>> sandra: all right, ed, and they are off. the president honoring our nation's heroes, are veterans, in a ceremony at the white house. >> ed: what a way to start our week, little guns n' roses, have a wonderful weekend. >> sandra: you, too, ed. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, former vice president and presumptive democratic presidential nominee, joe biden, facing swift backlash this morning over his new comments in a radio interview on undecided black voters ahead of the november election. take a listen to the exchange. >> you've got to come see us when you come to new york, vp biden. >> i will. >> it's a long way until november, we've got more questions. >> i tell you, if you have a problem, figure out whether you're from you are troubled, and you ain't black ain't black. >> it has nothing to do with trump, it has to do with the fact i want something for my community. >> take a look at my record, man! i extended the 20 dog voting

rights, 25 years. i have a record that is second-to-none. >> melissa: south carolina senator tim scott with this reaction, just a short time ago. >> that is the most arrogant, condescending comment i've heard in the very long time. and that's saying something. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. attorney and fox news contributor, emily compagno. executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us today, david asman of fox business, and he is "outnumbered." >> david: thank you. >> melissa: david, what are your thoughts on that? i know he already has folks out saying that he was just joking. >> david: right, right. >> melissa: what are your thoughts? >> harris: wow. >> david: it is consistent with them of the statements made in the past by democrats and liberals. i used to write for the editorial page of "the wall street journal," and we used to have comments by

people like tom sowell and justice thomas, shelby steele, black conservatives who coined the phrase "liberal plantation." he said there could be this idea among liberal communities, unless you think the way we do, there is something wrong with you. either you're not smart enough, or you crazy, or you are just pandering to conservatives in order to get something. it is an insult, and, frankly, it's downright racist, that notion. i am hoping that, in some way, he's going to try to pull back and correct himself, but there is an economic component to it, as well. which is that a lot of minorities in america, whether they're african-american or latin american, have been doing quite well. up until the covid virus, they were doing extraordinarily well in terms of unemployment figures, the best unemployment figures among blacks and hispanics ever in history. so, a lot of minorities who were

seen as voting almost reflexively for democrats are beginning to think, "gee, maybe i will do better with a more conservative economic policy." but to outright say it the way biden did, i think it's racist. >> melissa: so, this is his senior campaign advisor, simone sanders, tweeting, "the comments made at the end of the breakfast club interview were in jest. let's be clear about what the vp was saying. he was making the distinction that he would put his record with the african-american community up against trump's and a day, period." mary, that doesn't sound like what he said. was what he said racist? >> marie: well, it definitely was not racist. i don't think that is an appropriate term for what he said. i can see what simone sanders is saying, and that joe biden was talking about his record. it was an inappropriate thing to say, and the vice president should come out and admit that.

we all see things on television or radio interviews that maybe we would like to take back. but that doesn't negate the decades of service, the decades of record, that joe biden has accumulated fighting for the black community on everything, like you mentioned, from voting rights and numerous other issues. i do think he was making the point that he would put his record up against donald trump's, who has said overtly horrible racist things, but the vice president should come out and say, "you know what? i didn't say that exactly right. here's what i met." and move on. >> melissa: harris, what do you think? >> harris: i've been fighting against this notion that you are not black enough unless you think a certain way, you vote a certain way, you speak a certain way, you do certain things. my whole life, i grew up military. pretty much neutral along the zone of, can't we all just get along no matter what we look like? i have biracial daughters. melissa, you know them.

this is more than just a little offensive. it is shortsighted, it is a blind spot for this former vice president. he should have gotten up immediately on whatever venue, microphone he had. i would have said it for him immediately right there, the one he was already in, on "the breakfast club." and say, "you know what? let me restate that." i think this says it better. it's black voices for trump and their statement. i'm going to be the first couple sentences. "white liberal elitists have continuously dictated which black americans are allowed to come to the table and have a voice. it is clear now more than ever, following these racist and dehumanizing remarks, that joe biden believes black men and women are incapable of being independent or freethinking. he truly believes that a 77-year-old white man should dictate how black people should behave. biden has a history of racial

condescension, and today he once again proved that a growing number of black americans, and i've always known joe biden does not deserve our votes." that is the term 2020 senior advisor. you don't have to be in a particular race to know when someone puts you down because you're different. >> melissa: wow. emily, let me ask you. i mean, to me, it reminds me of when someone says because your woman you're going to think and feel this way. you are going to vote this way, or you need to vote for the woman. it doesn't feel good. >> emily: it doesn't. i thought this was an absolutely disgusting display of superiority, and exactly that kind of entrenched patronizing point of view that is so alienating to people who think for themselves, or people who dare to not accept the notion of

things just the way they are. that's why this was racist. because it displays a complete oblivion to the fact that things are the way they are because of privilege, because people were put into boxes and then characterized as such. i note senator tim scott the reaction via tweet, he said -- he pointed out that 1.3 million black americans voted for trump in 2016, and by that one comment that joe biden made this morning, he told them all, "you ain't black enough." and he said, this is par for the course for democrats to take the black community for granted and browbeat them for those who don't agree." i can't imagine what that feels like. as you pointed out, melissa, it can't feel very good. >> harris: i can tell you. >> melissa: it's also the vernacular, you know? to say, "you ain't black." i don't know. >> harris: i can't explain why

some -- anybody can be like this. i'm from the south. when i'm around my relatives, i suddenly have, as they call me, a sublease of an accent. that's not the same thing you're talking about, though. what you're talking about has a tinge of pandering to it. that's what i think you're getting at, melissa. i think you're right. you know, marie, he said this isn't racist. i don't like to call people names. i will take you at your word that you don't see it this way. can you see, though, that's hurtful that you tell people, just because were not all exactly locking step the same -- and i don't talk about how i vote or what i'm teaching my children or any of that in terms of politics. i mean as a human being. if you don't see things the way joe biden does, "you ain't black." it doesn't need a label, it's just hurtful. >> marie: of course, harris. and i think it was inappropriate. i think the vice president should come out and apologize for the words he used. i do.

i think he was trying to be -- i don't know, looser with how he was talking, more casual, because "the breakfast club" is a pretty casual show. but it was wrong, what he said. my bigger point was that we have to look at this in terms of the totality of what joe biden has done. the reason he is our nominee in the democratic party is because of the black support, starting in places like south carolina. the black community stood by him, voted for him, made him our nominee. and i appreciate tim scott's comments, but i would also point out that there's not a lot of other black legislators on the republican side who are in any position of power. if you're looking at the parties, and who they've fought for, and who they put into their leadership, who they nominate to run for office, and ultimately who votes for them, that has statistically overwhelmingly been the democratic party. we have big conversations about race to have in this country. the vice president messed up this morning, but we shouldn't

use that, in a partisan way, to distract from all of the other conversations we have to have in this country. whether it's about unarmed black men being shot by police or by other citizens, or people that are dying in prison because there are more black people in prison that are dying. these are big conversations we should have. not from a partisan lens, quite frankly. >> david: can i just say one thing, back to the economic point? which is we keep hearing from liberals and democrats, "well, joe biden has done so much for the minority communities. you have to judge him on the record." well, the record is not all that clear absolutely that he and other liberal democrats have done a lot for the black community. in fact, one can argue very cogently, as a lot of trump campaign officials are, that having the lowest unemployment rate among african-americans in history is doing more for the black community than all of the trillions of dollars of poverty programs that, frankly, have not

succeeded very much in changing their poverty status, whatever economic status -- jason riley, who i mentioned before, wrote a whole book about this. "please stop helping us: how liberals make it harder for blacks to succeed." these arguments that are made by very, very intelligent people, about the way in which economic policies change. maybe it is time for a change. remember when donald trump said, "what have you got to lose?" >> melissa: well, and also marie mentioned prisons, and we have seen so much work on criminal justice reform during this administration. just another thing to put their into the pot. georgia authorities pledging justice in the ahmaud arbery murder case. after a third suspect is brought into custody. we will have a live report next. >> as i told you back when i stood before you two weeks ago

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>> harris: authorities in georgia have made a third arrest in the ahmaud arbery murder case. the man who recorded the fatal shooting, back in february, is now also charged with murder as well as criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. jonathan serrie's life for us in atlanta. he's following the lead us in this investigation. jonathan? >> hi, there, harris. that their development is 50-year-old william "roddie" bryan. is expected to make his first appearance before a glynn county judge in south georgia a little later this afternoon.

agents arrested without incident just after 5:30 thursday evening. he faces charges of felony murder and criminal attempt of false improvement, in connection with the shooting of ahmaud arbery, which bryan captured on cell phone video but claimed he had nothing to do with the incident. >> i can tell you that, if we believed he was a witness, we wouldn't have arrested him. if there is probable cause, we are comfortable with that. >> two men seen confronting arbery in the video, 64 jo gregory mcmichael, former investigator for the local district attorney, and is 36-year-old son, travis, the told police they thought he was. two local das recuse themselves from the case without filing charges, but when brian's video of the incident leaked earlier this month, they were called in to investigate and arrested the mcmichaels may 7th on charges of murder. and aggravated assault. >> we are going to make sure

that we find justice in this case. we know we have a broken family and a broken community down in brunswick. >> gbi agents are conducting a separate investigation into whether local prosecutors mishandled the initial investigation into this case. they are expected to wrap up shortly, and turn over their results to the state attorney general who will make the decision on how to proceed. harris? >> harris: jonathan serrie, thank you very much. emily, with your legal background, i'm going to lean heavily on you now. this is moving along a lot faster than the previous 70 plus days when they just sat on this case, and now we have three arrests. this latest person, though, was a witness. how is that going to work legally, witness to criminally charged at this point? >> emily: right. so, this one, he is being charged with a felony murder, and that is the state's attempt

at discouraging any type of participation in what they deem inherently dangerous or violent for many. that is the notion that if a murder happens during the commission of a crime like that, even if it's accidental, that it's foreseeable and they should be held accountable. he is facing life in prison if he is convicted of this, and the additional attempted false imprisonment, that's between 1-10 years. his attorney says, "my client is no vigilante. he committed no crime, and he will be the state's star witness." that's an indication of likely where this trial is going to go, or at least where their cases, that he might sort of flip, as it were, and be that "our witness" for the state against the mcmichaels. note, however, the police report is pretty clear and says that mcmichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back in the direction which he came, talk about the victim, arbery, and it says "roddie," bryan, attended to block him and was unsuccessful. that's with the victim's family is pointing to, as well. this notion that he was just a

witness but he was just videotaping this, that the recent invention, they say. they say the police report is partly what should be evidence that should eventually hold him just as accountable as the mcmichaels. >> harris: just one more follow-up on this, emily. we'll move on and everyone can come into the conversation. you talk about this video, senator tim scott and i talked about this, too pray that there's a lot of videos. they transparencies to get all those videos. you've got the suspect who was a witness, recording this. do we know certain things because this suspect videotaped? i mean, did he kind of create a mess himself? >> emily: right, and i think i can be argued both ways. likely his attorneys well, when they are arguing what will probably be an inevitable plea deal, "without this he wouldn't have gotten this slam-dunk evidence," they will argue to the state. that he should somehow plea to a lesser charge in addition to him flipping against the mcmichaels.

remember, he maintains he didn't know. they just sidecar he recognized from the neighborhood driving by, chasing a man that he didn't recognize. he was just working in his yard. there are still differences of story, but he will absolutely proffer the fact that, because of that video, that is a gain on the prosecution's part. >> harris: all right, we'll move to this. it's about privilege, we think. i can't wait to talk about it. actress lori loughlin and her husband, mossimo giannulli, to plead guilty today in the college admission scandal. prosecutors accuse them of paying half a million dollars to get their daughters into usc, as fake recruits for the crew team under the plea deal, loughlin agrees that you month in prison. two years of supervision, and 100 hours of community service. giannulli agrees to five months in prison, a fine, two years of

supervision, and 250 hours of community service. both deals still must be approved by the judge before the legal side of this. melissa, i come to you. as a parent, when you look at this, why is she pleating now? right? the damage is already done. what is your thought on that? >> melissa: well, i know that a lot of what's going on right now has to do with alleged prosecutorial misconduct, and this idea that, potentially, the prosecutors gave fairly specific instructions to the alleged mastermind of this scheme in order to use the word "bribery," and, of course, i will let emily speak to this in a second and correct any mistakes i may have made. because i'm not a lawyer. to me, while i do not have sympathy for these parents and what they did as such a blatant sign of privilege and trying to use money to get ahead, at the same time, you wonder if the

prosecutors really did overstep like this and abuse their powers, how many other times have they done that? and we only hear about in this case because we do have wealthy defendants who do have the resources to drill deep and bring these things forward. to me, it makes me very concerned for other people who may be railroaded with prosecutors who are taking away their freedom unjustly. >> harris: interesting. emily, i come t back to you on e legal part of this. why now? is an interesting point. she said she was going to fight. we are in the middle of a pandemic. is that have anything to do with it? >> emily: it might. i would say this didn't surprise me at all. i've sat across the table from the fbi and prosecutors too many times to count. you guys, when you are being faced with a ton of charges, and that conspiracy to commit wire fraud, that's 20 years in prison alone. that is why the feds have a 97%

conviction rate from plea deals. it's because these guys are facing decades in prison, and ultimately you say, "fine, you know what? i'll do two months, pay $150,000." they paid half a million dollars to get their kids into school. this fine is less than that. ultimately, you just get beaten down at the prospect. you're not going to fight it anymore. i'm not even speaking to the guilt factor. to melissa's point about the disparity of power within the system, that's exactly right. i will say that is partly why we have built in such a weight to process. you talk about due process, if it's in any way tainted or if there is a loss within the chain of custody, it throws the entire thing out. that's how much value we place as americans on that due process, to ensure -- we would rather have a guilty person go free than one innocent person in jail. as melissa points out, a lot slips through the cracks.

>> harris: david? >> david: well, i think you nailed it, harris. when we are letting thousands of violent criminals out because of the covid crisis, i am sure at least part of their thinking, part of loughlin and her husband's thinking, "i'm going to get two months --" her husband gets five months. it's hard to imagine that any plea they had to be let out of prison because of the covid virus would not be answered. certainly, in light of all the thousands of violent criminals who are being let out. >> harris: is very quick thought you have, marie, on this? will >> marie: well, to pick up on what david said, we've alo seen paul manafort and michael cohen be released from prison because of covid. so, covid has upended many things in our society, the prison system is certainly one of them. it is also showing going back to the earlier conversation the real disparities and our prison system between how wealthy, well-connected people are

treated, and how people who are not wealthy and well-connected are treated in our prison system. another part of our society that covid has really laid bare. >> harris: all right, we'll scoot. more states are stepping up in reopening today. what president trump is now saying about a possible second wave of the coronavirus, and whether there could be future lockdowns. ♪ it's best we stay apart for a bit, but you're not alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19. [ piano playing ]

>> melissa: president trump doubling down on calls to reopen america and adding this when asked about a potential second wave of the coronavirus later this year. >> people say that's a very distinct possibility, its standard, and we are going to put out the fires. we are not going to close the country, will put out the fires. whether it's a number or a flame, we are going to put it out. but we are not closing our country. >> melissa: all 50 states are now in some stage of reopening, and at least 21 of them further

easing lockdown restrictions today, including alaska, the first to let businesses fully reopen at 100% of capacity. in a new fox news poll, 55% of americans say they'd rather wait to reopen, even if it hurts the economy. 34% say reopen now, even if the virus persists. david, let me start with you, because you and i have been talking off-line about what you call a tale of two cities. it is really stark. share that with our viewers. >> david: we have a perfect model for us. it's a covid tale of two cities. new york city and hong kong. they are about the same population, new york has 8 million, hong kong has 7 million. hong kong is very densely populated, so in a way it's a worse breeding ground for covid than new york. new york's lockdown entirely, it ended the economy. hong kong kept their economy open. guess what? new york city, just the city alone, ended up with 20,000

people dead from covid. hong kong, 4. not 4,000, not 400, 4. you can count on one and the number of people who died in hong kong as a result of covid. four people. it is worse in hong kong, they are next door to china, they have one of these fast trains directly to wuhan, but they have experience. back in 2002 and 2003, they were faced with the sars virus, they dealt with it, so they knew how to deal with it. we now have dealt with covid. we know how to deal with it, we know the mistakes we've made. certainly new york does. we'll be talking about that coming up. we are much better prepared, as hong kong was coming to do with the crisis. use hong kong's model. don't lock down, let the economy breathe, let new yorkers breathe, let other cities in america breathe as they must let the economy going and do the

provisions like hong kong has done to keep us safe and healt healthy. >> melissa: so, marie, i would also -- i wonder about the negative externalities of the lockdown. for example, according to the new york police department, last friday, 3,500 people lined up for hours outside of a catholic church to get one free meal. you know, they stood there for hours because they needed that one meal. that is a result of the lockdown. these are the things that we all try and balance, the lives at risk versus the lives at risk. what are your thoughts? >> marie: the way we've seen other cities and other countries do better than places like new york is through testing many, many more people, even at

a place like new york. new york is getting much better, there are more tests available now, both for covid and antibody test. but testing and tracing. when someone is infected, quarantining them, making sure anyone they came into contact with his quarantine. those are the kind of things we have not done well in this country. in washington, d.c., where i live, it is still very hard to get a covid test unless you are exhibiting symptoms. that's not how you have a success story like we've seen in other places. when it comes to reopening, it's not to reopen everything or stay shut down. democrats certainly don't want to say shut down, everything indefinitely, either. we have to be flexible. as we reopen and have certain businesses reopening, if we see spikes we have to have governors and mayors who have the flexibility to say, "okay, we are seeing a spike. here's how we are going to modify what we are doing," because i don't know what president trump means when he says, "we're going to put the fires out." there hasn't been a plan to put the fires out coming from his administration. the governors are picking up so much of the slack. we just have to be flexible. they have to be careful and we have to be in it together.

wear a mask. it's not taking away your liberty to keep other people from dying. that's the message. >> melissa: i would say, along those points, marie, i looked in your area. if you go on this app, which is how i found to get a test easily, there are a lot of tests available in your area. when you get the antibody test, it also tests you to see if you currently have the virus. so it tests both things. here in new york, there are thousands of tests that are sitting on the shelf currently because they have not had the demand of people coming in to try and get them. now you can go to -- there are literally four different places within a two block radius of me, where i can go out and very easily will not be turned away for any reason, even exhibiting no symptoms, and can get tests. this is something i know was harder a little while ago, but when we talk about tests and availability, you really have to stay on top of that information every day. it's changing very much. again, that apple, for anyone out there, tweet me and ask how

you find it, that's a great way you can find a test right now. harris, i'll give you the last word. >> harris: just a question for you, are the tests free? >> melissa: you can go to your public health department and get them for free. you can get a free test. i didn't try for that because i didn't think i would qualify. i paid $30. >> marie: some are only -- >> harris: let me finish, please. >> marie: sorry. >> harris: we have 38 plus million people out of work, melissa, as you and i have been talking about. they lost their health care, of them. they in a position where they can go out and even pay $30. i know specifically here in new jersey the wait for the free testing is quite different than it is if you have money in your pocket. i just put that out there. i love that app, it's great, it'll tell you where to go. if you got the cash, that's great. i have multiple family members.

it's not just $30, it's 30 times blah, blah, blah. on the wait for the free test, at least in the county where i live, there is in most cases and deaths in new jersey. those numbers, you're right, they change constantly. there might be another county he was ahead of us today, sadly. where i am, the wait can be 1-2 hours. people don't have it necessarily to be able to wait. i just put that out there. >> melissa: that's a great point and a great idea for a gofundme. to sponsor, put in $30 and sponsor somebody else's test. or when you get a test you can sponsor a free one. i would put that out to the urgent care near me, that's a fantastic idea. pay for two, pick up someone else's. the woman in front of me in line was trying to reopen her restaurant, so she brought all of her workers and she paid for everyone in her business to have the test. so they can go back to work. these are all great ideas, it's a great idea and a great point.

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>> harris: the associated press is reporting new york state officials ordered more than 4,300 recovering coronavirus patients to be sent to already overburdened nursing homes in late march. that decision was later changed, a reversal of policy amid criticism it was accelerating the death toll in the u.s. epicenter of the pandemic. the ap reports it is still verifying incomplete data on all of this. however, democratic governor andrew cuomo says the blame lies elsewhere. watch this. >> anyone who wants to ask, "why did the state do that with covid

patients in nursing homes," it's because the state followed president trump's d.c. guidance. so, they should ask president trump. >> harris: david asman, yesterday we broke some news on this with an exclusive on "over time." i reach out to the governor's office before that, because journalists, to be prudent, you want to do that and see if you get a comment. i'm still waiting. if you really wanted to make that comment, wow. really, at this stage? or not make it when he reversed the policy? >> david: well, exactly. it's passing the buck. while that may have been one of many things that were on the guidance from the cdc, not all governors took that guidance. it was guidance, it wasn't orders. you look at ron desantis, who did exactly the opposite of what cuomo did down in florida, and he has saved many lives. nursing homes are not forced to take covid patience the way

new york nursing homes were. and then, his refusal to really answer direct questions. frankly, the refusal of the press to ask him direct questions. he was on a program with his brother, and they were joking around about various testing swabs and so forth rather than dealing with the serious issue. i think part of the blame has to be on the press. the press is not directly asking him the hard questions that need to be asked. there is accountability necessary here, i believe. >> harris: marie, just in terms of putting -- "blame" seems too basic of a word. let's talk about accountability. the governor was arguing, went to the white house, talking about ventilators, and everything. it's up to the president to do some things, the government to do others. they will have to tell us what the rules are. exactly what david is saying, some governors make choices based on the people in their

state. this is fraught with difficulty now. there is potentially coming congressional investigation. a ton of lawsuits. they don't name president trump or the administration, they named new york, governor cuomo. >> marie: this topic is heartbreaking. as you mention, harris, fraught with controversy. our governors should be able to trust cdc guidance and guidance producing the cdc falling short during this pandemic. we should also acknowledge there is a lot we still don't know about this virus. governors are on the front lines of trying to deal with it as information is changing. for a long time, we didn't know how it impacted children, or thought it didn't. and then we thought children might have been getting some separate disease from it. >> harris: we still don't know for sure. >> marie: we thought it would last longer and services, and now the cdc is saying it doesn'. it's tragic, it needs to be investigated, and the governor should be held accountable. understanding that everyone is

dealing with incomplete information on this virus still. >> harris: emily? >> emily: exactly. i think david had a good point there, which is that there is that level of separation that he's trying to make, this governor. he is saying it's trumps cdc all the sudden rather than the cdc. that'll play a big role in the culpability found in any of these lawsuits. it's especially tragic in combination with the fact that we have in over 66% infection rate in new york city in the home. so it was exacerbated, unfortunately, by the governor's policies. remember, secretary azar came out yesterday and said that for every increase by 1% of the unemployment rate, he projects or suggests that he will see a 1% increase in suicide and a three increase in opioid deaths. the more we learn, the more tragic it is. but we can trace it back to decisions. unfortunately these decisions were, at best, incredibly poor.

>> melissa: is one thing to make a mistake because -- >> harris: our colleague collea, janice dean, told heartbreaking story on "tucker" last night about her in-laws who perished in what they wish they known they would have been facing those nursing homes are putting those loved ones there. >> melissa: that's right. you can talk about the initial impulse that started this, when they were trying to make space in the hospitals. because if they're going to overflow. anderson the notion. the day governor cuomo reversed his decision and acknowledge the disaster going on in nursing homes, when we were hearing about 50, 60 people who died in their beds and were taken away, on that day the cover of the newspaper said 5200 deaths too tolate. the problem isn't the cdc and the first place, it's that this exploded and went on people were screaming and he didn't listen. >> david: by the way, it's us as the seniors. it's a health care workers who died, as well.

>> harris: exactly. the young nurse i talked with exclusively yesterday said that she came from boston to volunteer. she saw governor cuomo and came down, personal businesses shut down, her muddy spot. she said, "i'm going to take those gifts and do some indifference." they didn't have all the materials, the pp they needed, to be able to change as often as they would going in and out of these rooms, which is very frail people in them. we'll move move on. senate republicans weighing another coronavirus release package now, which could include cuts to an employment insurance benefits. why g.o.p. leaders say that is a necessary move right now. necessary, they say. ♪ payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

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>> harris: and we are waiting now for the president of united states, getting ready to hold a pop-up event, a news conference, and his focus, we are being told, is going to be church services, the religious freedom fight that is playing out among churches across the country, as areas remain locked down in some states are telling parishioners that they need to do their services remotely or in very small gatherings. there are pastors, ministers,

rabbis, people from every walk of religious life, who are pressing against that have paid saying, "wait a minute, what about services, if you want to come? we will socially distance and do the things you called upon us to do. wear masks, and so forth." pastors are saying these sorts of things were seeing in texas and kentucky, with mega-churches opening up and some people making the decision, parishioners on their own, to attend online or attend in person, in defiance of what some of the rulings and restrictions are. the president of the united states is now going to step up and talk about that issue. when that happens at the top of the hour, we will take you there live. all right, as we wait for that, david, i bring you in on this. this is a wider conversation about religious freedom in this country. not just three openings on this particular weekend. >> david: you know, it's a

very personal subject for my wife and me. i just became catholic about a year ago, and catholicism is a very tactile religion. you touch things, you take the communion from the priest. that is sacrament, that sacrament alone, not to mention the last rites that have been dr all those people because they can't let priests and they, it goes to the heart of a lot of people who seriously believe there is a life beyond the life we are living now and that it has to be addressed within our constitutional rights. it hasn't been and it needs to be. there are some very difficult situations, questions to answer. a lot of bishops and cardinals and individual priests are asking themselves that question right now. but it'll be interesting to see how the president deals with this. >> harris: when you talk about the afterlife, david, a lot of people, millions of them, are focused on the now life.

and the now life may need the essential -- it may require the essential need for spiritual upliftment. what do you say about this, emily? i come to you based on what, legally, is the challenge here. >> emily: right. i think what both of you said, how david phrased it is really beautiful. you pointed out, you said, "essential. close with that segment a lot of these people are making. a, this is essential, this is fundamental. do not include us in phase one train and face 2 is missing that point, that this is fundamental to not only a fabric of our being but also the fabric of our nation. that's why it was baked into the constitution. secondly, the fact that these guys are saying an argument, "we are socially distant compliant when the worship, we should be included for that fact, as well. >> harris: all right. everybody can see to the left of the screen what they do to get that briefing room ready to go.

you see journalists and others pulling into view. that's what we are watching. we're waiting for the president of the united states to talk about worship, from every lane, every religion in this country, and religious freedom. on the other side of the break, stay tuned. new one a day natural fruit bites multivitamins are made with farm grown apples as the first ingredient. and key nutrients you want. so you can have a daily multivitamin free of stuff you don't want. one a day natural fruit bites. a new way to multivitamin.

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