mob want for the country. in the meantime, let not your heart be troubled, laura ingraham is next. ♪ ss ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is a "the ingraham angle" live washington tonight. why houses of worship now find themselves continuous targets of blue state governors. a baltimore pastor tore up a cease and desist letter mid-sermon wednesday night and he's going to join us exclusively to tell us why. also tonight, why the restarting of sports at both the professional and the scholastic level is so important for our national psyche to reopen the country. one of the world's best orthopedic surgeons is here to explain. china is coming after a u.s. congressman for his legislationp

he is here to respond. but first, without a trace, that's the focus of tonight's "angle." the fourth of july is still six weeks away, given the challenges that we face today, a reminder of why we celebrate. >> we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.ra that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. >> laura: earlier today a good friend of mine and i were talking about how surprising it was that so many americans were willing to give up there in inalienable right for a government promise of safety. basic liberty, the right to work, travel, worship, free speech, to petition the government, to assemble with others. they all were completely sidelined or partially sidelined

during the covid-19 shut down.ss officials assured us that restrictions would be short-lived, and only be in place until we flatten the curve. we did that and hospitals thankfully were not overrun, blue state governors began piling on new conditions in order for states to be fully reopened again. complicated requirements in the new york 51 page reopening document, michigan, illinois,oi washington state seem hell-bent on keeping people immobile and scared as long as possible and now they found a new excuse for delaying come of the need for hundreds of thousands of so-called contact tracers. >> the point of this isco>> to create a core of trained folks who are ready and able and have the skills we need them to have to help usher us all through the new environment to.

>> i know a lot of you don't answer the phone when you see an unknown caller, but i implore you, to answer that call. >> we want to grow our voluntary contact tracing so we can further control and reduce the rate of spread of covid-19 and the stop outbreaks in their tracks. >> laura: yeah, i trust him. what tsa was to the post 9/11 era, contact tracing is to the covid era, it's all for our own good and protection, that's what they say. it seems fine at first, and until maybe when you talk about tsa, an agent's hands gets a little too close to your private parts during a random screening and then they throw away your favorite moisturizer because it's too many ounces. at least her interaction with the tsa agent is brief and limited to only when you fly. your interaction with a covid tracer could last for weeks if not longer.

according to the ap, the practice of so-called contact tracing requires a hybrid job of interrogator, therapist, and nurse, as they try to coax nervous people to be honest. the goal, to create a road map of everywhere infected people have been and who they've been around. that's a heavy lift. how many of these tracers will we need? a >> health investigator mckenzie bray followed this path that she knows too well. >> i'm following up on your test results. >> health professionals and volunteers are working contact tracers, some health officials estimate that as many as 300,000 contact tracers will be needed in the country to effectively mitigate the spread. >> laura: aree you kidding me? 300,000? this kind of reminds me of the tsa, if the experts get their way, there will be six times more contactnd tracers then tsa agents.

instead of rummaging through your luggage, these contact tracers will be prying into the most intimate details of your tlife. if you're found to have been in the orbit of someone who tested positive for the virus, they could monitor your whereabouts continuously until they determine your no longer a danger to others. right now it may be only for 14 days or so but what happens when the next expert tells us something different? may be next week? what about your medical information, very personal to you? according to the tracer training program run by johns h hopkins university that we had a producer actually sign up for today, it's required for tracers hired in new york. medical information will be kept confidential, they say, though perhaps not all of it. this is how one slide in that training program puts it. that medical information cannot be shared with anyone else unless you agree with that, but

your covid-19 test results can beor shared to protect public health. why is that? according to johns hopkins, contract tracing programs are a public good. they can reduce illness and death from covid-19. a public good. it sounds fine, reasonable. but i thought in a representative democracy, the people get to determine what is in the "public good" not unaccountable experts at a university that s receives millions of dollars in grant money from billionaires in corporate foundations. given you the enormity of the federal and state expenditures we are talking about here, it's amazing how little debate theree has been about the risk to personal privacy. i'm telling you, there aream always going to be plenty of reasons citedd by government bureaucrats or unelected technocrats to justify taking

your freedoms away. they'll cite scary things like gun violence, climate change, and now of course covid or maybe the next virus. they will use our fear or maybe excuse statistics or a bad model to manipulate the public perception. they will find experts who insist that they harm to personal privacy is minimal and thany trade-off is worth it. they'll promise their actions will be temporary and narrowly tailored to.il invariably these new programs, like what we saw after 9/11, will become a permanent fixtures in american life and end up expanding far beyond the /1promised goals. i think back to the creation of the fisa court, the patriot act, just to name a few. the next thing you know, bad actors use them as weapons against innocent people, and they almost managed to undo a presidential election. the government can use a variety of tools to enforce its newan normal, using self-assessment tools is the least concerning iv

think from a personal privacy standpoint. but then there are these location devices using a variety of technological tools to monitor you. yesterday, google and apple unveiled a phone app that lets you know when you've been exposed to someone who's covid the positive period of 22 countries have already signed on to use the app. now the tech giants did craft this app with user privacy in mind, will give them thumbs up for that but according to "the wall street journal" the entire purpose of the app is to "help public health departments track contact between strangers." personally, i take whatever privacy promises that those atat these companies are making with a grain of salt. the fact is, tracking technology can have a terrible chilling effect on individual freedom and expression. m the supreme court noted this a few years ago and it's a ruling

to enforce location data protection. the court in carpenter versus united states said detailed travel information provides an intimate detail into a person's life, revealing not only particular movements but through them, his familial, political, professional, religious, and associations. remember those seemingly helpful covid tracking apps are themselves windows into your life. servers can be hacked, data stolen, and generally the data is available to anyone for theft or purchase. advertisers, cyber criminals, even political adversaries, and so on. so can the government, federal, state really ensure that our data not be accessible to any of the above?e? of course the answer is no. it would be naive to think otherwise. a wethey could perhaps mandate tht the health information only be available to health authorities. but given how wrong is so many of their health experts have been lately, you really can't

blame americans who have severe reservations about trusting them with their private medical information. back to ouric declaration. our framers were really smart. thomas jefferson used that word inalienable to describe our rights for a reason, americans are born free. we don't get our rights from the government and the government can never take them away. the government may sometimes force us to make sacrifices, but not indefinitely, and not without a serious debate over what is in fact absolutely necessary to preserve the lives of others.io today, too many officials are strgetting those basic facts. and that's "the angle." joining me now is someone who has studied this topic at length, wesley smith a senior fellow at discovery institute center on human exceptionalism, which part of contact tracing should concern americans the most? >> i think the greatestal concen

would be if it were mandated to. right, there is a test at the isle of wight in the u.k. on some of these contact apps that go into phones and i'm beginning to see in the professional bioethics literature for example, the journal of medical ethics that they don't want these bioethicists, these bioethicists don't want it to be voluntary, they wanted to be mandatory. if we start going down the road of mandatory tracking, that can lead to all kinds of problems such as they have in china with their social credit system. >> laura: this is what a former obama nscpr staffer said today about contact tracing and reopening the country, watch. >> we need to be thinking less about opening and closing and more like expanding slowly so that people can start getting back to a new normal. but we need to do it with increases in testing, we need to do it with the contact tracing, everyone needs to be working off

of the same playbook and right now not every state is. >> laura: that's with a mandate comes in -- it's not about reopening, is not about freedom, it's about controlling america's movements and that screams "mandate" if you ask meg >> the technocrats are seeing a realnd opportunity, a health cae emergency to seize power. i and i want people to think about this. if we start acquiescing to rule by experts instead of a democratic federalist approach, they will never let go of that power, even after the emergency passes. >> laura: i love how none of these state legislatures are esen involved in these conversations. no laws passed, no protections pass, that same thing on the federal level, just give a billion dollars to help fund the contact tracing and the democrats see the contact tracing mechanism as more than just a public health issue, watch.

>> the only way to deal with the disease and put thelt coronavirs on the run is totc do mass testing, diligent contact tracing and we've got lots of people r who can do it because more than 35 million americans have been thrown out of work in vethis process. let's put millions of people to work to be in. >> laura: it's not about bringing jobs back from china, it's about employing a new government workforce to monitor other americans. >> some in the bioethics literature are now beginning to talk about a mandatory vaccine, so that if they develop a vaccine for the covid -- not that you could take it if you wanted to but that you would have to. a lot of the proponents for that has been alan dershowitz, much to my surprise. >> laura: yet, we're still waiting for that kick in of the american civil liberties union, what has happened to them, where are they? >> there are no longer a civil liberties union.

the organization to defend the marching in skokie is dead. they now believe in a technocratic state. this is getting far afield but i think the french revolution is attacking the american revolution. >> laura: their back. we got to roll but i loved your piece, come back soon -- great to see you. it's hard to see americans embracing a new normal -- i hate that phrase -- that includes contact tracing, especially given all the legal concerns. here to discuss is john eastman. there are a lot of practical problems with contact tracing, people don't answer their phone, people are suspicious of this i think for good reason, but what are the constitutional hurdles for such a pervasive of contact tracing? >> you mean we can't send people out and say we will contact tracy if you don't answer your phone? let me go back -- i think there's a silver lininge here.

the government has been tracking us more than any of us care to admit for a long time. look at any intersection, and a light pole in your town and there are cameras anywhere, winded all of that happened? it snuck up on us over the last decade or two. our movements have been tracked by our government, increasingly, exponentially increasing the recent years. this is going to bring it to the forefront where we can see what's going on. the supreme courtnc decades ago allowed for this kind of thing when there is an expediency or exigent circumstance that might require it and that's what they are piggybacking on. those laws, though supreme court precedents have kind of created a carte blanche for the government to step in and do the kinds of things they are proposing here. the case you cited earlier in your opening monologue, the carpenter case, this

supreme court already has started cutting back and curtailing and recognizingca tht there may besu some problems. the new technologies, the new internet tracking abilities and what have you are creating real fourth amendment search and seizure problems, real privacy problems and i think the supreme court is starting to take note and starting to push back about some of the earlier precedent that was more freewheeling and authorizing this stuff. >> laura: a lot of folks will say and they are right -- you can't scream fire in a crowded theater. there are to certain things, even cherished liberties we hold dear. if, in fact, your movement takes the life of another -- except for abortion -- takes the life of another or other harm to other individuals, that's what they will always throw out. this is imminent -- i guess imminent bodily harm to others if you infected them with covid. you don't have a right to infect people with covid with covid. >> that's right, but the phrase

is not you can't fire and a crowded theater, you can't iglsely shout fire in a crowded theater. one of the things we have to look at, are they falsely shouting fire? under the theory, they could contact tracing me every time i get in my car because 36 to 50000 people die in car accidents and if i'm tracing you, maybe i can help minimize that. so let's impede on your freedom there as well. there are all sorts of things we do on a daily basis that create some risk to ourselves and others. the question is where is the balance to be? in our country, the balance is supposed to be struck not by bureaucrats or technocrats or experts who tend to get it wronb more often than not but it's supposed to be set by the legislative judgments by the agents of the people acting through their legislative process and that's not happening here. >> laura: it's odd to see in protests for people out there asking for their liberty,

protesting in favor of their liberty vilified in the media.a. and the other way around, they use to stand up for the media but this is happening -- check it out. >> why has this become a political issue? it's a safety issue and you can choose or not choose to follow that guidance. it seems in some areas that this is become a red-blue issue or some people falsely claiming that's a matter of their right as an american not to. >> laura: i think it's heartening that americans still care about our founding documents and natural law and the bill of rights. that's what i thought it made our country special, our liberty. >> i do too, but what's interesting has not been the protests but it's been the response to those protests. by two groups of people. one, neighbors who take on this holier-than-thou, why aren't you wearing a mask attitude, and the petty tyrants in variousf

government offices from the local sheriff out to the governor's mansion. if you're going to react to that by daring to question what we are imposing on you here, then we are going to extend it for another three months. the kids caught skateboarding in a skate park and they dumped 31 tons of sand in it, so they can't do that anymore. this is not the country you and i grew up in and that's not the one the founders bequeathed to us and we better pay attention to what's going on here or we are going to lose it. >> laura: we got supreme court justices that are watching this very closely, this is where it all really matters. in a time of crisis, protector liberty. great to see you as always. >> good to see you too. >> laura: democratic governors have moved heaven and earth to keep liquor stores and abortion clinics open during shutdown but they shut down places of worship. why is that?

a baltimore pastor is fighting back in his own unique way, he joins us exclusively next. >> so i'm tearing up this cease and desist order right here and i'm telling you right now, we're going to do it god's way! >> laura: my next guest was

♪ >> laura: my next guest was threatened with a $5,000 fine this week for holding in person church services, what was his response? this defiant sermon at calgary baptist church right outside baltimore. >> doesn't get to dictate to god's people how they worship their god. god is the one that defined the parameters, god is the one that communicates his plan for his church, not egypt, and the closer we get to coming back, the more church we ought to be having, not less church.

that's god's parameters. so i'm tearing up this cease and desist order right here, and i'm telling you right now, we are going to do it god's way! we're going to do it god's way, god tells us how to worship him, nobody else gets to do that. >> laura: batman, pastor stacy shiflett joins us now. that gave a lot of people goose bumps across the country who saw that video, what's the reaction been from the community and other faith leaders? i know you talk to them. >> it's been overwhelming, thank you for having me on your show, i'm a huge fan. i didn't plan on doing that, it wasn't scripted, i happen to have it in my handss and there's two things that get mes

passionate. one is the american flag and the other is the word of god. those two things have been jeopardized in the last few months. it reached a boiling point for me last night and i decided we couldn't take it anymore and it's time to push back and make some noise, see if we can't get our churches open. >> laura: invariably what many will say is you're putting people in jeopardy and having in person church services, people have been infected when they've been at in person church services, and your response to them is? i >> we all know that the coronavirus only goes to church, it doesn't go to home depot, it doesn't go to the grocery store, doesn't go anywhere except to church. we've all just had to come to believe that line from all these so-called experts that youou can have 300 people at walmart, you can have 250, 300, 400 people at home depot standingrt in line, touching stuff, bumping into one another but for some reason or another, coming to church and

checking people's temperature at the door and practicing this long list of protocols and guidelines that we put in place and having families sit together and everybody else is 6 feet apart -- we know that if we do that that they're going to get sick but you can go to the store and touch everything in there and you'll be fine. >> laura: it's been a shocker to me that so few members of the clergy have actually come out and said we're not doing this anymore. these rights are inalienable, you can't take them away from us. it's surprising to me that so if you have. i can't tell you, you have mdistrict court judge catherine blake she rejected a challenge by churches and businesses to your governor larry hogan's stay at home order the next step? appeal to the court of appeals? >> we're just going to church, we are tired of being told to sit at the house, when a man can take his daughter to the abortion clinic but he can't take her to church, one a woman

can take her son to the liquor store but can't take in the church, when the marijuana dispensaries are flourishing in the churches are shuttered, it's time for somebody to say something. i'm shocked at how many pastors and preachers and church members have been content to sit on their couch and watch the service on live stream instead of going to church, actually going to church the way church was supposed to be. the word church in greek is an assembly of people together. the word church means coming together, you can't have church the way god intended through live stream, those are things that we have for people who can't come. that's not something we have four people instead of coming. it's time to push back and it's unfair, it's unjust, it's unconstitutional and we are tired of. >> laura: the new normal as they say is being rejected by a lot of folks who didn't mind the

old normal all that much. we wish you the best of luck. >> i want to get our country back to normal, i want to normalize. one t of the other things i want to do is get the churches open, the churches are not being treated with respect by a lot of the democrat governors, i want to get our churches open and we are going to take a very strong position on that very soon. >> laura: as you recall, i interviewed attorney general bill barr in early april and i saw this coming a mile away. the president obviously sees this as a continuing problem in the united states, i hope it's sooner rather than later that these churches are allowed to have in person services. in the meantime, religious leaders across the country are beginning to take matters into their own hands. it isn't just our last guest. catholic bishop finally in minnesota announcing yesterday they would allow churches to reopen ahead of pentecost on may 31st. the move openly defies democrat

governor tim walz ban on indoor gatherings of moread than ten people. the bishops say that his order does not address the vital importance that faith plays in the lives of americans and the fundamental religious freedoms possessed by houses of worship that allows our country to thrive. hours after this announcement, lutheran churches rose up in defiance as well. joining me now as paul gesell cut, minnesota state senate majority leader. is there something more atsinister? your governor is infuriating people of faith across minnesota and i spent a lot of time in minnesota and i am hearing morning, noon, and night, from minnesotans, they are like we are done withov the democratic party if they continue to do this to us. >> minnesotans are fairly compliant as a people so if they decide they're going to move

forward, that should tell you something. for the last month i'm going to work with catholic leaders and protestant leaders and try to work with the governor but just a couple days ago, may 18th, they said as of june 1st they're only going to let ten people meet in church whether inside or outside -- even outside and bars are going to move to 50 people outside. let's take a church to the bars, we will have 50 people at the bars.id it's unbelievable. >> laura: here is what your state employment and economic development commissioner -- that's a mouthful -- said about churches. >> we got to try to do new things, we have to try to limit singing which is a great part of church or celebration but if you look at data on the choirs that have been total hot spots for spread even when social distancing existed, singing is one of the worst things you can do even when you're socially distant from each other.

will have guidelines on that too. >> laura: i thought i had heard it all but now they want to eliminate singing. >> they tell you don't go to church and if you go to church, they tell you how to worship. it's problematic on every level. big box stores in minnesota, hundreds and hundreds of people go there and yet we are only letting churches have ten people inside or outside and we don't even know when that would be lifted. phase two, phase three, phase four, there is no end insight whether it's weddings or funerals, it's a mess and that's why you see the catholic church coming forward. they didn't want to do that, large protestant churches are doing the same thing, that's the last thing they wanted to do. we push them so far, civil disobedience is their only precourse. >> laura: federal lawsuits have to be filed. i would hit that governor with a federal lawsuit, the justice department, i hope the president is watching -- this has got to

stop. this is harassment at this point of people of faith. paul, thank you very much, keep us informed. president trump defiance from a factory floor in michigan earlier today, is there a second wave and if so -- he will not shut down the country. we speak to a doctor who says that the right move. plus, the doc who repaired tom brady's knee tells us why sports at every level is vital to the nation's psyche. stay there. >> people say that's a very

♪ >> people say that's a very distinct possibility, and put out the fires, were not going to close the country -- whether it's an ember or a flame, were going to put it out. >> laura: that is trump at his best and exactly right, it needed to be said to. it just hours before, the cdc director, he strikes again, robert redfield was out sounded the alarm pushing the panic button telling the financial times "we've seen evidence that the concern it would go south in the southern hemisphere like the flu are coming true. and then when the southern hemisphere is over i suspect it will reground itself in the

north." why should we trust the cdc at all on this? last week we expose their history of political bias and frankly, they've been bungling for response to covid from the beginning. it started with their testing deficiencies and now this. the atlantic reporting that the cdc is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and used for different reasons. which now means that it's now way harder to actually gauge how much our testing capacity has improved and it's improved quits a bit. joining me now is dr. scott hjensen position and minnesota state senator. when people hear cdc, they want to say it's good housekeepingat seal of approval but what's really going on? >> the cdc has been around since the 1940s and its original intent has been to help against malaria. it threw steady mission creep, they have become something they were never intended to be.

for certain, it's a political organization and as you mentioned they bungled the testing right out of the blocks but what's even worse than that is once they realize they bungled it instead of looking for someone who was already moving forward and getting some help, epidemiologist larry brilliant made the comment they should have just swallowed their pride and reached out to germany and used their testing, but instead the cdc kept us mired down. so we got way behind right out of the blocks. seven weeks ago, we had the cdc mushing things and how to code death certificates and now we find out unconscionably they are mixing serology tests with other tests, this has no place in their work because these are driving governor's decisions. the american people need to draw a line in the sand and say we areo going to have to look at te cdc differently than we have before. >> laura: may be reformatted or reconstituted, but when we

can't evenau have faith in the numbers of deaths or tests thatt have been done, that erodes trust across the board. president trump, that's the last thing he needs right now is hearing redfield out thereoa constantly pushing the panic button just as we get a little good news. it's always no, no, can't be good news, got to take five steps backwards. the media are outraged that the president doesn't abdicate everything over to the cdc. >> the centers for disease can and, it really is considered a national voice. >> he should do with his own advisors and cdc says is important. >> talk about blowing up trust with the one agency that we as a country have had high regard for, and that is the cdc. >> laura: a few years ago the cdc was pushing gun control, that was their big effort. it's become a partisan

organization to a lot of us, i'm sorry, i'm sure there are good people there but why are they surprised that people don't trust them after what happened? >> they've absolutely fracture the trust. >> laura: dr. jensen, great to see you as always. my next guest is one of the world's premier sports orthopedic surgeons, he repaired tom brady's knee so you know he's pretty good. he says bringing back sports as it was -- not in a newd normal but ask it was is needed now me than ever. joining me now is dr. neil director of sports medicine at cedars-sinai medical center and head team doctor for the los angeles rams. why are sports the key to reopening? >> thank you for having me, it's been a privilege to be part of this process in getting this part of our life back, back to somewhat normal. we had theou opportunity to

demonstrate how this can be done safely and have some semblance not only of returned entertainment and a diversion, but actually see how people can get back to their normal livelihoods in a safe fashion. all that was asked was to provide a safe environment as possible, protect the vulnerable which we can easily identify in the population we deal with, and keep the restrictions of their normal life and livelihoods to a minimum, to parallel scientific protocols to help themem get bak to work. they trust us to do this, i think the result that people in the country are going to see is how this can be done in a nonpolitical way, doing things other than for the reason of optics, but have a scientific driven protocol to help people

get back to their livelihoods. >> laura: you're getting pretty technical, but i want too say sports is really important to our psyche as a people. it's really ingrained in the american way of life from little league -- i played softball and field hockey, sports was my youth. that was really my thing, study and sports is all i did and these kids, hearing from my own kids, they are missing out on a huge, huge part of their childhood. i think this summer especially in the hot weather months, not to allow kids to play sports, i think that's really damaging. >> now you're heading on the thing that's most important to me about this topic. i know you're a college football fan. i think alabama if i'm not mistaken. >> laura: you bet. >> the ncaa is going to be an

interesting issue, scholastic sports are an interesting issue because unlike in professional sports, it's going to be ethically very difficult if not impossible to treat the student athletes differently than you with the student body. so the ncaa is going to allow sports to come back if the same protection and protocols for the entire student body is available.co i think the biggest audience to see how this could be done with the professional sports leagues will be the scholastic sports in schools. it's going to be a huge devastating, probably irreparably damaging problem if you keep, like you were saying, these young athletes, these student athletes out of school. i don't think a large part of the american public understands what school and after-school sports and a school related sports does for a huge part of our population.

a lot of kids mentors are there coaches and teachers and oftentimes the safest thing they do during the day is go to school. if there's an audience i want to have witnessed how we can do this at a professional sports level it's our schools and scholastic sports. >> laura: i want sports back completely. not only nascar which we love but we want football, baseball, curling, i don't care what it is. we want all sports back as soon as possible. it's always inherent risks but it's important to us. thanks for giving voice to this, great to see you. a u.s. congressman has been working overtime to hold china to their account over their covid deception. the leadership in that country, they are putting a target on his back. new jersey's chris smith is here.

♪ >> laura: a few in congress are working harder than our next a guest to hold china accountable for its cover-up. as a result they put a target on his back. joining me now is new jersey congressman chris smith. what have you done that has them so upset in communist china? two major bills. the first one would empower americans to sue china for its willful or b grossly negligent misrepresentation to the world health organization. had they been honest, xi jinping deceives like nobody else i've ever known, he's the worst i've seen in terms of crushing

religious freedom, the pervasive use of torture and what they are doing to hong kong now is part of a pattern.gi we are paying the price of all the loss of life inn new jersey. and every country in the world. this would give that ability for people to sue and once they sue, it waives the foreign immunities act to allow that, similar to what we have done with saudi arabia, we can get a federal record because we are not going to have an accounting, certainly not from the w.h.o., as to what happened and why thiu was perpetrated on the world. >> laura: congressman, it looks like that beijing's man in washington, that guy could end up running point for biden on

china. former ambassador max baucus has given at least forgo different interviews the chinese propaganda outlets in the last two weeks repeatedly comparing the u.s. rhetoric on china to both the mccarthy era and nazi germany. this is the guy that did biden push to be the u.s. ambassador to china in 2013.na i think the american people need to know who might be shaping biden's policy with the ccp going forward if he should win heaven forbid in november. >> there are a large number of people, bill clinton excelled at it who enabled china, who separated human rights from trade, he did it on may 26, 1994 and we have never gotten our leverage back, they think we just do it rhetorically and there is no connection for trade or any other kind of carrot or stick. i'll never forget it, bill clinton had the butcher of

beijing to the white house and celebrated this man while he was in washington, while he was there, he said nobody died in tiananmen t square. i put together a hearing in two days, invited him to testify, saying you don't get away with lies and beijing in china, you're not going to get away with that. i have people who survived and watched it, the point is the pattern and deception is now having consequences for people in my district, our state, the country, and the world, 10,800 people have died in new jersey, endisproportionately people in nursing homes, this is a tragedy and it's all in my humble opinion because of willful deception -- we need to hold china to account and the w.h.o. the other bill that i'm sure they don't like would establish a truth commission. h >> laura: congressman, i could spend an hour with you. you are one of the most dedicated fighters for the pro-life cause and against what

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american auto industry is back open for business. our country wasn't meant to be shutdown. we did the right thing but now it is time to open up and be a strong nation, america must be a manufacturing nation. >> trump saying what need to be said, that is all the time we have left. >> we begin with a fox news alert, michigan democrats after the president takes his mask often public is during a tour of the factory, the speech at a visit with manufacturing workers. the democratic attorney general wants a conversation, and is hitting the president with personal attacks. >> he is a ridiculous person and i'm ashamed to have him be president of the united states of america and i hope the voters of michigan or member that in november. mike: we