"t ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the problem with assessing political candidates and as you never really know what they are like until they get a hold of power and by then of course it's too late. t the decent ones wield power with restraint and humility. they understand the limits of their own wisdom. human wisdom. they also understand the inevitability of unintended consequences, which is the rule for they know they won't be in charge forever, and so they tread lightly. but the bad ones?bu they go crazy. and the more power they get, the crazier they go. power is the drug they've been searching for. why they went into politics and the first place. not to help you or their fellow citizens or improve society, but

to fill the empty space inside themselves. these are profoundly damaged people. not a single one of them has a functional relationship with their fathers. not one. unfortunately, people like that run a lot of this country right now but they've never had more powerr at any time in their history. asade this pandemic proceeds, cities andar states that cautiously reopened did the rightt thing, reaping the benefits of that. nowhere has the virus surged back at hospitals haven't been overwhelmed. that the rates have not spiked. the time for mass quarantine is passed. in some places and the message in that i'm a lockdowns are becoming more restrictive, not less, and much, much weirder. in illinois, for example, j.b. pritzker, an aging ne'er-do-well who bought the governor's title a year and a half ago for $100 million in inherited money has issued yet another emergency offer. this week come governor pritzker

valves to imprison pothead mayor bill de blasio threatens that anyone who dares to swim will be yanked out of the water because the viruse spread so easily in the water. pothead bill. as we told you friday night, the marriage there told the beachgoers they can walk on the wet sand totally fine emma but not the dry. dry sand is dangerous. on long island, nassau county executive laura karen has band doubles tennis. watch. >> filling in on what those rules are, singles only, no doubles but only every other court. you have to have a court between players, between people playing. every player, unless they are from the same household, has toe bring their own tennis balls. so that you don't touch other people's tennis balls. >> tucker: singles only, no doubles but she wants you to know in nassau county, it's illegal ton touch other people's tennis balls. this is what happens when neurotic dumb people get power.

they do neurotic dumb things. they throw you in jail if you complain about it. thankfully it in spots around the nation, people are starting to remember that this is america. just because like j.b. pritzker would like to stage a coup d'etat does not mean the rest of us would play along bridge sheriffs in illinois will announce that they will enforce j.b. pritzker's orders, they are too stupid, absurd, also unconstitutional. individual americans standing up for themselves and gliders ways. because it controls your smartphone, apple contract travel across the country. that's scary, but in this case it's interesting. here is why. over the past weekend for the first time since the lockdowns began in mid-march, nationwide driving trends were well above the baseline average. that means americans are voting with their feet. they are ignoring the orders, they are breaking their isolation. last week on the show can we talk to a new jersey jim owner named ian smith, vowed to reopen

his jim no matter what. so many in new jersey have died. he is arrested people for attending weddings. you are openly defying him on television. what do you think will happen to you when you do this? >> we are prepared for any and all consequences. our actions on monday are going to be grounded in the ideals of civil to civilians disobedience. we intend to showcase is we reject the premise of essential versus nonessential businesses. >> tucker: smith wasn't joking. his jim reopened and a big crow. the police arrived also. here's what happened next. >> we areo. and were open for safety today but we planned not for the worse but for the best and look on which we have here today. normally, you are all in violation of the executivee or order. on that note, have a good day.

everybody be safe. >> tucker: a touching exchange. happy ending. but it didn't last long. the police as you just heard preferred to believe citizens in peace. they weren't hurting anybody.d but then their supervisor is forced them return with threat threats. >> equally dispersed. if you do not disperse, you could be charged. you can empty the area here. >> tucker: how do things stand at that jam tonight? ian smith joins us now. thanks so much for coming on. however, a lot of people across the country saw the first video which was really a nice moment. the police w understand. >> it was an amazing woman. >> it really was. it brightened my morning. then they came back. why and what happened? >> i assume because they received an order from higher up.

my business partner frank and i received a summons for violating a governor's order. tucker: what are the consequences of that? >> only time is going to tell. my attorney didn't seem to ruffled up by it. neither are frank and i. >> tucker: it sounds like you suspect that the governor, governor murphy, the former golden goldman sachs partner governing yoururt state, the personal integrity on the line. he couldn't let you do this. >> that's certainly what it felt like. i don't know entirely. but, you know, moments earlier, probably about half an hour earlier we had thatpr beautiful exchange with the officers that had been present all day. and whom we've hads nothing but great exchange with. it has been love and positive all day. with the exception of handing over a summons, it remained that

way. >> tucker: i mean, the police striking.s again, as you pointed out, i bet money these guys don't want to be here. they think they've got better things to do and i bet they dohe so that's my question. has all violent crime and didn't in the state of new jersey? is camden a safe place to walk around now? >> i wouldn't go take a stroll, no. >> tucker: so because somebody sent all these cops to your business for the crime of just wanting to make a living, that means other crimes were not prevented. is that, a fair assumption? >> absolutely. there was a heavy police presence starting pretty early in the morning and they helped us maintain order. there were a lot of people there. i am thankful for that. i am sure that their job could've been done better elsewhere. i'm sure there were other calls that needed to be handled. for the most part, we were self-reliant and responsible. and peaceful.

>> tucker: you told us in detail how to make the gym is saved in time of trans visible disease and sounds like you really thought thatmi through. the governor apparently is threatening you and your business partner, anybody who shows up is going to get a next level kind of punishment. what do you think that means? >> i'm not entirely sure but we are ready for thee consequences. one of our members have already started a gofundme and for all of our members and staff as well as frank and i. we intend to open up tomorrow. expressed more than happy to represent all of us. >> tucker: i'm sure you got in the business because youth care about fitness, not because he wanted to engage in acts of civil disobedience. do you look at your life and wonder how you got here? >> [chuckling] it's been a pretty crazy week.

i put out a public statement on instagram a week ago and i've been on "the tucker carlson sh show," i've been on el mack had a tremendous amount of support from people all over the country and people seem really energized by this idea that it's okay to stand up for what you believe in and that we can get back to being a prosperous nation. at the same time,, being safe ad upholding the ideas of public health and public safety and i think that we prove that that's today. >> tucker: what i find so striking about this story is that you are so obviously not any kind of extremists. you seem likere an even-tempere, sensible person trying to do the right thing and governor goldman sachs is coming down on you so i hope you'll come back if this story moves in unexpected directions. godspeed tomorrow. thank you for joining us. >> that would be my pleasure. i thank you. >> tucker: thank you for

joining tonight by senator john kennedy of louisiana. a state that's been hit pretty hard. thanks so much for joiningne us tonight. i don't know if you plan to go to long island this summer but you should know that doubles tennis is banned, it's illegal. but singles is allowed and in new york swimmers will be yanked out of the water in los angeles. wet sand is fine. dry sand is dangerous. but assess the science they are, you would. >> tucker, i understand mr. smith's frustration. here's the problem, in my opinion. since the inception of this plume of misery that we find ourselves in, many members of the managerial elite, the insurance politicians, the bureaucrats, the academics, members of the media, the corporate phonies. i'm talking about the people who think they are smarter and more

virtuous than the rest of us. they have told all of us as americans that we have to make a choice. the choice is health versus money. lives versus livelihoods. safe versusus soon. if you express any concern about the economy, those certain members of the managerial elite told us, well, you are disgusting, you are cold, heartless, don't care about li life. and the truth is it's never been an either or situation. both have been important from day one and here's what i think most americans want from their public officials. they want common sense, they want public official to do everything they possibly can to fight the virus and to keep us safe, they want us to do everything they possibly can to get the economy back open.

the coronavirus can kill you. we know that. it's not going to kill most of us. most of us aren't going to get it. and it's not going to kill but a fraction of those who do get it. but poverty can kill you too. and the truth of the matter is they are both important. public officials need to understand. that. >> tucker: i'm not sure why more places haven't decided thae after two months, more than two months of nonstop information abouto mo this virus, what it d, that people can't make their own decisions about the level of risks they are willing to assume. there are a lot of risks in life, not just wuhan the virus. what about that? >> >> you have two groups and government. you have those who trust government more than people. and to those who trust people

more than government. i trust people more than government. some of our public officials have talked to and treat the american people likehe they are. the american people know exactly what they are doing. they are plenty smart. and they may not read every day, because they have the government allowing them. and people understand, they take the coronavirus seriously. but they value their jobs as well. and they are going to socially distance. they are going to follow the rules. but they want to see that economy open. and i think that it can be done soon and safe. >> tucker: i would be happy to trust the professional class if they weren't so totally mediocre and did not know what they were deing. >> i wish we did not have to make the choice. but we do. if we leave this economy shut

down, we will do permanent damage. some of the managerial say that we will leave it shut down until we have a vaccine or until we have therapeutic that we know works. those general elites generally have good jobs and don't need to worry about it. >> tucker: they can get the vaccine first. i look forward to that debate. it's great to see you tonight. thank you so much for coming on. the media has already decided who joe biden must pick as vice president. the person who will run the country if he is elected. that would be state legislator stacy abrams of georgia. who is that person exactly that everyone on television is talking about? we will look a little bit more deeply and talk more about that after the break. ♪

♪ >> tucker: over the weekend jeff bezos personal newspaper ran a profile over stacy abrams. by itself that's not very surprising. she is a well-known left-wing democrat, in "the washington post" exists. and it often has. but even by the usual standards of over-the-top slobbering hackery, this piece exists in its own category. t by the end of a nearly 6,000 words of unmitigated praise, you begin to wonder why no one has yet formed a religion based on stacy abrams. the world's fourth grade abraham hammock faith. according to "the washington post," abrams is a lot more than just a former state elected official that goes on cable television.

she is a spiritual figure. indeed, she is quite possibly the author of our redemption. listen to how thoroughly smitten the reporter describes betweensm stacy abrams and her accolades. and as you hear this, we are not making any of a it up to be mea. this is verbatim "pandemonium ensues as she walks to the far left of the stage like a runway supermodel. stops on a dime, poses, tilts her head slightly and smiles. to the camera explode. abrams summoning her inner actress. enjoying the moment and getting through it to get to the conversation." so she is like a supermodel, but she is also a superhero. the piece was entitled "the power of stacy abrams." in the accompanying photo, she poses like superman, cape trailing behind her. just in case you missed the point of the piece, this woman is going to save the world. and "the washington post" thinks that's possible.

the post was designed to push joe biden to pick stacy abrams as his running mate. no one who knows joe biden or watches and carefully knows that he could lead the country in this position or even serve a term ceremoniously as president. anybody who serves as vice president under joe biden would in fact be president of the united states. all of which raises the obvious question, what exactly is this stacy abrams who is promoted? what does she do for a living? probably the first question. as it turns out, not much. supposedly she runs some sort of political action committee paid for by mike bloomberg. she also serves on a few boards. all in all, it's not a heavys lift job wise. abrams actual vocation is being professionally aggrieved. she served in the georgia state house. that's a real job. it's the highest office she has ever held in the georgia state house. while she was there, she accomplished, let's see,

virtually nothing. we checked. 2060 and she did not get political asleep or sponsoring the bill that would've ordered police to seize it by force, also called assault weapons in the state. sthe same one that was a felony that she called a high-capacity magazine, and once again, they would've been obliged to seize those by force. she did that, and that's about it. why do we know her name? because in 2018 stacy abrams lost the georgia governor. and s it was not despite what ty tell you in a close election, she came up short by 55 votes. 5 that's only half a percent. and this was the highest voter turnout in decades. she still lost by 55,000 votes. how did she respond? well, she pretended it never happened. she declared herself governor anyway and announced anybody who disagreed as a racist. while, instead of calling the state mental health authorities like they would have done, her fellow democrats played along with the fantasy.

>> without voter suppression, stacy abrams would be the governor of georgia. >> if this country was not racist, stacy abrams would be governor. >> it was the voter suppression, particularly of african-american communities that prevented us from having a governor stacy abrams right now. >> stacy abrams ought to be the governor of georgia. when racially motivated voter suppression is permitted, we cannot truly say that we live in a democracy. >> tucker: this country is not racist, stacy abramshi will be governor. as a factual matter, there is literally a zero evidence to support that that is true or even sort of true. it does not matter. the fact that stacy abrams is not the governor of georgia, despite losing a fair election itwith the highest voter turnout in decades can only be racism. that is stacy abrams' decision. in fact, she is making the same case to get herself selected as

the vice presidential nominee. if joe biden does not choose stacy abrams, he is racist. >> do you think that not choosing a woman of color, a black woman, actually is a slap in the face to the black female voters? >> i would share your concern about not picking a woman ofce color, because women of color, particularly black women are the strongest part of the democratic party. we need to have a ticket that reflects the diversity of america. >> tucker: yes, a ticket with stacy abrams on it. eeat's what you need, mr. racist guy, stay what you want about stacy abrams. she is not subtle. there is no mistaking heriv meaning. give heres what she wants, or se will call you racist. another word for that tactic is identity politics. and of course, she is the four that too. >> this is identity politics. i believe in identity politics. those are the only politics that win. [applause]

we have an identity too. >> tucker: "identity politics are the only politics that win." or did abrams learn that cynical little slogan? probably at yale law school like so many politically oppressed characters before her went to. will joe biden fall for this? probably. he is weak and confused and desperate to make the in group, the cool kids. but should the rest of us fall for it? is not being called a racist worth having her run the country? that's really the question. the independent journal, joining us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on tonight, i wanted to talk to you today, because i read something that struck me as a piece of media criticism coming aside, how many words canou be -- writn about stacey abrams withoutco legislation record or any other policy proposals or anything of content? why would you write 6,000 words on stacey abrams without telling readers what she has done or

what she does for a living. >> i think largely of these profiles what you've read in "people" magazine. they are read as if we are reading about a celebrity, their aspirations. and in many different years there were times where she wanted to be president. she never said that she wanted to cut poverty in america by half. or end the war in yemen. or who she would appoint to the supreme court. this is a position of power and we are treating it as if it is a position of privilege for a lucky contestant on "the bachelor" or somebody rising to the top of the british monarchy. maybe we are happy for the person doing them. the way that the media is treating the contest is that there is no human consequence as to who has that seat. and i find that terribly irresponsible. and i don't blame her, i really blame they news media taking ths with no seriousness at all. >> tucker: she has a single play that kind of works. nobody wants to be denounced as a bigot. i get it.

i agree. i don't blame her either. i'm rooting for her. >> i reported the story. nobody picked it up even though i reported it at the intercept. after shooting the legislative black caucus, they went to stacey abrams inside, maybe we should move it away from being a confederate memorial. and she said she did not want to do it. she would not even allow her caucus to be pulled on it. so she moves to cater a national audience, once you go to san francisco and new york city donors, she picks up the issue. so even with that, i'm not sure that that is a firm commitment on her part or the issue that she plays to reach the audience that she is reaching right now. the state scholarship i went to school, and i did not pay a dime intuition, because they set up a color ship -- scholarship that anybody with 3.0 could go for free. now you have to have a 3.7 to get that scholarship. which i think 90% of black students in georgia i don't have that. she hurt all of those people through those cuts. and then when she turns around and basically is running for

vice president, setting yourself up for president, she never talks about her legislative record. nobody asks her. that's the worst part. it's in her interest and not talk about it. but why aren't journalists asking her about how she used her power to help people? nobody should be elected to the president of united states without having use their power on behalf of ordinary workingwh people. and she has never demonstrated that she has known that. >> tucker: if i wrote a 6,000 word piece on you i never read any of your pieces, you are a writer, you would be patronized by that, of course. so i agree, it's not her fault. it's the media's fault. thank you for that. it's smart. good to see you. ♪ for years we assumed thate michael flynn was spied on by jim comey's fbi and then unmasked. but last week's revelation suggests an even more sinister possibility for what really happened. we'll tell you what it is in just a minute. ♪ ju

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on okinawa emerging from the jungle believing that we are still going. apparently she meant the mueller report which had no evidence of russia collusion. she brags in light of her ignorance at a march 2017 "i sounded the alarm early regarding ties between trump, his advisors, and kremlin officials." she writes like she thinks. then she goes on to accuse this program of lying about her and emulating russian government tactics! tactics that include murder. maybe she is afraid of being taken out, and that's why she is not coming on the show.mi she initially demanded it. of course, you're always welcome to come on. and then she ran away and would not come. we would love to have her. we would love to ask her directly about her very public plans pushing the russia collusion hoax. but since she woulder not come u we would like to present a dramatic reading of what she said behind closed doors to trey gowdy three years ago.

you cannot see this until recently. nowow you can. we want you to enjoy it. so here it goes. why don't we go back to that sentence. the trump folks as they found out how we knew what we knew about their staff dealing with russians. how would you know what the u.s. government knew at that point? you did not work for them, did you? no, i didn't. then how did you know? i did not know anything, gaudi, so when you say, we knew the reality is that you knew nothi nothing. evelyn farkas, correct. gowdy, so when you say kre, what you really meant was felt. correct. and gowdy, you did not know anything? that is under oath where evelyn farkas' were the truth. we will not swear you in before you come, but it will be interesting to be to ask some questions. you are always welcome.

while, from the michael flynn saga, many assume that he was spied on and then unmasked by half the obama administration due to the surveillance of the russian ambassador. but in a recent international review by andy mccarthy making it a really interesting ands compelling point. he says that flynn's phone call was never unmasked at all. instead, he argues that the facts point to another weirder possibility that the ca was spying on his call, and never followed the fisa restrictions in the first place. matt whitaker, former acting attorney general. and above the law, the inside story of how the justice department tried to subvert president trump. thanks so much for coming on. what do you make of this theory that the cia ignored fisa and spied on flynn. >> there was no request from the point of that phone call on december 29th, until really the white house meeting on

january 5th, when ultimately, the white house chief of staff requested unmasking of general flynn. there has to o bef some other explanation. because on january 3rd of 2017, andy mccabe went to the national security division head at doj, and said essentially the contents of the call. and there is a period of time from the 29th of december until that meeting between mccabe and moccorik where somebody told him the translation. and no unmasking in that period of time. so it is curious to say the least. >> you were in the justice department, explained to us nonlawyers, would it be legal fors the cia to spying on americans and leak what they found two other agencies in ther media? >> the short answer is no. is there constitutional tenants here that are at play. this happened while mr. flynn

was out of the country. and we don't specifically know where the ambassador to russia was located. it may have been in d.c. or russia. so this could've been intercepted by the cia during a different program, or doing a third party. but thedl concern is what you point out which is the constitutional -- that it violates the fourth amendment and all sorts of policies and procedures. but nonetheless, and january 13th, mccabe had the transcript verbatim of this ca call. >> tucker: no elected leader can run a country where the biggest law enforcement operate independently of the constitution. democracy dies under those circumstances. so we have to fix this. it does not seem like anybody is really working to fix it. please reassure me that someone is. because i don't see it. >> the constitution is ever renewing. and we continue to live under those. and we do need our elected and appointed executive branch

officials including the intelligence agencies to follow basic tenants of constitutional law.s it is you're right, this country will suffer and suffer greatly if we don't get back to that being the fundamental basis of all these surveillance programs and making sure that the law and the constitution has followed it every single time. >> tucker: because unlike mitch mcconnell, democrats don't mess around at all. if a democrat is elected president, aren't they just going to fire everybody and put their cousins in charge of the agency. >> hopefully from the painful chapter that we have experienced over thein last three years, really sinceex the transition of power in 2016 to the trump administration, the intelligence agencies have lacked some adult supervision. i think that we are seeing folks put in by the trump administration, but there is no promise that when biden, if he gets elected would put adults in charge of the intelligence agency. >> tucker: he would be afraid

not to. that's when we go through the tothird world. matt whitaker, thank you so much. congrats on the new book. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the coronavirus emerge from wuhan china, likely from a lab. the chinese government inventing mass quarantine. now headed into another lockdown. why is that exactly? details on that story ahead. ♪ when bugs move in we stress out and spray. well, we used to. new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. new ortho home defense max. bugs gone. stress gone.

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♪ >> tucker: eradicating the coronavirus in their country come all the puppets on our tv channels, what a great country, they got rid of it, unlike us. oh, looks like the dumbo spoke too soon. now the communist party has placed millions under lockdown, again, why is this?

chief correspondent trace gallagher has more on this. on this. to speak of the new lockdowns are happening in the northeast of china, about 1400 miles north of wuhan, and it's about 110 million, the lockdowns are targeting tens of thousands at a time. and still means many schools, businesses, transportation hubs are shut down. p some of them just opening a few weeks ago. so far, only 34 new cases of coronavirus identified where the chinese government says. but that is a cluster that could quickly get out of hand. the strategy in china is also being used in germany where he targeted lockdown has been w activated in three districts. all three flareups associated with meat-packing plants. south korea is ramping up its mass testing program once again for outbreaks linked to a nightclub district in soeul. and new outbreaks there. as how it will impact the order,

and primarily making their own decisions. any new flareups will likely be handled in a variety of different ways, but that widescale lockdown are likely to come with widescale resistance. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks so much. ♪ this pandemic has exposed a lot of big problems we were ignorint for quite some time including america's dangerous dependence on china for medicines and a lot more. here's another in the telecommunications. china leading the world in developing 5g technology, and another rolling out around the world. if we continue to dominate 5g, what will it mean forth the united states? >> it is the longest-serving mass administrator, and by popular claim, thead best. happy to have him on tonight.

thanks so much for coming on. so why should it to make americans concerned that china is leading the race in 5g technology? >> well, china is exploiting coronavirus around the world, and americans are suffering, china has declared a cold war against america. it is looking to control the 5g communications. this is the technology of the future. they recognize that this technology is crucial for the next battles that we will have. these battles will not be about bombs and bullets and planes and ships and tanks. it's about artificial intelligence. it's about machine learning. it's about autonomous vehicles. it's about semiconductors, and the first battle on the 5g, they control 5g. we can even have a surveillance

system like the chinese have where every single member of the chinese population is surveilled byby their own government. >> tucker: this seems like a horrifying possibility and you would never want a hostile foreign power to control your 5g network. and i hear government officials say, no, no, we have to do this. why would they be pushing chinese dominance to 5g? it's very weird. >> it's very weird, because i have been a part of the national security community for half a p century.ce in the way i see it, we have a courageous chairman of the fcc, he had a 5-0 unanimous vote, bipartisan. they understood the science. they understood the urgency, and too much of a bureaucracy in the department of defense, which says that we can't lose these battles. and this is the national security issue.

but more importantly, 5g is about the future jobs for the people who are sitting at home suffering now.in the future jobs in all new fields are going to come out all of technologies from 5g, china understands it. and right now they control close to 50% of the world wireless communication equipment. their goal is 100%. crush american, and crush the west. >> tucker: the last president gave away the internet, what would it take to prevent 5g from slipping into the hands of china?a? what do we need to do to stop this? >> listen to the wisdom of the sec -- fcc, they are the experts at spectrum. they had a 74 page report with 444 references in it. it is based on science. it is based on facts. it's based on understanding. it is based on years of study. it is based on open seeking of

information from across america. it is a very good decision. and if we listen to that decision, it will enable an innovative u.s. company called lagota and working with the american communication industry, we can be up and running. and the war could be lost in three or four coyears. we can't wait and have a circular gun fight anymore. we need to release a lagato. >> tucker: we need to prevent the chinese from having our communication, for sure. thank you so much for that. it's complex, but important. good to see you. >> it is more than you think. this is about the future of america. >> tucker: i believe it. thanks. well, researchers are racing ahead to develop a coronavirus vaccine. that's the story that is going to be more significant in the upcoming months. and then there is this, the

president just started taking one drug to prevent coronavirus. which drug is it? dr. siegel assesses both of those stories after the break. ♪

>> a lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy you'd be surprised how many people are taking it and i happened to be taking it. >> hydroxy koto?

>> right now. yeah. a couple weeks ago i started taking it i heard a lot of good stories. >> tucker: that was the president earlier today surprising people in the room by saying he's taking the same antimalaria drug that corporationsti think they may contain the coronavirus. there still no vaccine for the virus entire day the farmer company announced the early human trial of a possible vaccine and the latest on all on this, dr. marc siegel joining us now and hey, doctor. >> tucker, talking to you about both stories and with hydroxychloroquine, you know the media's going toto politicize ts but i'm going toch talk about it medically. this drug, hydroxychloroquine which we used in millions of people against malaria prophylaxis so you don't get malaria and used for lupus and other room at the logical problems in the top rheumatologist told me that in

the lab it shows antiviral activity against covid-19 and it prevents s uptake in the cells d also decreases the inflammation that we are seeing with this virus now does it work w in humans, we've seen some studies in italy, france, china that show it might work early in the course of it and the big study in spain right now in a huge study from the nih looking at this. henry ford hospital and detroit givenhi it to 3,000 health care workers, tucker, to see if it prevents them from getting covid-19 so when dr. sean connolly the president's physician who i've met with and think is quite reasonable, when you see the options back and forth, he decides to prescribe it, it's a doctor-patient decision ends a medical decision made it between a doctor and the patient and you can prescribe off label. i don't think it's mild or anything like that and i think it's reasonable and you know about the drug saved my father's life. second-story, -- >> tucker: i just have to say,

it's very strange that some medication would be a political story, do you think? >> ridiculous! it shouldn't be and that's why hydroxychloroquine taking a back seat and political fighting over the virus interferes with the actual medicine we are seeing here. and the peopl i'm deeply distury this. >> tucker: i am too. >> and the president has every right to take this and i respect his t every right to give it to him and second-story about the vaccine, the vaccine is very promising. it uses a genetic material and it's never been done before. this brand of genetic material signals your cells to make the protein that the virus has, and when you have that protein your immune system makes the antibodies we are looking for against the virus. it's new, it's just starting in 45 patients up in seattle, all 45 no matter what dose they got,

low, high, medium, all made the antibodies and all tickets safely. all did well. all did well in it's very exciting and now we move this phase two and 600 people get it and we see how effective it is and just how much immunity youeo get. if by the end of the year this is proceeding the way it looks, this could be the lead candidates and several candidates and we could have a workable vaccine to give to millions by early next year. i find this very exciting and excited by the news and i think that the vaccine is what we need here to spread community immunity. to save the world from covid-19. >> tucker: to be the next big story in the development of this remarkable story, of this pandemic. dr. siegel, great to see you tonight and thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> tucker: that's it for this hour, were completely out of time and a place where you can get outside or places to do that and nature's medicine.

now, the great sean hannity coming 11 seconds early because it's worth it. sean hannity taking over from new york city. >> sean: you know you're a wise person and great to see oh, great news on the vaccine and another trial we will get into a bike, tucker, but, yeah, people are -- they wanted open and there being very loud. great show as always. welcome to because hannity" big breaking news on multiple fronts tonight in the wheel puttin reof america is well underway. the people are speaking loud and clear and reopening of america with the sun states like it or not well underway. the businesses are opening the safety measures in place. nascar is back, golf is beginning to come back in the ratings are massive.esnd wow wonder why. major progress in the race for a vaccine. a biotech giant, moderna saying promising results. human testing actually creating antibodies. we will talk more aboutcc it. also, we will review the lessons learned from