in just 165 days, you will be the ultimate jerry. that is all the time we have left this evening. as always, thank you for being with us. we hope you set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "hannity." have a great night, have a great memorial day weekend. ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is a special edition of "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. "the road to recovery." we are bringing you stories and guests people enrolled in figuring out how america can safely and confidently returned to work. it's about time. we will speak to business owners confronting challenges like onerous lockdown orders, from blue state governors, usually, and those highlighting the current and future challenges of a society that doesn't know what normal will actually look like. don't you hate the phrase "new normal?" and raymond arroyo will be here, and he will discuss how innovative americans are seeking to strike this balance as we

begin to emerge from the lockdown. but first, we thought it was very important to begin the show, all of you, speaking directly to businessmen and women, what they are really going through. they are trying to fight tooth and nail to reopen and regain their livelihoods from these lockdown-loving governors. george and nick are the owners of the brick and mirror beauty bar in parsippany, new jersey. after two months of complying with democrat governor phil murphy's lockdown orders, these two men finally had enough. they are defying the governor and reopening on june 1 trend, and it's not just about their own livelihoods, but about the well-being of their staff, of ce it is, they desperately want to get back to work. thank you both for being here tonight, also with me is frank mendoza, who has run a restaurant in boston with his brothers for 25 years, and he is one of many restaurant owners in massachusetts who are beyond frustrated that their life's

work is being destroyed. and it's happening right before their very eyes. i know so many restaurant tours in th the washington, d.c., area were telling me the same thing, and the governor's actions are prolonging the suff. frank was thrust into the national spotlight after president trump tweeted out eight clip of him saying he would take the can rotavirus ovr losing his business. frank, thanks for coming on. last but not least is ew bidder who runs a hotel in vermont with his brothers, his business survives on a tourism-based model being absolutely destroyed by vermont's onerous travel restrictions on people coming into the state from out-of-state. that the lifeblood of the state hospitality industry, of course. thank you for being with us tonight, ew. great to see all of you. we are also going to bring in some financial experts to answer your questions and just moments, and i know a lot of you want to know what we're going to look like on the other side of this, but first, i want to get to your stories, because they are frankly the story of so many

millions of americans across the country, and my first question is do you, george and nick, we will start with you, george, what was the final straw and made you decide, come hell or high water, you were going to open up and go back to work in defiance of the governor's order of? >> so, what happened is, he gave us a 15 day mark, march 18th or 19th, and told us, basically, listen, we have to shut down because of covid-19, which we agreed, it's obviously killing people and i totally agree, and then, you know, after that, he made another executive order for 30 days, and then another for 30 days, and my business partner, i said, you know what, enough is enough. we take in the proper cautions, we have to open up. we tried to reach out to him many times come he's never returned our calls, doesn't want to speak with us, and if you like what he is doing, not only hair salons and barbershops and gyms, but every small business,

it's an absolute, you know, abuse of power, in my opinion. >> laura: and nick, what do you say to the people who respond, these types of entreaties, by saying, well, you guys -- you guys are just not thinking of public safety. one life lost is one life to many, if you can save a life by staying close, that's better for everyone. what do you say, nick, to that? >> we are actually licensed to be doing what we're doing, just because you get covid-19 doesn't mean you die, just because you go in a building like walmart or home depot doesn't mean catch covid-19. just because you enter my salon and we take every precautionary measure to prevent the spread of covid-19 doesn't mean you're going to get covid-19. we are taking the proper steps, so just walking into the building doesn't mean you get it. >> laura: it's almost like nobody dies of anything else of these days other than covid-19. people are still dying of other diseases, and they are all awful and they are all terrible, but we are only focused on the issue at hand, which i guess is

understandable, but there are other issues that are coming into play, even dr. fauci, frank, today, said, if we prolong a shutdown longer than is absolutely necessary, could do irreparable harm, and i think a lot of people were really happy to hear dr. fauci say that, because for the longest time, of course, he was just looking at one aspect of this, which is the virus itself, and that is his job, but frank, you recently applied for a license to expand your outdoor seating, and what happened, the city of boston responded with a questionnaire? and you could see it ask whether or not you are a minority or an immigrant? like, what? what does that have to do with running your business, frank? >> i don't know, laura, i was actually really confused when i looked, and they asked us if you are an immigrant, minority, i'm not sure the rest of it. i am an immigrant, though, i

came here, but i was actually shocked they asked that. i did fill out the questionnaire, for the outside seating, and i am an immigrant, so -- >> laura: is a curious add-on question, when the focus is supposed to be, just public health and safety, i'm not sure what that has to deal with it, but frank, were you surprised on the president retweeted your clip? >> i was surprised. i was surprised that the only republicans -- he's the only republican that actually did that, i have a republican governor that didn't do it, but he did. yeah, it was nice, it was nice of him to do it. >> laura: what is your chance of survival if you don't open up soon? >> you understand, this neighborhood is a lot of -- we will survive because we are very hard workers. me and my brother, we gave our life to this place, so the chances of me closing are, you know, i won't let it happen, you

know. >> laura: god bless you. that's the spirit we want to. >> there are some people, though, they are afraid. some people are telling me they can make it to the summer, and then the fall, without having events and, you know, basketball, hockey, stuff like that, outside of the boston garden or, it's a ghost town, a lot of sports bar, it depends on the sports and the events. >> laura: got to open up. i got to get to ew and vermont, still under strict lockdown, ew, but here's what the covid situation looks like in your state. 954 total cases, only three people are currently hospitalized. 827 have recovered, 54 have died. what is your governor's excuse for strangling the economy, ew? >> well, it's interesting you bring that up, if you go back

and read the actual executive orders, the premise for those executive orders was to prevent the overall -- the overwhelming end overwhelming and devastation of our health care system. health care system in the state has never been more underwhelmed in its history. those numbers reflect at the executive level, that they've done such an excellent job in their self-aggrandizement. keep in mind, the least densely populated state in the country, and look out west, wyoming, south dakota, montana, you might also look at them and say they have done a remarkable job, but they don't have the same lockdown measures, and they obviously have benefited by the low density of that state. >> laura: well, anyone who has ever been to vermont, it is a beautiful place, incredibly gorgeous, skiing, i remember in college it was kind of a real i'm a regular old ski town, but it's gotten very fancy, and

during the summer, as well, but you depend on tourism. you know, tourism, i don't see how a lot of small businesses survive. i just don't see it. but gentlemen, i want to continue this conversation on reopening the country and getting people back to work, but first, let's bring in our financial gurus to dispense advice from steve o steve forbes and chris hogan, radio talk show host, author, and personal finae expert. chris, you've been listening to the stories tonight from our business owners, new jersey, massachusetts, vermont, kind of focused on that part of the country, for no good reason, but those are places still subject to these pretty draconian lockdown orders. what do you do when you are in a situation like this? is it civil disobedience? is that lawsuits? order, just pray, at this point? >> well, laura, what you see with all three of these business owners are people that are fighting to survive. these business owners are very

serious about their business. these aren't hobbies. this is how they are serving their constant number of customers, this is how they are providing for their families, so they need the opportunity to be able to push forward, and the road to recovery doesn't happen sitting in hiding, it's about us moving forward, clearly, and being aware, taking precautions. as the gentleman said come up north, they are doing everything they can to keep people safe when they come in, we need that right to be able to move forward in this country. >> laura: steve forbes, you got the sense today from the president that he is just about done with the draconian lockdown orders. he sees the real hunger in the american people to get back to work safely. i love frank's story, the immigrant story, hard worker, reminds me of my mom stories about her parents, and just that ethic of "i want to get out there and work. i don't want to sit at home and watch netflix and wait for a check. i want to be out there working." and that is the story of america, and what about all of these immigrant businesses now,

steve? where did they go? i must restrict giving people confidence to get back in? >> that is why the pressure, whether it is civil disobedience or going after your representatives on the like, petitioning, has got to be done. we already know, we seen it in florida, georgia, colorado, which has a democrat governor, but he used to do business as before, he knows no revenue, you don't survive, so we have to keep this opening going with speed, we know it can be done safely, we've seen it in actual practice, and the other two things, by the way, the federal government can do, is provide liability protection when these businesses open, they don't get harassed by lawsuits, frivolous lawsuits. the other thing they can do is suspend the payroll tax, so when you hire somebody, you pay them, you know that, the cost of labor is less, they earn more, win-win all around. one other thing, laura, i'm surprised the federal government hasn't done is the treasury department has kept ridiculous restrictions on getting loans

from the ppp program, 75% of your money has to go for payroll. the fact of the matter is, for a lot of businesses, utilities, rent, are the biggest expenses. treasury can throw out those dumb rules right now. i don't know why they don't do it. so, all of the above. you pray, you fight, you get out there, and you pressure, and the demonstrations work. new jersey wouldn't have gone as far as it did, which is almost nowhere, if people hadn't gone out and started to do these demonstrations. we've seen it in other parts of the country, too. >> laura: and business owners, guys, have some specific questions for our economic money gurus, so i'm going to open it up now. nick, let's go to you first, nick. what is your question? >> so, a lot of business owners have 401(k)s come and we are not getting the funding we need. the ppp money is supposed to last for eight weeks, and where ten weeks, longer? two months, three months? a repoll from the 401(k)s or

iras, what kind of penalties, if they will be waived, and are we going to be taxed for that? >> laura: chris, why don't you handle that? >> with the cares act, they lifted the 10% penalty on that, but you are still going to be liable for the taxes over a two year period, so pulling money out of there right now, there is nothing in place to shield you at all. you would still have to pay the taxes over a two year period of time, so guys, i know, as you look at your business and are thinking, okay, we are ready to open, we are trying to do what is ever necessary, i just want to caution you, as you do that, essentially you are pulling from the future to take care of the present, so you want to be very mindful. i tell people that are two reasons to touch retirement funds: preventive foreclosure or to prevent a personal bankrupt bankruptcy. so be mindful of that as you walk this path. >> laura: let's go to frank now. frank, of course, the restaurant business. frank, you have a question about

capacity. >> yeah, i wanted to know, how i'm supposed to pay 100% of my bills with only 25% of the occupancy that the government is telling me i'm supposed to do, with 6 feet separation. >> well, first of all, we know n 6 feet, and second, this micromanaging, nick faking 25%, 32.3%, it's ridiculous, they are arbitrary numbers, and you should make the judgment and let people judge if they think a place is safe and unsafe, and we now know, we, the elderly, are more vulnerable, if you have certain conditions, you are more vulnerable. trust the people, the information is out there, post information, provide the masks, though i'm sure you're finding ways to allow us to eat and have the masks nearby, but these arbitrary numbers are just nonsense. they should be gotten rid of. use your judgment, and the people will make the decision, is of the safe or unsafe? you've got to have revenue.

>> laura: i think the idea of measuring seats, and i saw something yesterday, guys, it's really 18 feet. i kid you not, there was a video on one of our cable competitors, well, through the 18 feet. next week, it will be a mile, and you can still get covid. ew -- hold on, chris, we've got to get ew income and he's not going to get his question. ew, i want you to speak up, your skype was a little low last time. you have a question, go ahead, my friend. >> sure, if states are required to provide -- for the benefit of everyone else come in this case, public safety is what we have been told, why is that not happening? >> laura: who wants to take the outcome of the gurus? chris, you take it? >> i don't know, to be honest with you.

on the government side, a lot there's a lot of trying to figure this out on the move. there we've never seen anything from a pandemic situation. we've seen tough times, 9/11, y2k, the great recession up '07 end '09. all of these governors are operating autonomously, they can make some decisions. i don't know. if i'm you, i'm putting pressure on my state reps, going to have meetings to find out, what are they doing to help? right now, what they've done is given you a lot of restrictions and prevented you from providing for your family. >> laura: all right, gentlemen -- let me just jump in there, because i will say this, i will say this. hold on, i will say this. creative lawyers can come up with good causes of action, and you are on the right track, ew, with talking about a taking. you are taking people's livelihood, you must compensate them on the other side, and i think you are thinking the right way. all you ceos, small businesses, medium-sized, get

together and put pressure, legislatively, through lawsuits and so forth, and you are going to be in good stead. all of you, great to see you, keep up the good fight. and coming up, dissension in the ranks as democrats and blue states are calling other governors of her continued lockdowns. pete hegseth is here. he's been hearing from people all over the country, and he feels the same, next. ♪

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>> laura: democrat leaders and congressmen, state governors embracing their new identity ass a lockdown party, but how is that sitting with the rank-and-file in their party? well, in pennsylvania, democrat state lawmakers are souring on governor tom wolf's ridiculous, draconian lockdown measures. one philly area state rep saying her constituents have not yet seen evidence that your

administration recognizes and sympathizes with the added physical, emotional, and financial suffering they are facing. but it's not just in p.a., across lake erie, michigan's governor witless witmer is facing mass demonstration concert act on orders, and the sheriff of genesee county and the mayor of detroit, both democrats, are also challenging her ruthless power grab. and in new jersey, the president of the state senate, this is democrat steve sweeney, he's railing against governor phil murphy for taking too long to reopen businesses. now, reopening is no longer a red versus blue issue, it's a matter of survival. it's the people versus control freaks, liberty versus lockdown, and i like to say. earlier this week, "fox & friends" host pete hegseth travel to belmar, new jersey, where he visited a gym that reopened with support from everyone in the community,

right and left. sadly, since pete's visit, the gym has been harassed, almost daily, by state officials and forced to close back down. pete hegseth, "fox & friends: week"" host, and author of the fabulous new brook n book. this isn't republican versus democrat, you've seen it firsthand. tell us what your thoughts are, as we continue to see a deprivation of liberty across the country. >> i did see it on monday and i've stayed in touch with those gym owners all week long and their lawyers, and i love that this is the revolt of the gym owners, the revolt of the salon owners, the barbershops, restaurants, tattoo parlors, sometimes the revolt comes from the most unlikeliest of places. this is how the elites look at it, they just own a gym or a hair salon, no, these are hardworking entrepreneurs who

understand their rights, and they are standing up for the rest of us. you are right, this is not left versus right, this is liberty versus lockdown, as you said. this is common sense. i get a chance to go across the country with "fox & friends" all the time, and the death of common sense wisdom in this country is with the elites reject. they don't respect people enough to let them make their own risk calculation, and people are starting to say "it's time to open up across the board, i don't care where you live," and that is a reflection of the fact we should respect people enough, that is what free people do, laura. >> laura: governor desantis of florida has really led the way, pete, and having a very pragmatic approach to what is ultimately a health issue, it's a bad virus, it killed a lot of people, but you still have a lot of people who need to survive, need to thrive, need to make money, need to take care of their families, and he has really pushed back in recent days. watch. >> i really trust parents, i

trust of the physicians who work with the kids, i trust our local leaders, i trust the coaches and the people who are involved in these camps, to really do things in a way that keeps people safe. i think that is a much better approach than having the state government do 100 rules for tennis camp, because you know what? some of these things don't end up being very sensible at all. >> laura: pete, if the question comes between going to a state run by, you know, murphy, or cuomo, or newsome, or going to a state run by, you know, greg abbott in texas or ron desantis in florida, that's a pretty easy call. god bless the people of new york and new jersey, they had a tough time, but the leadership has not been there. >> no, what a glaring example of federalism. i'm stuck in new jersey come i can get to florida or texas fast enough. i'm guessing there are plenty of people thinking the exact same way. or a couple months ago when i set the more i learn about this

virus, the less concerned i am, and i stand by that. i respected the impact this has had on people and i take the virus seriously, but you can both do that and understand that we know a lot more about how it transmits, who it affects, and we can protect those people and let everyone else respect and go about their lives, and if you don't want to go out, you've said this time and time again, you don't have to go out, it's your choice. but ron desantis and greg abbott and others, they understand you can't keep peopld down from your livelihood is gone, your life is crushed, you can't expect them to operate at 25% capacity, and ethical bankruptcy. >> laura: never going to work. >> we have to get to normalcy. >> laura: i love how the subtitle of your book, pete, is "our fight to stay free." every generation, how to do what we can, maybe it is being on a tv show in talking about the declaration, our rights, may be working as a front-line worker,

maybe just owning a business or being a parent, but we all have to stand up for freedom while we do smart things like wash our hands are not caulk all over other people, but we've got to, we've got to do our part, and i'm so happy for you with your book, pete, and i know it's already done so well, and congratulations. everyone needs to go out -- >> thank you, laura. thank you very much. >> laura: all right, you take care. pete hegseth. thanks so much. locking down the country to avert a public health crisis from covid is escalating a new one, experts are saying. counties across the united states are seeing drug and alcohol use skyrocket. traffic for the website rehab.com's report of the up 382% in the last few days as people look for ways to combat substance abuse and mental health problems. it's all part of what my next guest calls a pandemic within a pandemic. joining me now is tim ryan, addiction expert and star of the a&e special "dope man," and also

the founder of "a man in the recovery foundation. tim, you are a former heroin addict yourself. so i know this issue is so important to you, personally, as well as this is what you do professionally, but why isn't this getting more attention? >> thank you, laura. you know, unfortunately, prior to the covid epidemic, people were making acceptable, oh, 180 people died today, and it's just passive now. the government, the precedent, the past president, the current president, has not allocated enough funds for people suffering with substance abuse, mental health issues, to find a proper care you have families with private insurance, they can usually find treatment, but a lot of families that have state insurance or no insurance are left to the wayside. now we have is pandemic within a

pandemic. the next crisis is going to be the mental health and substance abuse crisis. >> laura: i want people to understand what recovery is like for addicts. it is already really hard. relapses are common, especially with a drug like heroin, and this is what they are saying, tim, about the struggle to stay sober during this crisis. watch. >> recovery for me isn't just not using, it's trying to get to meetings where you can get that support, and a lot of that support has been cut off. >> and people are anxious, they're looking to quell and calm that. people don't like feeling uncomfortable in their skin. >> you need other people that have been through what you've been through, or else -- >> laura: when you take it to the recovery aspect of it, how hard is it to stay sober when you don't have interaction in person with others? >> people in recovery need

connection and purpose. to be able to go get a 30 day or a 60 day or a nine-month or a 12 month coin, saying i am 12 month clean and sober, you can't do that. yes, people are able to do zoom meetings and connecting through face time, but it's not the sam. these fellowship meetings, in general, should be essential, because the relapse rate is through the roof, for opiates, for alcoholism, for mental health, and for suicide. our phones are ringing off the hook, every day i'm reading more and more and more phone calls about people that have relapsed, that have been 5, 10, 15, 25 years clean and sober, because they lost their connection. >> laura: from march 15th to may 20th, in shelby county, tennessee, and that include memphis, there were 112 deaths from drug overdoses, and 88 from covid. and tim, while that's not the same for every area, and of course we don't minimize -- we

are not minimizing covid debts year, but the health director in that county says this and jump for the okie opioid deaths was unprecedented, and that was the quote. >> it's happening nationwide, even where i originally was from, dupage county, illinois. in three weeks, they had over 20 opioid overdose deaths. they've only had 25 covid deaths over the past, you know, eight or nine weeks here. opiates are still one of the number one killer's parable alcoholism is the number one killer out there, and we are not talking about it, and there's not enough resources and not enough avenues for people to find help. >> laura: tim, i thank you, you hit the nail on the head when we talked about what is and is not essential. a pot dispensary, a liquor store is called essential, but 12 step meetings and fellowship meetings are not?

or just basic worship is not? that's insanity. and we are going to see a lot more problems. i hope we learn from this. tim, thank you for being out there advocating for people who frankly do not have a voice in recovery, and those who are currently addicted. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> laura: coming up, as americans start emerging from lockdown, they are coming up with creative ways to eat and drink while wearing masks. plus, hollywood and the left give inspirational coronavirus commencement speech is. you don't want to miss it. raymond arroyo is here with all of the details in "friday follies." that is next. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional -- confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans.

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♪ >> live from america's news headquarters, i'm ashley strohmeyer. one of the nation's top rental car agency is preparing to file bankruptcy as soon as this weekend, according to "the wall street journal." hertz is just one of the latest businesses left reeling from the coronavirus outbreak. the company has about $19 billion in debt. kentucky prosecutors are preparing to dismiss all charges against grandma taylor's boyfriend, taylor, an emt, was reportedly shot by police during a no knock search warrant, part of a drug investigation. thehe was charged with attempted murder and assault. meanwhile, the fbi is now investigating taylor's shooting, and march 13th instance sparking

national outrage. i'm ashley strohmeyer, now back to "the ingraham angle." ♪ >> laura: it's friday, and that means it's time for... "friday follies." joining us with all the follies of recovery is fox news contributor raymond arroyo. all right, raymond. for some reason, the music seems especially festive tonight. >> we need a little festivity. >> laura: we need, we've had such a tough time, there is so much loss of life, but people do seem to want to get out and have some relief and some laughter, so they been getting very creative, i understand, during the reopening. what is happening? >> the innovation of people is simply incredible, laura. at times, it's a bit scary, have to admit. some of these inventors made headlines this week for a mask that could be won at

restaurants. you simply hit the button, and it opens to allow eating. now, you know, this disturbs me a little bit, because just dashed eat outside, you don't need to wear the mask if you're outside, being socially distant. i get worried about that thing. but i think i can top it, laura. a new orleans artist has unveiled the drinking mask, which allows for easier, hands-free, social distance drinking, a little slip for a straw in the mask, an interior flap covers the whole when it's not in use. that seems to be a good creation. i kind of like that idea. >> laura: that is going to be a big hit at the dartmouth fraternity parties, i can tell you that. >> any fraternity parties. >> laura: exactly, anywhere. there are also a lot of changes coming, and raymond lives in new orleans, so that is a restaurant capital -- one of them -- of the world, so the diminished capacity, and the little washington filling its dining rooms with mannequins in

virginia. >> mannequins, yeah. and in sydney, one restaurant put cardboard cutouts and empty seats, laura. it's a little spooky. you know, i would keep wondering, is that cut out at table three looking at me, what is she doing? what is happening over there? did she just take a picture? and the mannequins, i don't like this at all, it's like dinner at rod sterling's house. the roadhouse of wax, i kept thinking. >> laura: no, i don't like movies where the dolls are horror creatures -- >> come to life? >> laura: "chucky," i didn't like any of the "chuckies." >> come on, brunch with chuckie and laura, we will put that on fox nation. >> laura: that is more frightening than a nancy pelosi press conference, okay? no. remember that one, "chucky gets lucky?" >> i hope not to. laura, this is probably one of the most distressing innovations

of the corona period. in l.a. designer has unveiled and underwear line with the names of people to call the dream team, fauci, cuomo, our emblazoned on the undies. what was the qualification for getting your name on the underwear? >> laura: there's got to be really inappropriate for hon, but i'm going to leave it right there. i'm not going to go anywhere with that. it's barely working. >> i was thinking it, may be the absolute perfect salute to these people, because these are the men who wanted to make us, put us in the position that underwear normally is, underground come under wraps, and in the dark. maybe that is what they are trying to convey. it's the perfect accessory for the corona period for these three. this is the time of year, laura, when graduates look for the successful, and they looked to

be successful, rather, or words of wisdom. for those taking part in virtual commencement ceremonies, i hope your ceremony was more practical and inspiring than the one celebrated by the university of southern california. listen to this. >> happy graduation to the class of 2020. wu! yeah! >> who am i? what do i want? what's my purpose? what am i grateful for? >> the goal is not to be better than the other man, but your previous self. >> i hope you are able to practice some self-care, too, guys. but taking a nap, a bath, going on a walk, meditating. >> what is my story? to be human is to have a story. >> one hopes that story is more understandable than the ep db invites doled out by these people. do you believe that advice?

>> laura: send me a memorandum for when the phrase "self-care" is retired, okay? that is the worst, okay? oh, please, i had a soft spot -- i've always liked him. i'm going to send him a pair of nonreflective lenses, though, because obviously, hard times over there. >> laura, when i first saw it, i thought, somewhere, dame edna is looking for her glasses. why does he have rhinestones on the ends? anyway, that was my first thought when i saw him. i didn't quite know -- [laughter] >> laura: the virtual commencement -- [laughter] i can't. >> okay, i'm going to do this.

there was a feminist commencement ceremony, laura, hosted by a group calling itself -- for the grads of 2020, it was as expiring as the usc event. watch. >> what is most fulfilling in my life, and this is the meat of my message to you: good girlfriends. >> follow the path that feels right to you. i challenge you to stay true to the bean taco, and not conform to the pop tart. >> you know you are made special. no one has ever been like you before and no one will ever be like you again. you see, you have a special gift, and when we put our gifts together, we are all part of one big mosaic. >> laura: oh, my god! thank god they drown him out at the end with the mosaic reference, talk about a tired old trope. >> he looks like he's auditioning to be the next mister rogers. my favorite was eva longoria's advice, stay true to the taco,

don't conform to the pop tart, laura. what a message for young ladies. >> laura: move over at robert frost and longfellow, i've got to get my makeup reapplied now, raymond. >> i'm sorry for that. >> laura: memorial day weekend. >> you too. >> laura: and good night to you. coming up, real-time tracking and temperature scanning helmets? the shocking way one futurist describes life after covid. that's next.

♪ >> laura: one of the question that a lot of you are asking right now is, are we ever going to be able to go back to normal again? we hear the new normal, you know how much i hate that phrase,

right? while so, when it comes to some areas of life, particularly moving freely about society, the answers are unfortunately a largely up in the air, literally. many airlines aren't already instituting mandatory temperature checks and leaving middle seat empty on flights. as for what could come next, there are proposals for immunity passports that will be required for commercial lights or even to go to work. speaking of which, what will be required for many of you to return to your physical office? joining me now is dr. james canton, renowned global future list, social scientist, ceo, and chairman of the institute for global futures. doctor, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for inviting me. >> laura: now, you study this stuff for a living, which is pretty cool, and you say that personal -- i guess you call it bio security -- will be the new norm. what does that mean for our everyday lives? >> well, we are going to need to

rebuild trust in the community. you know, who is safe? what does that mean? if i want to go to a concert, i want to play golf, going to go to college, how do i know where i am going is going to be safe? well, that will lead to a whole new era of apps on your phone, wearables, and other kinds of, let's say, digital passports that will communicate "unhealthy." it may be a color code, it may be a sound, but we are going to use this digital technology to empower individuals, know where they go into know what their health status is common to be able to share that with others. >> laura: there is one issue, this issue of immunity passports, dr. anthony fauci -- actually, dr. canton -- address this last month. watch. >> could you imagine a time when americans carry certificates of immunity? >> you know, that's possible. this is something that's being

discussed. i think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances. >> laura: dr. canton, what would this actually entail? because there are all sorts of diseases out there, and we have innate immunity, we have adaptive immunity in our bodies. how many scans, how many tests, to make everyone feel like they are never going to die, how would it work? >> [laughs] well, you are asking the right questions, and nobody knows for sure, but i'm forecasting there will be a digital technology that will be part of your wearable on your watch or on your phone. there will be -- you will upload a test that you got recently up to the cloud, it will verify you, protect your identity, and you will have a color code, will be green for "i'm clear," "i'm safe," "i've been tested," yellow for "i'm not exactly sure," and read, "there is a

problem," so full. privacy on one side, security on the other. this bio security in a new risk landscape, redefine how we congregate, how we come together, how we work, how we play, and how we live. >> laura: wonder if we are going to do this at the border, when people cross into our countries, because we don't do much screaming at all at the border, i know because i've been down there. dr. canton, we are also hearing that police in italy, china, and i guess in dubai, are using these things called smart helmets to scan your temperature when you walk by at the airport, and then business insider is reporting that the helmets can also scan what you describe, the qr code, for personal data, recognize license plates, spot people in the dark, or recognize people using facial recognition technology. could we see something like this here, when we have a constitution and government

can't the privacy of our liberties without narrowly tailored solutions? >> i believe we will. we will see it at the borders. but we will see it at airports. in fact, you might challenge our authorities, whether it's dhs, you know, this whole notion of bio surveillance, many of those technologies exist today, and the ability to be able to, whether it is to determine whether you are protected from remote wireless or from taking a video scan of your face, your temperature, the tension between democracy, which of course is very different from china and dubai and other places where they don't have the same liberties -- >> laura: right. yeah. >> it's going to redefine us, you know, as americans, quite frankly, and we are going to have to come to some settlement on what is permissible and what is not.

>> laura: yeah. >> tough love. >> laura: dr. canton, thank you for coming on tonight. >> nice to see you. thank you very much. >> laura: my final thoughts when we return.

♪ >> laura: so, memorial day weekend is now upon us and i hope you are able to spend some time with family and friends, and yes, do it safely, but think about all those who sacrificed so we have these freedoms that can very easily be taken away from us if we don't remain

vigilant. thanks for watching the special edition of "the ingraham angle." mike emanuel is in for bream. he and the "fox news @ night" team take it all from here. ♪ >> mike: hello, and welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm mike emanuel in washington, in for shannon bream. former vice president joe biden's campaign says he was joking when he told a radio interviewer that african-americans ain't black if they support president trump. the trump campaign hopes to turn this comment into election-year fodder as it pushes back, in the belief that the president can siphon away african-americans fronting biden. african-american support was critical for biden sealing the nomination i will be critical for him to enact the presidency.