on how to get us all reopen safely. i know they can do more than one thing, but wouldn't it be great if these committees went, "we're going to purpose ourselves on a pandemic!" i don't know. >> melissa: i don't actually think they are good at doing more than one thing at a time. i don't think they're good at doing one thing at a time, so i don't have a lot of faith in this. i would say that, yes, the investigation is still ongoing, but when he fired the ig, it certainly puts a chill on the whole thing. there's that. at the same time, when have any of these investigations ever been satisfying for either side? they always stormed down this path, it's as if you are tattling on each other on both sides of the aisle. both democrats and republicans. a lot of times they have very valid issues, but there is never a satisfying outcome where somebody who didn't sink something before is convinced of it afterwards, and the right people get punished. that doesn't happen. for whatever reason, i think it's a waste of time. and they should focus on

reopening america safely. >> harris: just real quickly, because we do have to scoot, that word that melissa just used, "chill," it's not just when ig. it's four in a very quick period of time. your last thought? >> jason: i would just say there's a double standard, because when barack obama did it, nobody said a peep. presidents do this, it has happened in each administration. presidents are allowed to do this. i don't mind looking at it, but don't take it to this hyperpartisan level that they didn't do. it's barack obama, that's the hypocrisy that drives me nuts. >> harris: its gloves off, as former president obama sips of chris's mother trump administration's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. how president trump is responding, next. use a good musical ♪

>> more than anything, this pandemic has finally turned back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing. a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge. if the world is going to get better, it's going to be up to you. >> melissa: former president obama taking other thinly veiled swipe at president trump during a virtual graduation speech over the weekend. former president obama doubling down on his criticism of the trump administration's pandemic response a week earlier, following his endorsement of joe biden last month. in a second speech this past weekend, the former president went even further. >> doing what feels good, what's convenient, with easy, that's how little kids think. unfortunately, a lot of so-called "grown-ups," including some with fancy titles and important jobs, still think that way. which is why things are so screwed up. >> melissa: white house trade advisor, peter navarro, had this to say in response to the

remarks. >> i'm glad mr. obama has a new job as joe biden's press secretary. as far as i'm concerned, his administration was a kumbaya of incompetence, in which we saw millions and millions of manufacturing jobs go off to china. >> melissa: president trump, later echoing navarro, calling his predecessor "grossly incompetent." kennedy, i want to start with you on president obama, because it is so intellectually lazy to go to the little kid place. if there is something we have noticed, especially in this age of trump, when you say, "is this what you would do in front of your children? this is how children behave!" just seems like, for a graduation speech, i would have personally worked hard on my writing. >> kennedy: absolutely. and for someone who is known for being such a great speaker and wordsmith, he really just threw in a casserole of nonsense and served it up. i think that's incredibly condescending.

but what you realize, what's happening here, the feeling is if you put president obama out there enough, and if you see enough video, it will convinced dumb voters that he is running for president again. that's why the joe biden administration would be a continuation of president obama, who for many democrats is still incredibly popular. that doesn't speak to president obama's strengths, that speaks to joe biden's weaknesses. the fact that their big campaign tactic right now is keeping him in a basement, that's very, very bad news, especially if you -- again, if you come to the base. if vice president biden and president trump actually debate each other, i think the vice president is going to have a tough time. unlike president obama, who is very, very vague, joe biden will have to have access to those specifics, and the access is what has troubled him lately. >> melissa: emily, there are two things that drive -- sitting

at a graduation, or sitting in church at a sermon, and somebody gets political. in both places, i feel like, "please, i just wanted a break from politics. i wanted to be inspired or uplifted or taught something. i don't want to hear about politics right now." how do you think the students felt about this? >> emily: that's exactly right. i think this was a failed and lost opportunity by president obama to really rise above and truly inspire those kids that were watching. i was watching. instead, he just evolved into that rhetoric, which brings me to my point that president trump often gets blamed for the deterioration of political rhetoric in this country, but you can argue that president obama governed in a way that, yes, united his base, but totally alienated anyone who disagreed with those policies. that's what gave rise to the tea party movement. to me, it's actually not a real surprise that, notwithstanding kennedy's great point that the video and the resurgence, the

call to action as it were that, "oh, this is what biden is going to equate to," notwithstanding that, i think it goes to show that it's no real surprise he's the one that is regularly and systematically attacking his successor. we didn't see this from george w. bush to obama, but unfortunately been seeing it with obama to trump. >> melissa: that's a very interesting point. jason, at the same time, i would say that president obama is the loudest, most popular voice on the left by a ton. the only other one who it seems like come close to him is his wife. i would think that democrats are demanding that he be out in full force to support joe biden, and wouldn't be all be surprised if he wasn't? >> jason: i agree with that. he's the strongest player on the democratic side of the aisle. but the problem was he overshadows joe biden. here we are, may 18th, you don't see joe biden leading the charge

and everybody rallying around him. i've yet to find anybody who actually stands up and says, "boy, i wish joe biden was the president!" i don't hear that. it's interesting, when they hear obama's words, all i can think about is the governor of new york, the governor of illinois, the governor of california, mayor de blasio. i thought he was talking about those clowns, because they have been terrible at this. i do agree that this was not the right venue. you're supposed to put something out there aspirational. i thought it was lame and disappointing for me former president. i don't think he's the great or greater that everybody since he is, by the way. he has a hard time taking 60 seconds sometimes to get one sentence out of his mouth. >> melissa: harris, what was your reaction? >> harris: well, to that point, journalists would tell you that filibuster the former president used to be was sometimes strategic and may have even been on purpose. because you couldn't get more than two or three questions at a time, because you just didn't

have an hour with him. you know, you talk about venue, here is my topline question. does the graduating crowd vote? [laughs] lake, has something changed in the calculus about how people are going to go to the polls or vote by mail or whatever we're going to be doing in november 2020? like, i don't know why you'd make that speech there. i'll leave it there. i know we are out of time. >> melissa: yeah, i guess we are all talking about it. so there is that. all right, thanks, guys. president trump and the g.o.p. looking to make the michael flynn case a major campaign issue. people on the biden campaign say they're not worried, but should they be? that's next. ♪ veterans, how can one phone call save you $2000 a year? by refinancing your va loan at today's incredibly low rates at newday usa. newday's va streamline refi is the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered. you can lower your payments by this time next month

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>> harris: president trump going after former president obama and former vice president joe biden over the unmasking of former national security advisor michael flynn,

watch the latest. >> this was all obama. this was all biden. these people are corrupt, the whole thing was corrupt, and we caught them. here's the thing, it was impossible for it to happen without the man that sits right in that chair in the oval office. he knew everything. >> harris: this, as two republican led senate committees are now investigating joe biden's role in flynn's unmasking, as the party looks to weaponize this against the presumptive democratic presidential nominee. biden, however, has remained silent on this issue as senior strategist for his campaign told "the washington post" this. "the public is really focus on what matters in this election, and they are not being dragged into side issues and into manufactured issues. i think trump is risking a real problem in trying to push the conversation to a place where the country knows that's not what is at stake." jason, i come to you. one point is really clear and all of this, and i'm going to

ask my team if we can just roll this race. this is new. the ag barr is now saying that, you know what? and abuse of power isn't always a crime. let's watch. >> not every abuse of power, no matter how outrageous, is necessarily a federal crime. now, as to president obama and vice president biden, whatever their level of involvement, based on the information i have today, i don't expect mr. durham's work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. >> harris: so, why are we going through the dance? >> jason: well, i think it is important to understand their level of involvement. it wasn't as if -- you know, the question about what president obama and vice president biden no have been lingering out there, but it's only through the evidence and the fact-gathering that has now led to, for instance, joe biden has one of the people

unmasking general flynn. i think that's a legitimate question. i've got to believe the attorney general, when he says he's not looking at criminal referrals or investigations of the president or the vice president, but to understand the core of how donald trump was spied on. about how, in his campaign, and the collusion, and all the country has gone threw for three plus years, where's the curiosity from the democrats who used to be champions of concern about these types of things? from the media, who trumpeted time after time after time about this so-called collusion? we are now trying to get to the bottom of this, and find this out. thank goodness for senator johnson and senator graham, for what they are doing. but it really is going to come down to bill barr and john durham. you have more than the parent of justice. i think some of these intelligence agencies, clapper,

brennan, and some of their culverts come are going to be right in the thick of this. that'll be a driving issue. whether donald trump wanted to be or not, it will be a driving issue in this campaign. >> harris: very interesting. emily, i'm looking at what you have told us before and what i've read. barr is seeing the difference the metrics you get to mask instead of leak. the crime is the leak. if they can't prove that, maybe that's why barr says likely no federal crime committed by biden or obama at this point, that they can charge them with. >> emily: that's exactly right. to the larger point, if this investigation was conducted with full face and force and a transparency of evidence, without a conclusion that they were driving a train toward, that's wonderful. we should all be applauding that. i think the absence of a criminal conclusion does not mean that it hasn't raised questions, that people need to

answer. that we, as the american public and taxpayers, need to hold our election -- or, our elected officials died accountable for. i think it's not mutually exclusive that one means scot-free. sure, there is criminal in one bucket, but that sort of opens all of my calls to questions on the side that i would love to hear the answers for. why i do take issue with a senioradr "manufactured" issues when a secret court has a rule, a standard of review, that is probable cause and an american citizen is simply speaking with a foreign power that is well below are constitutionally protected probable cause of committing a crime. that is not a side issue. that is a fundamental liberty and afforded protection for american citizens. i think this should be a full front and center issue for the america public. >> harris: and i think you should argue it. >> emily: [laughs] >> harris: you're really good at it!

>> emily: [laughs] thank you. >> harris: kennedy, how does this play politically for president trump? jasons given you a pause! how does that play politically for biden or trump? >> kennedy: joe biden is trying to tell two stories here. he participated in the unmasking of michael flynn, who was, incidentally, captured in a conversation with somebody was being surveilled under these various surveillance acts and statutes. then he says, "i didn't know what was going on, i didn't have any part of it." that should were you when it comes to abide made administration. if he was only doing what he was directed without any thoughts, that basically makes him a mindless blob. if you are comfortable electing someone like that, who will be controlled like a puppet, by faceless bureaucrats who have zero accountability, i pray for this country and i pray for people who would fall under such

a spell, because that is some dark magic and it is very bad news. if you can't think for himself, and he can't recall basic facts, he should be running for president. a lot of democrats know that. the question is, is it too late for them to switch him out with someone with a little bit more mental capacity? >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: you know, i think the most disturbing part of this whole thing beyond the leak is this idea that we got directly from susan rice. the fact that her allegation, that former president obama told the holdovers from his administration that they should think twice before they share information with the incoming president, that is the part that i found most shocking. rather than possibly warning him, if they legitimately believed that there was a threat. instead he instructed them to not brief, to not inform him, to not allow him to be the commander in chief.

that's not would elected to do prethat's not a democracy works. from the leaking, yes. but from this whole issue, thus the part that is most shocking and we need to get to the bottom two. >> harris: one thing that bursts tree was even without proven ability of a crime, there is a whole lot know. we haven't talked about that point in a long time, melissa, they make. that origin-type conversation about, why wasn't the campaign ever warned? albright, the federal reserve chairman says our economy will bounce back from the pandemic, but it might take longer than we'd like. why he's being so cautious, right now. ♪ >> this economy will recover. it may take a while. it may take a period of time. it could stretch through the end of next year. we really don't know. ♪ open road and telling people that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need!

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>> assuming there is not a second wave of the coronavirus, i think you'll see the economy recover steadily through the second half of this year. for the economy to fully recover, people will have to be fully confident. that may have may have to await the arrival of a vaccine.

>> melissa: federal reserve chairman jerome powell on what it will take for the u.s. economy to recover from the pandemic fallout that has cost millions of americans jobs and shutdown businesses across the country. powell also saying the economy may not fully bounce back until the end of next year. although, jason, i would say the reason why we saw the market take off like a rocket this morning is because we got that news about the vaccine trial where, i believe it was -- i heard maria bartiromo say this, i take a word for everything -- 45 showed antibodies after they had this vaccine. that would be a huge relief for places like schools, you know? where you are trying to protect children. if you require people to get the vaccine, it's a huge relief that may be coming sooner than we think. what are your thoughts? >> jason: i do believe everything maria bartiromo says. she's one of his most people on

the planet. i tell you, i feel more optimistic about our economy and our ability to overcome this than i have been surly last 90 days. we can't get complacent right now, but i'm optimistic on the economy, and congress should make sure they don't get in the way i do the right thing, i think we can get there. i am more optimistic than ever.t back out and get to work. for those who are concerned, for sure, stay inside. but when you see people fighting for their businesses and their livelihood, i'm heartened. that's the american spirit, this idea that we want to do for ourselves. we want to provide for our families. what are your thoughts? >> kennedy: yeah, i like the fact the people are looking around, asking yourselves, "how can i be more creative? how can i go back to work? how can i be more dynamic? how can i provide?" harris made the point earlier that money doesn't buy you happiness. it doesn't. but poverty buys you despair,

and that's incredibly unfortunate. my worry is that if there's a geometric effect, as long as the shutdown continues, it's going to take 2-3 times longer for the economy to bounce back. we have to somehow find a way out of that repeating cycle in order to get people somehow back to work. even if that means, again, being creative, reinventing the way we do business with one another. the point is we have to have the freedom to engage in commerce. >> melissa: and, emily, if you look at the last financial crisis, that was top-down. the value wealthy got hurt for us. for this when it's in bottom up. if you think about the people in your life that you know that it had the worst effect from this, it is those folks have the least amount of resources. there is such a connection between health and income. if we hamper incomes going forward, that does lead to

health outcomes. if you have less money, you don't spend it on being healthy, going to the doctor, exercising. you don't have time for that. what are your thoughts? >> emily: that's exactly right, melissa. 40% of households in the country that make $40,000 or less per year are unemployed. you are right, this is disproportionately affecting those lower incomes, and also those that are deemed essential. a lot of those workers are lower income workers, so they are getting exposed at a higher rate to this virus. it is not going to be a switch that we turn on, and there are two things within us, within our power, that we can do to soar to foster that. one is consumer confidence, those ar who aren't unemployed,o can stimulate the economy. and can put pressure on our lawmakers to make decisions that preserve and sustain jobs of the economy can thrive. >> melissa: well said. some big-time sports making their comebacks this weekend, and getting a live call-in from

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(♪) >> melissa: nascar and golf yesterday becoming the latest professional sports to restart amid the covid-19 pandemic, but minus the roaring crowds and the golf claps. nascar's real heroes 400 cup series, in honor of frontline health care workers, kicked off the week with empty stands and limited pit crews inside the darling raceway. golf also returning to television after a long absence for a televised charity match, again, with no spectators. it was the first live u.s. broad dome at gulf broadcast since the pga tour shut down, and president trump called into valley speedy and safe return to normalcy. >> we are getting it back, and it's going be fast. start off with small crowds, if any. we want to get it back to where it was. we want big, big stadiums loaded

with people. >> melissa: kennedy, i would add that in my house we were screaming, "bundesliga!" because sucker came back and we saw the first live goal while in captivity! i've never been so excited about german soccer. how about you? >> kennedy: "bundesliga" is so much fun to say. they need to combine the sports, they need to have the nascar driver is driving the golf carts for the pga. then he really going to get things cooking! as long as we have these great amalgamations, you will see blanket happiness. like emily! >> emily: [laughs] >> melissa: she's complete the getty by the thought of sports! we are starving for it. why are we starting emily? >> emily: i feel like i'm starving for everything. humor and levity and people, and this kind of interaction, totally. that it encompasses the american spirit, and to point about that,

that charity match raised over $5 million and also nascar foundation today at darlington, where that race took place, within one hour of them setting up a supply line they had already serviced 200 cars. people are in need, that's what sports can bring us together and aid in that. >> melissa: that's terrific. jason, what are your thoughts? bundesliga! [laughs] >> jason: i love the bundesliga! i love soccer. i've got to tell you, they have to get more creative. i wish they would take golf and do miniature golf, like putt putt. i would love to see tiger woods try and tackle that dreaded windmill, that sort of thing. nascar works, they pulled that off! it was great, it was good. they got to keep doing it. >> melissa: you know, these are some very solid ideas, and we all know that fox has a sports network. i think we should immediately start emailing them with some of these great ideas about mash up sports. it does prove that we are all desperate to get back to normal

life. thanks to all of you, thanks to jason chaffetz and the rest of our virtual couch and everyone on their couch at home. thanks for joining us. here's harris. ♪ >> harris: it is a big reopen day across america, amid the growing debate of how states should handle the new normal. you're watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. at least 14 states are easing state on restrictions today, including florida and texas, despite the number of coronavirus cases approaching 1.5 million in the united states. and huge crowds of people flooded beaches and parks across the country over the weekend, in defiance of social distancing guidelines. hhs secretary alex azar weighing in on that. >> i think in any individual instance you will see people doing things that are irresponsible. that's part of the freedom that we have here in america. we can give guidance come out count on local l