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thanks, hannity. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from another crazy washington tonight. all the fearmongering about hydroxychloroquine, it turns out it's making it very difficult for researchers to get what they said they needed. patients for clinical trials. unbelievable. my reaction and we are going to expose it a bit later on. plus, we got huge reaction last night after we exposed the truth about the various age groups that are most affected that die from covid in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. it's stunning when you put these figures in context and now we find that these same disparities are present across the country, so we are going to bring all this to you. raymond arroyo, bubbling commencement address today. i was screaming, i was watching it and i know you missed it, so we are going to show to you. and wait until you see what a russian nurse was wearing in covid ward.

scene and mostly unseen ahead. but first, susan rice, obama's super sweat for, that's for thes tonight's angle. sometimes news happens so fast that we miss the obvious. like significant facts blow right by us. such as what happened with the reports of the past weeks on the outgoing obama administration 'his actions towards the incoming trump national security advisor mike flynn. we now know that 39 obama aides submitted dozens of unmasking requests for calls that involved flynn. the first was made by samantha power on november 30th, 2016 with the bulk being made between december 14th and 16th of that year. yet what everyone missed was that there were no -- was no unmasking request made for the call that set the criminal case against flynn in motion.

his december 28th, 2016, call with russian ambassador sergey kislyak. "the ingraham angle" learned late last night from a high-ranking source with direct knowledge of that situation that it was the fbi, not the office of national intelligence, that was monitoring the call. "the washington post" confirmed this today. it was the fbi, not the nsa, that wiretapped kislyak's calls and greater the summary and transcript. when the fbi circulated the report, they included flynn's name from the beginning because it was essential to understanding its significance. there were therefore no requests, we can conclude, for that unmasking about information. okay. thus it was jim comey's fbi that had the call transcript. now, that certain figures within the fbi in consultation with figures higher up in the administration consider the transcript potentially, i don't

know, a second insurance policy against the new administration? or maybe they thought it could be weaponized if flynn was asked about it later, a few days later, and lied. we are bound to find out more. consternation was building in the obama ranks in december, 2016, and into the next month. we know this. they never thought trump was going to win the white house and they were about to turn the keys over to trump, a man, to their horror, about to undo almost everything obama had done on foreign and domestic policy. now, i've seen many in the never-trump world scoff at any suggestion that there was anything improper in these flurry of unmasking requests that were filed in those final weeks of the obama era. yet i think it's wrong to focus on the unmasking itself, which is legal. for years, deep state lackeys

like clapper and brennan claimed flynn's call was scooped up incidentally as if it happened almost just by accident. >> what exactly is going on with this engagement with our primary adversary, the russians? that's i think why the warning lights on everyone's dashboard was on. it wasn't a specific concern about mike flynn. >> obama officials were going out and saying giving me everything about michael flynn, absolutely not. >> laura: interesting excuse, but we know that you're full of it. even before we heard from that high-level source last night, recently declassified documents showed obama aides made zero unmasking requests. they made the day of flynn's call with kislyak, so they didn't move to unmask that call. on the contrary, flynn -- we see it wasn't just swept up, wasn't incidental. flynn was targeted.

and specifically he was targeted by jim comey's fbi. again, flynn had every right to talk to the russian ambassador. he had every right to discuss any aspect of policy and any suggestions that the logan act was somehow a legitimate concern of the obama people is just preposterous. flynn wasn't freelancing for some private entity against american interests. he was representing the new administration, for goodness sake. recently released documents show that on january 4th 2017, the doj moved to close its investigation of flynn afterward found no derogatory information with respect to his russian contacts. yet fbi agent peter strzok intervened to request that this investigation remain active and he interjected that it was the seventh floor that was involved. now, the seventh floor?

that's a euphemism for senior leadership. a.k.a., jim comey. the newly declassified memo written by susan rice to herself -- who does that, on inauguration day, 2017, that purports to documents a january 5th 2017 white house briefing that took place for president obama with director comey, the deputy ag sally yates, vice president biden and susan rice. now, the memo itself is a classic washington mop up operation, hence susan rice's nickname. wanted every aspect of the investigation handled by the intelligence agencies and law enforcement handled by the book. he stressed he wasn't asking for anything to be initiated from a law enforcement perspective and then reiterated again that everything be done by the book. then, again, in this memo, comey

was asked by the president if they should withhold sensitive information related to russia. the director replied potentially. even though he had no indication thus far that flynn had passed classified info to kislyak. although he did note that the level of communication was unusual. there's only one way he would know that, right? spying. in her memo, rice wrote that director comey affirmed that he was proceeding by the book as it relates to law enforcement. now, the phrase, "by the book" was used three times in that memo. one memo, used three times. seems like susan rice was swiffering up another obama mess. the phrase "he doth protest too much" comes to mind. they are proceeding by the book if proceeding by the book means

potentially withholding sensitive information related to national security to the incoming national security advisor, without any justification whatsoever. now, the bottom line, comey and peter strzok didn't like and they didn't trust flynn, who obama had fired years earlier. and they felt the same about the man who was about to be sworn in as president. they reviled trump. this entire episode should be both terrifying and enraging for all americans who think the fbi should operate to keep us safe without political bias. and one more little thing here. look closely at the declassified memo. the time-stamp is 12:15:32. 15 minutes and 32 seconds after susan rice is no longer national security advisor in 15 minutes and 32 seconds into the trump presidency. this is all weird, right?

it's all reminiscent of another rescue mission that she took it upon herself to complete after benghazi. in 2012, susan rice was directed to go on national television and blame the video for the attack on our compound that resulted in the death of our ambassador and three others. she did her duty. repeating and implausible in what turned out to be false narrative. >> there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. >> the spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before which were prompted of course by the video. spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> laura: it was a terror attack that took place a couple of months before the presidential election in 2012. not even a couple of months. but let's get back to the flynn affair. now, what happened between january 5th and inauguration day

that spooked susan rice into typing that memo into government computers? a memo about a meeting that's taken place more than two weeks earlier. now today she claims through a spokesperson, of course, that the white house counsel had instructed her to do this. why? is there another document that we haven't seen yet directing peter strzok to keep the flynn operation going? well, time will tell. or maybe john durham will. and that's the angle. joining me now is mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist" and fox news contributor, also with me is fried, former cia analyst and former nsc chief of staff. it seems that all roads lead back to the fbi, which makes this whole thing look a heck of a lot like a domestic spying operation. now that we know that that 28th phone call on december of 2016 was not unmasked because you didn't need to unmask it because it was done by the fbi.

>> well, they maybe should have masked it though. if they were picking up information on ambassador kislyak, that might have been completely legitimate, that might have been fine. to not mask the identity of an american citizen who has civil liberties, who has privacy rights, is a problem and it's a problem for precisely the reason that when you are handing that information out willy-nilly, goes to a lot of people and it ends up leaking to "the washington post" on one of the stories in "the washington post" claims nine sources confirming this phone call with kislyak. that's a lot of people to be leaking about classified information. but you were so right, what we know about this january 5th meeting thanks to this memo really does in that we have to ask some questions of james comey. he's been curiously silent these last few days, but in the write up, if you are to believe susan rice, and there's a lot of reason why you shouldn't believe her but let's say she is telling the truth, she says that james comey did say he would do things by the book when it came to law enforcement, but you notice that it says that he

doesn't say that about national security, when it comes to national security and in fact the whole memo is about how they are talking about withholding information from the incoming administration of a national security importance. this is a really major scandal that they all knew about this, that they all talked about it, but what i think she's doing and was directed to do by the white house counsel might be to throw it all in james comey. she says he's the one that said we had to do this for national security reasons. i think he should be asked, do you agree that you were the person who undermines the incoming administration in this unethical and bad manner, or do you have a different version of events that makes you look not so bad right now? >> laura: fred, susan rice was asked in march of 2017 about what she knew about incoming trump officials being spied on. this is what she said. >> i know nothing about this. i was surprised to see reports from the chairman on that count today. whatever he was referring to was a legal, lawful surveillance and

it was potentially incidental collection on american citizens. >> laura: incidental collections, fred. was this incidental given what we know now? >> it's a very interesting question, laura, and i got to tell you some things about this fbi report that i don't think people talked about you. i'm not sure everything we've earned about is accurate. disseminated fbi reports doom mask the names of american citizens, but according to james comey and recently house intelligence committee transcript, this name was not masked. he explained that it wasn't masked. apparently he brought a transcript of this interview to the white house. so one wonders how was this wiretap done? was there a fisa or other court order to spy on general flynn? well, no, what happened as they were spying on kislyak and they were pretending that they picked up flynn as incidental.

one might ask was there a fisa warrant to spy on kislyak because he was in the united states? my guess would be that there's a standing warrant to spy on russians, so they didn't have to obtain any court approval for this and they can pretend they were going after kislyak when they knew all along there were going after flynn, but it was extraordinary to bring the unmasked name of an american and to show it to policymakers, because that still had to go -- that should have undergone an unmasking procedure. someone gave comey the raw transcript of this phone call which comey was sharing with senior officials. it's a pretty major violation of the rules. >> laura: but we understand, molly, that the intelligence community to this day doesn't have a transcript of that call. >> well, we don't know a lot about it, but i think more important too is think about during this meeting, comey says

that he has concerns that flynn might be talking with russian counterparts. that's really weird, first of all, since that's his job description, to be talking to these types of people but you notice that by the time -- by the time that they talk about going to ambush flynn and they have those notes about why they're doing it, all of a sudden they're no longer talking about that at all, then they're talking about logan act. i think this shows that there was no legitimate purpose for that interview. they had dropped even this thin read of a pretense for why they were concerned about it by the time they ambushed him, so it seems like a lot of what we've been hearing from department of justice about why they dropped -- why they're asking to dismiss these charges against flynn does seem to hold up. >> laura: really quickly, fred, like 20 seconds. people who write memos to the file, to themselves, 15 minutes into a new administration, why would you do that? >> well, i think that susan rice is trying to cover for the fact that she knows that barack obama was trying to undermine the

principle, the peaceful transfer of power. there were not going to turn over everything to the next administration like the supposed to. that's the american tradition, that's where our system operat operates. they were withholding intelligence for the next administration and president obama had told holdover officials to use that intelligence to continue to spy and to destroy members of trump's team. >> laura: that's what i think was going on. i think it's getting more and more obvious. mollie and fred, fascinating, thank you so much tonight. my next guest and interesting for discipline and that january 5th, 2017 meeting wasn't president obama or biden or even comey but rather sally h. former deputy and the penny council and fox news contributor is here to explain why that was. people forget that yates at that time was deputy ag. but why might that position make her an important participant in that meeting? >> well, she was more the deputy ag. by this time she was the acting attorney general of the

united states. think about that for a moment. the sergey kislyak-flynn call was on december 29th. 2016. comey starts talking about it with senior white house officials almost right away. sally yates doesn't -- the attorney general of the united states does not find out about this until january 5th. she's sitting there. this is the very conversation that susan rice wrote the memo about. she is sitting there and president obama is talking to comey about the flynn-kislyak calls and what they're going to do and sally yates hasn't even been told about this. they're talking about the logan act and sally yates doesn't know what they're talking about. i mean, first, jim comey played everybody in the incoming and outgoing administration like a fiddle and he particularly played sally yates and i think there were many reasons for it. >> laura: then you move forward a few days later to the

interview with flynn and, you know, sally yates' involvement in that, did she know about it, did she directed? how does that stem from that january 5th conversation, all those questions remain. >> well, keep in mind that shortly after learning about the conversation, not long after january 5th and certainly after the conversation was leaked to the press on the 12th, sally yates was arguing to jim comey and to anybody else who would listen that they needed to inform the incoming trump administration about this, that it was the right thing to do to say wait, there was this conversation and comey kept pushing back, he refused to do it. then she was incredibly surprised and upset to find out that jim comey violated protocol by sending those two fbi agents over to interview flynn. as you know, that violated the

sacrosanct protocol that jim comey talks about that you don't send agents over to talk to anyone in an administration without coordinating with the white house counsel. comey as he had admitted deliberately violated policy. he doesn't tell sally yates, she calls him up to say we've got to tell the white house, and he says i've sent two agents over, they're going to investigate -- they're going to question general flynn and yates said she was flabbergasted, we were all flabbergasted at doj. she's not blameless. my god, she's the acting attorney general of the united states, she should have said wait a minute, we are not going to do that, call those agents back right now, how dare you send your agents over. >> laura: i remember like it was yesterday that when this was going on. i was thinking as a former criminal offense attorney, i thought to myself, why is flynn agreeing -- why did he agree to sit down with these agents? what he honestly didn't think he had anything -- any problem. he's just like sure, i'll talk

to you. but i remember that like it was yesterday. i was shocked. i kept thinking, where the heck is the white house counsel and now we know. memos to the file written by people in the 11th hour are always done so with a particular intent. do you buy her idea that it was the white house counsel that told us to write that? >> that would be really ironic because famous in washington fog i never put anything in writing. the key thing for that conversation is comey telling president obama we might have potentially something to fear if we share information with flynn. comey knew that wasn't true, he knew they were about to close the file on flynn. they had closed the file, so it's all very disturbing. >> laura: think he was always, great to see you tonight. and it turns out that the media's childlike tantrum over hydroxy is preventing doctors

now from finding patients to conduct the trials that fauci and company said they needed to judge the efficacy of hydroxy. isn't that interesting? my full reaction in a moment. you doing okay?

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♪ >> hydroxychloroquine provides no benefit against coronavirus and, it worse, could be dangerous. >> taught an unproven and possibly unsafe drug that is taking. >> allergic reaction, heart arrhythmias, seizures, what kind of a doctor prescribes a drug that doesn't work and might be unsafe and has those side effects? >> laura: the media's temper tantrum over hydroxychloroquine isn't just poisoning the airwaves, it's also hurting the science that they claim to care so much about. case in point. a draft letter obtained by

"the new york times" for medical researchers to the journal of american medical association warns negative media coverage of hydroxychloroquine is directly correlated with a drop in enrollment in trials one by institutions including the university of minnesota, university of washington, columbia university in new york and henry ford hospital. during meno's oncologist, dr. william grace. dr. grace, biden says that taking hydroxy is like injecting herself with bleach. i kid you not, he said that. so is it really surprising that doctors can't find anyone for these trials? >> well, the amazing thing is, laura, that when the national -- helped at they would declare what were the 50 most dangerous drugs to take, number 44 was aspirin. number 39 was tylenol just ahead of sentinel. and hydroxychloroquine is one of the safest medications that has ever been created. we've known about it for almost

60 years and i think that this is crazy because hydroxychloroquine is a safe, cheap, and available drug, as is azithromycin and zinc. and the problem is that "the new york times" article let this out the other day was that it mentioned only that hydroxychloroquine might be dangerous in people who have 1 foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. remdesivir doesn't even work in that group and it's only been promoted for people who are walking wounded. that's where it has -- the need is for the greatest amount of research. we have to go trials, the one in munro new york and the one in france that shows that it reduces deaths by an order of magnitude. we need to control trials to confirm that. the politicians and the media are not helping. >> laura: what i can't believe also, dr. grace, is why it took the nia this long. this has been going on -- i feel like i've been talking about this issue not far, i don't

know, eight weeks. why is it taking them this long to gear up these studies? prison where they could have gotten enough patients in the first four weeks of this pandemic. not sure why it would have taken them so long to really start gearing this up. i feel like everyone dragging their feet on something that's practicing physicians have had some success with. some have had great success. >> some of it is the nature of the dash that is that you have a complete lockdown of the areas that are most affected by covid and many of the doctors who would be participating don't have open offices because they were told to shut down. so we didn't have the system in place to really affect during the height of the epidemic. now that we do have it, we are finding that the media and politicians are interfering. >> laura: just really quickly, the medical director -- medical correspondent at nbc that they

wouldn't prescribe hydroxy to a loved one because it's side effect is, and i quote, "death." that's the side effect. death. >> then they shouldn't recommend aspirin or tylenol to their patients as well, because that's even more dangerous. >> laura: dr. grace, as always, great to hear your perspective tonight, thank you so much. >> good to see you, laura. >> laura: less that we brought you the shocking truth about covid deaths in pennsylvania, including the fact that more death occurred in people over 100 years of age then under 45 years of age. that's not 2 minutes minds so michael might minimize any death, but the aged are sheepish and is likely the key to reopening society and assessing was most vulnerable. this isn't just for the keystone state. it let me walk you through startling numbers we collected from across the country. in illinois there were three times more covid deaths among those 80 years or older then people under 60.

in michigan, 3,491 covid fatalities are for ages 70 and up. that's 69% of all of them. 2 to 253 fatalities under the age of 40 or just 5% of all fatalities and the number are similar in massachusetts and connecticut and elsewhere. joining me now, former "new york times" reporter, author of "tell your children." alex, why isn't every leader shouting figures like this from the rooftops? what's the motivation for suppressing the data and the framing of this data to keep this covid-19 in some context? >> well, i think you just said it. by the way, it's not just in the u.s. this is true in italy and spain in the u.k., all of the places that have seen the most deaths are very, very heavily skewed to older people, especially over 80. clearly there's been an effort made to try to scare people who

are relatively low risk here and i guess that's to keep political support for the lockdown. the problem comes at a huge cost in that states are not protecting the people that need to be protected the most. in fact, you see in florida where they've actually made a real effort to protect nursing homes in ways -- more heavily lockdown states. there's actually been far fewer deaths even though there are many, many elderly people in florida. >> laura: here's what illinois governor said about the potential optics of the lockdo lockdown. >> come november that president trump can look at states like illinois and say they were holding businesses back. >> president trump is in following science or data. where doing it right illinois, we are not the last or the first. i think we are cutting the right path here. the number one consideration, keep our people safe.

>> laura: one of the most odious governors. i'm sorry, i cannot believe this man. he's literally threatening his own residence with fines and revoking their licenses. is that with the science and the data calls for, alex, going up to the barber shop or the preacher or that -- you know, the guy who runs the coffee shop down the road? >> no, i mean, absolutely not and we are seeing in georgia, which we are aggressively trying to remove the lockdown and has removed the lockdown, really the first major state to push back that both hospitalizations are down by about a third so far this month. i think there's an increasingly plausible case to be made that lockdowns are at best irrelevant to the course of the epidemic of hospitalizations and at worst the case can be made that they might have actually worsened things at the worst possible time in new york city for example by driving people back into small apartments and by driving people to emergency rooms. so, this idea that lockdowns have saved tens or hundreds of thousands of people, frankly there's no evidence of that.

>> laura: just yes or no, do you think that we are going to find out that the phase reopening has a similar result? in other words, probably didn't matter that much, the phases? >> i think so. i think more than anything else, as the weather's getting better, respiratory virus in general hate good weather, they hate the summer and is really no reason to believe that this coronavirus is any different. >> laura: alex, thank you, great to see you as always. >> pleasure. >> laura: coming up, joe biden unveils his campaign strategy during his commencement address and provides some ethical questions while nurses, well, they revived their covid-19 patients in a surprising way. raymond arroyo is here, seen and unseen next.

>> laura: it's time for our seen and unseen segment or we expose the bicultural stories of the week and for the very latest we go to fox news contributor raymond arroyo, was also the author of "will wilder three," now in paperback. raymond, joad envelope. sounding off again. and revealing, weight, his campaign strategy. >> yes, laura. we are getting clues about the shape of this candidacy. biden spoke to a food scarcity town hall, believe it or not. he was typically adult and at one point he said trump should have authorized the government to purchase excess food from farmers and give it to food banks. guess what? trump had already that. today biden said trump was too slow. the real problem for biden is when he attacks trump, coherence

usually is difficult. >> he says where -- everything is going fine. this coronavirus is going to go away with the weather, it's going to be like america. back in june -- look. if i can talk about the intelligence community for just a second. they had ten, what they call presidential daily briefs were the intelligence money sent to the president, this was a pandemic that was coming. >> the food scarcity victims could have eaten that orange salad. and then today, biden addressed graduate of columbia law school. listen to this uplifting message. >> your generation has come of age in a nation at war and deep recession with mass shootings and now a pandemic. has lost someone and is feeling survivor's remorse. i know from experience you're wondering where to go from here. >> laura, this is all part of his empathize her in chief argument. he believes this will separate them from trump and went over women but as a woman told me

today. at times biden sounds like is running running for first lady. women and men want a strong leader with a big stick to lead them out of a crisis, not a fellow mourner, that's not what we need. >> laura: i keep thinking if i were graduating and i tuned into biden and i heard that, i wouldn't necessarily be, you know, just bustling towards the future with enthusiasm and excitement, raiment, but maybe it's just the crisis that's gotten me very sad. the columbia commencement, biden talked about the importance of ethics and character. >> yes, our legal system is adversarial by design, but it depends on the rules, norms, and ethics. a good life is not perfect. it's made of a thousand little things built on character and how they all add up as we see today. >> biden needs to be careful here, laura when he's talking

about character and you'll remember when he was running for president in 1987, he was embroiled in repeated plagiarism scandals when he appropriated words and experiences from a british labor leader and robert kennedy. word for word. he also admitted to plagiarizing his law school papers. then there was this. >> i think i probably have a much higher iq than you do. i went to law school on a full academic scholarship and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. i was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year -- i graduated with 3 degrees. >> biden concedes he did not graduate in the top half of his law school class, that he does not have 3 degrees from college and that he was not named outstanding political science student. >> unbelievable, laura. >> laura: oh, my god. i had forgotten all that. >> character is a hard thing to play, a hard card to play when you've got sexual abuse in your background, charges floating around, plagiarism, and, you

know, you are a catholic who supports abortion on demand, this is problematic. >> laura: we were talking but susan rice earlier as a super swiffer for obama. biden is the super sniffer. >> are not going there, ingram. what else have you got? >> it demonstrates where biden for all this tender talk needs to take the country. >> for this pandemic you can remake the world as it should be. to see covid-19 as a force that compels us to rewrite the social contract. you can set the terms for an economy, health care system, education system, immigration system. you can win the race against climate change by writing the laws and structures, the deals that rally the rest of the world to build a safer, more resilient and sustainable future. >> laura: first of all -- >> candidates normally run to the center he's running to the left to try to get the burning

supporters to vote for him. >> laura: i keep looking up or biden, god bless them, and i feel like i just need to wave to him through the glass and just say we love you, we love you. i will send you a stuffed animal tomorrow. >> i've got to get this and, in russia, a photo is burning up the internet. it's a nurse in her personal protective equipment and little else. she said she took off her clothes and wore lingerie because she was hot and the covid patients apparently agree with her. look at this picture. i wish you could see the face of the old man behind her. his eyes are like saucers, lau laura. >> laura: got to go. >> we've been trying to flatten the curve. i think she's trying to accentuate them. can't blame her. >> laura: i thought you were going somewhere else. i thought you were going somewhere else with that curve and all that. i'm glad you didn't go there, raymond. there was a sudden uptick in the recovery, let's just put it that way. raymond, personal protective gear, get it? great to see you.

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♪ >> laura: now it's time for a political lightning round. here to debate, dan bongino, fox news contributor and host of "the dan bongino show podcast" and chris hahn, former aide to chuck schumer and host of the aggressive progressive podcast. gentlemen, thank you both for being here and first up, the shameless self-promotion from stacy abrams and gretchen whitmer as they openly compete to be sleepy joe's running mate. >> do you think that not choosing a woman of color, a black woman, actually, is a slap in the face to the black female

voters? >> i would share your concern about not picking a woman of color, because women of color, particularly black women, are the strongest part of the democratic party. >> are you being vetted by mr. biden? >> you know what, i have had a conversation with some folks. i am making a little bit of time to stay connected to the campaign. >> laura: dan, i don't know which one is worse, frankly, at this point. if i had to choose one, it probably would be stacy abrams over governor whitmer. i have to say. >> well, they both violate the axiomatic golden rule of vp picks, laura, which is what? do no harm. nobody votes for the bp. they don't, they don't care. they vote for the top of the ticket. all you can do with the vp pick is hurt your chances of winning. stacy abrams hurts her chances because she thinks she's the governor of georgia. she's not. and gretchen whitmer is the governor of michigan and she's doing a terrible job. both bad choices. >> laura: let's talk about witmer, chris.

her response to the crisis. regardless of whether you're a democrat or republican, pretty heavy-handed. she's had a lot of dust ups, obviously a lot of court challenges. how might that come into play in the thinking of biden about whom to pick? >> i think biden knows that that's astroturf put down by trump supporter's to try to weaken the governor, whose numbers are much higher than president trump's in michigan. she's at over 60% approval in michigan. trump is in the low 40s in michigan. i think that makes her a viable pick, because quite frankly you need michigan to win. it's a very important state. but we will see what happens. look, i'm a big believer in the old sales term, if you don't ask, you don't get. if there are some people out there asking. it's different, we haven't seen it before. biden has got to pick a vp that's going to help them unite the party more than anything else. >> laura: next up, pelosi is pushing remote voting along with the $3 trillion in stimulus. meanwhile, her media appearances are going like this. >> and i would rather he not be

taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and his number shall we say, weight group, what is morbidly obese. >> the actions of this president of the united states, so completely inappropriate. it's like a child who comes in with mud on their pants or something and he comes in with doggy doo on his shoes. >> laura: dan, i don't know if it's the overloading on that expensive ice cream that's gotten her in such a bad mood, but quarantine hasn't become her. >> no, these media appearances are getting worse and worse for nancy pelosi and really, commenting on people's appearances. i get it, they're going to say trump has done it too. but laura, isn't that their point? there point is that, well, trump is a bad guy because he does this, so we are going to -- i don't really understand what they are going with that. i get it, but nancy pelosi is being torn right now between his

far left part of her party entries really, really just becoming for anything trump isn't for and against anything trump is four and it's really bizarre you can see in the media appearances. >> laura: chris, so are the democrats officially now in favor of fat shaming people? >> i don't think she was fat shaming him. i think she's got some genuine concern. the president is older. he is kind of overweight. and she prays for him regularly. i think we are all concerned about his mental state, quite frankly. we've seen the tweets, we know he's been doing a lot of copopulation, i think it's very important that nancy pelosi, who is the third in line to the presidency, is praying for his health, and i think that's a good thing. >> laura: we have another topic but i have to get back. we have a man who can barely get through a seven minute media appearance in joe biden who routinely doesn't know -- and seem to know where he is, basic facts about how many people have

died so far in this crisis when we're talking about trump's mental state, we are still doing that? dan, they tried this in 2016 and it didn't work. and now they are trying it again and i find it pathetic and i find it very revealing for a party that was supposedly so positive and confident they were going to be able to beat trump this time. >> chris, that's a bold stretch. i mean, go back and forth. liberals like chris, it's bizarre, between trump being this devious come almost mechanical-like tyrant taking over the world who is so smart to win the presidency with no political experience and he's the special storable guide to being so stupid he can't figure anything out. which one is that? is a two confident or totally incompetent? which one is it? >> he's totally incompetent, dan. there's your answer, how is that for straight to the point? completely incompetent. the economy ruined, we know why. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you. good to see you tonight.

how will the media continue to keep getting scared? well, we have a little bit of insight for you on that one question, next.

>> let's turn up the lights and see it. >> there were now more droplets on the bowl of chips, the menus, and the water pitcher too. even the woman sitting to my

right several feet away from the mannequin that coughed had droplets on her face. >> laura: it is a constant state of right. someone should tell the media it's okay to report positive developments to a nation desperately seeking some. that's all the time we have tonight. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. you might as well thought that we never came into contact with germs in public before ever. never! >> shannon: i always get scared when they do the hotel room things and you see the junk that is in there. the world is a scary place. >> laura: but we still go on. >> shannon: by the way, we do have some positive news that we will tell you on "fox news @ night" tonight. thank you, laura. to be to great show. >> shannon: this is a fox news alert. growing rejection of the lockdown from two ends of the societal spectrum. minnesota's catholic church and some lutheran churches resuming services next week choosing to defyem