ivanka, we thank you for the support you've just shown to us. it's so meaningful. together we get through this and we do beat this and we keep the highest quality, safest and most sustainable protein sources on the plate of americans all through this and we thank you. speak to thank you. okay, any questions really qui quick? >> the aide directed towards cattlemen and chicken farmers and workers who have had to euthanize their flocks already because of the pandemic? >> do you want to answer that question? >> this particular direct payment is not directly for that. there will be a help coming through rcs over the euthanasia and disposal coming that way. so there will certainly be

directed there. that will be after this is announced and we get more data. there are still a lot of rumors out there about what's actually happening and we want to get the facts and make policy based on good data. >> mr. president, i was sure administration addressing the comorbidity that secretary azar said it is responsible for a lot of the coronavirus deaths, obesity and hypertension and diabetes which is obviously very connected to our food supply? >> president trump: well i think we want people in this country to be healthy. we want them to be happy and we want them to have all the benefits that you could have including gat great health care. that includes pre-existing conditions and we have done a terrific job on health care. then we got hit by a plague like no one has ever seen before outside of maybe 1917 and i think we have done an incredible

job in producing ventilators and producing testing right now. we probably saw the number is growing, 12 million tests. that's three times more or four times more than any country in the world. we are talking about countries that have done a good job, nobody has done testing like us plus we have a highest quality test. very simply we want our people to be healthy. >> so how are you addressing that? >> we want to get people great food and that's one of the reasons why we have our farmers and ranchers involved. you say this is a probability -- what is a problem here? >> i heard sonny speaking about it yesterday and it's a very small number but we have cattle coming in. we have tremendous amounts of supply and cattle, tremendous supply. our farmers have done at an incredible job and now the distribution is being made much

better than it has been. i think it will be much better than it has ever been. but i'm saying, why are we bringing in cattle, old trade deals, where route bringing in cattle from other countries? in some cases i thought your answer was very good. they've been great allies and been working with us for many years. sometimes we need at the cattle and sometimes we don't, it's a farming business. but i would say generally speaking unless the slick is a country that's been with us, we need the cattle. >> you sent a letter last night to w.h.o. what do they need to do -- >> president trump: i don't want to go through it, but basically they have to clean up their act. we are not going to be involved with them anymore and we will do it a separate way.

>> some workers are so concerned and they want the government to do more to make sure that meat-packing companies are keeping their workers safe, protective equipment. is there any more that you plan to do so you can make sure that they will keep their workers safe? >> president trump: i've been working with the plants since this came up and what we've done -- they've done it a lot in terms of shields and other things but they had a disproportionately high number of people that had the problem and that's going away. the plan plants are very clean w and i think we had a report that they were cleaner than they had ever been. they are doing a very good job i think right now in terms of the production act and in terms of what we are enforcing.

but the meat-packing plants are coming online, many of them are online and fewer and fewer problems are being seen. if we didn't act, we would have had a big problem. if someone was in this position, it's something that we were very much involved in. >> did we extend the ban on travel? >> we are very close to canada. we just signed a usmca which is a big deal and that's with mexico and canada and we are dealing with that subject. also on the southern borders, the wall is going up very rapidly, 182 miles and wherever we have the wall is just ended. people coming into our country illegally. people, mostly women, and they

were stopping traffic and they have had an incredible power and strength on what. by pretty early next year, will have 450-500 miles of wall fully built. we are doing a great job on the border. one of the lowest numbers we've ever had of people coming in, and moving them out of sadness they come in. we are moving them out immediately. meaning the less in modern history. >> reporter: nonessential trade, are you going to extend the ban you put in place on nonessential trade? >> president trump: for now, but as things clean up in terms of the plague, we are both going to want to do the normal. everything we want to get back to normal. i think we'll have a fantastic

year next year. i think we will do very well in the fourth quarter and i think the transition quarter was just coming up. we are starting very shortly and the third quarter. you're going to see some great numbers in the fourth quarter, and you end up doing a great job next year. look at the states opening up, they are busy, and the numbers are i interestingly going down. florida and georgia, their numbers are going down. we are very confident that we are going to have a tremendous, tremendous turnaround. we had to turn it off artificially, and i we are turning it back on. you're going to see some tremendous numbers. thank you very much, i'm going over to capitol hill. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> harris: the president of the united states, making a very important and big announcement on dealing with the food insecurity and issues around access to food for so many

millions of americans who have lost their jobs, and putting together a food box program for them. but also, rescuing or at least giving some relief to another part of our economy that has suffered mightily. the usda's ad marketing service and i will partner with national, regional, and local suppliers, and the government will purchase up to $3 billion in produce, dairy, and meat products, and then suppliers will package that to meet the need of those families across america through the food box program. a tremendous announcement today, given the fact that we are now getting a real idea of food desert conditions in the sum of our biggest urban areas, and some of the hardest-hits of covid-19, as well, across the country. what those issues are. places like detroit, here in new york, areas where they don't have access to markets and grocery stores immediately on every corner the way they do in

other parts of the country. getting food supply to them. some areas have set up free food lines, but this hits it in a package program with fresh produce. we'll be following to see how this goes. the president was also asked about covid-19 with regard to the meat-packing plants. i want to bring everybody on the virtual couch in on that point. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. emily compagno, attorney and fox news contributor. en carley shimkus, fox news headlines 24/7 reporter. in the center box today, fox news political analyst and cohost of "the five," juan williams is here. he's "outnumbered." good to see you. juan, i will start with you. i was talking about the meat packaging areas, and we know that coronavirus has been really bad at them. iola, south dakota has had this. the president said they are looking into that. your response, after hearing all of that from the president and kind of hitting the need with

food insecurity today? >> i think it's quite political in terms of what's been going on with the farmers, harris. as you know, and as the president mentioned, in some cases we've seen farmers have to kill livestock. pigs, cows, and the like, because the meat-packing plants have been slow in terms of their processing, because of the spread of -- it's been a huge problem. we have to somehow respond to it. the president has not had much in terms of a ford-looking response. but apparently the import of beef and pork from mexico in particular has caused them to say, "wait a second, we want to make sure we are protecting the farmers." i think it is good news for the farmers that he is taking some steps. as you pointed out very astutely, what we have is we have food deserts in some places. it's kind of a terrific irony,

isn't it? on the one hand you have farmers killing livestock while other people are going hungry who would definitely benefit from it. so it's a good opportunity to bring those two together and solve a problem. >> harris: i do want to point out, emily, i think you and i have talked about this before this. coronavirus covid-19, the pandemic, did not create the food insecurity in america. it is kind of revealed them. putting these two processes together to salvage rather than throw out what we produce but then give access to people, that food is not going to walk itself to urban areas. we are this come together. your thoughts about what is about to kind of unfold with regard to the white house leadership on this? >> emily: that's exactly right, harris. if there is a silver lining at all to this, it's the fact that hopefully now there are nation wide eyes on the notion of those who deserts that really take place in urban areas, lower

income, and communities with people of color. that's something everyone should be concerned about. it's in stark contrast to the neighboring areas next to this food deserts where there is a big saturation of that access. that is something to watch out for and hopefully we'll see improvements on that. what struck me about that press conference is the president of the american farm bureau federation said the supply chain of food in america is as important as the military, and it should be a matter of national security. he said if you look at the hashtag, #stillfarming, you will see the stories of these farmers dedicated to putting food on the table. if the supply chain is broken, as are elements where the american public and the average citizen are unaware about them, that's where the bottom is falling out. moving forward, i think another highlight will be if we bring that end, if something like this happens again, there won't be such a reverberating drop in such a disconnect between wealth and charity in food.

>> harris: melissa, the president was hit with a critical issue during this period it was another one of those moments where he said he was going to look forward and really get all that hard data. juan touched on it. it was the issue of euthanasia and disposal in terms of the meat that is out there right now, the cattle, the livestock that are sitting. that is something that he really wants to get some hard data on, the president said. what is your take when it comes to really how much we are talking about with all those farms? that's quite a bit of money, really. >> melissa: it is. the numbers involved in this story are huge. what he's done here -- and i'm glad you teed me up for that -- we're talking $3 billion in fresh produce, $461 million in fresh fruit and produce specifically. $258 million worth of meat products, and $175 million in combination boxed fresh produce. he's talking about taking that

food that was otherwise going to waste because of all of the disruptions we've had. sometimes that food is heading towards a school. they no longer needed. it's not easy to instantly change who your customer is, and we've seen this kind of inventiveness on a smaller scale with restaurants, right? restaurants have food they ordered that they can't use. they are packaging it up and don't get to hospitals, to shelters, or people are sponsoring that and paying those restaurants to feed this population. this is really the same thing. it's just a much harder problem. when you have a farm that's filled with these items. it's americans working together. it's hard to find something negative to say about it. i know for sure all the haters will. he definitely -- it shows ingenuity, and people really wanting to solve problems and help each other. >> harris: well, and you heard the secretary, sonny perdue, department of agriculture, just talking about the nature of the

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governor andrew cuomo right now doing his daily press briefing, and he just said the state will allow ceremonies of ten people or fewer together for memorial day. but he also added that local governments, smaller governments, it could be a town, can decide they will not allow that within their community if they do so choose. but he is saying, on a statewide level, it is fine to commemorate memorial day with ten or fewer people gathered. senate judiciary committee chair lindsey graham announcing his panel will vote june 4th on whether to subpoena top obama administration officials in its investigation of the origin of the russia probe. graham says the subpoena would cover "a number of documents, communications, and testimony from witnesses, including james comey, andrew mccabe, james clapper, john brennan, sally yates, and others." in the meantime, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell argues the move is necessary. >> no matter what some

washington democrats may try to claim, you are not crazy or a conspiracy theorist if you see a pattern of institutional unfairness toward this preside president. you would have to be blind not to see one. you'd have to be blind not to see one. >> melissa: this comes after attorney general bill barr said yesterday he does not expect a criminal investigation of former president obama and former vice president joe biden. and, carley, for me it goes back to this idea of a president or an administration leaving office and telling the whol holdovers y can use their judgment going forward if they want to turn over information or results from an investigation over to the new incoming president. that sets a scary precedent. >> carley: yeah, and it looks like there's going to be another investigation into the 2016 presidential election. this is the song that doesn't

end, and i'm sure people are very excited to pay attention more to the people in the row behind the people that are actually testifying, to tweet about them. i do want to focus a little bit about what bill barr said yesterday, about how he doesn't anticipate joe biden and barack obama to be part of a criminal investigation. i think that was him signaling to republicans and maybe even the president to sort of pump the brakes on the michael flynn "obamagate" situation. you do have to keep in mind that unmasking is not a crime. leaking that information to the press is a crime. there were so many egregious things that happened, especially with the fbi, with fisa warrants, carter page, strange thing that happened with 302 forms involving michael flynn, that you don't need to sensationalize this and bring this to a level that we don't know is actually true, in

calling this "obama-gate," or criminalizing the former president. >> melissa: juan? >> juan: i think carley's onto something. i think that's right. to me, the news that attorney general barr announced yesterday, no investigation of biden or even obama, what i think of is a phony obama-gate thing, that's totally a political distraction. it came as a surprise to president trump. he said he didn't know that. i think the president really thought, "wait a second, obama knew all about this, biden knew all about this!" he wants to continue down that path. for bill barr, a guy who has been charged with being so partisan as attorney general, to say that, i thought, was upstanding. i think it was good news for us as the american people. we don't need the incumbent president conducting a political probe of the former president. that is third world.

we don't need it. >> melissa: yeah. emily, juan is right. this is a situation where you have attorney general barr showing that he is going to do his own thing and follow the law. he talked about the fact that he doesn't think it is wise to politicize these institutions, to go and attack the administration that was in before you. which is interesting, because it stands in contrast to sort of laying a trap to the administration coming after you. >> emily: exactly. i think that's why it's difficult for a lot of people to swallow the fact that was uncovered in this recent motion, which was outlined in a recent motion by the doj to deport, it was uncovering the politicization and identifying the corruption at that point. and people were interpreting that to be the corruption it was trying to stamp out. so it sort of the pot calling the kettle black. i do want to say that, in regard to his statements about not criminally prosecuting and not anticipating a criminal investigation to either obama or

biden, that doesn't mean that there won't be accountability and other forms. first of all, they might be a criminal prosecution of other individuals not named. secondly, there is a whole civil division of the department of justice. there are civil measures of accountability that we might see. especially with a senate judiciary committee and are beginning that subpoena authorization process, there's a whole investigation potentially in the future. it remains to be seen what questions are asked, what is uncovered, and what ultimately they might refer. i think it matters to me is the investigation into the predicate. we sort of jump from step one to step 50, and the nation saw its resources being spent in large amounts and time down this rabbit hole. we sort of have come around full circle and are now looking into that fundamental beginning. it might be a completely flimsy fundamental jumping off point, and at most, what might be an incredibly disturbing and criminal use of our nation's intelligence resources to

prosecute individuals. >> melissa: harris, that is good point. that reminds me of when the whole coronavirus pandemic started, there was an impeachment going on. looking back, everything that sort of lead to that, was that a waste of time and resources? >> harris: so, we can talk about that, because democrats have just told the supreme court of an ongoing new impeachment inquiry in an effort to obtain mueller materials. we are getting this information in yesterday, but now there is more detail on it after they told the supreme court this yesterday. they are in the midst of another presidential impeachment investigation as part of their way to constitutional responsibility. melissa, you asked a good question. are these things just sort of exercises that we go through for political fake, or do they have some kind of meaning? emily is pointing out that, yeah, we might want to find out the origins to that investigation, that russia probe, because things were more

than untoward. there was anything criminal, it doesn't have to be per obama or biden. he could have been others. we know the long list of unmasking requests, and which names are on there. it perhaps behooves us to get all information. my second question, just with the second round of impeachment, his timing. we have a lot on their plates right now. i know people can say "we can walk and talk, click scope but the timing is difficult. it's an election year. we want the answers. juan, come to you. do we really need another look, another bite at the apple, with the mueller investigation to get what we haven't seen? those grand jury materials, and possibly see another impeachment movement? is that what democrats need? are the hungry for that bite to? >> juan: you know, i think it's an ongoing fight, harris, that goes back to the first impeachment. you think about the mueller report, we have never seen a

full mueller report. attorney general barr came out and said things that people later said it was really a spin, made it look like it was not necessarily the case that there was a justification, even, for the mueller investigation, and redacted elements of it. when he finally made it available to the congress, there still were reductions. then you had the u.s. court of appeals saying, "you have to give the congress, in the course of any patron hearing, the full report." and that's what's being challenged now in the supreme court. >> melissa: all right. treasury secretary mnuchin and federal reserve chair powell testifying on capitol hill today, as a new report warns much of the bailout stimulus money means unspent. details on that. ♪ veterans: you know mortgage rates have fallen to 50-year lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $2000 a year.

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i'm taking it. hydroxychloroquine. right now, yeah. a couple weeks ago, i started taking it. yeah, i've taken it for about a week and a half now, and i'm still here. i'm still here. >> harris: president trump they're announcing he is in fact taking a controversial antimalaria to prevent the coronavirus, prompting warnings from health experts. however, the house physician, the white house physician, says after numerous discussions he and i had regarding the evidence of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the potential benefit from the treatment that weighed the relative risks." i bring in now fox news contributor dr. marc siegel, who is also a professor of medicine at nyu langone health. great to here today, dr. siegel. first of all, this is a drug that we have known of the medical spectrum for decades, for many years. you factor that end, you hear the white house doctor saying

they factored in benefits, they did that cost-benefit analysis outweighing the risks. what do you say about it? >> first of all, i know dr. conley from another couple of patients, and i feel it is very responsible physician. that's number one. number two, hydroxychloroquine, in the laboratory, looks like it does have some effects against covid-19, probably early on, and disdecreases viral spread on the risk of inflammation. but the studies have been done very. it depends on the studies. the latest one from france looks very good. the latest one from china doesn't look as good. there are huge studies going on right now. one from the nih, and another one in detroit. the one detroit is looking at health care workers who have just been exposed, that haven't been sick. that would be similar to the president's situation. the fda has warned about the risk of heart arrhythmia, but dr. conley would have taken that under advisement and he would look at the president in terms

of risk benefits. he's in a high-risk group, he's over 70, he has other risk factors, so this was way back and forth. what people out there need to know is this is a conversation between you and your doctor. it's not patient saying, "i want this, i need this." it's a doctor and you going over it and considering what to do. it's a responsible medical decision. and something that's on the table. >> harris: you talk about the risk factors for the president. of course, we know of more than two cases now, because there was one in march with people inside the white house, the administration there, the staff inside the white house. so the exposure is also something i would imagine doctors take into account, and the last two exposures would have been recent with that valet. anyway, we will move onto this. i'm curious. the fda says that particular drug, hydroxychloroquine, should only be used in a medical setting in the hospital. the white house is a different type of a setting, because you

can't run the president to the hospital every day. does that change the calculus that is made, also, in terms of giving in to this particular patient? >> that's an excellent question. i want to point out, by the way, something really important. recent studies on this show it may not work that well when patients are severely ill. that's where most of the studying lately has been. i am more interested in if you give it earlier, will it have an impact at decreasing the severity? that's what the nih is studying. with the president, of course he is under tremendous observation, so i'm not worried about, "he doesn't have access to medical care." i've seen the medical facility inside the white house, by the way. it's pretty extensive. so, i'm not worried about him being unmonitored. i'd be worried about that with another patient somewhere else. i think the answer with hydroxychloroquine is going to be, does it work early on? doesn't work as a preventative, as you said, with people who have gotten very heavy exposure?

that's the key. we don't have the answer yet, but it is a reasonable question for dr. conley to be asking and addressing. >> harris: i'm always grateful for your time and want to be greedy, but i'm going to share. melissa francis sitting by with another question for you. melissa? >> melissa: yes, i'm sure you heard about that potentially good news, and the race to find that a vaccine. the massachusetts-based biotech company, no dharna, said the tests of eight healthy volunteers found the experiment of vaccines safe and provoked a strong response pair those findings must be repeated in tests involving hundreds, and then thousands of people, to prove that it truly works in the real world. what do you think about this one? helpful is it? there was a big market reaction. >> melissa, i'm very excited about this. it's being studied up in seattle where emily is, and she probably knows about this, kaiser permanente.

it's 45 patients overall but get three different doses of the vaccine, and all 45 made a very good amounts of antibodies. it looks like they've developed some immunity. the vaccine is a very brand-new technology that uses genetic material to cause your cells to produce a protein normally found on the virus. that then causes an antibody response. it worked in all 45 patients, it was safe, they tolerated it well, and now they are moving on in the next week or two to face 2 trials, where they will gave it to 600 patients and see if they can show that same immune response in 600. if that works, they go to the third and last phase, and gear it up and start to make millions of doses. if this continues to work, we'll end up seeing this vaccine ready by early 2021. it's on the road towards that. it's a very exciting first step. safe and effective in 45

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>> harris: secretary of state mike pompeo admitted he recommended president trump fire state department inspector general steve linick because he was undermining the department. pompeo says he was not aware linick was investigating him, telling "the washington post" this. "it is not possible that this decision, or my recommendation, rather, to the president, was based on any effort to retaliate for any investigation that was going on or is currently going

on, because i simply don't know. i'm not briefed on it. so, it's simply not possible for this to be an act of retaliation, end of story." meanwhile, some senate republicans have joined democrats in demanding answers on steve linick's dismissal, including senator chuck grassl senator chuck grassley, who says the president must give congress 30 days before removing an inspector general. juan, come to you. this is the fourth inspector general in short time. melissa has mentioned quite astutely that this can sometimes give a chilling effect. politically, what does this do? >> juan: well, that's exactly right. if you are saying to all inspector general that, unless you are a loyalist and less of a watchdog you will be fired, it's saying to them, "you've got to be with us or you're out." that's why i think you see

republicans also saying they are not comfortable, because any future president who might be a democrat, they want oversight. not only in terms of the inspector general, but they want the congress to be able to exercise it. in this case, harris, it's been an interesting little journey with steve linick. initially the thought was that he had crossed wires with people in the state department because he was looking into having -- pompeo having secret service and state department staff use things like walk dogs and go pick up cleaning. there are increasing numbers of reports, i think it's a $7 billion arms sale that was being conducted under an emergency basis with the saudi arabian and uae, and that he was questioning why this was going forward given that the sale had been held up. we've seen the saudis have used the rapidly to kill children.

>> harris: i want to go directly to emily on this. what juan is bringing up now as a whole another issue that has legality involved in it, and that might be why some of the republicans are also looking at this. emily? >> emily: absolutely. you know that i always welcome transparency, as should all the american citizens. whatever questions that need to be asked, of course will all look forward to those answers being uncovered. i think it's important for viewers to understand, however, first that investigations continue regardless of the inspector general being removed or not. secondly, on its face, the secretary of state's articulation of why he recommended removal is complete sound. no matter how high up you are ranked in this government, if you are failing to perform the position description, you can be removed. >> harris: carley? >> carley: okay, we learn several key things over the past 24 hours that originally were revealed. one of them, as you said, harris, is that mike pompeo says

he didn't know steve linick was investigating him. the other is that there appeared to have been some frustrations with ig investigation leaks. although linick isn't being accused of leaking that information, that appears to have led to at least one of the reasons why he was let go. without that information, it seems like it could have been an icky, swapy thing. that's what really happened here. when the president was asked why he was fired, they didn't give clear answers. and you really need to do that when you're doing something as important as firing and ig, which is why you see republicans going on board and saying, "we need more information on this one." >> harris: the word that emily used was "transparency," and we should all be hungry for it. okay, the treasury secretary and federal reserve chairman are facing some tough questions on capitol hill today after a report revealed the treasury had spent very little of that $500 billion back in march to help businesses recover from

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>> melissa: secretary 's diminished and federal reserve chairman jerome powell testifying today in the $2.2 trillion carriers act president trump signed in late

march. this, after congressional oversight reports released yesterday find the treasury department has spent just $37.5 billion of the $500 billion meant for businesses and local governments, despite the request for immediate coronavirus-related help. the report also found that the airline industry had yet to receive the $46 billion set aside for it in that fund. juan, i dug deep into this looking at what specifically they were talking about. for example, when they talk about the states and municipalities and local governments, you heard senator menendez asking the question, "isn't it worse that we have the front line and government workers who have to lay off in our states because we can't pay them, because of the shortfall?" and this makes the recession worse. what should we do about that? isn't it making the problem worse? and i noticed that they both responded, "that's with the municipal liquidity facility is

therefore." in other words, the money is there. you can have it right now. it's just that you're borrowing it. it's not a gift. and the reason why this money hasn't gone out, specifically that part and much of the rest of it, it is because it's earmarked as a loan, not a gift. and the states don't want a loan. they want a gift. what you think about that? >> juan: i think the key here for all of us is that the chairman of the federal reserve, jay powell, said just last week the economy is in bad shape, melissa. and it's going to need injections of support, maybe even another bill is being argued about here in washington. the key point here is money that has been already approved sitting on the shelf. it could be, as you described, the state governments want an outright grant as opposed to a loan. but the larger point in my mind is the economy and everybody who benefits from the first responders to people who

are paid in terms of city contracts, everybody from the deli to people who do cleaning, on a contract basis, all of that needs to happen. because we want to get this economy going. >> harris: right, it needs to happen. it's sitting on the shelf, because the states could have it today. you are saying we need to get the economy going, then it is the state and local municipalities' fault for not taking that money today. >> juan: i just think that, already, states and municipalities are arguing for additional support, because they understand that they are suffering from a tremendous drop in terms of tax revenue that is already ravaging their budget. for them to say, "we're going to take on another obligation," you can understand it's not a matter of politics. that's just a matter of common sense. he wouldn't do that in your

family budget if you knew you are already deep in a hole. just as a collective, as american people, we have to understand the stress right now on state and local governments. >> melissa: yeah. emily, what do you think about that? i mean, the money is ready to go. it's sitting right there. they don't want to take it because they don't want to go even deeper into debt, since they are in very deep debt from overspending beyond what their tax revenues are in the past. >> emily: right. debt is a bipartisan issue. it is un-american issue. we should all be absolutely horrified parade also come with our sleeves rolled up and trying to accommodate and address this problem. for every dollar they owe, they are basically spending $5 and managing it, including fraud on the backside. i just found out yesterday somebody fraudulently filed a report of an employment in my name. this is happening to everyone. you outlined to juan as well

that modifications the treasury department made to the original stimulus bill, like reducing the care. an amortization rate. we don't have enough time to go into it now, but there's a lot of things people need to understand that locals are making it difficult for them. >> harris: he had. more "outnumbered" in just a minute. , so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. [grunting noise] i'll take that. yeeeeeah! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar ensure max protein. now available in twelve-count. stock up today!

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♪ >> harris: president trump going after what he calls a double standard after the department of justice appears to rule out investigating four if president barack obama or former vice president joe biden. he watching "outnumbered overtime" now, and harris faulkner. fall out now from that development after attorney general bill barr announced he does not expect a criminal investigation into obama or biden. as the john durham probe into the origins of the russia investigation continues. the president is now weighing in. watch. >> i think