much from stanford, good to see you tonight, sir. >> thank you. >> martha: that is the story monday. may 18th, 2020 but as always the story continues and we will see you tomorrow night. have a good night, everybody. "tucker carlson tonight" is up next. ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the problem with assessing a political candidate is you never really know what they are like until they get a hold of power and by then, it is too late. the decent ones wield power with strength and humility. they understand the limits of their own wisdom, human wisdom and also the inevitability of intended consequences which is the rule. we know they will not be in charge forever so they tread lightly. but the bad ones they go crazy and the more power they get, the crazier they go. powers the new drug they have been searching for a pair that is why they went into politics the first place.

not to help your fellow citizens to improve society but to fill the empty space inside of themselves. these are pro-family damaged people. not a single one of them has a functional relationship with their fathers, not one. unfortunately, people like that want a lot of this country right now. they've never had more power at any time in our history. aas a pandemic received, it is becoming clear of the states to cautiously reopen did the right thing. the reaping of the benefits of that. nowhere has the virus surged back. hospitals have not been overwhelmed, death rates have not spiked. the time for mass quarantine is passed. and yet in some places and this is the measure of bad leadership, lockdowns are becoming more restricted, not less and much, much weirder. in illinois, for example an aging who bought the governor's title for $172 million in inherited money has issued yet another emergency. this time, he vows to imprison

business owners if they try to reopen them. meanwhile in new york city, pothead mayor de blasio anyone who dares to swim will be yanked out of the water and of course speaking of the virus spreading so easily in the ocean. pothead bill. in los angeles friday night the mayor has told the beachgoers, they can walk on the wet sand, totally fine, but not on the dry. dry sand is dangerous. on long island, nassau county executive has band doubles tennis, watch. >> fill me in on what those rules are, single, no doubles and only every other port, you have to have between players to set the people plaguing. every player unless the same household has to bring their own tennis ball. so that you don't touch other people's tennis balls. >> tucker: singles only, no doubles. she wants this in nassau county and illegal to touch other people's tennis balls.

this is what happens when neurotic, dumb people get power, they do neurotic film things and throw you in jail if you complain about it. thankfully in spots around the nation people are starting to remember this is america. just because like j.b. pritzker does not mean that the rest of us have to play along. so the sheriffs in illinois announced they will no longer enforced j.b. pritzker's orders. they were too stupid and also constitutional. many others are standing up for themselves in quieter ways, here is how we know. because it controls your smartphone, apple can attract travel across the country. that is scary but in this case come interesting. here is white. over the past weekend for the first time since the lockdown began mid-marc march from a trel above the baseline average and that means americans are voting with their feet. they are ignoring the orders and they were breaking isolation. last week on this show we talk to new jersey gym owner called

ian smith. he vowed to reopen his gym no matter what. >> murphy clearly doesn't know what it's do to keep people safe. so many have died. he has arrested people for attending weddings. you are openly defying him on television but what do you think will happen to you when you do this? >> we are prepared for any and all consequences. our actions on monday are going to be grounded in the ideals of civil disobedience. what we intend to showcase is that we reject the premise of essential versus nonessential business. the wind so he wasn't joking. his gym reopen today and a big crowd arrived and the police arrived too. here is what happened next. >> we are worried about everybody safety today. [applause]

>> you are in violation of the executive order. have a good day, everybody be safe. >> tucker: kind of a touching exchange. at the ending. but it didn't last long. the police as you just heard, preferred to lead citizens in peace because they weren't hurting anything but then the supervisors for some return with threats. >> people dispersed. if you do not disperse, you could be charged. >> tucker: so how do things stand at that gym tonight? here, and smith joins us now. thank you so much for coming on. so tell us what happened. a lot of people across the country so the first video which really wasn't a nice moment. the police understand. it was, it really was, it brightened my morning, but then they came back. why and then what happened? >> i assume that they came back because they received an order

from higher up. my business partner frank and i received a summons for violating a governor's order. >> tucker: what are the consequences of that? >> i guess, only time will tell. my attorney didn't seem to ruffled up by it, and neither are frank and i. >> tucker: so it sounds like you suspect that the governor, governor murphy the former goldman sachs partners of the state felt that his personal integrity was on the line here. like he couldn't let you do this. >> that certainly would have felt like that, but i don't know entirely. moments earlier, probably a half an hour earlier, we had that beautiful exchange with the office chairs that had been present all day and whom we've had nothing but great exchange with. it has been the love and positive all day.

you know with the exception of handing over a summons, it remains that way. >> tucker: i mean that the police presence and striking. again, as you just pointed out, i bet money these guys don't want to be there. they think they have better things to do and i bet they do. that is my question has old crime ended in the state of new jersey? is camped in a safe place to walk around now? >> i wouldn't go take a stroll, no. >> because someone sent all of these cops to your business for the crime just wanting to make a living, that means other crimes weren't prevented. is that a fair assumption? >> absolutely. >> there was a heavy police presence starting pretty early in the morning. and they helped us maintain order. there were a lot of people there. so i am thankful for that, but i'm sure that their job could have been done better elsewhere. i'm sure there were other calls that needed to be handled, you know, for the most part, we

were self-reliant and responsible and peaceful. >> tucker: right, you did us the favor of explaining in some detail how you measured the gym safe in a time of transmissible disease. and it sounds like he really thought that through. now the governor apparently is threatening you and your business partner that anyone who shows up tomorrow is going to get a next level kind of punishment. what do you think that means? >> you know, i'm not entirely sure, but we are ready for the consequences. one of our members has already started up a gofundme for all of our members and our staff as well as frank and i. we are intended to open up tomorrow. and their attorney has expressed that he's more than happy to represent all of us. the one so i assume you got into this business because you thought about business but not because you want to act in civil disobedience. do you ever look at your wife and wonder how you got here?

>> [laughter] how come it's been a pretty crazy week. he put out a public statement on instagram a week ago and i've been on the tucker carlson show which i watch twice a week now. and i've gotten a tremendous amount of support and outreach from people all over the country and people seemed really energized by this idea that it's okay to stand up for what you believe in. and that we can get back to being a prosperous nation. at the same time, being safe and upholding the ideas of public safety. and i think that we proved that today. >> tucker: yeah, i mean, what i find so striking, you are obviously not kind of an extremist. you seem to you seemed even-tempered stomach tempered, sensible person to try to do the right thing and goldman sachs ig down on you so i hope you will e back up the story moves in an unexpected direction and of course, thank you for joining us. >> it would be my pleasure,

thank you. spill and thank you. we are joined by senator john kennedy of louisiana. doing a little better. thank you for joining us tonight. i don't know if you plan to go to a long island this summer, but you should know that double tennis is banned, legal but singles is allowed in new york, swimmers yanked out of the water in los angeles. wet sand is fine, dry sand is dangerous. i know you're not an epidemiologist but assess the science there, if you would. >> tucker, look i understand mr. smith's frustrations. here is the problem, in my opinion. since the inception of this pool of misery that we find ourselves in, many members of the manager rolmanagerial elite, the politicians, the bureaucrats, the academics, members of the media, the corporate ponies.

i'm talking about the people who think they are smarter and more virtuous than the rest of us have told all of us as americans that we have to make a choice. and the choice is, health versus money. and versus dimmick safand if yon about the economy, though certain members of the managerial elite told us, well, you're disgusting, cold, heartless and you don't care about life. and the truth is, it has never been in either/or situation. they both have been important since day one. and here is what i think most americans want from their public officials. they want common sense, and they want their public officials to do everything they possibly can to fight the virus and to keep us safe. and they want us to do

everything we possibly can to get this economy back open. now, the coronavirus can kill you. we know that. it's not going to kill most of us. most of us aren't going to get it. in it's not going to kill but a fraction of those who do get it. but poverty can kill you too. and the truth of the matter is, they were both important. and public officials need to understand that. >> tucker: i'm not sure why more places haven't decided that after two months, more than two months, of nonstop information about this virus, what it does, that people can't make their own decisions about the level of risk they are willing to assume. i mean there are a lot of risks, not just the wuhan virus, right? how about that? >> you have two groups of people in government. i'm not talking about republicans and democrats. you have those who trust government more than people, and

those who trust people more than government. i trust people more than government. some of our public officials have talked to entreated the the american people like they are. the american people ought to know exactly what they are doing. they are plenty smart and they may not read aristotle every day, because they were too busy when government won't allow them. but people understand, they were taking the coronavirus seriously. >> tucker: yes. >> but they value your filmic their jobs as well. they will socially distance. they will follow the rules, but they want to see the economy open. and i think it can be done soon and safe. >> tucker: i think that is right. i, for one, would be happy to trust the professional class if they were not so totally mediocre. they have no idea what they are doing. >> i wish we didn't have to make the choice, but we do. >> tucker: i agree.

>> if we see this economy shut down, we will do permanent damage. now some of the managerial elite will say leave it shut down until we have a vaccine or until we have a therapeutic that we know works. those managerial elites generally have good jobs and don't have to worry about it. >> tucker: yeah, they can get the vaccine first. i look forward to that debate. senator, great to see you tonight. thank you for coming on. senator kennedy of louisiana. and already decided who joe biden must pick as vice president. the person to rent the country and the elect and that would be state register stacey abrams of georgia. who is this person exactly that everyone on television is in love with? we will look at this more deeply and bring you the results of that after the break. ♪ when bugs move in we stress out and spray. well, we used to.

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♪ >> tucker: over the weekend jeff bezos personal newspaper with a georgia politician called stacy's stomach stacey abrams. that is not surprising she has a well-known left democrats and "the washington post" exist for people like that for decades and often have. but even by the usual standard of over-the-top slobbering hackery, this piece that exists in its own category. by the end of the nearly 6,000 words of unmitigated praise, you begin to wonder why no one has religion based on stacey abrams peer of the world's abraham make faith. according to "the washington post," abrams is a lot more than a former state

elected official that goes on television cable a lot. she is a spiritual thinker. indeed she is quite possible the author of redemption. listen to how the thoroughly smitten encounter between stacey abrams and devoted accolades. keep in mind as you hear this, we are not making any of it up. this verbatim "pandemonium as she walks to the far left of the stage like a runway supermodel, stops on a dime, poses, tilts her head slightly and smiles. camera flashes, explodes and abrams with her inner actress and both enjoying the moment in getting through it to get to the conversation. so she's like a supermodel but she is also a superhero. in fact the piece was entitled "the power of stacey abrams." in a comforting photo a superman cape trailing behind her. just in case you missed the point of the piece, this woman

will save the world. and "the washington post" thinks that's possible. the story was designed come of course to push joe biden to pick stacey abrams as the running mate. no one who knows joe biden or watches him carefully thinks he can lead this country and his condition or survey full term in a ceremonial as president by anyone as vice president under joe biden would in fact be president of the united states. all of which raises the obvious question, who exactly is this stacey abrams that we are relentlessly promoting? what example does she do for a living? probably the first question but as it turns out, not much. supposedly, abrams runs political action committee paid for by mike bloomberg and she also serves on a few boards. all in all, it is not a heavy lift all boys. her actual location is being professionally agreed. she served in the georgia state house, a real job and the highest office she has huddled in the georgia state house.

while she was there, she accomplished virtually nothing. we checked. 2016 she did get the bill to order the police to seize by force and all so-called assault weapons in the state. the same would make a felony possession with a high-capacity magazine. and police would have been obliged to see those by force. and that was about it. why do we know her name, because in 2018, stacey abrams lost the georgia governor's race and a postelection she came up short by 55,000 votes, half a percent and a turnout in decades and less by 55,000 votes. and how did abrams respond? she declared herself governor anyway and denounced anyone who disagreed with that as a racist. , as they might have done, and

fellow democrats played along with the fantasy. >> without voter suppression, stacey abrams would be the governor of georgia. >> if this country wasn't racist, stacey abrams would be governor. >> it was the voter suppression particularly if the african-american community that prevented us from having a governor, stacey abrams right now. >> stacey abrams out to be the governor of georgia. friends, racially motivated suppression is permitted. we cannot truly say we live in a democracy. >> this country was not racist. stacey abrams would be governor. by the way as a factual matter, there is literally zero evidence to support that is true or even sort of true, it doesn't matter, the fact that stacey abrams isn't the governor of georgia, despite losing a fair election with the highest voter turnout in decades can only be racism.

that is stacey abrams position. in fact, she is making the same case to get herself selected as the vice presidential nominee. if joe biden doesn't choose stacey abrams, he's racist. speak who do make >> do you think not choosing a woman of color come a black woman actually is a slap in the face to the black female voters? >> i would share your concern of not picking a woman of color but be stomach because black women are the strongest part of the democratic party. we need to reflect the diversity of america. >> tucker: yeah, you need to pick stacey abrams, that is what you need mr. racist guy. say what you will about stacey abrams, there is no mistaking her motives arming. and give her what she wants or she will call you racist. it is simple, and identity politics and of course, abrams' for that too proudly. >> i believe and identity politics.

identity politics are the only politics that win. and did abrams learn that cynical little slogan? yale law school like so many political figures before she went. joe biden fall for this? probably, we can confused and desperate to make the end group, the cool kids. what should the rest of us fall for it? is not being cold racist worth having stacey abrams around the country? and the journalist joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. i wanted to talk because i read something wrote, and really smart, you said how many words can be written about stacey abrams without mentioning a single portion of the legislative record, a state rep or any of her policy proposals or any really anything of subject? why would you write 6,000 words

on stacey abrams without telling readers like what she's done or what she does for a living or what she's about? what would be the point about that? >> i think largely these profiles read like "people" magazine. they are written as if we are talking about a celebrity, they are life, their interest, their hobbies, their respiration. she's done many interviews that she wanted to be president. she never said she wanted to cut poverty by half. she never wanted to end the war in yemen. or who she would appoint to the supreme court. this is a position of power and we are treating it as if it is a position of privilege for someone lucky, a contestant on the bench or someone rising to the monarchy. that have no power or maybe happy for the person doing them. the way the media is treating this is there is no human consequences to have that seat. i find that terribly responsible. honestly, i don't blame her but i blame the news media taking this with no serious at all. >> tucker: she's got a single play and it kind of works.

nobody wants to be denounced as a bigot. get out of her way. i agree. i don't blame her either. >> what is interesting about that and i recorded the story and no one picked it up even though i recorded it at the intercept my remember the black caucus in georgia went to stacey abrams and said, let's refigure stone mountain with a memorial towards a civil war more memorial. she said she wouldn't do it and would not allow the caucus to be pulled on it. so even on those issues commit to a national audience and once you start catering to san francisco, donors, she totally immersed yourself. even theft, not sure if that is a firm commitment or the kind of thing that she plays to reach the audience that she is reaching right now. the state scholarship and went to school on my did not pay a dime intuition because the scholarships with a 3.0 could go to college for free. she got that scholarship. now you have to have 3.7 to get the scholarship which most, 90% of black students in georgia don't have that. she hurt all those people

through those cuts and then she turns around and basically running for vice president to et cetera for president, she never even talks about her legislative record. no one asked her which is the worst part. it is not in her interest to talk about it but why aren't journalists asking her how she used her power in georgia to help people? no one should be elected as president of the united states which is what she's really going for without using power on ordinary working people? she's never demonstrated that she has done that. >> tucker: if i wrote a 6,000 piece on you and never rode your pieces, you are a writer, you would be patronized. of course. so i agree it's not her fault. thank you for that. smart. good to see you. well, for years, we assume that michael flynn was spied on by jim comey's fbi and then unmasked. last week's week's revelations suggest that an even more senator possibility for what really happened. we will tell you what it isn't

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>> tucker: "the washington post" had a busy weekend with a 6,000 word groveling, slobbery profile live stacey abrams. they also put out this op-ed by former obama officials. the piece warns you and i'm recording now, russia is interfering in our elections again. and trump supporter's are emulating russian tactics.

for real, she wrote that. she is like the last japanese soldier on oakland now with emerging from the jungle 20 years later believing the worst. apparently she missed the mueller report which found no evidence of russian collusion. and she brags in light of ignorance commit march 2017 recording i sounded the alarm early with ties between trump, s advisors and kremlin officials. she writes what she thinks. and then she was on to accuse this program of lying about her and emulating russian government tactics. tactics she knows that includes murder. think she's afraid of being taken out and that's why she's not coming on the show. she initially demanded to come on and of course you are always welcome. and then, she ran away. we would love to have her. we would love to ask her directly about her public claims pushing the russian collusion notes. but then she wouldn't come on and we want to present a dramatic reading what she said

behind closed doors to trey gowdy three years ago. remember, this was under seal and you couldn't see it until recently. now you can. we want you to enjoy it. gaudi: why don't we go back to the center? the trump folks if they found out if we knew what we knew with the stats dealing with russians, well, how would you know what the u.s. government at that point, you didn't tell mike you did work for them, didn't you? >> no, i didn't. >> how did you know? farkas come i didn't know anything. gaudi: so you would say we knew, the reality is, you know nothi nothing. evelyn farkas, correct, gaudi, so when you say new, what you really meant was, felt. farkas: correct, gaudi comic you didn't know anything, farkas, correct, that was under oath where evelyn farkas tells the truth, again, always welcome on this show. we won't swear you went before you come but it would be

interesting. it may be to estimate question. so you are always welcome. the michael flynn saga many assume spied on and then unmasked by half of the obama administration by the russian investor. but a recent really interesting piece by frequent show guest makes an interesting, really compelling point. he says that lynn's phone call was never unmasked at all but instead, he argues the facts point to another weirder possibility that the cea was spying on flynn and never followed faisal restrictions on the first place. matt whitaker attorney general and "a brand-new book "above the law" entrances tonight. thank you for coming on. what do you make of this theory that the cia, fisa spied on flynn? >> as you pointed out because he was not unmasked there was no request the time of the phone call on december 29th until

really the white house meeting on january 5th and ultimately the white house chief of staff requested a masking of general flynn, perhaps another explanation because january 3rd of 2017, andy mccabe went to the national security division head at doj and said essentially the contents of the call. so there is a period of time from the 29th of december, 2016 and the meeting between mccabe where someone told mccabe and then mccabe transmitted that information. and there is no unmasking in that period of time. so it is very curious to say the least. >> tucker: so you were in the justice department. explain to us nonlawyers, would it be legal for the cia to spy on american citizens and then leak what they found two other agencies in the media? >> the short answer is no. there are constitutional tenets here at play.

this happened while mr. flynn was out of the country and we don't specifically know where the investor of russia was located appeared it may have been in d.c. or russia so maybe have been under a different program were friendly third country. but the biggest concern is exactly what you pointed out which is this constitutional, violates the fourth amendment, violates all sorts of policies and procedures, but nonetheless january 30, mccabe had the transcript of this verbatim call. >> tucker: no elected leader can run a country in which the biggest law enforcement and agencies operate independently in violation of the constitution, democracy dies under those circumstances. so we have to fix this. it doesn't seem like anybody is really working to fix it. please reassure me that someone is, because i just don't see it. >> well the constitution is ever renewing. we continue to live under of those, and we do need our

elected and appointed executive branch officials, including the intelligence agencies to follow basic tenets of constitutional law. you are right. this country will suffer and suffer greatly if we don't get back to that being the fundamental basis of all of the surveillance programs and making sure that the law and the constitutional is followed every single time. >> tucker: because of unlike mitch mcconnell democrats don't mess around at all and if elected president, the next time one is come i will just fire everybody and put their cousins in charge of these agencies? >> well, hopefully from this painful chapter that we have experienced over the last three years really since the transition of power in 2016 to the trump administration, the intelligence agency have lacked some adult supervision. i think we are seeing folks put in by the trump administration, but there is no promise that when biden, you know, if to get elected would put adults in

charge of the intelligence agency. >> he would put wheels in charge and would be afraid to. that is where we get third world at that point. congratulations on the new book. >> thank you, tucker. >> the coronavirus emerge from wuhan china likely from a lab and the chinese government had quarantine but now another lockdown. why is that exactly? details on that story yet ahead. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> tucker: the state eradicated the coronavirus that came from their country. all the puppets on the tv channel reported that. what a great country, they got rid of it. it looks like the dumbo's spoke too soon. now the communist party of china has placed linens under lockdown

again. why is this? news correspondent tracy gallagher with the latest. >> he took with the new lockdowns in the northeast of china in the province about 140. the population is about 110 million. the lockdowns targeting millions at a time. still it means many schools, businesses public transportation hubs have been shut down. some of them just opened a few weeks ago. so far, there are only 34 new cases of coronavirus unified in jilin and that is what the chinese government says but experts say that it's a question that could quickly get out of hand. the strategy in china is also being used in germany where targeted lockdowns have been activated in three districts. all three flareups associated with meat-packing plants. south korea is ramping up its mass testing after outbreaks linked to a nightclub district in seoul and iran new lockdowns in the southern part of the

country after new outbreaks there. as for how love this might impact a second round of shelter-in-place orders here in the u.s., experts say because the states primarily make their own decisions, in a new flareups will likely be handled in a variety of different ways. but that widescale lockdown are likely to come with widescale resistance. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thank you so much. ♪ >> this pandemic has exposed an awful lot of big problems we were ignoring for quite some time, including dangerous dependence on china's four medicine and a lot more. here is another one, telecommunications. china leads the world in 5g technology. and now they are rolling it out around the world. they continued to dominate 5g, what will it mean for the united states? the longest-serving nasa administrator and by popular

come up we are happy to have you on tonight. thank you for coming on tonight. so why should it make americans concerned that china is leading the race to develop 5g technology? >> well, china is exploiting coronavirus around the world, in americans are suffering. china has declared a cold war against america. it is looking to control the 5g communications. this is the technology of the future. they recognize that this technology is crucial to the next battles that we are going to have. these battles aren't going to be about bombs and bullets and planes and ships and tanks, it is about artificial intelligence. it's about machine learning. it's about economist vehicles, it's about semiconductors, at the first battle is on 5g.

they control 5g and we could even have a surveillance system like the chinese have with every single member of the chinese population surveilled by their own government. >> tucker: so you're -- this seems like a horrifying possibility and so out-of-state that you would never want a halston gnomic hostile foreign power to control your 5g. but the pentagon say no, we have to do this. why would they be pushing chinese dominance and 5g? it is very weird. >> it is very weird because i've been a part of the national security community for half a century. in the way i see it, we have a courageous chairman of the sec. he had a 5-0 unanimous vote bipartisan. they understood the science. they understood the urgency. and yet, there is too much of a bureaucracy in the department of defense which says we can't lose these battles.

and this is a national security issue, but more importantly, 5g is about the future jobs for the people who are sitting at home suffering now. the future jobs in all new fields will come out of the technologies from 5g. china understands it. and right now, they control close to 50% of the world wildest communication equipment. there goes 100%, crush the west. >> tucker: the last president gave away the internet on the social internet. what would it take to prevent 5g from slipping into the hands of china? what do we need to do to stop this? >> listen to the wisdom of the sec. they are the experts of spectrum. they have a deep, they had a 74 page report with 444 references in it. it is based on science. it is based on facts. it is based on an understanding. it is based on years of study.

it is based on open, seeking of information from across america. it is a very good decision. and if we listen to that decision, it will enable an innovative u.s. company called legato and legato within a couple of years working with the rest of the american communication industry, we could be up and running. in this work can be lost in three or two for years. we cannot wait to have a circular gun fight anymore. we need to release legato. >> tucker: i mean, to prevent the chinese from controlling our telecommunications for sure. thank you so much for that. it is a complex subject but it is worth it. i am glad to bring it to attention. good to see you. >> it is more than you think. this is about the future of america. >> tucker: i believe it. thanks. ♪ researchers are racing ahead to develop a coronavirus vaccine. that is the story that will become more significant in the

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>> a lot of good things have come out about hydroxychloroquine. you be surprised how many people are taking it. i happen to be taking it. i happen to be taking it.

>> hydroxychloroquine? >> i'm taking hydroxychloroquine right now. a couple of weeks ago, i started taking it. because i think i've heard a lot of good stories. >> tucker: that was the president earlier today at surprising people in the room by saying he is taking the same antimalaria drug that positions around the world may help contain the coronavirus. many have experimented with hydroxychloroquine because there is no vaccine for this virus. today the company my durna with a human trial of the possible vaccine. the latest on this, the fox medical journalist marc siegel, hey, dr.. >> tucker come i will talk to you about both stories, to start with hydroxychloroquine you know the media will politicize this but i will talk about it medically. this drug, hydroxychloroquine which we used with malaria so you don't get malaria commit is used for lupus and other dermatological problems.

and in the lab, it shows antiviral activity against covid-19 and prevents taken for sales and decreases the inflammation that we are seeing with this virus. how does it work in humans? we have seen studies from italy, france, china that shows it might work early in the course of it. there is a big study in spain and a huge study from the nih looking at this. henry ford hospital in detroit has given it to 3,000 health care workers, tucker to see if it prevents them from getting covid-19. so when the doctor the visit the president's position who i met with and thinks it's quite reasonable ways the options back and forth to prescribe for the president, it is a doctor/patient decision. it should not be challenged. it is a medical decision made between a doctor in a patient. you cannot prescribe off label. so i don't think it is wild or anything like that. i think it is a reasonable commission know and i think that

drug save my father's life. second-story -- >> tucker: i have to say, it is very strange someone's choice of medication would be seen as a political story, do you think? >> ridiculous! it shouldn't be. and that has hydroxychloroquine to take a backseat. this political fighting over the virus with the actual medicine we are seeing here. and i'm deeply disturbed by that. >> tucker: i am too. i'm sorry to interrupt you. >> and i think the president has every right to take this and his doctor who i respect has every right to give it to him. the second stories about the vaccine. the moderna vaccine is very promising. it uses a genetic material. it's never, ever been done before. this strand of genetic material signals your cells to make the protein that the virus has. when you have that protein, your system makes the antibodies we are looking for against a virus. it is new. it is just starting. 45 patients, tucker, guided up in seattle.

all 35 no matter what it does come a low, high, medium, all took it safely. all did well, all did well. it is very exciting. now we move to phase 2600 people get it and we see how effective it isn't just how much immunity you get. if by the end of the year at this is proceeding the way it looks, this could be the lead candidate. we have several candidates, and we could have a workable vaccine to give to millions by early next year. i find this very exciting. i'm very excited by this news. i think the vaccine is what we need here to spread community immunity and to save the world from covid-19. >> tucker: and it really should be the next big story in the development of this remarkable story, this pandemic. dr. siegel, great to see you. thank you so much. >> very important, thank you, tucker. >> tucker: that is it for this hour. we are completely out of time. if you live in a place where you

can get outside khmer advice is to do that, nature's medicine. an outcome of the great sean hannity coming 11 seconds early because it is worth it. the great sean hannity takes over from new york city. >> sean: you know you are a wise person. i'm kidding. great to see you. great on the team. and another trial i want to get into tonight, but yeah, tucker, people want to be open and are being loud. great show as always. >> tucker>> tucker: welcome to "hannity" breaking news on multiple fronts tonight. the people are speaking loud and clear and reopening of america with the sun states like it or not well underway. the businesses are opening the safety measures and plays. nascar is back, golf is beginning to come back in the ratings are massive. wow wonder why. major progress in the race for a vaccine. a biotech